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Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 29 Minutes ago by: ruudhar...@gmail.com

Heard it again. It was about an air conditioner. "Heeft u genoeg gehad van warme [something]". The almost identical expressions are: English: "I've had enough of it." Dutch: "Ik heb er genoeg van". So a correct translation would have

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 31 Minutes ago by: Richard Heathfield

Thank you for reporting that. I've honoured Ruud's effort by unplonking him.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 48 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

Thanks for pointing that out. The OED agrees. I shouldn't speak so confidently about British pronunciation. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever heard it with the [ð] in America. Interesting. It's a step in the right direc

Re: never pronounce the L in Almond and Salmon (thread)

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Posted: 58 Minutes ago by: Stefan Ram

almond, A~ ˈɑːm ənd §ˈɑːlm-, §ˈælm-, §ˈɒlm- ~s z salmon, S~ ˈsæm ən ~s z § precedes non-RP BrE

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 2 Minutes ago by: Paul Wolff

I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced. I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion falls under the Constit

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 36 Minutes ago by: ruudhar...@gmail.com

If you'll allow me, I would like to take this opportunity, in no way intending to criticise or harm, to point out that Collins Dictionary states that the British pronunciation would be [kləʊðz], and the American variant [kloʊðz] or [

Re: "This is cool" (in 1849) (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 39 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

Specifically, I'd say, the OED's sense 2. d. Of a person, an action, or a person's behaviour: assured and unabashed where diffidence and hesitation would be expected; composedly and deliberately audacious or impudent in making a proposal

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 40 Minutes ago by: Janet

In article <sAgNXQffc4hiFAOP@wolff.co.uk>, bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk says... The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in Afghanistan

Re: never pronounce the L in Almond and Salmon (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 49 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Almond gets the 'L' - Salmon doesn't. No rhyme or reason.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 1 Hour 53 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Well, the casing to allow the coathan^w wires to rotate. You're likely to hit rock. But we were just looking for buried pipes.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: musika

Indeed, it's an "l". Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.

Re: "This is cool" (in 1849) (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 11 Minutes ago by: musika

This is not the 20th C. "cool". It is more likely to be the "lack of due respect" meaning. "They were given a cool reception".

never pronounce the L in Almond and Salmon

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Posted: 2 Hours 18 Minutes ago by: henh...@gmail.com

in this great Youtube clip ... this beautiful teacher says that the correct pronunciation is never to pronounce the L in Almond and Salmon. _______________ (Is this stubbornness more common in the UK than in the USA?) These ppl

(beautiful teacher says) correct pronunciation of [comfortable]

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Posted: 2 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: henh...@gmail.com

in this great Youtube clip ... this beautiful teacher says that the correct pronunciation of the word [comfortable] omits the (2nd) O --- (but she tells us to pronounce the R) Wow! ------ and Mmmmmmmmmmm !

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: CDB

Still putting her face on. Not ready for closeup.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: CDB

Awww.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 42 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

The answer to your question of why the BBC chose to lead a news program with the story of the leak is problem more mundane than you think. Some editor or higher-up simply decided that no other issue would be of greater interest, so the

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Hours 43 Minutes ago by: CDB

Me neither, but I have remembered that name for many years. Mostly for being a stock line of Jackie Gleason's on '50s television, with "Busch" pronounced "boosh" [buS].

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Stefan Ram

cafe, café ˈkæf ᴇˑɪ / -iː; kæ ˈfᴇˑɪ ‖ kæ ˈfᴇˑɪ / kə- - Fr [ka fe] - Sometimes also (but in RP only facetiously) kæf, kᴇˑɪf ~s z Symbols with different meanings than in IPA: ᴇ a sound between [e] and [ɛ]

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... The cap or the plastic casing of a Bic pen? If you dig anywhere in Britain, don't you hit water pretty soon?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: CDB

Did they retreat with a melancholy long withdrawing roar?

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... Some of us would. No measurable precipitation here since March 23. A serious comment.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 16 Minutes ago by: CDB

<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote: It's a zleepy old county.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 19 Minutes ago by: CDB

One could cite "coupe de ville". That was no cayf, that was a rat's cooler.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 20 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

The form in question has both. .... Noted. If you're trying to get along with people, I recommend not using hyperbole that makes it seem you're criticizing more people than you are. I'm aware of the concept of generalization, and

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: CDB

Peter's uncertainty could be my fault. When I mentioned the title, I left out the accent; WP had one in its article but IMDEb didn't, so I had a choice.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

My use of "shift" didn't imply that either pronunciation predated the other, just that the stress was on two different syllables. Well duh, precisely because that abbreviation has a distinct pronunciation from its full-form counterpart.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The BrE pronunciation is more "authentic"? The stress shift occurred in AmE?!?!?!?! I should not be humoring your chauvinistic delusions, but how do you detect the spelling of something someone says? How does anyone know they're hea

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 46 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Um, the Old Law was superseded by the New Law? (Saul/Paul somewhere) The point being that Catholics love their graven images, so they fold #2 into #1 and have to divide #10 somehow to get two out of it..

"This is cool" (in 1849)

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Posted: 3 Hours 47 Minutes ago by: Stefan Ram

|"I've done a right thing. Well, the short and the long of it is, |I'm determined to get Farren a place, and I reckon on you to give |him one." | |"This is cool, however!" exclaimed Mr. Yorke. "What right have |you to reckon on me to pr

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 50 Minutes ago by: CDB

A cat's staff can do that, AFAIK.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 50 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

You haven't supported that claim and no native BrE-speakers here have confirmed it. The only transpondian difference in pronunciation is the shift of the stress from the first (BrE) to the second (AmE) syllable. Besides, none of the BrE d

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Several of the others take up several verses, too. You needn't believe Gustave Doré or Cecil B. DeMille. The whole Decalogue

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Hours 58 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

I'm told that setting them for the time you want can be difficult, though.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Some here, when it suits them, claim that they are unable to distinguish an expression of opinion from a -- what? statement of fact? Some here, when it suits them, are unable to distinguish between a generalization and a universal de

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 6 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

(No, it wasn't a good one.) That's what he gets for a slander in relation to a feeble joke.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

But there's no r in the middle of her name.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 17 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Almost all American movies of the 1930s ("talking pictures") were populated by actors trained for the stage, and they used an accent that might charitably be called "Mid-Atlantic." It wasn't until the rise of such stars as Cagney, Gabl

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 43 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

In French. In American English. Not necessarily, however, in British English.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 47 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Thus they are very much not "irrelevant to British interests." You wouldn't be suggesting we shouldn't study any aspect of world history other than that of our own limited region, are you? That's exactly the mindset of those promoting

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 55 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

No, but I don't need to, since in AmE we say "kaffAY" whether it has an acute or not. Tell it to the Brits.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 4 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That was exactly T****'s intent. No one, including himself, expected him to win, but major missteps by the Clinton campaign (assuming that WI, PA, and a couple of other "swing states" were in the bag) and sabotage by the FBI (announci

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Paul Wolff

How much do you think the answers to any of these questions about leaked American constitutional goings-on are of great moment to the British public? Or because the British reporters over there are (a) many, and (b) spoon-fed stories

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 6 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[Hebrews 1 Canaanites 0] I dunno, but I've made it work using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing#Pair_of_rods (plus a pair of biro outers) It could be I'm fooling myself.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 6 Hours 1 Minute ago by: CDB

[good advice] "Take what you want" says God. "And pay for it." [self-pity]

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 6 Hours 10 Minutes ago by: J. J. Lodder

Not really, it's just that they no longer print new ones. And central banks destroy the ones that they take in. They remain legal tender, (if you can find somebody who will accept one) Jan

Re: So Fire (thread)

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Posted: 6 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: CDB

Marco said it best.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

They do, but catshit is a lot more discreet than dogshit. These days, our mighty hunter brings in grasshoppers. That's a big improvement over her previous supply of mice, frogs, lizards, and snakes. The mighty hunter's brother doesn't b

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

He did. It was eventually copied onto scrolls. A much better solution than carrying around two heavy stones. Water diviners still exist, but I have no idea how good their success rate is.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 10 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

In some cases, e.g. the Belgian Mechelen/Malines, the two names are direct translations of each other. (Actually, Mons/Bergen is one of those cases. I'd never noticed that before.) Commonly enough, though, the two names seem to be unrel

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 7 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Paul Carmichael

They were called "Bin Ladens" https://www.antena3.com/programas/espejo-publico/noticias/los-billetes- de-500-conocidos-como-bin-laden_202001085e15ceed0cf21e5aa4965880.html

Re: jews killed an American citizen and the US hold's jew bastards' (thread)

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Posted: 8 Hours 38 Minutes ago by: Richard Heathfield

<complete shit> Indeed. I'll give him a day or so to respond to my question; otherwise it's into the bozo bucket with him.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Yes. Apparently it was much favoured by money launderers. I never saw one.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 10 Minutes ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Sometimes very different, like Mons and Bergen.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Do they bring in dead animals (either in tribute to their Lord or to show that they are, indeed, Mighty Hunters) and piss off the neighbours by crapping on their gardens?

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’_ (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 17 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Punks with buspasses!

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 19 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Peculiarly, we have Tebay services in the ^w on the approach to th Lake District; this is family run. Not long after we got a motorway system a chap wrote "Just off the Motorway" to direct people to better eating and cheaper fuel option

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: J. J. Lodder

Your ersatz king of course, who is also commander in chief, Jan

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: J. J. Lodder

IIRC rifling was invented long before the American revolution. It was used primarily for expensive hunting weapons though, where accuracy mattered. (for the rich) Military musketry relied on firing volleys, as rapidly as possible, usuall

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

That ark wasn't very portable; yu'd think Yahweh might come up with a personal one, pshurely the tech must've moved on by now. (PS we all would like one of those staffs that can make water spring forth. No? I'm going back to graven ima

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps there is a(n?) Eurok coming soon. Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st. Maybe not then; they cancelled the 500€ note. 'Minium' would

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 9 Hours 50 Minutes ago by: Silvano

In the US, maybe. In countries with two or more official languages, geographic features (and towns and cities) normally have different names in those languages.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 5 Minutes ago by: charles

surely the National Guard is the modern replacement for 'militia'. Their weapons are stored safely in armories.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 6 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

from unless it's a joke, 'the same that everybody else uses. or just 'the same as everybody else'

Re: Racist Club post [was - jews ...]

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Posted: 10 Hours 6 Minutes ago by: occam

Because Batshit is, at heart, a racist a member of a small clique of Indian contributors who hand around this newsgroup for the purpose of exposing SK's posts. Plonk him, is my advice.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

OO's been there recently? It was stinky "mud" at that (probably a % of untreated sewage). Caveat: this was back WIWAL and my parents had some kind of idea that Weston-super-Mud was some kind of glamorous place.

Re: jews killed an American citizen and the US hold's jew bastards' coat (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Me too. The sad thing is that he is quite capable of making useful contributions -- more and more rarely recently.

Re: jews killed an American citizen and the US hold's jew bastards'

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Posted: 10 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

I plonked him ages ago, for precisely that reason. The only time I'm exposed to SK these days is when someone quotes Dingbat quoting SK; and that happens rarely.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

A strong impression I got in San Francisco is that all the hippies had moved over the bridge to Marin County. The hippies had turned into yuppies.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 10 Hours 58 Minutes ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

That depends on how serious his statement was. This business about humans being cats' servants is a nice conceit and a shared joke, but people who keep cats know they are actually pretty good company. They add homey to a home and if you

Re: jews killed an American citizen and the US hold's jew bastards'

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Posted: 11 Hours 18 Minutes ago by: Richard Heathfield

Why are you quoting this shit? You're just asking for a plonk. Is that your goal? To reach as many killfiles as possible?

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 11 Hours 19 Minutes ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

I don't think that's right. I'm a minor expert on this generation; I turned 18 in 1965 and entered university in 1966, just in time for so many adventures. I have known many people who were stoned as often as not, and I can report that

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 11 Hours 33 Minutes ago by: occam

[AbAUE] How many moms do you have in total?

