On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 12:16:15 AM UTC-5, sabaris...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 10:46:41 PM UTC+1, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> > I don't have access to it, because it requires a subscription, but BHO has an entry in the Henry VI Close Rolls that from the description at the search result screen indicates that the father of a John Chymbeham living at the same time as the one in your pedigree was Edmund Chymbeham.
> >
> > The part that is readable from the search result screen is as follows:
> >
> > Close Rolls, Henry VI: January 1436
> > "7 February. John Chymbeham, son and heir of Edmund Chymbeham, to William ... 8 February. Edmund Chymbeham, brother of John Chymbeham, to William...."
> >
> > 'Close Rolls, Henry VI: January 1436', in Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry VI: Volume 3, 1435-1441, ed. A E Stamp (London, 1937), pp. 46-50. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/hen6/vol3/pp46-50 [accessed 7 December 2017].
> >
> > It seems a good possibility that this John Chymbeham could be one and the same as the one in your pedigree. I am curious as to what the remainder of the Close Roll entry says.
> >
> > Jordan.
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:34:14 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> > > Matthew,
> > > Reagrding John Chymbeham in your Ive pedigree. From the Feet of Fine abstract below, it appears that John Chymbeham's wife was named Alice.
> > >
> > > http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_46_84.shtml
> > >
> > > http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/CP25%281%29/CP25_1_46_80-84/IMG_0118.htm
> > >
> > > CP 25/1/46/84, number 128.
> > >
> > > County: Devon.
> > > Place: Westminster.
> > > Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 14 Henry VI [27 January 1436].
> > >
> > > Parties:William Bonevile, knight, Nicholas Wymbyssh', clerk, Thomas Levesham, clerk, John Bluet, Nicholas Radeford', Thomas Cokayn', John Bate, William Wenard', John More, William Beef', William Hyndeston', John Germyn', William Hunte and Richard Tovnesende, querents, and John Chymbeham and Alice, his wife, deforciants.
> > >
> > > Property:The manor of Hode and 30 messuages, 1 dove-cot, 1 water mill, 800 acres of land, 300 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture and 6 pounds of rent in Hode, Merlegh', Helepayn', Choldewyll', Hochelond', Caundelych', Luscombe, Lowefalewyll' and North'hode.
> > >
> > > Action: Plea of covenant.
> > >
> > > Agreement:John Chymbeham and Alice have acknowledged the manor and tenements to be the right of William Wenard', of which the same William, William Bonevile, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bluet, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bate, John More, William Beef', William Hyndeston', John Germyn', William Hunte and Richard have the manor, messuages, dove-cot, mill, land, meadow and pasture of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Alice to William, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bluet, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bate, William, John More, William, William, John Germyn', William and Richard and the heirs of William Wenard' for ever, and have granted the rent, together with the homages and all services of Richard, prior of Plympton', and his successors, George Densill', John Wy[m?]ond', John Drake and John Leya and their heirs, in respect of all the tenements which they held before of John Chymbeham and Alice in the aforesaid vills, to hold to William, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bluet, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bate, William, John More, William, William, John Germyn', William and Richard and the heirs of William Wenard', of the chief lords for ever.
> > >
> > > Warranty:Warranty.
> > > For this:William, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bluet, Nicholas, Thomas, John Bate, William, John More, William, William, John Germyn', William and Richard have given them 1000 marks of silver.
> > >
> > > Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)
> > >
> > > Persons:William Bonville, Nicholas Wimbish, Thomas Levesham, John Bluett, Nicholas Radford, Thomas Cokayne, John Bate, William Wenard, John Moore, William Beef, William Hindstone, John Jermyn, William Hunt, Richard Townsend, John Chymbeham, Alice Chymbeham, Richard, George Densill, John Wymond, John Drake, John Lee
> > >
> > > Places: Hood (in Dartington), Marley (in Rattery), Hele, Cholwell, Hatchland (both in Rattery), 'Caundelych'', Luscombe, Lower Velwell (both in Rattery), Plympton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:16:14 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> > > > I just came across a transcription of the will of Richard Groveherst dated the 16 Feb 1456 and probated 20 May 1457.
> > > >
> > > > The transcription reads:
> > > >
> > > > 16 February 1456. Richard Groveherst of Tonbridge.
> > > > Names and places mentioned include:
> > > > St Peter and Paul in Tonbridge. Gifts for high altars in Horsmonden, Brenchley, Frennyngham, Mapyscombe.
> > > > Wife Alicie and Phillipp Kyng to be executors.
> > > > Wife Alicie to be custodian of Agnete and Elizabeth, daughter.
> > > > William Lacon to be supervisor.
> > > > Present to witness: Thomas Harterigge, Johanne Wycchinden, Johe Judde, Johanne Halle.
> > > > Lands, tenements in parish of Horsmonden, Brenchley, Marden, Frenyngham, Kingsdowne, Mappescombe and Eynsford, late feoffment of William Lacon of Stone, Philipp Kyry of City of London, Thomas Brooke and Thomas Hartereg of Marden, and Edmund Peake of Brenchley. Manor of Grofehurst.
