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Bradley K. Sherman wrote

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> | Only Christians need apply? Missouri governor's 'Christian
> | values' statement prompts legal concerns
> | ...
> <https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/only-christians-
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> --bks

Why does he support a fake god and a religon that abuses and rapes little
boys and girls?

Is that the Southern Christian values way?

Abuse of Faith, 20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse
spreads as leaders resist reforms; 'Awful, awful trauma' - Southern
Baptist church members, leaders react to sexual abuse findings

Survivors of clergy sex abuse said Monday that the cover-ups were "just as
bad, if not worse" than the crimes themselves, as the Vatican prepares for
a conference on sex abuse.

Watch clip at link

Abuse of Faith, 20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse
spreads as leaders resist reforms by Robert Downen, Lise Olsen, and John
Tedesco, February 10, 2019, Houston Chronicle

[excellent visuals at link
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-
Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php]

Multimedia by Jon Shapley

First of three parts

Thirty-five years later, Debbie Vasquez's voice trembled as she described
her trauma to a group of Southern Baptist leaders.

She was 14, she said, when she was first molested by her pastor in Sanger,
a tiny prairie town an hour north of Dallas. It was the first of many
assaults that Vasquez said destroyed her teenage years and, at 18, left
her pregnant by the Southern Baptist pastor, a married man more than a
dozen years older.

In June 2008, she paid her way to Indianapolis, where she and others asked
leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention and its 47,000 churches to
track sexual predators and take action against congregations that harbored
or concealed abusers. Vasquez, by then in her 40s, implored them to
consider prevention policies like those adopted by faiths that include the
Catholic Church.

"Listen to what God has to say," she said, according to audio of the
meeting, which she recorded. ". All that evil needs is for good to do
nothing. . Please help me and others that will be hurt."

Days later, Southern Baptist leaders rejected nearly every proposed
reform.

The abusers haven't stopped. They've hurt hundreds more.

In the decade since Vasquez's appeal for help, more than 250 people who
worked or volunteered in Southern Baptist churches have been charged with
sex crimes, an investigation by the Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio
Express-News reveals.

It's not just a recent problem: In all, since 1998, roughly 380 Southern
Baptist church leaders and volunteers have faced allegations of sexual
misconduct, the newspapers found. That includes those who were convicted,
credibly accused and successfully sued, and those who confessed or
resigned. More of them worked in Texas than in any other state.

They left behind more than 700 victims, many of them shunned by their
churches, left to themselves to rebuild their lives. Some were urged to
forgive their abusers or to get abortions.

About 220 offenders have been convicted or took plea deals, and dozens of
cases are pending. They were pastors. Ministers. Youth pastors. Sunday
school teachers. Deacons. Church volunteers.

HOW WE DID THIS STORY:
In 2007, victims of sexual abuse by Southern Baptist pastors requested
creation of a registry containing the names of current and former leaders
of Southern Baptist churches who had been convicted of sex crimes or who
had been credibly accused. That didn't happen; the last time any such list
was made public was by the Baptist General Convention of Texas. It
contained the names of eight sex criminals.

In 2018, as advocates again pressed SBC officials for such a registry,
Houston Chronicle reporters began to search news archives, websites and
databases nationwide to compile an archive of allegations of sexual abuse,
sexual assault and other serious misconduct involving Southern Baptist
pastors and other church officials. We found complaints made against
hundreds of pastors, church officials and volunteers at Southern Baptist
churches nationwide.

We focused our search on the 10 years preceding the victims' first call
for a registry and on the 10-plus years since. And we concentrated on
individuals who had a documented connection to a church listed in an SBC
directory published by a state or national association.

We verified details in hundreds of accounts of abuse by examining federal
and state court databases, prison records and official documents from more
than 20 states and by searching sex offender registries nationwide. In
Texas, we visited more than a dozen county courthouses. We interviewed
district attorneys and police in more than 40 Texas counties. We filed
dozens of public records requests in Texas and nationwide.

Ultimately, we compiled information on 380 credibly accused officials in
Southern Baptist churches, including pastors, deacons, Sunday school
teachers and volunteers.

We verified that about 220 had been convicted of sex crimes or received
deferred prosecutions in plea deals and sent letters to all of them
soliciting their responses to summaries we compiled. We received written
responses from more than 30 and interviewed three in Texas prisons. Of the
220, more than 90 remain in prison and another 100 are still registered
sex offenders.

Find our records that relate to those convicted or forced to register as
sex offenders at HoustonChronicle.com/AbuseofFaith.

Nearly 100 are still held in prisons stretching from Sacramento County,
Calif., to Hillsborough County, Fla., state and federal records show.
Scores of others cut deals and served no time. More than 100 are
registered sex offenders. Some still work in Southern Baptist churches
today.

Journalists in the two newsrooms spent more than six months reviewing
thousands of pages of court, prison and police records and conducting
hundreds of interviews. They built a database of former leaders in
Southern Baptist churches who have been convicted of sex crimes.

The investigation reveals that:

 At least 35 church pastors, employees and volunteers who exhibited
predatory behavior were still able to find jobs at churches during the
past two decades. In some cases, church leaders apparently failed to alert
law enforcement about complaints or to warn other congregations about
allegations of misconduct.

 Several past presidents and prominent leaders of the Southern Baptist
Convention are among those criticized by victims for concealing or
mishandling abuse complaints within their own churches or seminaries.

 Some registered sex offenders returned to the pulpit. Others remain
there, including a Houston preacher who sexually assaulted a teenager and
now is the principal officer of a Houston nonprofit that works with
student organizations, federal records show. Its name: Touching the Future
Today Inc.

 Many of the victims were adolescents who were molested, sent explicit
photos or texts, exposed to pornography, photographed nude, or repeatedly
raped by youth pastors. Some victims as young as 3 were molested or raped
inside pastors' studies and Sunday school classrooms. A few were adults -
women and men who sought pastoral guidance and instead say they were
seduced or sexually assaulted.

Heather Schneider was 14 when she was molested in a choir room at
Houston's Second Baptist Church, according to criminal and civil court
records. Her mother, Gwen Casados, said church leaders waited months to
fire the attacker, who later pleaded no contest. In response to her
lawsuit, church leaders also denied responsibility.

Schneider slit her wrists the day after that attack in 1994, Casados said.
She survived, but she died 14 years later from a drug overdose that her
mother blames on the trauma.

"I never got her back," Casados said.

Others took decades to come forward, and only after their lives had
unraveled. David Pittman was 12, he says, when a youth minister from his
Georgia church first molested him in 1981. Two other former members of the
man's churches said in interviews that they also were abused by him. But
by the time Pittman spoke out in 2006, it was too late to press criminal
charges.

The minister still works at an SBC church.

Pittman won't soon forgive those who have offered prayers but taken no
action. He only recently stopped hating God.

"That is the greatest tragedy of all," he said. "So many people's faith is
murdered. I mean, their faith is slaughtered by these predators."

August "Augie" Boto, interim president of the SBC's Executive Committee,
helped draft the rejection of reform proposals in 2008. In an interview,
he expressed "sorrow" about some of the newspapers' findings but said the
convention's leadership can do only so much to stop sexual abuses.

"It would be sorrow if it were 200 or 600" cases, Boto said. "Sorrow. What
we're talking about is criminal. The fact that criminal activity occurs in
a church context is always the basis of grief. But it's going to happen.
And that statement does not mean that we must be resigned to it."

'A porous sieve'
At the core of Southern Baptist doctrine is local church autonomy, the
idea that each church is independent and self-governing. It's one of the
main reasons that Boto said most of the proposals a decade ago were viewed
as flawed by the executive committee because the committee doesn't have
the authority to force churches to report sexual abuse to a central
registry.

Because of that, Boto said, the committee "realized that lifting up a
model that could not be enforced was an exercise in futility," and so
instead drafted a report that "accepted the existence of the problem
rather than attempting to define its magnitude."

Q&A: Investigation into sexual abuse 'shining the light of day upon
crime,' Southern Baptist leader says

SBC churches and organizations share resources and materials, and together
they fund missionary trips and seminaries. Most pastors are ordained
locally after they've convinced a small group of church elders that
they've been called to service by God. There is no central database that
tracks ordinations, or sexual abuse convictions or allegations.

All of that makes Southern Baptist churches highly susceptible to
predators, says Christa Brown, an activist who wrote a book about being
molested as a child by a pastor at her SBC church in Farmers Branch, a
Dallas suburb.

"It's a perfect profession for a con artist, because all he has to do is
talk a good talk and convince people that he's been called by God, and
bingo, he gets to be a Southern Baptist minister," said Brown, who lives
in Colorado. "Then he can infiltrate the entirety of the SBC, move from
church to church, from state to state, go to bigger churches and more
prominent churches where he has more influence and power, and it all
starts in some small church.

"It's a porous sieve of a denomination."

To try to measure the problem, the newspapers collected and cross-checked
news reports, prison records, court records, sex offender registries and
other documents. Reporters also conducted hundreds of interviews with
victims, church leaders, investigators and offenders.

Several factors make it likely that the abuse is even more widespread than
can be documented: Victims of sexual assault come forward at a low rate;
many cases in churches are handled internally; and many Southern Baptist
churches are in rural communities where media coverage is sparse.

It's clear, however, that SBC leaders have long been aware of the problem.
Bowing to pressure from activists, the Baptist General Convention of
Texas, one of the largest SBC state organizations, in 2007 published a
list of eight sex offenders who had served in Southern Baptist churches in
Texas.

EXPLAINER: What is the Southern Baptist Convention?

Around the same time, the Rev. Thomas Doyle wrote to SBC leaders,
imploring them to act. A priest and former high-ranking lawyer for the
Catholic Church, Doyle in the 1980s was one of the earliest to blow the
whistle on child sexual abuse in the church. But Catholic leaders "lied
about it . covered it up and ignored the victims," said Doyle, now retired
and living in northern Virginia.

Doyle turned to activism because of his experiences, work that brought him
closer to those abused in Southern Baptist churches. Their stories - and
how the SBC handled them - felt hauntingly familiar, he said.

"I saw the same type of behavior going on with the Southern Baptists," he
said.

The responses were predictable, Doyle said. In one, Frank Page, then the
SBC president, wrote that they were "taking this issue seriously" but that
local church autonomy presented "serious limitations." In March, Page
resigned as president and CEO of the SBC's Executive Committee for "a
morally inappropriate relationship in the recent past," according to the
executive committee.

Details have not been disclosed, but SBC officials said they had "no
reason to suspect any legal impropriety." Page declined to be interviewed.

Other leaders have acknowledged that Baptist churches are troubled by
predators but that they could not interfere in local church affairs. Even
so, the SBC has ended its affiliation with at least four churches in the
past 10 years for affirming or endorsing homosexual behavior. The SBC
governing documents ban gay or female pastors, but they do not outlaw
convicted sex offenders from working in churches.

In one email to Debbie Vasquez, Augie Boto assured her that "no Baptist I
know of is pretending that 'the problem does not exist.'"

"There is no question that some Southern Baptist ministers have done
criminal things, including sexual abuse of children," he wrote in a May
2007 email. "It is a sad and tragic truth. Hopefully, the harm emanating
from such occurrences will cause the local churches to be more
aggressively vigilant."

Offenders return to preach
The SBC Executive Committee also wrote in 2008 that it "would certainly be
justified" to end affiliations with churches that "intentionally employed
a known sexual offender or knowingly placed one in a position of
leadership over children or other vulnerable participants in its
ministries."

Current SBC President J.D. Greear reaffirmed that stance in an email to
the Chronicle, writing that any church that "proves a pattern of sinful
neglect - regarding abuse or any other matter - should absolutely be
removed from fellowship from the broader denomination."

"The Bible calls for pastors to be people of integrity, known for their
self-control and kindness," Greear wrote. "A convicted sex offender would
certainly not meet those qualifications. Churches that ignore that are out
of line with both Scripture and Baptist principles of cooperation."

But the newspapers found at least 10 SBC churches that welcomed pastors,
ministers and volunteers since 1998 who had previously faced charges of
sexual misconduct. In some cases, they were registered sex offenders.

SEARCH OUR DATABASE: We found 220 Southern Baptist church officials who
were convicted or pleaded guilty

In Illinois, Leslie Mason returned to the pulpit a few years after he was
convicted in 2003 on two counts of criminal sexual assault. Mason had been
a rising star in local Southern Baptist circles until the charges were
publicized by Michael Leathers, who was then editor of the state's Baptist
newspaper.

Letters from angry readers poured in. Among those upset by Leathers'
decision to publish the story was Glenn Akins, the interim executive
director of the Illinois Baptist State Association.

"To have singled Les out in such a sensationalistic manner ignores many
others who have done the same thing," Akins wrote in a memo, a copy of
which Leathers provided. "You could have asked nearly any staff member and
gotten the names of several other prominent churches where the same sort
of sexual misconduct has occurred recently in our state."

Akins, now the assistant executive director of the Baptist General
Association of Virginia, declined an interview request.

Leathers resigned after state Baptist convention leaders told him he might
be fired and lose his severance pay, he said. Mason, meanwhile, admitted
to investigators that he had relationships with four different girls,
records show.

Mason received a seven-year prison sentence under a plea deal in which
investigators dropped all but two of his charges. After his release, he
returned to the pulpit of a different SBC church a few miles away.

"That just appalled me," Leathers said. "They had to have known they put a
convicted sex offender behind the pulpit. . If a church calls a woman to
pastor their church, there are a lot of Southern Baptist organizations
that, sadly, would disassociate with them immediately. Why wouldn't they
do the same for convicted sex offenders?"

Mason has since preached at multiple SBC churches in central Illinois. He
said in an interview that those churches "absolutely know about my past,"
and said churches and other institutions need "to be better at handling"
sexual abuse.

Mason said that "nobody is above reproach in all things" and that church
leaders - particularly those who work with children - "desperately need
accountability."

In Houston, Michael Lee Jones started a Southern Baptist church, Cathedral
of Faith, after his 1998 conviction for having sex with a teenage female
congregant at a different SBC church nearby. Jones, also leader of a
nonprofit called Touching the Future Today, was included on the list of
convicted ministers released by the Baptist General Convention of Texas a
decade ago.

In December, Cathedral of Faith celebrated its 20th anniversary at a
downtown Houston hotel, according to the church's website. A flyer for the
event touted sermons from Jones, another pastor and Joseph S. Ratliff, the
longtime pastor of Houston's Brentwood Baptist Church.

Ratliff was sued in 2003 for sexual misconduct with a man he was
counseling. The lawsuit was settled and dismissed by agreement of the
parties, according to Harris County court records and interviews.
The settlement is subject to a confidentiality agreement.

Ratliff has been sued two other times, one involving another person who
had come in for counseling; the other involved his handling of allegations
against another church official, Harris County records show. The
disposition of those two cases was not available.

Jones, Ratliff and Ratliff's attorney did not respond to requests for
comment.

'A known problem'
Wade Burleson, a former president of Oklahoma's Southern Baptist
convention, says it has long been clear that Southern Baptist churches
face a crisis. In 2007 and 2018, he asked SBC leaders to study sexual
abuse in churches and bring prevention measures to a vote at the SBC's
annual meeting.

Leaders pushed back both times, he said. Some cited local church autonomy;
others feared lawsuits if the reforms didn't prevent abuse.

Burleson couldn't help but wonder if there have been "ulterior motives" at
play.

"There's a known problem, but it's too messy to deal with," he said in a
recent interview. "It's not that we can't do it as much as we don't want
to do it. . To me, that's a problem. You must want to do it, to do it."

Doyle, the Catholic whistleblower, was similarly suspicious, if more
blunt: "I understand the fear, because it's going to make the leadership
look bad," he said. "Well, they are bad, and they should look bad. Because
they have ignored this issue. They have demonized the victims."

Several Southern Baptist leaders and their churches have been criticized
for ignoring the abused or covering for alleged predators, including at
Houston's Second Baptist, where former SBC President Ed Young has been
pastor since 1978. Young built the church into one of the largest and most
important in the SBC; today, it counts more than 60,000 members who attend
at multiple campuses.

Before she was molested in the choir room at Second Baptist in 1994,
Heather Schneider filled a black notebook with poems. The seventh-grader,
with long white-blond hair and sparkling green eyes, had begun to work as
a model. She soon attracted attention from John Forse, who coordinated
church pageants and programs at Second Baptist.

He also used his position to recruit girls for private acting lessons,
according to Harris County court documents.

A day after she was attacked, Schneider told her mother, Casados, that
Forse had touched her inappropriately and tried to force her to do
"horrendous things." Casados called police.

Casados, who was raised a Baptist, said she received a call from Young,
who initially offered to do whatever he could to help her daughter. But
after she told Young she already had called police, he hung up and "we
never heard from him again," she said in an interview.

It took months - and the threat of criminal charges - before Forse left
his position at the church, according to statements made by Forse's
attorney at the time and Schneider's responses to questions in a related
civil lawsuit.

In August 1994, Forse received deferred adjudication and 10 years'
probation after pleading no contest to two counts of indecency with a
child by contact. He remains a registered sex offender and was later
convicted of a pornography charge. He is listed in the sex offender
registry as transient; he could not be reached for comment.

Church officials declined interview requests. In a statement to the
Chronicle, Second Baptist stated that it takes "allegations of sexual
misconduct or abuse very seriously and constantly strives to provide and
maintain a safe, Christian environment for all employees, church members
and guests."

IN THEIR WORDS: Victims, families and law enforcement explain the
devastation that occurs when a child is abused by a religious leader

The church declined to release its employment policies but described Forse
as a "short-term contract worker" when he was accused of sex abuse. "After
Second Baptist became aware of the allegations made against Forse his
contract was terminated," the statement says. "Upon notification, Second
Baptist Church cooperated fully with law enforcement in this matter."

Schneider's parents filed a civil lawsuit against the church, Forse and a
modeling agency. The case against the church was dismissed; its lawyers
argued that Forse was not acting as a church employee. Second Baptist was
not part of an eventual settlement.

In 1992, before Schneider was molested, a lawyer for the Southern Baptist
Convention wrote in a court filing that the SBC did not distribute
instructions to its member churches on handling sexual abuse claims. He
said Second Baptist had no written procedures on the topic.

The lawyer, Neil Martin, was writing in response to a lawsuit that accused
First Baptist Church of Conroe of continuing to employ Riley Edward Cox
Jr. as a youth pastor after a family said that he had molested their
child. In a court filing, Cox admitted to molesting three boys in the late
1980s.

Young, SBC president at the time of the lawsuit, was asked to outline the
organization's policies on child sexual abuse as part of the lawsuit. He
declined to testify, citing "local church autonomy" and saying in an
affidavit that he had "no educational training in the area of sexual abuse
or the investigation of sexual abuse claims."

Young also said he feared testifying could jeopardize his blossoming TV
ministry.

Leaders of Second Baptist have been similarly reluctant to release or
discuss their policies on sexual abuse in response to two other civil
lawsuits related to sexual assault claims filed in the last five years,
court records show. Those suits accuse the church of ignoring or
concealing abuses committed by youth pastor Chad Foster, who was later
convicted.

Another civil lawsuit asserted that Second Baptist helped conceal alleged
rapes by Paul Pressler, a former Texas state judge and former SBC vice
president. In that suit, brought by a member of Pressler's youth group,
three other men have said in affidavits that Pressler groped them or tried
to pressure them into sex. Second Baptist, however, has been dismissed
from the suit, and the plaintiff's sexual abuse claims against Pressler
have been dismissed because the statute of limitations had expired.

Pressler has been a prominent member of Second Baptist for much of his
adult life.

In its statement to the Chronicle, Second Baptist said "our policy and
practice have been and will continue to be that any complaint of sexual
misconduct will be heard, investigated and handled in a lawful and
appropriate way. Reports of sexual abuse are immediately reported to law
enforcement officials as required by law."

'Break her down'
Another defendant in the lawsuit against Pressler: Paige Patterson, a
former SBC president who, with Pressler, pushed the convention in the
1980s and 1990s to adopt literal interpretations of the Bible.

In May of last year, Patterson was ousted as president of Southwestern
Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth after he said he wanted to meet
alone with a female student who said she was raped so he could "break her
down," according to a statement from seminary trustees.

But his handling of sexual abuse dates back decades. Several women have
said that Patterson ignored their claims that his ex-prot�g�, Darrell
Gilyard, assaulted them at Texas churches in the 1980s; some of those
allegations were detailed in a 1991 Dallas Morning News article.