Re: jews killed an American citizen and the US hold's jew bastards' coat

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Posted: 11 Hours 33 Minutes ago by: Dingbat

In a press conference following Abu Akleh's autopsy on the day of her death, Head of An-Najah National University’s Forensic Medicine Department Dr. Rayyan Al-Ali said it could not yet be determined which side shot her. https://palwatch.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 11 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Hibou

If so, stuffed owls have met their comeuppance, when taxonomist met taxidermist.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 11 Hours 52 Minutes ago by: Hibou

No, no, no! How slow you are to understand! My apologies. This is frustrating. Sigh! Let's take it very slowly and clearly. Britons are exposed to a great deal of American speech in the material that America exports to us. Let's take

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 12 Hours 18 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

Interesting, I didn't know that. The only explanation I can think of is that "ligne", not "bus", is implied ("la ligne 51"). Indeed, the reference is always to the bus itself.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 12 Hours 23 Minutes ago by: David Kleinecke

We have ex-hippies and we have stoned people. But I think the populations don't overlap significantly. All the old hippies are now over seventy and got to such an age by being careful. Careful is not a attribute of the stoned. If you w

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 12 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

My mistake, it was "The Cafe", but that doesn't change anything as "café" and "cafe" are pronounced the same , i.e. as "kaffay".

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 14 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Lewis

Up until I was bout 13 we always had at least one cat hanging around, but I've not had a cat since them, I was mostly transient from 14yo-20yo so had not pets and also I was mostly around my future (and current) wife who is very allerg

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 14 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: Lewis

I would not believe any test that put his IQ above 105, and I'd assume it was someone who was forced/bribed, just like the doctors claiming he was "amazingly healthy" when everyone could see he was fat and bloated and wearing a diaper.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 14 Hours 36 Minutes ago by: Rich Ulrich

I think of it as another euphemism. They did expressed themselves while avoiding the explicit blasphemy that many people still avoid.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 14 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: Rich Ulrich

IIRC, some time back, SCOTUS refused to contemplate the the strength of DNA evidence when it came to something-or- other, maybe, asking for a new trial or dismissing a verdict. I saw that decision compared to them deciding that the 2nd

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 14 Hours 54 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

Use "did" to refer to one point on the timeline. Use "have done" when the focus is on a range of times up until now.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 1 Minute ago by: Peter Moylan

This statement puzzles me. Can you give an example? For me, the English present perfect is used to express something that was true in the past but is now complete. Perhaps you're thinking of a different tense.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 11 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

Yes, it's impressive how much Al Jazeera reports that is censored by the bigger news media. Australia used to have a good free press - far better than the USA, in my experience - but Murdoch's increasing stranglehold has meant increasin

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

In the case of the United Australia Party, one single billionaire called Clive Palmer. He's really throwing the money around. The traditional "rich" party, the Liberal Party, is spending about twenty million dollars on advertising this e

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Stefan Ram

"Have you ever" is about 1.66 times more frequent than "Did you ever" in my collection. One might use "did you ever" for periods of the past that do not include the present. "When you were in Los Angeles, did you ever meet Arno

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 45 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

In Australia those traditional places were private businesses - hotels, junk food shops, cafes, and so on - that took advantage of their location on a busy highway. Frequent highway users, most particularly truck drivers, worked out whic

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 15 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

Quis regulabit ipsos regulatores? Or whatever it would be.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 11 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

Social media - Usenet and its successors - are to blame for this. In online discussions it's natural to create abbreviations for common phrases. Eventually newcomers arrive who have little or no knowledge of the original phrase, and know

Re: Subject Matter Expert (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Userme

Thank you all for the help. I appreciate it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

If I am not misremembering the history, the intent of that amendment was to ensure that the federal government could not create its own army. The individual states needed the power to create and regulate their own militia, as a guard agai

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

Those three questions are questions about the American nation. They are not relevant to news reporting in other countries. As seen from outside, the story is one about the US Supreme Court having turned into an ultra-conservative club.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

A lie. The tribe is participating, but the condors are being released in Redwood National and State Parks, which constitute a combined entity.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 48 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

The funerals I've been to over the last few years have all been different, but they can all be thought of as two-phase affairs. The first phase is the formal part. This can involve an official memorial with speeches, or a church service,

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 16 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

A respectable wandering tribe would have had no business being in a house of bondage in the first place! That book should have been banned long ago.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 1 Minute ago by: Peter Moylan

Adverbs can even qualify adverbs. It's a messy aspect of our traditional classification. If we invented different categories for "words that qualify verbs", "words that qualify adjectives", and so on, we would end up with so many differe

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

I would hold off on all of those until there is a bit more progress on that Militia. Who is responsible for doing the regulating?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 10 Minutes ago by: Peter Moylan

Although our major roads have numbers, few of those numbers are part of the public consciousness. For example, to travel down the west side of the lake from here, I would take Lake Road, and then Five Islands Road, and so on. To travel no

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Snidely

But they knew about little circles and stars, so changing the CSS shouldn't be too difficult. /dps

Re: Subject Matter Expert (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 13 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

I agree with all that. Also, I don't know why you would say "I am a subject matter expert" instead of just "I am an expert" in those things.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 16 Minutes ago by: Snidely

We need to see Lola! /dps

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Snidely

Lo, on the 5/18/2022, Jerry Friedman did proclaim ... For instance, an exact teaspoon measure. I would add that IME (more armchair than chef's hat, although I can boil water and occasionally have done a steamed pudding) the amount of he

Re: Subject Matter Expert (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Snidely

Thursday, Userme murmurred ... "I am a subject matter expert in Excel and Google Suite". Capitalizing "Subject Matter Expert" makes it look like a title (think of "Doctor"), but I haven't yet encountered this term as a title. It is jus

Re: Employee of the month (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 48 Minutes ago by: Userme

Thank you very much. That is very good point. I will omit the deptartment. Thank again.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 49 Minutes ago by: Snidely

Well, you keep going on about this instead of moving on and trying something else. /dps

Re: Employee of the month (thread)

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Posted: 17 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

I don't think it's necessary to specify the department. "I'm proud to have been selected three times as "Employee of the Month". That's the sort of thing you bring up in a resume/CV that only needs to be expanded if you are asked a

Employee of the month

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Posted: 18 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Userme

++++ I have been employee of the month 3 times for client serive desk ++++ Is that good English. How you would write it yourself. What problem I have is that to say I have employee of the month for xyz dept. Is how to link the first part

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 18 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

) I meant that it's wrong to classify "how" as an adverb and not as an adjective. I'd say it's the other way around. You can tell whether "How?" is asking an adverbial or adjectival question by the answers it gets. Yes, it's a bit

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 18 Hours 36 Minutes ago by: Stefan Ram

The book I took this exercise from explains that the present perfect is used to talk about a period of time that extends from the past until the present. "Have you ever ridden a horse?" refers to the period of time from the chi

Subject Matter Expert

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Posted: 18 Hours 50 Minutes ago by: Userme

Hi I want to say this ++++ I am Subject Matter Expert in Excel, and Google suite. ++++ Is this good English. How you would write that yourself. Thank you very much.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Paul Wolff

I'd like to think that these are problems of the definitions we use for 'adverb' and 'adjective', and the logic following those. If the 'How?' question is asking adverbially, that's what its answer should be. Incidentally, I never did e

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

Good one! Yurok!

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Quinn C

In Quebec, it's certainly not unusual to add "the". | The Quebec French expression "à l'autre bout de la 20" (in English, at | the other end of the 20) refers to Montreal when the speaker is in | Quebec City, and to Quebec City when on

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

Well, half of it is. No doubt you've now seen at Wikipedia or elsewhere how the Jewish (Talmudic) numbering goes. That's what Wikipedia calls the Reformed Christian numbering, also in the Anglican prayerbook.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: musika

I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".

Re: [Laying on the Beach] -- in other languages ? ---- (not (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 31 Minutes ago by: musika

Pudding on the Ritz.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Quinn C

Can you justify "caf" as a pronunciation of "cafe" without explaining it as a *French* silent e at the end? "Cayf" would make some sense.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 44 Minutes ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post. The condors David is talking about are being released on the Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 19 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Ross Clark

Oops.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 1 Minute ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Yes. That's an opinion, a view, my view. Others may disagree, but this is how I see it. Perhaps maybe please you might want to consider it. Then say how you see it, perhaps differently. It's called discussion. In a discussion group. Fre

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Mark Brader

Anders Nygaard: I recall a time when a friend drove me from the University of Waterloo (Ontario) to my parents' apartment in what is now Toronto. The last part of the trip was eastbound on highway 401[*], southbound on 427[*] to Dundas

The best Estuary speaker meets the best County speaker?

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Posted: 20 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

No, doesn't work. Sometimes we use the same form. It is very complicated in both languages, but differently.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 10 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

In practice, I use all three languages depending on the subject at hand. Just look at my history files, the language of every article is marked in there. https://rudhar.com/index/whatsold/wotsnu22.htm https://rudhar.com/index/whatsold/wot

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 17 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What's that got to do with the verb form? You started to tell a story, but then you didn't tell the story. "Yesterday I went to the movies. [Note absence of close-quote.]

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 21 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I'll ask again. Where the hell do you see "Le Café"?

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Cancelling. Lifelong ban. I deserve it. Mea culpa, Master Sir Ken Blake. Fuck you, asshole.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

When in Dutch someone says "Ik ging gisteren naar de film" (litterally: I went yesterday to the movies), people would wonder: "Yes? And what happened? It was sold out? You stumbled and fell? You got a car accident? Somebody else got an ac

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Why are you still complaining about it, instead of taking Silvano's advice and just dropping the term "perfect" from the discussion? "Perfective" is a technical term in both Slavic and Semitic (specifically Classical Arabic and Classi

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 27 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

The progressive forms aren't difficult for me. The difficult thing is to chose between "did" and "have done". Contrary to other people, I always appreciate corrections and constructive criticism. I learn from them. I often find errors

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You understood what Stefan said? Maybe it goes into Dutch better than into English. (Even once in your life. Someone saw the alleged perp who looked like you riding a horse.) (Any relevant experience that would help us determine wh

[Laying on the Beach] -- in other languages ? ---- (not

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Posted: 20 Hours 35 Minutes ago by: henh...@gmail.com

This (quasi-Grammatical) expression [Laying on the Beach] has a special place in my heart... 1. what's another one like it in English ? 2. in other languages ? ---------- in French, German, Spanish, ... _____________________ wh

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

But ptd seems to think that "kaff" is a possible BrE pronunciation in "Le Café" (see upthread), whereas it's not.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

I CBA to check, but each time Ruud has received negative responses, it has been when he interjects and says (in essence) "Stop! You're doing it wrong." That was certainly the case with Peter's "Vera Chook and Dave" post. Ruud was com

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Dutch has both forms too, but less strict, and with different outcomes. The rules are very complicated, but I don't know any, I just do it automatically. In English, I do not have such a reliable sense for this. Term like "progressive"

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That would seem to make Somerset positively idyllic. Too bad about all those murders in its middle.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Richard Heathfield

Rocks! Tha should consider thaself looky, lad. Most uvuss oo go to Weston gets noothin' but mud, lad. Mud, mud, and more mud, for miles and miles and miles.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 53 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Right. Yet, that is a rule I have seen grammars give. Or I saw grammar give, or have been seeing, I don't care. Did you ever ride a horse? Have you ever ridden a horse? Those are completely equivalent to me. I cannot apply any of the

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 20 Hours 58 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

The roughest aspect of Weston-super-Mare was underfoot when we were there in 1984. Our daughter and son wanted to get into the water, but - Floridians that they were - expected a sandy beach. "Shingle", in this context, is defined as

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Restricting it to what the founders knew about would also be fine. (so muzzle loading black powder muskets and pistols) Swords allowed too, Jan

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 9 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I'm not a victim, because I am leading a happy life, totally independent of what happens in this group. I'm calling attention to a general mechanism in human nature, hoping awareness will make life easier on all those other victims, mill

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 11 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

I remember quizzing my daughter who was preparing for a high school test on the Constitution and the Amendments. She want to know why people had to be protected from being tangled up in fringes.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Because I'm not considered a regular of this group. Yes, that is the only reason. That people consistently don't want to see that, and deny that, is part of the same mechanism. If I'd post what I posted under a different name, the react

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 12 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

I haven't been to Weston for some time, so I googled to refresh the memory. Google offers answers to questions you haven't asked (and almost certainly would never have asked). One of these said: "Is Weston-super-Mare rough?" "Weston-S

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

Yes, I did know that, and it has been pointed out here a few times. I just wasn't thinking about all of the Amendments when I wrote that.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 22 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

When viewed through a darkened mirror, those snippets are slightly less frightening.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 24 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

Once on a bus travelling into Bath, one of a group of teenage girls[1] said exactly that at 60 second intervals. It seemed like a very long bus ride. [1] I had no reason to connect them with any particular valley.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 30 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

Well if it's bear arms you want, why not stick to some bells and a pepper spray?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 32 Minutes ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

And the latter are possibly extinct. I've not seen one for 3 decades. I vaguety recalled a TV drama set in a cafe - a different seriess, based on a real one (well the location was). Up Sam's way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Caf

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 34 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

By 1967 they'd visited the US at least a couple of times. If they came across it there, they might have remembered & used it simply because of its novelty value.

Re: So Fire (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 35 Minutes ago by: bruce bowser

In Poland, NATO troops might have a different view. I bet that place is stuffed with military folk right now.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Sam Plusnet

On a foldable trolley, in all the funerals I've attended in recent years. A newer trend is for a company to collect the body from... wherever it happens to be, cremate it, and (if required) return the ashes to the next of kin who way do

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 46 Minutes ago by: lar3ryca

Apologies to all. I was testing a random sig generator. I thought I had deleted the file that came from, but apparently I hadn't Question for anyone using Thunderbird for news. Do you know if the Signature Switch addon will do text-on

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 49 Minutes ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

I may have mentioned this before: In our last move, we could leave our old house, drive around 14 km while turning right nine times, and park the car just outside our new home. /Anders, Denmark

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

It's just a common expression indicating astonishment. It doesn't suggest that a person who says it is necessarily a believer. I'm an unbeliever and I've been known to say it from time to time, and I've known other unbelievers who also

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 57 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

Interesting. I've never heard that. To me, it's a common written abbreviation, but it's never spoken.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 21 Hours 59 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

I'm sure you know it, but for anyone here doesn't, it's only the *first ten* amendments that are known as "the bill of Rights."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 8 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

Personally, I would say "I-5," not "the I-5," but I've heard others use "the" with Interstate numbers. I would use "the" with highways with names, not those with numbers. For example, when I lived in NY, I would say "I was on the thru

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 14 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Google found that census.gov gives this (but I couldn't find it starting from the census.gov front page): The 2020 Census shows that the resident population of the United States, including the 50 states and the District of Columbia, wa

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 17 Minutes ago by: Richard Heathfield

We have such places, but we don't call them "transport cafes". They are normally on motorways and are known as "motorway services". Generally run as part of a chain: Moto, RoadChef, Welcome Break, Granada, etc. Expensive, with plastic

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 19 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

The treatment he should get is killfiling. Then I wouldn't have to see his messages quoted in someone else's posts.

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 25 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

Yes. Yes.

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: Ken Blake

You're welcome. Glad to help. OK, change it to My hardware and software troubleshooting experience includes troubleshooting Laptops, Desktops, Chrome books, and Smart phones.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 29 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

Thank you for "transport caff". That term eluded me, but it does seem associated with what we would call "truck stops"; places where long-haul truckers stop. However, our "truck stops" are frequently very large facilities. I was in on

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 35 Minutes ago by: Tony Cooper

I think that's understood by both PTD and by me. Those spellings merely represent how the words are pronounced. In text, the normal spelling of cafe/café would be used. If "caf" is represented in text, I'd do it as "caff", though.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Where do you see an acute accent in anything CDB, I, or Tony wrote, or in the 30-second (not 32nd) promo Tony linked to? How many times do you have to be told that English is not French?

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 48 Minutes ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

I spend a significant part of my free time -- and I'm retired, so that adds up -- correcting the content, grammar and other elements of the TV news, local and national. Things are in sad shape, as usual. But the national newscasts of both

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 22 Hours 51 Minutes ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The first one is KJV Exod 20:2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. That's certainly a commandment! #2 is graven images,

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 3 Minutes ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

Who's financing them? The funeral directors?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 13 Minutes ago by: Adam Funk

Just curious --- what's the current representative to population ratio? Wouldn't changing it have necessitated starting the ratification process over again?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 15 Minutes ago by: Adam Funk

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Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 16 Minutes ago by: Adam Funk

Ha, yes. I haven't read the books but I saw a TV adaptation a few years ago.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: Adam Funk

Yes. And a "transport caff" (not sure if there's a standard spelling) is roughly equivalent to a truck stop.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 23 Hours 28 Minutes ago by: Bebercito

You seem to be confused. "kaff" is the pronunciation of "caf" (an existing colloquial abbreviation), never of café". See e.g. --- Caf definition (...) (colloquial) Café https://www.yourdictionary.com/caf

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... That's also my experience in Ohio, Illinois, and New Mexico. To visit my father, I used to take (I-)271 to (I-)90, or the Shoreway. Here in New Mexico, I can take 84/285, the Chama Highway, or 68, the low road to Taos.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day ago by: Tony Cooper

Well, it doesn't as far as I know. You'd have to ask a Brit, but my understanding is that a "kaff" is a particular type of eating place that is associated with a down-market establishment. A "kaffay" is more upmarket and appeals to a b

A forest with no trees

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Posted: 1 Day ago by: bruce bowser

"An aquatic ecosystem like the Delta without its phytoplankton is like a grassland with no grass, or a forest with no trees" The Tiny Clams That Ate the Bay Delta KCET Public Media Group of Southern California- Jul 6, 2015

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day ago by: Jerry Friedman

I forgot a very idiomatic possibility: "That's what I've been saying all along." OK, I admit it's very difficult, and no language I know anything about has anything like "I've been saying". If you want me to stop correcting you on such

Re: keep them guessing (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: bruce bowser

"Up in the air" is an idiom of uncertainty.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: bruce bowser

Voor. George W. Bush - Amerikaanse politiek voor Obama Pakistan - June 2004

Re: Anybody Have a Good Joke? (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

This guy hadn’t acted in about 15 years, because he always forgets his lines, so finally he had to give it up. He’s working in a gas station and gets a phone call from someone saying that they want him for a Shakespearean play—all he

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: charles

has he got a vurent mistrees? Carrie should be told.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The terminology in the outline at the top seems pretty standard.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Contradicting what has been said here about the usual pronunciation of that word in BrE. We're now having *Packed to the Rafters*. Something someone said in it last week suggested it might be Australian, but they don't have Austral

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And lies.

Re: Anybody Have a Good Joke? (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: bruce bowser

Visit alt.jokes for more?

So Fire

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

Heard it in an insurance commercial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFLp2NFHsg Symbolizes passion and hope burning within like a fire. When a person is very passionate or hopeful towards something. "I'm so fire!" Title of a 2020 son

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

I can't even hear the k. No, it did. Interesting. Just goes to show, as they say.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... .... Not to stereotype about the North Coast of California, but there might be a few stoned ex-hippies who will give it a try. (Stoned ex-hippies are not unknown here in northern New Mexico either.)

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Thu, 19 May 2022 08:10:39 +0200: I have encountered in several chatgroups over 25 years the trigger + ganging-up response behaviour that you have described. I think I pretty well understand how it works, and in the process and ha

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I can't recall if I've ever "attacked" Ruud, but - if I have - it was an attack on something he wrote, not an attack on a newbie. To me, this is a classic case of someone who doesn't want to see that the source of a problem is what that

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

As anyone who follows a.u.e., and has not killfiled PTD, knows*, the validation of anything and everything is based on whether or not "Sheldon Cooper" has said it. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?vÎCAqzWJG1w "Sheldon" says the letters

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

/Every process/ has effects in its entire front light cone. So that rule is not helpful. I'm also bad at choosing the right tenseses, but that's because I haven't learned that properly yet. What I do now: 1. read a textboo

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It's not necessarily a separate sound as in Latin/English qu. It may be indicating that the k is lip-rounded.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

"kaffay". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfVCQjLYek Set in Weston-super-Mare, and a quite watchable series, but cancelled after Series 2 in 2013. I think it was shown by our local PBS station in 2019 or 2020. British shows often t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Here's the text. Do you think 38 states should approve it? "After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to on

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Silvano

Still pending since the 18th century? Wow! And then some people dare complain about the slow pace before the 27 national governments reach unanimous decisions for the whole EU.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

How dumb can he be? IN THAT INSTANCE, it is not pronounced as an initialism. No, there's no lower limit to the dumbness expected of lar3.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Is that kaff or kaffay? There was a cute little (18 mo.) bear cub high up in a tree (with a straight branchless trunk below the fork he was relaxing in) in a suburban backyard in Passaic County most of yesterday afternoon. He attract

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Silvano

Wikipedia confirms, but even a native Italian could have made that mistake. For small towns and villages, even we have to look for or listen to the local people. Usually Italian names are stressed on the last but one syllable. But excep

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Posted inadvertantly before adding the British included a (limited) right to bear arms in the "Bill of Rights 1689". Several of the rights in that document were included in our Bill of Rights.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Cf. LOL (normally ell oh ell, but occasionally = "loll" -- taken as a marker of cluelessness).

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

If they have names. I don't take "the 17" to get onto the NYS Thruway. (That's Route 17, which has the same number as both NJ-17 and NY-17.) If you crossed from NB to Maine, you wouldn't get to "the 95."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I don't know what that refers to. Are you talking about British characters in American TV shows? Lots and lots of British actors, complete with their native dialects, live in the US (both NY and L.A., where most TV shows are made), an

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> writes:

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

The use of "she" can sometimes (apart from ships or states) also express an emotional connection.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The Sheldon Cooper approach to sarcasm.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

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Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Not quite! See paragraph quoted below.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

No, we refer to the first ten amendments as the Bill of Rights. For some states, ratification of the Constitution was contingent on the pledge to incorporate such Rights into the Constitution; for some states, putting the document to t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: CDB

[Veras] How about the ever-popular Mae Busch? [more Veras]

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

-- You're not terribly far off. The Second Amendment, in its entirety: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Unfortunately, i

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: CDB

Without even a leek for a splashback.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’_‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Agreed. I perceived something after the k, but not something I could classify or would seem important to a speaker of German or English. That's the problem. But there seemed to be fewer issues of that kind than I expected. That it di

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Be very careful, or the paranoids will get you.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It would be a good place to look for what it thinks "adverb" means! OED does a truly lousy job with "grapheme" -- the definition it offers doesn't even cover the examples it gives. There's a paragraph about it in my book.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

That can't possibly be true! I thought I had heard it quite a few times from neighbour's kids and some of my great-nephews and great-nieces, but if troll hasn't heard it, I must be mistaken.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And maybe a teensy bit more important. Would it be news if Boris's mistress had an abortion?

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Silvano

Perhaps it could help you if you used the more usual name "past progressive" or "past continuous" for the form "I was working" and "present perfect continuous" or "present perfect progressive" for "I have been working". The main point he

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Could it have anything to do with public opinion? Could it have anything to do with freedom of expression? Could it be that nothing like it happened in the previous 232 years?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Good grief. "How are you?" "Poorly." That's considered dialectal/nonstandard. "How's the tea?" "Tepidly."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Auncle, or Pibling - parent's sibling, and parallel to nibling.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Not me, since I never knew her in the first place. | Reportedly only 2 of her 20 films made money. There's no shortage of famous German Veras, the first that comes to mind may also be known beyond Germany, generally known as Veruschka,

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 4 Hours ago by: CDB

Ooh, a new word needed! Nauncx? Auntyeme?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

I'm not that copacetic.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

That is simply not true. Consider PTD: he has been here forever, it seems, and people still react negatively to his outrageousnesses. Bad reactions to yours will continue until you learn better, or everyone killfiles you. Liste

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Last night, watching a TV program, two different women said "oh em gee". The program is a Canadian production set in Toronto. They were mothers at a party for one mother's child's first birthday.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

And who can forget the beautiful Vera Hruba Ralston? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whslTp-Oe7g And the late Dave Hatunen.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Did I say that? Read again. My reproach is not about the misunderstanding, but about the way they handle it: "instant lifelong ban is merited". In MY worldview, misunderstandings are there to be cleared up (ask for explanation; point o

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

There was a supporting character in _The Cafe_ who said it as an intitalism, with emphasis. Some here may be pleased to learn that I have had no success in my search for a Youtube clip of her. I used to wish Bear Spray were legal,

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

Exactly how I came to my conclusion, except that I said "use" instead of the admittedly more elegant "force".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

That "far" looks like an adverb to me. It modifies "[are] going", no?

