On 12/14/2022 12:18 PM, bfh wrote:
> film...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 9:16:43 PM UTC-8, bfh wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of jokes. Even if they did this they don't have
>>>> anywhere to put those people or staff to take care of them. The
>>>> state's mental health system is already overloaded. No one has
>>>> even looked at the price tag for this yet. Our judicial system
>>>> is looking at the problem. They figure it will take two years
>>>> to come up with an answer for the legal issues. I think that's
>>>> probably very optimistic. They might have figured out an answer
>>>> for the financial issues by than, but I doubt that too.
>>>>
>>>> "Portland mayor suggests easing process to involuntarily commit
>>>> people with mental health struggles"
>>>>
>>>> "Oregon has long made it difficult to force people to get
>>>> mental health treatment. But as homelessness worsens, there are
>>>> growing calls to loosen those laws.
>>>>
>>>> Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler wants it to be easier to force
>>>> people living on the streets into hospitals — even if
>>>> they have not committed a crime.
>>>>
>>>> “When I see people walking through the elements without
>>>> appropriate attire, often naked, they are freezing to death,
>>>> they are exposed to the elements … I don’t even
>>>> know if they know where they are or who they are,†Wheeler
>>>> told a room full of business owners recently, “They need
>>>> help and they need compassion.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler’s comments came at a meeting to discuss crime
>>>> in Portland’s Central Eastside. The mayor held the forum
>>>> after the owner of Portland’s well-known ice cream brand
>>>> Salt & Straw threatened to leave the city and amid his own
>>>> effort to get tougher on public camping. He was asked directly
>>>> at the forum whether he would support hospitalizing more people
>>>> involuntarily.
>>>>
>>>> Wheeler prepped the audience, saying he would be
>>>> “resoundingly excoriated†for his comments."â€
>>>>
>>>> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/12/12/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-suggests-easing-process-involuntarily-commit-mentally-ill/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> "Oregon's process for forced mental health treatment could eventually
>>>> see changes
>>>>
>>>> With rising pressure to improve care for people with mental
>>>> illness who deny treatment, a mixed group of state leaders are
>>>> looking at changing state laws.
>>>>
>>>> PORTLAND, Ore. — A group of Oregon leaders — from
>>>> judges to doctors to mental health experts — are working
>>>> to overhaul state standards for civil commitment and forced
>>>> mental health care amid calls for change.
>>>>
>>>> The Oregon Judicial Department convened the group of 21
>>>> panelists, called the "Commitment to Change Workgroup." It
>>>> started meeting this fall, and the panelists plan to meet each
>>>> month for the next two years.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/uncommitted-oregon-mental-illness-forced-care-changes/283-04d59004-91f3-45ba-901a-aad8c64a9762
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> Get a load of this list:
>>>>
>>>> Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination PROGRAMS
>>>> AND COMMITTEES Behavioral Health/Justice System
>>>> Leadership Coordination
>>>>
>>>> The Behavioral Health/Justice System Leadership Coordination
>>>> Committee is hosted by the Oregon Judicial Department and
>>>> brings together the leaders of multi-stakeholder committees,
>>>> councils, and workgroups working on issues at the intersection
>>>> of Oregon’s behavioral health and justice systems to
>>>> ensure collaboration and consistency of statewide efforts.
>>>>
>>>> Current Member Groups Visit our Member Group Page for more
>>>> information on each group listed below.
>>>>
>>>> Senate Committee on Human Service, Mental Health and Recovery Senate
>>>> Committee on Judiciary and Ballot Measure 110 House
>>>> Committee on Behavioral Health Governor’s Behavioral
>>>> Health Committees Chief Justice’s Behavioral Health
>>>> Advisory Committee IMPACTS Grant Program Legislative Workgroup
>>>> to Decriminalize Mental Illness Legislative Workgroup on Ballot
>>>> Measure 110 Measure 110 Oversight and Accountability Council 988
>>>> Crisis Line Implementation Workgroup GAINS Regional
>>>> Behavioral Health Resource Centers Workgroup SB 24
>>>> Implementation Workgroup Psychiatric Security Review Board
>>>> Workgroup Oregon Center on Behavioral Health and Justice
>>>> Integration Steering Committee Forensic Evaluation
>>>> Certification Workgroup Behavioral Health Emergency
>>>> Coordination Network (BHECN)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/BHLeadership/Pages/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> TB
>>>>
>>> Well, damn. With all those ballot measures, committees,
>>> workgroups, and councils all laser-focused on 'doing something' -
>>> with no doubt each bunch consisting of Experts in their fields -
>>> y'all should literally have some efficacious solutions by the end
>>> of the week going forward.
>>>
>>> And so, look, in that context, I allege that I think I see a
>>> broad-based windfall in y'all's future out there. Once the
>>> fascists hidden among you get the legal authority to start
>>> involuntarily committing people to 'health care facilities' for
>>> their own good, all sorts of new opportunities will open up for
>>> lawyers, medical professionals, health care specialists, social
>>> workers, building construction workers, admin people, cooks,
>>> janitorial services, plumbers, electricians, burly drivers to
>>> compassionately pluck 'em off the streets, and who knows who
>>> else. You might even be able to cadge a bunch of money from Build
>>> Back Better and not have to raise taxes (you might also be able
>>> to divert some of that money to build that bridge). You could
>>> also end up with the lowest unemployment in the whole nation.
>>>
>>> And a word of unsolicited advice: When y'all start promoting all
>>> those solutions that I'm confident that you'll develop, don't
>>> forget to insert "humanitarian crisis" and "Number One Priority"
>>> in every paragraph that can reasonably hold one or both. Lotta
>>> power and inherent momentum in those phrases, you know.
>>>
>>> -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>>
>> I can see it all now so clearly...  Eventually it will be a "closed
>> system",  where part of the population will have "control" over
>> those who don't act the correct way...   HawHawHaw!
>>
>> Ed Koch
>
> At the end of the day going forward, I think you literally may be right.
> That's pretty much the end result of "involuntary commitment". Then
> there's NYC - but not currently Ed Koch - that wants to give this
> authority to social workers, hospitals, and first responders.
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> The mayor’s directive marks the latest attempt to ease a crisis decades
> in the making. It would give outreach workers, city hospitals and first
> responders, including police, discretion to involuntarily hospitalize
> anyone they deem a danger to themselves or unable to care for themselves.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/new-york-city-mentally-ill-hospitalization/507-6d76b220-1bd8-4634-8ded-4c6723de175e
>
> Read the above again, look up the definition of "deem", and consider
> who's authorized to do the deeming of "danger to themselves".
>

"...latest attempt to ease a crisis decades in the making" What you
people need are some good tea leaf readers. Apparently in those
"decades" of democrat leaders, none had any foresight. Stevie Wonder
could see the effects of a snowball going downhill.
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In view of recent elections, it seems liberal voters have become
afflicted with Stockholm Syndrome.