The Gilyard case bothered Debbie Vasquez. She feared other victims had
been ignored or left to handle their trauma alone.

When Vasquez became pregnant, she said, leaders of her church forced her
to stand in front of the congregation and ask for forgiveness without
saying who had fathered the child.

She said church members were generally supportive but were never told the
child was their pastor's. Church leadership shunned her, asked her to get
an abortion and, when she said no, threatened her and her child, she said.
She moved abroad soon after.

Vasquez sued her former pastor and his church in 2006. In a deposition,
the pastor, Dale "Dickie" Amyx, admitted to having sex with her when she
was a teenager, though he maintained that it was consensual. He
acknowledged paternity of her child but was never charged with any crime.
Amyx was listed as the church's pastor as late as 2016, state Baptist
records show. He could not be reached for comment.

Amyx denies that he threatened or physically assaulted Vasquez. He and his
employer at the time of the lawsuit - an SBC church Vasquez never attended
- argued that Vasquez exaggerated her story in an attempt to get publicity
for her fight for reforms, court records show.

Amyx wrote an apology letter that Vasquez provided to the newspapers; her
lawsuit was eventually dismissed, but she continued pressing SBC leaders,
including Patterson, to act. In one series of emails, she asked Patterson
why leaders didn't intervene in cases such as Gilyard's.

Patterson responded forcefully, writing in 2008 that he "forced Gilyard to
resign his church" and "called pastors all over the USA and since that day
(Gilyard) has never preached for any Southern Baptist organization."

In fact, Gilyard preached after his Texas ouster at various churches,
including Jacksonville's First Baptist Church, which was led by former SBC
President Jerry Vines. It was there that Tiffany Thigpen said she met
Gilyard, who she said later "viciously" attacked her.

Thigpen, who was 18 at the time, said that Vines tried to shame her into
silence after she disclosed the abuse to him. "How embarrassing this will
be for you," she recalled Vines telling her. As far as Thigpen knows,
police were never notified.

Gilyard was convicted in 2009 of lewd and lascivious molestation of two
other teenage girls, both under 16, while pastoring a Florida church. He
found work at an SBC church after his three-year prison sentence,
prompting the local Southern Baptist association to end its affiliation.

Neither Vasquez nor Thigpen have forgiven SBC leaders for their inaction.

Vasquez: "They made excuses and did nothing."

Thigpen said of Vines in a recent interview: "You left this little sheep
to get hurt and then you protected yourself. And I hope when you lay your
head on your pillow you think of every girl (Gilyard) hurt and life he
ruined. And I hope you can't sleep."

Patterson and Vines did not respond to requests for comment. Heath
Lambert, now senior pastor at First Baptist in Jacksonville, said in a
statement that "we decry any act of violence or abuse."

'Lethal' abuse
Defensive responses from church leaders rank among the worst things the
abused can endure, says Harvey Rosenstock, a Houston psychiatrist who has
worked for decades with victims and perpetrators of clergy sexual abuse.
They can rewire a developing brain to forever associate faith or authority
with trauma or betrayal, he says.

"If someone is identified as a man of God, then there are no holds
barred," he said. "Your defense system is completely paralyzed. This man
is speaking with the voice of God. . So a person who is not only an
authority figure, but God's servant, is telling you this is between us,
this is a special relationship, this has been sanctioned by the Lord. That
allows a young victim to have almost zero defenses. Totally vulnerable."

Rosenstock is among a growing number of expert clinicians who advocate for
changes in statute of limitations laws in sexual abuse cases. They cite
decades of neuroscience to show that those abused as children -
particularly by clergy - can develop a sort of Stockholm syndrome that
prevents them for decades from recognizing themselves as victims.

Such was the case for most of David Pittman's life.

"Cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine - whatever would quiet my mind and
diminish what I was feeling, because I wanted to be numb," he said. "I
didn't want to feel any of it."

An athletic child with an incarcerated father, Pittman said he had dreamed
about joining the youth group at his church near Atlanta since he was
baptized there at age 8.

There, he could play any sport he wanted, and at 12 he found in the youth
pastor a much-sought father figure. The grooming started almost
immediately, he said: front-seat rides in the youth pastor's Camaro; trips
to see the Doobie Brothers and Kansas in concert; and, eventually,
sleepovers during which Pittman said he was first molested. Pittman said
the assaults continued until he turned 15 and the youth pastor quietly
moved to a new church nearby.