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

I worry sometimes that someone will ask me to explain; I might have forgotten it myself in the meantime. [] LlapGoch, wasn't it?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] Pagwell has quite a lot of villages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Branestawm

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 5 Hours ago by: CDB

That "far" looks like an adverb to me, modifying

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: CDB

The Mudge does it. Can't make em out, sometimes. Back in the day, one could wait for someone to respond in the hope that a second cryptic remark would make things clearer. And be prepared to take some punches without hitting bac

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: CDB

Good point, but the F is "seo" and the N is "thaet".

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: CDB

Maybe not exactly the same, but "she/her" is sometimes used instead of "it", probably by some of the same people who say "them apples". Give 'er another try, she's still flooded.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: CDB

That's hilarious! They've censored the word 'Squaw' and left 'Tit' as is. "Hoser" isn't particularly unfriendly - more jocular, like. There seems to be a lot of confusion about these terms: I remember a neighbour who used to use "t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: Hibou

The response from unbelievers to "OMG" could be "OYG?" (Oh your god?), to be pronounced as one pleases. I suggest as a word: Oyg.

Re: keep them guessing (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 6 Hours ago by: CDB

I checked to see whether M-W had called it an idiom (they had), because I don't really agree. It looks to me like a fairly straightforward way of saying "keep someone in a state of uncertainty".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Totally plausible, probably near Nether Chippings & Upper Chippings.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 7 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I have heard (young) people say "oh em gee".

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

One isn't a mass. And 'there will be more' is a misstatement. There have already been many more drone killings. (starting under Obama, I think) AFAIK individual killings by drone (if done by the USA) are still a matter that requires pre

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

'Time itself' is an obsolete concept. (for over a hundred years by now) Jan

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

You want straw?! to fix that!?

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

There's a hole in your boo kay. bill

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

They misunderstand you, and that's their fault? I think you're still in that phase where you think everyone else should worship at your shrine. Nobody else gets that sort of treatment. Why should you? bill

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Yes. Cheryl was a respected regular from day 1. Likewise James Hogg, who arrived at about the same time. Both now gone, unfortunately.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

When we moved from South Devon to Greater Manchester in 1954 our cat was extremely displeased with the move, and tried to get back, but it's a long way to walk. It disappeared for several months, but was eventually found about 50 km f

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

My computer is very fond of the letter l, and often puts one instead of m. Likewise with c as a substitute space.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Roads in the UK have a "the". "To get from London to Carlisle, take the M1 to the M45 junction, then the M45 to the M6, and continue to Carlisle." It's the same for lesser roads, like the A38 etc.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Stop being so genderist.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Better take that up with the Committee. Harsh? I dunno but committing mistakes and getting flak for it is standard procedure around here. Doesn't seem to change some poster(s?), they can't get enough of it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

He's been here fairly recently -- within the past six months, I would guess.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Indeed. I prefer 'curmudgeon'. (Exits stage left, grumping to self).

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

No, I don't think it's only in those places. I don't know in how many regions you have driven, but every North American region where I've driven had roads or highways called "the" something or another. I've crossed the border between B.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

I think that's far more complicated than necessary. "Good grief" is Charlie Brown's lament, in the comic strip Peanuts, when another character, or humans in general, completely fail to understand something. bill

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

This kinda English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wShL3lIkro

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I am unlearnable (to quote the late Franz Gnadiger) on the subject of English tenses and aspects. I studied, or have studied, or have been studying, the rules many times, and still I just don't understand them and cannot apply them corre

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Rich Ulrich

Thank you.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

Is that what actors do in native (small n) American productions, made for the home market and then exported? Why would they do that? It it what Americans do in quiz shows, when they are interviewed as experts, when they are journalists

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

He was. But I wasn't. And the names might have been fictional. Or slightly changed. Be that as it may, the point is that I was harshly attacked for what in reality was a minor issue, only because I am considered an outsider, not part o

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 11 Hours ago by: Rich Ulrich

Of mild AUE interest: Yes, that is properly quoted, word for word, phrase for phrase, with every comma. Not modern English. In the history of constitutional interpretation, that phrase about Militia was prominent in justifying the Cou

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The phrase comes from the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." We refer

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

In this area, it's "take I-4" and "take the East-West" or "take the 408" (the East-West Expressway is also SR 408). Traffic reports will say "traffic is heavy on I-4" and "traffic is heavy on the 408".

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Thank you. I don't know what experience you have, so I don't want to write sentences that might not accurately present your qualifications. I left out "hardware" because troubleshooting hardware implies locating and replacing defective

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Spot on, of course.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Good to see you here. Interesting, and still in existence in some dialects. The famous example in certain circles is something the poet Philip Levine, who was working at a zoo, heard from a black co-worker: "They feed they lion with t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

"You're listening to the product Of considerable neglect, But for a lousy one pound eighty, tell me, What did you expect?" -- 'Another Boring B-Side', Morris Minor and the Majors.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Mark Brader

It's only in southern California and southern Ontario that main roads get a "the". When you get to the border you're on I-5. Yeah, nice.

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Userme

This is amazing. Thank you very very much indeed. Thanks.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Wed, 18 May 2022 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT): (For reference Hibou's post was message if <t5vjr0$1abd$1 @gioia.aioe.org> ) I thought[1] the right to bear arms was a british thing, from "armorial bearings", and coat of arms being assoc

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

"Use of" would describe toubleshooting those devices using those devices. It would be better to write "I have extensive experience in toubleshooting problems with laptops, desktops, and smart phones". She could also include a seco

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Userme

Thank you very much for your reply and help. You wrote "includes the use.." but what I want to say is not to use but experince in troubles shooting the hardware or software issues of these devices. Thank you very much.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Stoat

Better out than in. For while I had a daily commute on I95 from New Haven (CT) to Madison. There was a sign saying 'Foxon', but I never saw the sign saying "Foxoff'. --brian

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

"Looks like you still got a lot of sheep to dip." "Nah, I done them sheep yesterday." Common in rural Australia, but definitely considered substandard. Rather less common in the cities.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It's already started. OK, only one Iranian general so far, but there will surely be more.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

The cat wasn't willing to move, right? At least twice I have changed addresses while being owned by a cat. Getting the cat to settle in the new place was a major problem, both times.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Perhaps, but they can strike one.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

His choosing that name continues to be a mystery. I would have guessed that Chuck is a name that one almost never encounters in England.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

There is, but people there don't pronounce Chuck to rhyme with chook.

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

If you want to offer a lady some wine, get one with a nice bookay.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Hi Jerry, good to have you back. While we're considering the history, it's worth pointing out that the whole _they/them/their_ pronoun set were originally demonstratives in their Scandinavian source language ("those (guys)"). Apparentl

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 17 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

If a grammar classifies "how" as a, say, "D7 word", the correctness of this depends on what else the grammar says about "D7 words" and whether this correctly describes a large part of English speech and texts. I think to unders

Re: part of closing statment for an interview (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

My hardware and software troubleshooting experience includes the use of Laptops, Desktops, Chrome books, and Smart phones.

Re: Ulster milkmaids (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

"thought to myself". Another option is just "thought". That was my experience in England and Ireland.

Re: One-syllable "mirror" redux (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

The words where Ken pronounces "or" with the "father" vowel probably line up pretty well with those where you pronounce it with the LOT vowel.

Re: One-syllable "mirror" redux (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

That's 'cause you're from New York. (The region where people say HAR-er, FLAR-ida, etc., is actually bigger than that.)

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

"That's what I've been saying all the time," unless you mean you're not going to say it any more. "That's what I've been saying" is probably more natural. And it's not what you said. I said "probably a few people" and you said "this g

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

But they don't. All of those answers are adjectives. (Some of them, such as "well", "ill", and "poorly" (rare in my country) look like adverbs, but the OED classifies them as adjectives in the senses we're talking about, which I think i

part of closing statment for an interview

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Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: Userme

++++ My hardware and software troubleshooting expeince, including Laptops, Dekstops, Chrombooks, and Smartphone. +++++ What I want to say that I have software and hardware experince in these devices: Laptops, Dekstops, and Smarphone. I Hav

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It should, considering how the coffin is carried.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Huh. I can't hear the e in `ue or the final kw, and the e in "merkw" sound like /a/ to me. I shouldn't have said "not anything like", though. Locally speaking, though, it's forbidden. "*Principle V. One Name for One Geographic Feat

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I used to have a "how to find me" page on my web site. Here are the instructions for getting to my house from the city centre. Head west on King Street, and keep going without any turns. (Just to keep you on your toes, the road keeps cha

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It's true that Google has multiple servers scattered around the world, and they don't always agree with one another.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Snidely

But I've seen plenty of new posters in AUE be accepted quickly. Alas, new posters have become a rare thing. At one time, I was a new poster. A few people have left me out of their killfiles for now, and at some point I may even be ad

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

There is another way of looking at this. Possibly the BBC is tired of stories about the "Partygate" leaks and wants to inform the British public that there are leaks in Washington, too, and about subjects that not nearly so much fun. ht

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

How very American of you. But I believe they had to invent the firearm first. /Anders, Denmark

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Garrett Wollman

I can, easily. Production errors of that type are quite common when typing. -GAWollman

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Pass. .... Less than the recipe calls for or than you think you'll need.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Quinn C

I hope you don't have an issue with the sociolinguistic observation that young women are the most innovative group when it comes to language. That's correct in principle, but my comment was taking into account that with "OMG", that sur

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Depending on the social context? About 90% of the people in my town. I think it's very widespread among non- standard speakers. I wouldn't call it an idiom. It's a variant that goes back to the Wycliffite Bible (1382), though when mo

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

As has been admitted, I don't cook. I did ask your question (or the question implied in your comment above) of the cook in residence. She gave me one of those looks that wives give husbands when husbands ask questions that need not hav

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

I'd think they had woken up to the finer detail now available from atomic clocks, and had re-calibrated time itself. As if!

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Perhaps not really a bug: Search 5 ml in fl oz 7.047e+14 fluid ounce "5 ml in fl oz" 0.16907 fluid ounce And under the first box is 'cubic mile" in the first search and milliliter in the second search.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

I'm glad you apparently never say "Put them in your pipe and smoke it!."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

I thought Bob's your uncle? /Anders, Denmark

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Not in my informal conversations...

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Perhaps a thinko, but I can't imagine its being a typo.

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Nah, a bookay issa bunchuv flars. As ane fule kno.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

I think that also was the idea behind "We're Only in It for the Money", the third studio album by the Mothers of Invention, released on March 4, 1968 by Verve Records, which satirized the Beatles' album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hea

Re: One-syllable "mirror" redux (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Testing an idea for generating a random signature.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

[big gap] A recent puzzle was why the BBC promoted to its No. 1 news item some weeks ago a leaked draft judgement of the American Supreme Court on the matter of whether abortion was covered by their constitution. I mean - as a British

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Snidely

On Wednesday, Ruud Harmsen pointed out that ... No, it was YOUR misunderstanding. It was clear that Peter was talking about HIS friends (clear to me, even though I don't know those friends and only know Peter through his postings) and

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

Funny. I get "0.169070114 US fluid ounces" with that query, also in an "incognito" window". Can it be an Ozzie localization issue? (I take it you do not VPN to some other, exotic place in order to mislead Google) /Anders, Denmark

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

It seems to me that 'how' in 'how are you?' is an interrogative adverb, so any good one-word answer must have adverbial force.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] Very well done stuff; George Harrison was involved (in both groups). non-naked url: Cheese & Onions! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePaHG6g7uFw Yellow Submarine Sandwich (there, back to a Crusty old topic)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 20 Hours ago by: Snidely

In AUE terms, many of us remember The Omrud. /dps

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

(said in between swigs) Weez a musta' be monitorin' them thur kondirz kayirfleee?

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Yes. It's quite common in England. It may be regional, but I think it's more of a non-regional uneducated usage.

keep them guessing

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

keep (someone) guessing idiom Definition of "keep (someone) guessing" : to make it impossible (for someone) to know what will happen next The many twists and turns in the plot will keep readers guessing until the las

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

Sure - but the quantity in a heaped spoonful, in volume terms, will vary according to the surface area of the spoon's brim, and to a lesser degree according to the shape too. I just want to know what volume is being called for so I can

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

[the perfectly ordinary expression "oh, my God"] Evidence of some sort of uniqueness or exclusivity? I'm sure TC is flattered by your imitation. Is it the imitation or the flattery that's sincere?

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: musika

Yes, he obviously meant to type "them thar condors..."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

So Americanisms are another thing you're not up on. It is not pronounced as an initialism; it is simply "oh, my God!" expressing incredulity. If you hadn't thoroughly scrubbed the context, you would have seen that it was a reaction to

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Cats richly repay Staff with cuddles and rubs and purrs and antics.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Maybe he used to be. He has visibly declined over the past year or so. No quarrel there. Right. Ignore the follow-up, because you're afraid to see it.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

[Squaw Tit objectionable in part] ? What's wrong with "tit"? It's the usual dairy farmer's word for udder (usually spelled teat, but pronounced tit), and regularly occurs in crossword puzzles to name a small bird. The hilarity is rich

Re: Ulster milkmaids (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The Mary/marry/merry merger prevails, alas, in most of the US. (For those afflicted by it -- you know who you are -- dairy is Mary and Derry is merry.) It claims a lot more territory than the cot/ caught merger. I recently met someon

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Exactly.

Re: Order of meanings in dictionaries (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

(Will Stefan see this?) No, "central and often the most commonly sought meanings" does not mean 'with the /current/ meaning listed first'. AHD abandons objectivity (it was created in reaction to the M-W Third International, which was

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Snidely

Yeah, but giving Google's number too much weight is something even an English major can understand. /dps

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I had completely forgotten a phrase I have used often; "How do ya like them apples?", which has a meaning something like "So there!", or "Put that in your pipe and smoke it!'.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

Supersedes: <them-20220518202048@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |Now look at them yo-yos |that's the way you do Dire Straits The attributive demonstrative them as in "She likes them apples" or "I love them shoes" can be found in Urban AAV

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Still keeping up appearances, I see.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Yes. It's quite common in informal conversation, especially when speaking of sports teams. "How about them Maple Leafs, eh?"

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

To be fair, most of that comes from one eccentric (see, I can be polite too).

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

All my cats have already known how to say that, but I am not fluent in Cat.

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Garrett Wollman

I would honestly take it as a typo. -GAWollman

Re: California condors (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Paul Carmichael

¿? It's not a variant, it's a pronoun. "Them condors" is just plain wrong. Unless you are saying "I called them condors. Was I correct?"

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

That's hilarious! They've censored the word 'Squaw' and left 'Tit' as is. It's a pretty good bet that non-Yurok folks will not be calling it that.

California condors

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them". The "them" variant of "those" has an implication of close down home intimacy. Permissible to an Old Californiano

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

The first time I heard (or perhaps saw) that, I thought it was pretty funny. Prior to that, I had only heard it as a reference to a penis.

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

bi-eww-kay ?

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

You made me jump!

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

No it doesn't. That's quite misleading. Young women (& men for that matter) may produce a great number of phrases and expressions, but the vast majority of them vanish as quickly as they arise. Often that transience is part of their app

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

<mild swerve> I rewatched the Beatles parody last night. "The Rutles: All you need is cash" It included a lot of parody songs written & performed by Neil Innes. Not a one of them would have been out of place in the Lennon/McCartney c

Re: Ulster milkmaids (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

To some Americans, yes. But not to me. It's like Mary, merry, marry. They are different to me. My son's name is Larry. Back when he was 12 or so, we used to live next to a couple who came from the midwest. They pronounced his name to

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Ahh! That's a definite trill. Thanks.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Before Prince Charles and Diana had their first child, some wag suggested they call the little one 'Upton', so that everyone could refer to the family by their nicknames, 'Up, Chuck, and Di'.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

need for Whereas you Usanians clearly are not. (We have ample evidence for this.)

Re: Order of meanings in dictionaries (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Collins Cobuild was, I believe, the first dictionary to do what you describe in a really systematic manner, based on a corpus. The "terrifying" meaning doesn't even make the cut: <https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ter

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: lar3ryca

oops... Forgot to mention. I was in Vancouver. It's not on I-5, but I did not tell him that it was. At the border, the I-5 becomes Hwy 99. After crossing the Fraser River, Hwy 99 becomes Oak St. Coming down the hill At about West 8th

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ruud Harmsen

That's what I said all the time. The "not one of us" effect. Very human, very understandable, very fundamental, but also the root of racism, violent nationalism, hate wars like Putin's, hate against LGBT people, etc. So I will keep protes

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: charles

cats treat all humans as servants.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

No comment.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

Well, with the difference I was pointing out: Italian dropped the meaning of the "beef" part.

Ulster milkmaids

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

It occurred to me that to some Americans, "Derry Girls" sounds the same as "Dairy Girls". How unfortunate. That reminds me again how I heard an ad for the shaving equipment seller Harry's and thought to me "They're pronouncing it weird. I

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: charles

probably twinned with "Loose Chippings" in the UK

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

The point is that young women do such things 20-30 years earlier than anyone else. They get criticized for it, but eventually, the world catches up to them.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

In German, we have "steaks" from pork, veal, deer, but also from turkey and chicken, tuna and even celeriac. Maybe a chicken steak should better be called "steak-fried chicken".

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

It's pronounced "boo kay", you know.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

Ohhhh...that "evidence" thing. You Brits are hung up on the need for evidence. Is it any coincidence that threads throughout the years in a.u.e. have focused on what is and what is not a sandwich? And "subs", which invariably has led

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Many years ago I did. The first house we bought (in 1971) came with a cat already in residence. Before that there were at least two cats when I was a child. Both were a long time ago.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Sam Plusnet

From which I deduce that you do not share accommodation with cats.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Sam Plusnet

The wrong word is being used here. Servants get paid.

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

I could have mentioned that although the noun cadaver is one I nevee use, the adjective cadaverous is an ordinary word for me.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ken Blake

I thought perhaps you meant "reputedly."

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ken Blake

Also for things like wine or olive oil. By the way, in the US, it's normally called a "heaping" teaspoon, not "heaped."

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Sam Plusnet

Mostly the same here, but they quite often say "Linctus" on the bottle.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ken Blake

By the way, in NYC (maybe in other parts of the US too), a hot dog is sometimes known as a "tube steak."

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ken Blake

Interesting. I know the words "bistecca" and "tacchino," but I've never seen "bistecca di tacchino." I wouldn't call any part of a turkey a "steak." Or, for Russian cannibals, Putinsteak.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Sam Plusnet

In reply to Hibou Surely "OMG" is an exclamation one would expect from a "Valley Girl"[1], not a senior citizen in NJ? [1] Not to be confused with a South Wales "Valley Girl" - which is a very different thing altogether.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Ken Blake

The other animal would have to be an herbivore. Put a carnivore in front of a steak and it would turn around and eat it.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’_‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Quinn C

I find it remarkably close to what I'd make of the spelling without further instruction. Having names in two languages for a geographic feature is not at all unusual, globally speaking, so yes.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Sam Plusnet

(Of When I'm sixtyfour.) Fair enough, but is any evidence that Paul McCartney knew of aue when he wrote the song - in 1967?

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days ago by: Richard Heathfield

He is also mistaken. Athel is a clever man who missed a joke. Seen the joke I may have done, but as clever as he I is doubt I am. Good luck with that.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Plusnet

No. Your meaning, and the riff on the words of the song, were perfectly clear if read in context. Anyone having a problem following it must have wandered in part way through the thread - or simply lacked the skills to understand that

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I knew (knew of, at least. I never met him) a Leonard who went by Chico (pronounced CHICK-O, by the way, not CHEEK-o), supposedly because he was always chasing after chicks. I known several men named Charles who went by "Chuck.."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Plusnet

You go where the stories are.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Plusnet

It's a long time since I was there for longer than the duration of a funeral, so anything after the 1960s would escape my ears. Conversation at/after funerals doesn't tend to revolve around armpits, in my experience.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Speaking of town names, I once drove through Bastardo, in Umbria, Italy.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Sam Plusnet

I'm still looking for Gwasanaethau. It appears on the road signs, but I can never find the town.

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

[corpse, [dead] body] I know why you used the word "bucket".

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Train your cat to say "Jeeves, open the door--NOW!"

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

"Zero chance" might just possibly be an overstatement, but I doubt it. You're probably right.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

[Sorry, piggybacking. This is not the moment for me to see whether T-bird will work again on my superannuated computer.] "nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands." E. E. Cummings, "somewhere i have never travelled,gladly beyond

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You're just sore that Heathfield got his bitchy comment in before you got your equally good one in.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... You mean there's an Internet where I can find answers to such questions? However, that page didn't load for me. Here's another one https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2022/may/13/yurok-tribe-petitions-federal-government-change-lo/ which

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: CDB

[...] You also get "Chip", and I have heard of one "Charlesie" - no, two: one was a housemate for a while, and the other is a Canadian journalist (she spells it "Charlsie", I believe). If I were going to take on another pup

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: occam

And you are as bitchy as ever. Stop it Daniels.

Order of meanings in dictionaries

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: Stefan Ram

I heard that the AHD was, when it was first published, to be a "new" kind of dictionary, where the meanings of a word were /not/ listed in historical order (as in Webster's), but with the /current/ meaning listed first. Please allo

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 1 Hour ago by: CDB

Probably, outside of football (2 kinds) and Canada. We would probably say "prime-ministership"*, because a Premier is the First Minister of a province. _____________________________ *Without the hyphen, Microsoft Bing brags of 1

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Kind of funny. Fifteen or twenty years ago, a.u.e was a haven for obscure references and cryptic connections. CDB might be the only person who still does that a lot, though I'll indulge myself once in a while. Communication--brace you

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

All your base are belong to us.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Some now are.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

No kan do.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

With them. "Er", in Dutch, no plural.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Clocks have, but they can't grab anything with it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

When I get older losing my hair Many years from now Will you still be sending me a Valentine Birthday greetings bottle of wine If I'd been out till quarter to three Would you lock the door Will you still need me, will you still feed me

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: CDB

Oh noes! is the law retroactive?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: CDB

owls are so obsessed with categories, you'd think they were mice. I believe what Peter meant by "good grief" is that "good" is an adjective in that phrase and also in an American response to "howya doin'?": in that case, it's an adjec

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

I know a Charles who goes by "Chick". I've also seen "Chig" in a short story. Othello often addresses Desdemona as "chuck". We can call you Charlie if you want.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

:-) Begin was the prime minister. The presidency of Israel is a ceremonial job, and people outside the country don't hear about the president much. It's still a good story. Obaue: Is there a word that is to "prime minister" as "presi

Re: Corpses vs Bodies (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Yes, thanks! And going one level up <http://w3.usf.edu/FreeAssociation/> gives the links to the files themselves.

Re: Smart (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

What about two-word comments? Could you clarify your position on those?

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Wow, Even Heathfield is more clever than Athel.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

Not even the rain has hands.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That's simply what Athel does. Best to ignore him until he drops a gratuitous insult into an unrelated thread. Or, as repeatedly in this thread, an uncomprehending insult.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

JUST KEEP YOUR DAMN LIES TO YOURSELF. You still don't grasp that I was, and am, not familiar with the lyrics of the song? And thereafter wandered the world, ultimately finding sanctuary in Marseilles.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What do you imagine anyone should have said?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Good grief.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It certainly is when it's an actor trying to be believed as an American character. "Context" refers to the discourse, not to the life-situation. Since the underlying premise is nonsensical. Contrasting "Britons" with "Americans" r

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Yes, you're probably right. I was forgetting that cats have servants.

Smart

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

In this group, everything must always be spelled out in minute detail, and explained and introduced and explained again, and referred to. Otherwise they will misunderstand, and blame the contributor for it. It is strictly forbidden here to

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The "Wild West" was invented by the novelist Owen Wister (*The Virginian*) and the (mostly short-story) writer Zane Grey. It filled the niche later filled by SF -- escapist fantasy set in an imaginary world. Sure, Billy the Kid and W

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Um ... since I had no idea that there were people in a song with the same set of names ... (I was trying to find a phrase the names could turn into, shaggy-dog/Frank Muir style). Shirley, there's a Liverpool somewhere in Australia?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I have never ever made any comment about Peter Moylan's friends. How could I? I don't know them, I don't even know him. It was a misunderstanding of the stoning mobs here, as I have explained several times already. He didn't, and I did

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I was thinking specifically of what they did to Nauru. It's more NZ that hangs on to island groups (and gets money by printing worthless stamps for each of them). In that category, Aus seems only to have Cocos (Keeling) Islands and C

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

"Maple Peak" makes sense. Something unpronounceable by well over 300,000,000 Americans would be unwise. (Are they interested in tourist dollars? Does CA have "Indian casinos"?)