> > > > Johanna (daughter), wife of Henry Hexstall.
> > > > Two parcels of land called Austyns and Vullars.
> > > > Alice (daughter) wife of Johannis Honyngton.
> > > > Elizabeth (daughter).
> > > > Probate 12 May 1457, admin to Alice, relict.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Bk11/039.htm
> > > >
> > > > It appears from that he had a 2nd wife named Alice, and at the time his daughter Elizabeth (ancestor to Rose Ive) was not married, and that she was to be under the custody of his wife Alice.
> > > >
> > > > Jordan.
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> > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> > > > > Matthew,
> > > > >
> > > > > I read through your blog entry on your research into the ancestry of Rose Ive and was very impressed with the headway you made, especially on the side of her father Richard Ive of Kentish Town. With your research you have provided a number of possible avenues of further research for her ancestry.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have started to dig into it a little bit, I came across a PDF of a paper within a larger work. The paper is entitled, "The Village of Crouch End, Hornsey," by W. McB. Marcham. Within the text (page 4 of the PDF and page 398-399 of the actual work), is an Ive pedigree which coincides with what you have found, and provides further information about Elizabeth Tykhull nee Groverherst, her daughter Frances and son Ralph, and Thomas Ive.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.cecilepark.com/vofcend/vofcendsmall.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > If I come across anything that might be of further interest, I will post.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > > Jordan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 12:57:03 AM UTC-5, m...@armorial.es wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Newsgroup:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if any member of the group has perhaps been researching the ancestry of Rose Ive for an article to be published in a journal. I started assembling materials along this line way back in 2011, but what work I did is still languishing on my hard drive and frankly I'm so busy professionally I despair of doing anything more formal with it in the short term. I'm thinking of simply posting to my blog what I have, and inviting comments/critiques/additions, but would not want to inadvertently blow someone else's paper out of the water.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matthew Hovious
> Here's the text of the Close Rolls recorda you were asking for:
>
> Membrane 13d
> William Chymbeham the elder, brother of John Chymbeham, to William Boneville knight, Nicholas Wymbysshe, Thomas Leuesham clerks, John Bluet, Nicholas Radeforde, Thomas Cokayne, John Bate, William Wenarde, John More, William Beefe, William Hyndeston, John Germyn, William Hunte and Richard Townesende, their heirs and assigns. Quitclaim indented with warranty of the manor of Hode, all messuages, dovecotes, mills, lands, rents, reversions and services in Hode, Marlegh (Merlegh), Helepayn, Choldewille, Hochelonde, Caundelyche, Luscombe, Louefalewille (Loufalewille) and 'Northhode' co. Devon, and all messuages etc. with all neifs in that county which they had by feoffment of John Chambeham (sic) his brother. Witnesses: Thomas Courtenay earl of Devon, Philip Courtenay, John Dynham, Thomas Beaumonde knights, John Speke, Humphrey Bevyle (Beville), Thomas Wyse, Walter Reynolde, Walter Whitlegh. Dated 7 February 14 Henry VI.
> Memorandum of acknowledgment in chancery at Westminster, 8 February.
> William Chymbeham the younger, brother of John Chymbeham, to William Boneville (and the others above named) their heirs and assigns. (Like) quitclaim and warranty. Witnesses and date (as the last).
> Memorandum of acknowledgment, 8 February.
> John Chymbeham, son and heir of Edmund Chymbeham, to William Boneville knight, Nicholas Wymbysshe, Thomas Leuesham clerks, John Bluet, Nicholas Radeforde, Thomas Cokayne, John Bate, William Wenarde, John More, William Beefe, William Hyndeston, John Germyn, William Hunte and Richard Townesende, their heirs and assigns. Quitclaim with warranty of the manor of Hode and all messuages, dovecotes, mills, lands, rents, reversions and services in Hode, Merlegh, Helepayne, Choldewille, Hochelonde, Caundelyche, Luscombe, Loufalewille and 'Northhode' co. Devon, and all messuages etc. and all neifs in that county, which they had by his gift. Witnesses: Thomas Courtenay earl of Devon, Philip Courtenay, John Dynham, Thomas Beaumonde knights, John Speke, Humphrey Beville, Thomas Wyse, Walter Reynolde, Walter Whitlegh. Dated 7 February 14 Henry VI.
> Memorandum of acknowledgment, 8 February.
> Edmund Chymbeham, brother of John Chymbeham, to William Boneville (and the others above named), their heirs and assigns. Quitclaim and warranty of the (said) manor etc., which they had by gift of the said John. Witnesses and date (as the last).
> Memorandum of acknowledgment, 8 February.
>
> Always happy to help with British History on-line lookups.
> Best
> Saba

Hello,

It has been quite a while since this posting.
I am wondering how some of the people mentioned in this document, were related to the defendants.
Were they relatives or tenants of the manor?
In am particularly interested in Thomas Cockayne.
There seems to have been an armigerous Cokeyn family in Devon in the fifteenth century and earlier.
J. Sardina