"For the longest time, I wouldn't even admit to myself that it happened,"
he said.

Three decades later, in 2006, Pittman learned that his alleged abuser was
working as a youth minister in Georgia. Though Georgia's statute of
limitations had by then elapsed, Pittman and others came forward with
allegations.

Like Pittman, Ray Harrell grew up without a male figure in his life. His
father left early, he said, and his mother later "threw herself" into the
church. Eventually the youth minister started babysitting Harrell, then a
pre-teen. Harrell still remembers the minister's stuffed monkey, which was
used to "break the ice," he said.

"This is a youth minister and the only male influence in my life and so I
never thought anything about it," Harrell said in an interview. "And when
the abuse started.. I knew it was wrong, but this is somebody I was
supposed to believe in, to look up to, who was in the church."

Pittman reached out to the church's lead pastor and chairman of the
church's deacons.

The deacon said in an interview that he confronted the youth minister and
"asked him if there had ever been anything in his past and he acknowledged
that there had been." The minister also told the deacon that he had gotten
"discreet" counseling, the deacon said.

The youth minister resigned, after which the deacon and others began
looking through a Myspace account that he had while employed at the
church. On it, the deacon found messages "that the police should have," he
said.

The deacon said he provided the Georgia State Baptist Convention with
evidence that the youth minister should be barred from working in
churches.

The youth minister who Pittman and Harrell say abused them still works at
an SBC church in Georgia. The church's lead pastor declined to say if he
was ever made aware of the allegations, though Pittman provided emails
that show he reached out to the pastor repeatedly.

The youth minister did not return phone calls. Reached by email, he
declined to be interviewed. The newspapers are not identifying him because
he has not been charged.

Anne Marie Miller says she, too, has been denied justice. In July, Mark
Aderholt, a former employee of the South Carolina Baptist Convention and a
former missionary, was charged in Tarrant County with sexually assaulting
Miller in the late 1990s, when she was a teenager. Texas eliminated its
statute of limitations for most sex crimes against children in 2007.

In 2007, Miller told the SBC's International Mission Board about Aderholt
after he was hired there, prompting an internal investigation that
officials said supported her story. Aderholt resigned and worked at SBC
churches in Arkansas before moving to South Carolina, where he worked for
the state's Baptist convention.

Miller, meanwhile, was told to "let it go" when she asked mission board
officials about the investigation.

'Well, they are bad, and they should look bad. Because they have ignored
this issue.'

the Rev. Thomas Doyle, who has urged SBC leaders to act on sexual abuse

"Forgiveness is up to you alone," general counsel Derek Gaubatz wrote in
one 2007 email. "It involves a decision by you to forgive the other person
of the wrongs done to you, just as Christ has forgiven you."

After Aderholt's arrest, a mission board spokeswoman said it did not
notify his future SBC employers about the allegations in 2007 because of
local church autonomy. The board also said that Miller at the time did not
want to talk with police. She says that was because she was still
traumatized.

The charges against Aderholt are pending.

Miller, 38, lives in the Fort Worth area. She says she has received
support from Greear, the new SBC president. But she's skeptical that the
SBC will act decisively.

"I was really, really hopeful that it was a turning point, but I've been
disappointed that there hasn't been any meaningful action other than
forming committees and assigning budgets, which is just good old Baptist
red tape," Miller said. "That's just what you do - you form a committee,
and you put some money towards it and no change actually happens."

The election last year of Greear, the 45-year-old pastor of The Summit
Church in Durham, N.C., was seen as a signal that the SBC was moving away
from more rigid conservative leaders such as Patterson. Greear has
launched a group that is studying sexual abuse at the request of Burleson
and others.

Unlike in 2008, Burleson last year directed his request for a sex offender
registry to the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which does moral
advocacy on behalf of the Southern Baptist Convention. For the first time,
the study of his proposal has been funded.

But Greear said in an email that he is limited by local church autonomy.

"Change has to begin at the ground level with churches and
organizations,"
he wrote. "Our churches must start standing together with a commitment to
take this issue much more seriously than ever before."

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