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: occam

I think I know their two of the servants' names: Mr Moylan, Mrs. Moylan. (There may be others.)

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Silvano

Similar to Italian, then. Differences: 1) We have naturalized "steak" and call it "bistecca". 2) If it's not beef, we add the name of the other animal behind, not in front: "bistecca di tacchino". Just for you: Putensteak.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

I fear there are many people who believe in the replacement conspiracy, at least sometimes; they may or may not be assholes (I think of assholery in terms of behaviour, not essence), but if they are not deranged they will not kill

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Quinn C

The word "Beefsteak" exists in German, too, but it wasn't naturalized much - it's written exactly as in English, pronunciations vary a bit, but mine is pretty close to the English one - and it always refers to beef. In my time at least,

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Quinn C

It's confusing - sometimes it does, sometimes not. I get lots of those from other sites, too. I think in most cases it's based on them not recognizing your browser (cookies and other hints they use to personalize their offers.) Similar

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

I'll quote the first paragraphs, though: "I allegedly think" too, why not. But with some notable exceptions. I think there is quite a lot of racial dislike about, at a level insufficient to persuade non-DAs to murder their fello

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

When I spent a sabbatical eight months in Chile in 1985–1986 we often had visits to the campus from the police, and occasionally from the army. They used a lot of tear gas, which was completely pointless as there is no wind at all i

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Slightly less standard in Australia. We did use the word, but retained a consciousness that it was really a word from England. When I first heard the song words Just for kicks I ride out through the night My bird hangs on

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

Names of the working class. "Chuck" is not a diminutive but a nickname, an old endearment related to "chick". In the Howard Pyle version of the Robin Hood stories they addressed each other as "sweet chuck" quite a lot, meani

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Never throw a hand grenade at an elephant. He might throw it back, Jan <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/28/girl-dies-rabat-zoo-elephant-morocco>

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

In my earliest experiences of Belgium I was amazed to see how many roads went from Uitrit to Sortie.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Lewis

They’re not even in the top ten of least trusted for me, not that I trust them, of course.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Lewis

Yes, but it wasn't for a century or so. That one is iffy. The Hobbit was written by Bilbo, and he had reason to conceal certain aspect of the ring because of the influence of the Ring. The Lord of the Rings was written by several peopl

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Lewis

Just because TraitorTrump says he's smart does not mean anyone else says so. There is zero chance he has an IQ of 120, much less higher.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I've only heard it occasionally --- the subject doesn't come up in a lot of conversations.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Science says no. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping#Scientific_study> Those are all very good.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Fair point, mass migration into bodies of water does happen (as I mentioned elsewhere), just not off a cliff.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 6 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I assumed the bigger insurance companies (at least) would have the resources --- definitely the motivation --- to work out accidents per mile by gender back then, but ICBW. Well, if you live really close to the liquor store you might

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

So you can count. Great! We don't exactly appear here because we enjoy math.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Arindam Banerjee

There are those with just enough wits to be jealous.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: Arindam Banerjee

Wow, a wiki worshipper, what a surprise. Facts do not concern the wiki quoting moron. Wiki was created for small, lazy minds, what. No fool like a deliberately blind fool. The Chinese are practical.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Long ago I saw an American visitor to Europe with a phrase book: 'How to chat up a bird in ten languages'. I never learned if he had had any successes with using it. But he may have picked up the book while passing through Britain, Jan

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

None, obviously. But the cats have several.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

But why? By all accounts the US is full of racists.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

How many servants do you have? Somehow I hadn't pictured you as having a butler and a team of lesser servants.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Only after you had made the silly comment about Peter's friends. However, you can comfort yourself with the thought that the world's greatest expert on writing systems considered that it was OK to express your ideas in the wrong order

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

More than occasionally, in my experience in England in the 1960s. If someone said he had been to a party the previous evening, the standard question to ask was "Any good birds?"

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Certainly, why not? From E. beafsteak, ultimately from Latin trough medieval French. The 'stuk' part got conflated from 'steak' with Dutch 'stuk' = 'part of', as in 'lendestuk'. But in the meantime other imported variants (T-Bone, Rib E

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

That seems to have been too difficult for PTD.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated with scepticism.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

In Germany 'Ausfahrt' seems a very popular village, it's signposted from all major roads.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

This is the big gap where you fail to address Americam imperialism. Fair enough. We seem to focus on the Ukraine & Boris, though Strange Going Ons in the US intrude, I think mostly because Brit reporters would like a job in

Re: the mind within (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: Snidely

Because it's amusing trivia. Remember to get your game card when you enter. /dps

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

I tried elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81skara%27s_wheel (long discredited) There must be about 2 born every minute by now.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: Snidely

Just this Sunday, lar3ryca explained that ... For a common routing, but it's an incomplete answer for anywhere in the Bay Area, as I-5 avoids that blob, and turns away towards Sacramento. You can probably figure out a way to complete the

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

https://krcrtv.com/north-coast-news/eureka-local-news/yurok-tribe-calls-for-changing-offensive-mountain-peak-name bill

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 10 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

"Biefstuk" in Dutch. In use in my parents' house in the 1950s. I have no idea whether it's current Dutch usage. bill

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 10 Hours ago by: Hibou

So I did make a mistake, but not about 'fine'. 'Good' here is a noun, not an adjective.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

The sound quality of that version is not good enough so you can hear it. "Grrrandchildren on yerrr knee." In that remastered version it is audible, from 1:48: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTunqv1Xt4&t=1m48s No. Just the sound quali

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

It has. But it warns anyway. Just to be on the safe side.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Bullets weren't invented yet back then. Pity.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

I apologise in advance. Lacking time, I am going to reply selectively. Well, it isn't a question of learning to talk like an American, but of observing how Americans talk. Listener are going to be sensitive to where that differs from

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

If you say so. The point is the mentality still seems to exist, and I'm talking here about differences in mentality and how they are expressed in language. So all those Westerns, of which several are still shown every day here on ter

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

Yes, it's rare in speech, but does crop up in political allocutions, for instance. Last night I watched the film 'Alice et le maire' (2019) on ARTE. In composing a speech, the mayor used « Il fut un temps » as a refrain.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 11 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

The first time I drove in the U.S. was in the late 1970s, during Menachem Begin's presidency of Israel. The first couple of times I drove on the I-5 and other freeways, I kept noticing signs that said "Begin Freeway", and I wondered why

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Common in England too, I think.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I said so, I mentioned the Beatles song repeatedly, and analysed the pronunciation in the song. This group is about English, or am I wrong? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&q=chook+fowler New South Wales.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Arindam Banerjee

No worries, mate, he was re-inventing the wheel of Bhaskaracharya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?vPAag0J0Qe4&t12s Which even you can do with a bicycle wheel and soda bottles. It does prove my new physics. Incidentally you can buy free

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Is Sherlock Holmes surviving at Reichenbach Falls a retcon? How about the revisions to Bilbo's finding the Ring?

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Arindam Banerjee

Modern USA that, as we see, after 71 years. Rest of the world is not far behind.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Linz (Amethyst Deceiver) was from: Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Tue, 17 May 2022 19:11:11 -0600: There was some vietnamese restaurant + male meat joke (not the some young guy and dumb fuck soup one, another one) but if i knew it i've forgotten it. "Ethnics"

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Sorry, I meant to write repeatably. Repeatedly is a different word.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new test is invented.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to see that there are three different anti-vaccination parties competing, one of them being the best-financed party in our history.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It's a pity that we've lost so many local informants over the years. AUE used to have a regular, I recall, who lived in Wet Yorks.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

There's a possum that occasionally runs along our fences, but it's never tried to get into the house. The way our cats get into the house, when they can't get a servant to open a door, is through the garage window, which we leave open du

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Thanks. It's hard to remember all the detail from back then. I see that Google now requires me to log in to access the archives. That's getting a little further from the original intent of DejaNews. Further, Google has just sent me a "

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Wow. That number 3 probably dropped out of use before my father was born. But we did occasionally refer to women as "birds" in the 1960s.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

My post quoted Ruud mentioning the song "When I'm sixty-four". Ruud's post was the immediately preceding one in the thread, so hard to miss. Is the confusion because some people don't read the posts in thread order? Athel seems to have

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I wonder what they count. When I search for "one euro note" (with quotes), I am told there are "About 14,800 results (0.64 seconds)". When I look at "Images for 'one euro note', I see that there are a LOT of them. I gave up counting at

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It's true that some Pacific islanders see Australians as arrogant imperialists, but Australia's big mistake in the Solomon Islands affair was to cut foreign aid. An even bigger factor was that parts of the Solomons were getting significa

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

linctus: new word for me. I would say 'cough syrup.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Two Asian ladies newly arrived in New York City, stop for lunch at a hot dog stand, and each orders a hot dog. The first one unwraps hers, gasps, and says to the other one "What part of the dog did you get?"

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

OK. TBH I would have expected a trilled 'r' if it was an attempt at a Scots accent. Basically, I still can't differentiate it from the rest of the vocals, accent-wise.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Some here will remember Charles Riggs. While he lived in Ireland, he was an American. He had been living in Ireland when I first encountered him here in a.u.e. He posted as "Chuck Riggs" and at other times as "Charles Riggs". https:/

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Yes, you were missed. Surely everyone has heard of the knights who pronounce it that way. I've only ever heard "nay" in English, but I can well imagine variants in other places.

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Are you suggesting that there weren't 38 results in total? Try counting them yourself; for so few results it takes only a few seconds. The answer varies by location, of course, and probably other factors. Today there were only 35 result

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

You can't fool me. Elephants have no hands.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

If it's water, the meniscus should decide for you. We have a few different designs of teaspoon, and a few of those plastic 5ml spoons that come with cough linctus etc. The teaspoons vary quite a lot in size, but they are all smaller th

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Just imagine English-speaking tourists trying to figure out what "male meat" is.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

A heaped teaspoonful is repeatedly reliable for dry granular stuff like sugar or salt. It is useless for moist materials, or powdery things like flour.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

There is a hint of it in the line: "grandchildren on y're knee" That "y're" sounds like an imitation of a Scots accent. I don't know where "Chuck" came from. It isn't a diminutive form of Charles that I've ever heard in BrE.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

If you tip your waiter for a glass of milk, I'm not sure they share the tips that widely.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You don't have cable/satellite, but you feel qualified to tell me what my choices are? The basic cable package with my provider includes Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN. I have no choice. There are seventyeleven other channels (that are not

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Quinn C

I see. I considered myself "familiar with the ten commandments", but couldn't have told you a donkey was in this one, so maybe by your standards, I fail that test, too. As would 90% of my son's generation, I expect.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Quinn C

It's rarely used in German as well. Really? Ah ... as we can see there, every other tradition merges this with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" or doesn't count it as part of the set at all. Talk in the form of "the 6th com

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

It's classic wokeism. If you do not agree 100% with my world view, you are by definition a racist, misogynist, thisphobe, thatphobe and theotherphobe, and death is too good for you.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

In round figures, I think of a fl. oz. as 30ml. If I concentrate, I come up with 28.5ml. It won't matter, at a cookery level of precision. My small-volume cooking ingredient measures are calibrated in ml, but I still get baffled by reci

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

For English, some phonetic notations (Wells in the LPD) employ the symbol "e" as in: "dress" [dres] "bed" [bed] . Other notations use [ɛ] (the Kenyon and Knott system) or [ᴇ] (Luciano Canepari) there.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Wrong end of the stick, as usual. You cannot NOT have $3 of your monthly cable bill go to Fox News, whereas if you don't choose to get MSNBC, it doesn't get any payment from you. I'd guess that CNN has a similar deal to Fox News, beca

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Someone seems not to have kept up with South Pacific current events.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I don't suppose Heathfield is open to listening to an account that lasts seven and a half minutes (gasp!) that puts Carlson -- with audio quotes -- in the context of the racist "replacement theory" that T**** was espousing in mid 2016,

Re: the mind within (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

And you are declaring this to the world, why?

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

And you can count any better?

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Thank you! Yes. Dad never studied French, and liked to pronounce French words with comically English sounds. And of course it's how we got the pronunciation of "retiree", etc. Well, monopthongal /e/ exists in your native language,

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Do you really think that elephants are hand grenade proof? Jan

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

Maybe several other languages under the Sun. Thank you. It went well enough.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You can only get Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC by subscribing to some cable- or satellite-provided service or to something like YouTube which you will pay for. The cable/satellite channels get a "carriage fee". Dunno about YouTube. You've us

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output: https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022 and one for the Canadians

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

"I have known them" or "I've known them", even in the U.S. A very difficult point for speakers of many languages. This is not /completely/ irrelevant. In Hebrew it's "the ten sayings" (`aseret ha-dibrot or `aseret ha-divrey, the for

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I would ask for evidence of that, but I figure it's pointless to ask that of someone who sees racists everywhere he looks.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] At least they haven't (so far) started out on their own imperialism. []

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Welcome back from me, too.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... Thank you.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

You must have seen few Brexit cartoons, Jan

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... Thank you both! It's good to be back.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Allegedly.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

The last time I read the ten commandments was probably in the early 50s, probably a short time before I stopped going to 'Sunday School' and/or church. From that faded memory, I seem to recall that it was something like 'Thou shalt n

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

You don't really want to know what one of them looks like; it's some bare lot with cattle stocked, fed & watered at a "best yield" optimum. Battery farming. Ranch sounds much nicer, doesn't it?

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

It's easy if you try. In the UK we are "blessed" by a presenter duo called 'Ant and Dec'. I don't think there's an Antalogue, and a Catalogue is something else. A Monologue is just one long commandment?

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

cement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign> >> Of course not. When a test is invented it has to be calibrated, by setting the average -for a particular sample- to 100. There is no guarantee that the average for other samples must be

Re: Find Local Singles Women Near Me Dating for Sex

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

Someone who is interested in singles sex has no need to contact anyone a all.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e., it

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

It sounds like you've been listening to CTV news from Canada. I don't know if it's the entire national news team, or just the illiterates in the Regina outlet that do it, but they have a habit of misusing alleged. "The robber fled the

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Where, precisely, do you hear that? I Listened to the version at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTgbWmaxu5s but could not detect anything like that all the way from "Every summer we can rent..." I imagine it's because I am not familiar

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Is the television show "Vera" still being aired in the UK? "Vera Stanhope" is a Detective Chief Inspector in the Northumberland & City Police and is played by Brenda Blethyn. We've watched several episodes and found it a good watch.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

I lived in Derbyshire (near the border with Yorkshire) for my first couple of decades, and never came across it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Silvano

Yes, if it's made from beef. Usually, it is. No, if it's made from another kind of meat.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Snidely

My thoughts exactly! /dps "Let's not scare him away"

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Snidely

Are we to understand that no elephants ever entered? /dps

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Snidely

From when I was 7, visiting relatives, I remember that tall apartment buildings might have a parking lot, such as where I tried out my toy Isetta. /dps

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

https://people.howstuffworks.com/why-is-chuck-short-for-charles-and-dick-short-for-richard.htm Didn't know that, about Chuck, I mean. Bob/Robert, Dick/Richard I did know about. The answer of course: siblings struggling with difficult p

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Peter was talking about his friends. If you were talking about something else, why not say so?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

It was mentioned just a few posts earlier, with links to Youtube and to the lyrics. You people don't read the threads in thread order? I haven't seen the word or name Fowler mentioned in this thread. And I'm not even sure what it mean

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Actually, I thought Peter Moylan might have been unfamiliar with Northern English British accent, and therefore thought he might have heard Chook for what I think is Chuck. In the song, that is. A really vile, mean and aggressive though

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I had no idea what he was referencing, but I had no trouble understanding that Ruud did know what he was referencing and gave the form found in that source. That seems to have been too difficult for AC-B. Ah. There are enough hints t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: charles

I've only knwn one Vera, but it ws probably a common watime name after Vera Lyn - the singer. I have a cousin David and kow at leat 3 others.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

No. You have to order MSNBC and pay for it, as part of some package or other. They only get your $3 or so if you have asked to pay it. And misinformation.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: occam

Jerry, welcome back!

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Because I had already answered it, illiterate moron. And stupidity.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The the Tenth Commandment applies vacuously. Uh-oh, we must have a Fake Lar3 to go with Fake Blake, who asked plaintively, "Is that a real commandment?"

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You're not really suggesting that lar3 is capable of irony, are you? KJV. Exod 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_I%27m_Sixty-Four =In 1967, John Lennon said of the song, "Paul wrote it in the Cavern days. We just stuck a few more words on it like 'grandchildren on your knee' and 'Vera, Chuck and Dave' … this was

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

The (former) Cabaret de l'Enfer in Montmartre? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabaret_de_L%27Enfer> (Demolished in 1950 so the Monoprix next door could expand. I didn't know about the Cabaret at the time, but I have shopped in that Mon

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I know them since childhood ("De Tien Geboden"), but not this word Dekalog. I recognised the Greek elements, of course, and guessed the meaning. Confirmed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekalog The Ten Commandments.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Imagine someone not familiar with irony. It's clear that it's not a real commandment because the neighbor is a she. For the writers of the Bible, a woman couldn't be a neighbor in her own right, only a neighbor's wife.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Welcome back! When you say "pronounce 'nee'", do you mean /ni/? Is that really an option? I'm likely to pronounce it with a French accent (as /ne/ instead of /neI/.)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Variant of haze, with that common Germanic r/z alternation? English: lose, lost, lost German: verlieren, verloren, verloren Dutch: verliezen, verloren, verloren. Cf. archaic English forlorn. Dutch: oksel. Similar.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMEAxlYL04 I look at you all ... I look at the ??? and I see it needs sweeping. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-lm&q=while+my+guitar+full+lyrics Floor. I look at the world and I notice it's

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Indeed I don't. Should I look it up? I should: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/chook =noun 2. Also called: chookie Australian informal a hen or chicken 3. Australian informal a woman, esp a more mature one =

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I believe you. But the persons mentioned in the Beatles song are likely to be called Vera, Chuck and Dave. That's all I was saying. Perhaps misunderstanding you, not getting that they were really called that. And that should be reason

Re: What is 'great replacement' theory

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: JAB

On another note From a soul perspective (RE: God), souls are independent of race. Astral plane topic, which has been around for a very long time, suggests humans have a soul. From popular music, a soul can travel outside of their bo

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

That is certainly the case, and that fear and anger was reinforced over and over by people like, and primarily in this case, Fucker Carlson preaching racism and hatred, something he's been doing for a long time along with the rest of th

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Absurd.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I'm talking about the song, and accents of British English.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

A US gallon is 231 cubic inch. 231 = 3×7×11. For conveniently sized gas tanks, in inches and feet? I used to know where the difference between the US and UK starts, somewhere at integer numbers. But I can't find it. Or no, that was with

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Imagine no PtD (Peter the Donkey). I won't look it up because I don't give a rat's ass.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Lewis

He's going to defend the racists and the xenophobes every time. This is how RH argues he himself is not a racists, despite espousing and defending racist positions. Not to Fucker Carlson and not to himself either. It it talks like a

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Lewis

Part of the gag? I think you need to look up the whole lemmings thing. This is a start: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Misconceptions>

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: bruce bowser

The point is, are his followers encouraged to be even more racist every time they hear him.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Perhaps more importantly, are they pronouns "nhw" and "eu'?

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Nice one, didn't know that. Mine, installed under Linux Mint (bases on Ubuntu/Debian) gives the US variant by default, and I don't how to specificy the other one. RTFM: "When British capacity units differ from their US counterparts, s

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: HVS

On 17 May 2022, Jerry Friedman wrote Although "ee" and "bah gum" remain in current use, I'm not sure how common it is these days to use the full "ee bah gum", other than as part of a "funny northerner" caricature. (Anecdotal dating poi

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Richard Heathfield

In my view your reply (cited in full above) is the most intelligent contribution to this thread so far.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... My father was fond of "né" in talking about de-Judaized names. If someone named Irwin Ormont was mentioned, Dad would say, "Né Goldberg." (I don't know how he would have written it, maybe "née" or "nee". I'm disturbed that

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: CDB

Ha! Including mine. When I started learning French, about 75 years ago, it was still part of the lesson.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Richard Heathfield

Clearly no doubt in your mind, then. If ever it is, the question will be whether Tucker Carlson is a racist and the answer will be 'yes', but until and unless we reach that point, the answer is 'insufficient evidence has been present

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: CDB

Smiths Falls, Ontario, has a road crossing under another road; I have taken it many times, since it is on the route from Ottawa to Kingston. It is clearly labelled "SUBWAY". I concede that I remember it because the usage struck m

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Rich Ulrich

This seems very similar to what I resolved (to my own satisfaction) when considering whether Donald Trump is racist. A phrase he (and his son) have used is, "not a racist bone" in his body. Essence. A Black icon, a Congressman who d

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

Of course the same is true of CNN and MSNBC. The difference is that Fox News had better negotiators.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

No, the question is whether or not there is "evidence" that Tucker Carlson is a racist, and - more specifically - if the evidence is sufficient to convince you.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Jerry Friedman

And Yorkshire? My mother has a refrigerator magnet printed with a number of Yorkshire expressions, including "Ee by gum" too. (It's a gift from my older niece, who lived in Yorkshire for a few years.) The Internet confirms the impress

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

Can't both be the reason? Can't it be said that he's a deranged asshole who fixated on the Replacement Theory as the core of his anger? A deranged asshole without some theory of who the problem is, is just a harmless deranged asshole.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days ago by: CDB

I thought he spoke Russian and English. Welcome back. I hope all went swimmingly, except for the part on a river.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

.... I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly committed the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly deranged alleged asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not fussy. Most of those are examples

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Bebercito

That you can't describe it cohenrently is your problem.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: CDB

[der ewige Carlson] Englishums or Kornbluths. WP says he never brushed. I say that that is probably what gve him his fatal heart attack when he was in his thirties.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Silvano

Indeed. It's not redundant in Italian. Over there it's a certain kind of meat cut, not necessarily a cut of beef.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

No. I would also read it as milliliters. Yes.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

No. That particular restaurant in Berlin apparently did. In Italy, it's just called "bistecca."

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: musika

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

STOP REPEATING THAT LIE, AND READ THE FUCKING HEADER OF THE OTHER THREAD.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

An incredible comment from Ruud Harmsen! Typical of the reason he's killfiled here.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Jerry Friedman

I've quoted or misquoted that here. Evan Kirshenbaum gave an earlier version, from 1975. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/vCg6P1wZElA/m/2cTJSSySH84J

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: CDB

We had a candidate in the recent French election who was pushing the I'll quote the first paragraphs, though: It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, b

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And he hasn't died from Salmonella yet?

Re: What is 'great replacement' theory

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Richard Heathfield

Indeed you can't, but clearly question-begging is adequate to convince most people. I'm out.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Think not passé simple, but imparfait. (The archaic French terminology is incompatible with comparing phenomena.)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

In Germany they planted hamburgers and trees bearing lots of hamburgers grew? I hope they were rare. I don't like well-done hamburgers. Old McDonald had a hamburger farm?

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

I shall veer off here to post an amusing anecdote (well it was to me) that really happened, 'cos I Was There. Imagine a quiet fine summer's Sunday in Ireland. There we were cycling along, enjoying life, on a straight empty road (straigh

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Very nice -- since Hibou says that "already" is superfluous. For us, it makes a bald statement a little less direct. Shouldn't make any difference. No "regional" feeling about it. In translating from either French or German, a usefu

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Richard Heathfield

More question-begging. Okay.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Ruud probably doesn't know the Australian word "chook." It certainly looks like just a local pronunciation. (And without the "fowler" connection, there'd be no reason for the meaning to come into play.)

