On Tue, 31 May 2022 11:52:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:26:57 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> To murder is to murder.
>>>
>>>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>>>
>>> But not because they weren't atheists.
>>
>> So you claim.
>
>So history proves.

No some atheist are just as fanatic about their beliefs as the
theist. That and many are just as much a bunch of idiots. Want proof
go read "alt.atheism".
>
>>>> So much like a theist.
>>>
>>> Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..
>>
>> Atheist States have murdered millions.
>
>Theist states have murdered far more.

That is not the point and thanks for admitting my point.
>
>>>>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> So you claim.
>>>
>>> So we know.
>>>
>>>> Yet look at who and why they murdered.
>>>
>>> When you do that, you discover that those that ended
>>> up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
>>> they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.
>
>> Like the Democrats in the USA or leftist?
>
>The Democrats in the USA or leftists have done nothing of the sort.

Yes they do.
>
>The problem in the USA is morbid obesity, stupid.

That is a problem true.
>
>>>>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>>>>
>>>> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.
>>>
>>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>> This is a subject I do know about.
>
>Bullshit it is. As always you don't have a fucking clue about it.

You've been brainwashed and have shown ignorance to a high degree.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>>>>> pill....
>>>>>
>>>>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>
>> Then did you have a valid point?
>
>Even more pathetic than you usually manage.

Then your answer is NO.
>
>>>> Now that is bullshit.
>>>
>>> Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>>>
>>>>>> I see...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, you never do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK.