On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 20:25:53 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:08:17 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 12:22:58 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ### - ain't expressing any personal opinion here, this topical headline
>>> is
>>> in all the media + you're perhaps missing the point of it being yet
>>> another 'escalation' re those very SAME missiles being sent by slovakia:
>>> last week!
>>>
>>> the update to that being that russia obviously DID track them coming
>>> across the border/knew where they were being stored and blew the shit
>>> outta them just as they threatened they would! (half a billion bucks
>>> worth
>>> up in smoke?? geez someone's gonna be pretty damn pissed about that!)
>>>
>>> that's what's HAPPENING is that it's obviously getting a little
>>> worse/more
>>> confrontational each & every damn day!
>>>
>>> and... is just about to get a whole lot fucking WORSE!!!
>>>
>>> or haven't you been following events as they've unfolded?? (damn it man
>>> we're right on the brink by now!)
>>>
>>> now if you 'want' my opinion (for all that's worth heh) i'd have to
>>> say/suggest that at the rate things are going direct conflict looks
>>> loomingly inevitable?
>>>
>>> that unless they all start 'talking' instead of just increasingly
>>> threatening each other, then things are likely to only go one way!
>>>
>>> and that's very badly indeed!
>>>
>>> and so far haven't seen 'anything' to alter that!
>>>
>>> (will be straight on it if there is lol! in big fucking capital letters!
>>>
>>> WAR OVER! WORLD SAVED!!! YAY WITH FUCKING BELLS ON!)
>>
>> You're missing the point. In times like this, when a world power is
>> trying to destroy a neighbouring smaller power which is one of the
>> major granaries of the world, and that small power is fighting back
>> for its very survival, you cannot LIVE in one world and SUPPORT the
>> other.
>>
>> You need to pick a side and stick with it. I happen to like our way
>> of life, our democracy, our civilised values, our running clean water,
>> our freedom. I've picked a side, for what it's worth.
>>
>> You seem to want to enjoy the priveliges of freedom and living in one
>> of the world's best societies yet, it seems to me at least, you
>> support the aggressor here - the Russians.
>
>### - let's get something straight ok? am NOT on the side of the russians!
>never was or will be!

I'm glad to see that. I was under a misapprehension then.

>
>but then neither am i on the side of the west in this either!

I'm also sorry to hear that. As Jim Morrison said (sarc button was
on)... "the West is the Best".
>
>rather: am STILL in the SAME intellectual + clearly OBJECTIVE position you
>ALSO managed to reach/touch-upon just the other day but have apparently
>since slipped back from/forgotten in your descent back into mere
>unthinking flag-waving again...

No I hate the Russians independently of Ukraine - they shot down MH17
with Aussie ma's, pa's and kids in it.

Remember?

>
>e.g., at the time (after your brief bout with paranoia) you posted this
>quite good + fairly objective analysis re russia WITHOUT it EVER even ONCE
>implying that you're somehow supporting them OR their ideology!

You managed to insult me there, sort of subtlety...

>
>https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494?piano_t=1
>
>your comment about it being: "Exceptionally well thought out article. If
>anyone here still has the
>ability to focus for a reasonable time, well worth the investment in
>cognition and time."

Yep, good to see you read it. I can see Russia's perspective, but in
the Cold War, their Union was surrounded in Europe by no less than 700
NATO bases. There are miuch, much fewer nowdays, and as Brezhnev et
al managed to suppress the desire to fire test ICBM's, attack smaller
neighbours and so on, Putin has no fucking RIGHT to do what he has
done.

There are kids now who are double amputees who would have both their
sets of limbs if that cunt PUTLER hadn't invaded and attacked.

>
>my suggestion is to thus STICK with such critically objective thinking,
>actively apply it to BOTH sides in ANY & EVERY matter, and chuck all the
>flag-waving bs that people are wont to hide behind for a lack of any
>original ideas/observations of their own...
>
Sure. I do that in any case. Just because we don't agree doesn't
mean that I need to adhere to anything but logic and reason.
>
>
>
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>> You're not as overt about it as that nutcase Arthur, who stupidly
>> flaunts it and isn't trolling, he means it - and I hope I'm wrong
>> about you. But, in picking the side you do finally pick, you
>> shouldn't then criticise the side you pick. And you should have the
>> courage of your conviction.

Well you have his address and phone number. Give him a call and
discuss the time of day with him. In my books, he's a disgruntled
senior citizen who has a beef with the American government because he
doesn't receive what he thinks the American government owes him by way
of pensions or whatever they call it over there.

