On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 03:51:22 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2022 11:52:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:26:57 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> To murder is to murder.
>>>>
>>>>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>>>>
>>>> But not because they weren't atheists.
>>>
>>> So you claim.
>>
>> So history proves.

> No

Fraid so.

> some atheist are just as fanatic about their beliefs as the theist.

But they don't actually kill theists because they are theists.

> That and many are just as much a bunch of idiots. Want proof
> go read "alt.atheism".

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about how
many atheists HAVE KILLED because they are theists.

>>>>> So much like a theist.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like theists murdering other theists in fact..
>>>
>>> Atheist States have murdered millions.
>>
>> Theist states have murdered far more.
>
> That is not the point

Corse it is with your stupid pig ignorant claim
that atheists have killed more than theists.

> and thanks for admitting my point.

You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

So much for your bare faced lie that you are good at what you do.

>>>>>>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you claim.
>>>>
>>>> So we know.
>>>>
>>>>> Yet look at who and why they murdered.
>>>>
>>>> When you do that, you discover that those that ended
>>>> up dead starved to death when the state seized the food
>>>> they produced to feed those who didn't produce food.
>>
>>> Like the Democrats in the USA or leftist?
>>
>> The Democrats in the USA or leftists have done nothing of the sort.
>
> Yes they do.

Bullshit they do.

>> The problem in the USA is morbid obesity, stupid.

> That is a problem true.

That is THE problem with FOOD in the USA, fuckwit.

>>>>>>>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No because they are Child abusers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is far from clear why they are burned.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK You don't seem to know much about religion.
>>>>
>>>> You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>
>>> This is a subject I do know about.
>>
>> Bullshit it is. As always you don't have a fucking clue about it.
>
> You've been brainwashed

Nope, never had anything to do with any brainwashing operation, fuckwit.

> and have shown ignorance to a high degree.

You are projecting, as always.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> salvation…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>>>>>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>>>>>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>>>>>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>>>>>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>>>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>>>>>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception
>>>>>>>>> rule.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK Easy to have a lover, not so easy for his lover to take a
>>>>>>> pill....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because the church doesn't allow that, fuckwit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you are claiming the Church allows them to have lovers?
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>
>>> Then did you have a valid point?
>>
>> Even more pathetic than you usually manage.
>
> Then your answer is NO.

Even more pathetic than you usually manage.

>>>>> Now that is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Having fun thrashing yet another straw man ?
>>>>
>>>>>>> I see...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, you never do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for no one may judge the Pope."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have backed off on that one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The bliss of the elect in heaven would not be perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were able to look across the abyss and enjoy the agonies of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brethren in eternal fire."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Gregory I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quite a while ago now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That bugger was pope between 590 and 640
>>>>>>>>>>>> and no haven't left off the leading 1 by accident.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe these were spoken by a true "Interface for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No such animal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it isn't a Pope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its not that black and white.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your own eye?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So many in organized religions forget this verse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Judge not least you be judged!!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all judge each other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but what I believe is important is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the measure you use, it will be measured to you" To me to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's Salvation or lack or it is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You'll burn, boy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL. You think I will burn and that makes you a theist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a joke, Joyce.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK.