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Subject: Re: Dziadek Biden idzie na wojne z Rosja?
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 by: Basia - Tue, 3 May 2022 03:30 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:03:37 PM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:54:21 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:40:27 AM UTC-7, Piotr wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:18:16 PM UTC-2:30, Basia wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr. Piotr Trela, who is likely a former member
> > > > of the Polish Communist Secutrity forces,
> > > > SB (Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa), possibly an
> > > > active member of other such agency
> > >
> > > Would you mind signing your allegations with your true name, Mr. ... "Basia" ?
> > Please ask here: e-mail: dr.cies...@gmail.com.
> > Basia (Ona/Jej)
>
> Since in your public insinuations you use my full name, your refusal to sign your allegation with your true name, and hiding instead behind a fake persona, tells all about you and about the value
> of your accusations.
>
> But your safety in anonymity maybe illusory - if somebody considered it worthy - it would be very easy for any defamation lawyer to find the owner of the "Basia" account.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-zwolan-b5698b8/ ?
>
> ==
> Piotr Trela

Threats of lawsuits? You are kidding me,
right Mr.Trela.

Honestly, I have no clue whether you have
ever been an informant, a member of the
SB or any similar organization, or whether
you have co-operated with such or not.

However, your personal history and professional
presence in heavily SB penetrated environments
suggests a possibility.

A very well established pattern of distortive,
highly manipulative and at times extremely
evasive discourse (example: inability to recall
date of arrival in Canada) adds to the perceived
likelihood.

Polish authorities suggest the existence
of several thousand former SB informants
in today’s academic circles in Poland,
where Piotr Trela during the period
of communist Martial Law, or shortly
thereafter, has started his professional
career.

A compilation of publicly accessible
information about Piotr has been made
available to readers of soc.culture.polish
to help form a personal opinion about
him. A translation is up-coming as Piotr
has decided, during armed conflict with
Russia and for unknown reasons, to
converse also in the English language.

Mr. Piotr Trela, has been for years
involved in intensive 'oversight' of
the Polish newsgroup soc.culture.polish.
He has routinely engaged in various
textual manipulations and misquotations.
citing words of various group members
completely out of their proper context
and propagating them in an effort to
smear, discredit and defame.

In response to Piotr Trela’s continued
mischaracterizations and insults, in both
Polish and recently English languages,
I am providing some background information
about this individual:

1. Piotr od malego dziecka byl wychowankiem
ideologicznych komunistow Jaskotow.

Piotr Trela:
“Pania Jaskot znalem jako 7-latek”

2. Kazimierz Jaskot, czlonek KC PZPR
byl rektorem Czerwonego Uniwersytetu
kompletnie spenetrowanego przez SB'ecje
gdzie donosicielstwo i szykany oraz
wyrzucanie ze studiow byly codziennoscia.

Koniec Szkoly Serwilizmu str.5
http://ksi.home.pl/archiwaprzelomu/obrazy/AP-24-1-3-1_46.pdf

Czasy Mocno Polityczne
https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ks-28-30.01.2011-2..jpg

3. Piotr byl prosperujacym pracownikiem tego
wlasnie SB'eckiego Uniwersytetu i znajdowal
zatrudnienie w Zakladzie Teledetekcji specjalizujacym
sie w przeroznych formach elektronicznego nasluchu.

Piotr Trela: Szczecin University, Zaklad Teledetekcji
http://www.ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Marine%20Science%20Symposia/Phase%202/Rapport%20et%20Proces-Verbaux%20des%20Reunions%20-%20Volume%20188%20-%201989%20-%20Partie%2040%20de%2071.pdf

4. Gdy Piotr byl jeszcze studentem w Gdansku
jego wspol-lokatorzy w akademickim pokoju
wpadali w rece SB'ecji, pozniej skazywani byli
na wieloletnie wyroki wiezienia.

Piotr Trela:
“…mojego kolegi z ktorym mieszkalem w jednym pokoju w
akademiku i ktory dostal 3 lata za przewozenie paru ulotek (i odsiedzial z
tego 2 lata).

5. Piotr bral udzial w licznych protestach
i zadymach przeciwko komunie, min. w Gdansku,
ale w obliczu milicyjnych lapanek nie uciekal.
Gdzie inni ryzykowali zdrowiem a nawet zyciem
by nie zostac pojmanym przez ZOMO, Piotr
pozostawal w miejscu.

Piotr Trela:
“…mielismy nadzieje, ze ZOMO nie zatrzyma
pociagu by nas wygarnac...pociag zatrzymal sie po ujechaniu
50 metrow. ZOMO wbieglo na peron i czekalo. Zrobilo sie nieprzyjemnie.
Niektorzy z nas zawierzyli swoim nogom - otwierali awaryjne drzwi z
drugiej strony i pryskali na tory …postanowilem zostac w pociagu,”

6. Piotr klamie twierdzac ze nie widzial na
oczy Jaskota, Rektora uniwersytetu na ktorym
byl pracownikiem naukowym (Uniwersytet Szczecinski
liczyl wtedy niewiele ponad 50 osob lokalnego grona
pedagogicznego, wiekszosc wykladowcow byla
wowczas wizytujaca).

https://historiaus.usz.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/PTDC0003.jpg

7. Piotr Trela nawet dzisiaj grozi swoim oponentom
donosicielstwem (patrz cytat grozba donosu
oraz pobicia, "skucia mordy," w wypadku powrotu
do Polski!)

Piotr Trela:
“I jesli...przyjada kiedys do Polski to niech uwazaja - …ten ze zdjecia…dowie sie co o nim wypisujecie, to wam morde skuje.”

8. Piotr nie chce udzielic odpowiedzi na proste
pytania z ktorymi nikt na emigranckiej grupie
spolecznosciowej nie ma najmniejszego problemu,
np. kto w PRL rekomendowal na zagraniczne
studia doktoranckie do Kanady – Piotr przywoluje
prawo przestepcow do nie-samo-inkryminacji.

9. Piotr w pierwszym swoim tekscie opublikowanym
na Zachodzie zawarl donos. Poinformowal kanadyjska
publike ze Komunisci w Polsce nie sa prawdziwymi
Marksistami-Leninistami.

Piotr Trela:
"I wanted to see a believing Marxist-Lenninist with
my own eyes. Spending 29 years in a Marxist Lenninist
country I hadn't met any... . I was anxious to see my
first live Marxist-Leninist.

Strona nr. 7
http://dalspace.library.dal.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10222/52077/dalhousiegazette_volume122_issue4_september_28_1989.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

10. Piotr w przeciagu 27 lat dzialalnosci na grupie
dyskusyjnej soc.culture.polish napisal tysiace
reply'ow ale samemu nie otworzyl wiecej nizeli
kilkudziesieciu wlasnych watkow. Wiekszosc
dopiero wtedy gdy zostalo to zauwazone w
2016 roku, i zostala mu zwrocona uwaga.
Donosiciel, jego przelozeni, nie sa zainteresowani
przekazywaniem wlasnych opinii a gromadzeniem
cudzych.

11. Piotr od lat ulatwia prace donosicielom
ograniczajac swobode wypowiedzi w internecie;
pietnujac anonimowosc oraz domagajac sie by
wszyscy Internauci podpisywali sie swoimi
prawdziwymi imionami i nazwiskami.

12. Gdy Trybunał Praw Człowieka w Strasburgu
orzekł że Grzegorz Braun mial prawo nazwac
profesora Miodka SB'ekiem, Piotr Trela usilowal
ograniczyc swobode wypowiedzi Brauna
Argumentujac ze uczciwy system to taki w
ktorym "lepiej by winny uszedl karze niz zeby
niewinnego skrzywdzic."

Piotr zaczal bronic systemu prawnego
ktory nie wymierzyl sprawiedliwosci ani
jednemu z SB’eckich oprawcow zapominajac
ze Braun nie domagal sie kary dla SB'eka
tylko swobody wypowiedzi dla siebie.

13. Piotr w swoim nowym miejscu
zamieszkania szybko dal sie poznac
jako proponent internetowej cenzury,
nazywajac idiotami Nowofundlandczykow
uskarzajacych sie na cenzure w netcie.

14. Piotr zapytany na soc.culture.polish o
dokladna date swojego wyjazdu z PRL’u do
Kanada- w okresie rzadow Rakowieckiego
i Kiszczaka czy tez pozniej, gdy uzyskanie
paszportu nie bylo powiazane z probami
werbunku do wspolpracy ze Sluzba Bezpieczenstwa,
odpowiada milczeniem oraz natychmiastowym
i bezpowrotnym zerwaniem wieloletniego
kolezenstwa z pytajacym go p. Andrzejem Strakiem.