On top of that, he's clearly fruity and sufferiing some degenerative
cognitive issue probably due to inactivity, lack of cognitive exercise
and age combined with a bad diet, lack of a partner and diagnosed
mental illness.

So I forgive him for being a traitor to his country and democracy and
all that.

>
>### - am critical of BOTH sides because afaic BOTH parties are equally
>responsible for bringing the world, yet AGAIN, to the very brink of utter
>fucking destruction!!! proof enough afaic that they're agendas are BOTH
>completely insane! that there's OBVIOUSLY something wrong with BOTH of
>their crappy ways! (they both have good bits too, bits i like, but the bad
>clearly outweighs the good every time)
>
>
>
>
>
>> Don't be an "Arthur". Be your own man. Take a position. Come down
>> off the fence.

Yep he shits me too. If he wants to support Putler and his minions
and wants to stab the West in the back, do it in Russia. I'm sure he
can fly to Poland or Estonia or Rumania and find his way to Russia
from there. Fuck off, in other words.

>
>### - ffs leave lowrider out of it + quit picking on people just to ease
>your own existential angst, he's an outsider too and surely hates the miss
>ratchets of this world as much as anyone does... obviously he doesn't
>agree/approve of everything his government has ever done, and i don't
>blame him either, US foreign policy personally scares the crap outta me
>too!
>
>anyway, did the above a long-long time ago now: completely saw through all
>their crap and decided i don't want anything more to do with ANY of 'em,
>went solo... being born in what is ostensibly a societal madhouse doesn't
>mean i automatically support all their shit, and would escape from it
>altogether if there was anywhere to actually go that wasn't even
>worse/more primitive...
>
>unfortunately this is all there is... there's just nowhere else to go
>(except onto death maybe at some point anyway for sure, so why rush it)
>thus i remain here living as simply and as unobtrusively as i possibly
>can, fully aware that ALL this is only very temporary indeed, far too
>temporary to ever get too involved with anything (although have had a few
>moments too along the way heh, good moments) and which, at my age, is
>clearly also slowly drawing to its inevitable end...
>
>inevitable... there's just no escaping the dreadful implications of such a
>terrifying term huh, it rolls around inside one's head resounding/tolling
>like a bell... until any moment now it's inevitably gonna be: come in
>number 96 (or whatever) your time is finally up!
>
>imho this is 'awake' as it's possible to be without becoming morbidly
>obsessed about it, one laffs in the face of inevitable death, life thus
>becoming a living tightrope of all the things one can spent precious
>irreplaceable time obtaining versus the futility of even bothering with
>any of it heh = clarity/lucidity/sobriety, conscious choice + that of
>never falling back into confusion again...
>
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>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:00:53 +0100, o'Mahoney
>>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slider you really are skating on thin ice with this shite.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 12:21:59 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Russia says it had destroyed anti-aircraft missile systems supplied to
>>>>> Ukraine by a European state, without specifying which country provided
>>>>> the
>>>>> equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Defence Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said on
>>>>> Monday
>>>>> Russian Kalibr missiles destroyed on Sunday four S-300 launchers
>>>>> concealed
>>>>> in a hangar on the outskirts of the central-eastern Ukrainian city of
>>>>> Dnipro, hitting 25 Ukrainian soldiers in the attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Russian defence ministry said its forces targeted missile defence
>>>>> systems in three different locations in recent days. They also shot
>>>>> down
>>>>> two Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft near the city of Izyum and destroyed two
>>>>> ammunition depots, one of which was near the southern city of
>>>>> Mykolaiv,
>>>>> it
>>>>> added.
>>>>>
>>>>> The United States on Friday said it had sent a Patriot missile defence
>>>>> system to Slovakia to replace the S-300 air defence systems sent to
>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Now is no time for complacency,” US President Joe Biden said when
>>>>> announcing the Patriot transfer. “As the Russian military repositions
>>>>> for
>>>>> the next phase of this war, I have directed my administration to
>>>>> continue
>>>>> to spare no effort to identify and provide to the Ukrainian military
>>>>> the
>>>>> advanced weapons capabilities it needs to defend its country.”
>>>>>
>>>>> US Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said the system, as well as a team
>>>>> of
>>>>> US
>>>>> soldiers to operate it, will arrive in Slovakia in the coming days and
>>>>> remain there for an undefined duration.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/11/russia-strikes-s-300-missile-systems-given-to-ukraine-by-eu-state