Czy Piotr byl SB'eckim donosicielem tego
niewiem, wiem tylko ze na Jaskotowym Uniwersytecie,
i nie tylko, byli tacy! Gdy zas komuna padala
w 1989r istniala czy tez mogla byc postrzegana
grozba ze donosiciele moga zostac zdemaskowani
i ukarani.

Z pewnoscia wladze Uniwerystetu Szczecinskiego
(SB'ecja, kapitan Cholewa, pro-rektor Homa,
Rektor Jaskot) czynili kroki by zapewnic
donosicielom nalezyte bezpieczenstwo, odwrot,
alibi, czy ewakuacje. Piotr wlasnie w tym okresie
czasu i jako pracownik uniwerstytetu (!) z wiza
studencka w PRL'owskim paszporcie wyjezdza
na szkolenia doktoranckie do Kanada. Dzisiaj
panikuje pytany o szczegoly swojego wyjazdu.

Ubecka metodyka dyskusji Piotra do wgladu
w archiwach Google'a. Kazdy moze sobie wyrobic
opinie z kim/czym ma do czynienia."

A tutaj fotka:

https://i0.wp.com/gazette.mun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biology.jpg
From left are project team members Drs. "Piotr Trela", "Sally Goddard", "Margaret Caldwell" and "Jane Costello". (Absent: Dr. "Anna Rissanen")

Science in Poland PAP (auto-generated translation below)
https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

New regulations on lustration at universities. "They may concern even several thousand people"

The new regulations on lustration at universities may be felt by even several thousand people who cooperated with the security services during the Polish People's Republic - Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller said in an interview with PAP. In his opinion, universities need decommunization.

The Law on Higher Education and Science (Constitution for Science, Law 2.0), in force since October 1, 2018, provides for changes to the provisions on vetting at universities. Pursuant to the Act, a person who "did not work from July 22, 1944 to July 31, 1990, may become a member of the university council, a member of the university senate, a member of the Science Evaluation Committee, the Scientific Excellence Council, the Polish Accreditation Committee, or a titular professor" and did not serve in state security agencies (...) and did not cooperate with these authorities ”.

"Decommunization" at universities

Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education Piotr Müller in an interview with PAP called these provisions "decommunizing". When asked whether decommunization is still needed at universities, he replied: "Without a doubt." He assessed that the introduction of new regulations "may be a stage of a delayed, but still settlement of, issues related to the functioning of the People's Republic of Poland".

When asked how many people the new regulations will make their academic career difficult, Piotr Müller commented: “We do not have such data, because we do not have a way to collect it. But I think it could even affect several thousand people in the country. " - The latest research by the Institute of National Remembrance shows that the environments at universities were very infiltrated and there were many people there who were secret collaborators - said the deputy minister.

The provisions related to vetting are to prevent the performance of important functions in higher education not only by lustration liars, but in general all persons who collaborated with the SB or were functionaries of these services. Persons applying for the positions listed in the Act will have to submit a lustration declaration. - If someone in such a statement writes that he was a secret SB officer, he will not be able to perform these important functions - said the deputy minister. And he added that if someone makes a false statement, they will be breaking the law.

He recalled that so far only a small group of people who applied for managerial positions were obliged to submit lustration declarations at universities. - There was not even awareness of the content of this lustration declaration - he assessed. According to him, the new regulations will result in the fact that people who cooperated with the SB will not want to perform managerial functions at all.

Not too late?

When asked if it made sense to introduce such legislation only now, he said yes. He calculated: - Suppose that in 1989 someone was 30 years old, had already made a career at the university and was an informer. Today, such a person is 59 years old. He still has many years of work at the university ahead of him. And people of that age often play a significant role in higher education, 'he said.

The deputy minister pointed out that the new lustration provisions did not apply to members of the Polish Academy of Sciences or management positions at the academy, because the Act does not cover the Polish Academy of Sciences. - Here, unfortunately, these new regulations do not apply. I say it with sadness - the interlocutor commented.

The provisions on the vetting of candidates for professors will enter into force on April 30, 2019. And the provisions on the vetting of candidates for managerial positions and newly elected members of university governing bodies have been in force since October this year.

Source: Science in Poland PAP

https://www.wprost.pl/edukacja/10165250/nowe-przepisy-o-lustracji-na-uczelniach-moga-dotyczyc-nawet-kilku-tysiecy-osob.html

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