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

It's a very common saying, but one I completely disagree with. Nobody can avoid making assumptions. We all make them all the time. Everyone makes assumptions every second. Some assumptions are good to make, others are bad.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

OMG. The Bill of Rights was written in 1790. The "Wild West" never existed, but was created as a fantasy in the post-Civil War years -- the heyday being, say, the 1880s (when "Buffalo Bill" toured throughout Europe for years, giving ri

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

A "burro" is also a kind of Mexican food, although it's more commonly called a "burrito." And in Italian, burro," is the word for "butter."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You couldn't figure out that he was referring to the original that PM was comparing his list of friend's names to?

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Seldom and unusual, yes. But I still disagree that "99% of Americans and Canadians would not think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'." Again, it depends on the context. Also regardless of context, I think 99% is way too high a p

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: CDB

If, contrary to all good sense, they didn't want any Fox, I suppose they could say "Fox isn't a channel you can say you don't want (and be listened to)" or "Fox isn't a channel whose offer you can refuse".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Where do you _get_ this stuff? What you failed to recognize with your list of alternative vocabulary is that in fields where the technology (for instance) developed _after_ the divide between the languages, such as automobiles, the tw

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: CDB

Hidden depths. Isn't that a Welshwoman's hat he has on?

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it has to always be 100.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] []. No. But I can look stuff up to avoid looking foolish (though I exepct this has and will happen). https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/mars-climate-orbiter-team-finds-likely-cause-of-loss []

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Imagine no possessions.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

If your "We" includes the rest of the US for a change, we have both pedestrian overpasses and pedestrian underpasses. There is one of each within a few miles of where I live. The overpass is over I-4, but not near any park. The underp

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Rich Ulrich

Women would have tended to have far fewer accidents per driver in the 1970s because far fewer women had their own cars and the default driver (in almost any family) was male. Teenage boys, as a group, were already notable for excess a

Anybody Have a Good Joke?

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mack A. Damia

Mrs Jones was kayaking off the coast of Maine but she capsized and was lost at sea. Coast guard came to her house and said,”Mr Jones we have some bad news and some great news.” He says,”what’s the bad news?” They replied,”well we fou

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

In _your_ cities? The context was that AmE doesn't have a word equivalent to BrE "subway" because we don't have the institution. We have the occasional pedestrian _overpass_ where a highway transects a park. Where a depressed highway

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Jerry Friedman

I imagine most people won't say it. This reminds me of a story my mother told me from when she was teaching at a home for unwed mothers. One girl was reading about India in a social studies textbook and came across the name of the milit

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I suspect that medicines given orally have to have a wider tolerance on the dosage than those given by other routes, because the first pass effect varies between individuals & circumstances.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

One reason is that they try to migrate across too large a body of water, then get exhausted & drown partway. I didn't know about that.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

And you wonder why I say I read this group as a form of entertainment! The most commonly seen form of entertainment is opening the group to see what PTD has posted that is the text equivilent of putting his foot in his mouth. In this c

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Did you maybe somehow type a capital eye instead of a minuscule ell? (The calculator in Windows 10 includes conversions -- it gives 5 ml = 0.16907 fl. oz.; but, curiously, the "default" measurement for the lower box is 1.014421 tsp. (

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

lmgtfy. No, do it your lazy (not to mention ignorant) self. Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar with the Decalogue.

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

But Fox is broadcast TV. Even if you get it through wires, you're not paying a fee for it, but, as I noted the other day, you _are_ paying for Fox News. Every month. Even if you never look at it. But your digression has nothing at al

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Re: What is 'great replacement' theory

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Xposted properly this time!

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

'in/at which' -- seems perfectly natural Unlike you, English-speakers do not try to cram three or four sentences into one. What does "correct" mean? (4) with "who"

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It's a pretty good guess that something that can't be described coherently is not a valid conception.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

DO you get any possums or something else cat-sized calling in? wouldn't want it dingo-sized.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Presumably the Fathers who were founding the missions kept copious records of the expeditions -- like the "Jesuit Relations" of French Canada, which are invaluable for 17th-century Native ethnography; and of the Conquistadores in Mexic

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Yes, the story is "Mute Milton". It appears in the following collections: Prime Number The Best of Harry Harrison Galactic Dreams 50 in 50

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

That's a bit of a cheat, too, given there's approximately one instance of "feuertrunken" in the whole corpus of written German.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

That has been a subject, and the video was posted on that subject. The subject of the Carlson clip in that video was his comments on The Great Replacement Theory". Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that will not

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

In a restaurant with the right theme/decoration, "meat of evil" could be popular. So Italians call it "beefsteak of beef"? Nice addition to the list of multi-lingual redundancies.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Silvano

From an Italian restaurant in Berlin: "bistecca di Monza" and "carne di male". Literal meaning: "Steak of (à la) Monza" (Monza is famous for the Formula One Grand Prix) and "meat of evil". I come from the region of Monza, but I had neve

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Clearly a racist, then, because discussion's quite bad enough. Of course he suffered from the crippling weakness of being on the political right. If you're on the left, you get a free pass (Diane Abbott, Joe Biden etc).

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Quinn C

I've always, well, assumed it was an accusation of being silly rather than being mean, therefore a reference to the equid.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Never? I'll accept "almost never", but I've met some exceptions. A sentence that springs to mind is "Ce fut un grand succès", which was said in my hearing in the mid-1980s. But then the verb "to be" is an exception to general trends in

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

"with respect to which"

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

"Where", in this context, mean "an example of" or any words to that effect. The statement is based on the fact that if a person signs up for cable, the cable provider's group of channels includes Fox, and Fox cannot be omitted from tha

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: occam

Richard, he did more than just 'discuss' uncontrolled immigration. He advocated the forced resettlement of the immigrant population of the UK. Fortunately the Conservatives were not in government at the time, and his powerful rhetoric onl

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

The origin of the popular myth is a Disney movie. Disney later admitted to having brought in the lemmings in crates, and that Disney personel behind the camera had been throwing the lemmings off some cliff. When found out, much later, D

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Silvano

_Is_ happening? When I had my first contact with French, well over 50 years ago, this process had already been completed. AFAIK, you'll find the simple past in French only in history books, but never in the spoken language. Also, well o

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 5 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

I don't deem this wrong. Sometimes, something similar is seen: |dark horse - a candidate, etc. of whom little is known from a dictionary, |this personage, of whom a moment before she had never so much as heard "The Portrait of a Lady

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

As I understand it, the migration in large numbers is the reason for the popular myth. In such crowded conditions, if they run along the edge of a cliff then some of them are going to fall off the edge, and I believe that that is what has

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

What is closing? How does parliamentary procedure have anything to do with the A relief for all concerned. I had a long-winded explanation of the closure rule in the Canadian sydtem all ready to go out but, having taken your poin

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Real lemmings don't commit mass suicide, but they do migrate in vast numbers, and that is probably the origin of the myth. A more interesting thing about lemmings is their weird system of sex chromosomes, leading to a population that

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

My first exposure to "I already ate" was in the early 1970s. It stuck out like a dog's balls because an Australian would never say that. (For us, the word "already" automatically triggers a perfect tense.) The speaker was a colleague who

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

cement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign> >> Well, we should be able to see that, by IQ inflation. We are all in the Einstein super-genius class, by our IQ scores. Hadn't you noticed? Jan

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

That all sounds in keeping with my somewhat faded memory of the story, which I haven't read for half a century. And where we use calendars, not timetables.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Nor for everyday medicine, of course. When I pour cough medicine into a teaspoon, the amount I get depends on things like how I treat the meniscus, and nobody cares about variations due to such factors. I imagine that hospital nurses ar

Re: where you can't say (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

There must be tens of thousands of scholars whose publication record is unknown to me. It's hard enough keeping track of the researchers in my own field. My point, in case it's not obvious, is that statements like the above about some u

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

cement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign> >> Kornbluth wasn't really a nice person. (more American fascism in SF) And a second rate author too. He needed Pohl as first author to produce something worthwhile. But lemmings really d

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

"Oxter" is used in Yorkshire & Derbyshire (at least) as well.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hibou

A North Sea mist. Armpit. Grey weather, mizzly drizzly etc.. Chilled. Quiet! [Hold your] wheesht! To put up with, tolerate.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll never get rid of it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Hibou

I'm afraid you'll need to find another subject for your test. Though English, I have lived in Scotland almost all my adult life. The chouette¹ Mme Hibou is Scottish, and I think we understand each other quite well. ¹Double meaning t

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I'm having trouble googling it, but I believe the story is "Mute Milton" by Harry Harrison. The black man's "nigger radio" was in fact an Arindam perpetual motion machine, getting its energy from the gravitational gradient. The invention

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

One of my cats keeps getting bigger. I've been thinking of getting an outsized ... Oh, sorry, you were talking about something else. As you were.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

A regular in this group - and I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten who it was - expressed it a little differently: <quote> A burrow is a hole in the ground. A burro is a donkey. As a journalist, you are supposed to know the difference. <

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It might have been Chuck in Liverpool, but the person I know is called Chook. He got his nickname from his surname, Fowler.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

[...] Australia and England are not separated by a common language, to the extent that the USA and England are, but the lack of a common climate causes more differences than you might imagine. We Australians do insist on our right to bar

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Silvano

Practical test. If a Scots speaker talks to you as an Englishman, how much can't you understand? It works the other way too, but we have to ask a Scots speaker.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Ah, then you know more about him than I do. What I recall was his warning that integration isn't as simple as the naive believe, and that it is folly to sweep the matter under the carpet by calling 'racist' anyone who dares to discuss

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Someone told me this is common in some eastern European countries because the term in some of those languages actually is (or is transliterated as) "crap". (Sorry, I can't remember which countries or languages this claim was made about.)

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Google thinks you're an oceanographer. I reckon 1/6 US fl.oz & 5 ml are within 2% of each other. I can't imagine this will make any difference when using a recipe.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Fair point. He nonetheless seems to have picked up the bad attitudes that a lot of them had.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Whether he was or not, his notorious speech favoured pandering to racist constituents for political gain.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I just looked that up & found this: Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass migration into the sea <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

It's hard to google up information about the history of it, but I'd be surprised if they didn't know it. I'm sure they based premiums on age then, & just comparing the statistics between men & women wouldn't have required any modern "big

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: occam

Heh! If I recall well, Enoch was in favour of forced expulsion ('repatriation') of immigrants from the UK, for the sake of cleansing Britain of non-Brits. The current policy of Britain to outsource asylum seekers (a euphemism for 'push

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hibou

I forgot to add that it is common in French translations of American works to see « Traduit de l'américain » instead of « Traduit de l'anglais ». I adduce this as independent evidence of large differences between AmE and BrE.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hibou

There was a similar problem in a lab I once worked in, where the sign indicating the maximum floor loading effectively prohibited standing on one leg, and we had to shuffle everywhere. This was doubly bad, since the carpet was syntheti

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

In which case, it's been redefined. Solution: scrap the redefinition. Then you'll have half the population to fall back on. I, too, am reminded of a short story, one in which a young black man is on his way to A Big City to show the

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist. That's a very packed question. Is such a fear legitimate? Or is it racist? Would it be a legitimate fear, or

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

They weren't that secretive, what with the outsized flatcaps. It was indeed dangerous; one poor chap died laughing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_Kapers

where you can't say

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: arthurvv vart

1) Fox isn't a channel where you can say I don't want it. (He's talking about cable subscriptions.) source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsdCIzCXHO0 From: 52:00 to 52:10 Is '1' grammatical? Is it natural? What does 'where' mean here

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

The "something" on which I have been commenting is racism, and whether evidence can be produced to show that Tucker Carlson is a racist. No, it isn't. The subject was whether Tucker Carlson was racist, and I asked for evidence suppor

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 10 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Curious. units(1) gets this right: $ man 1 units $ units 1floz ml * 28.413063 / 0.03519508 (Imperial flozzes, of course.) $ units 1usfloz ml * 29.57353 / 0.033814023 (American flozzes.) Strange are the ways of our colonial cousins.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

You think you know better than Peter how his friend's name was written?

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: occam

That, plus the fact that had Plusnet bothered to do a search himself, he would have discovered plenty of other sources for the same information. Here's another: https://inigo.com/almanac/what-is-suffolk-pink

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Snidely

Either way, but even those who think about a donkey in that context would also think about "silly" or "stubborn", or maybe "stupid". /dps

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: occam

Aha! That ancient Lancastrian martial art using black puddings as weapons may be the source of my misunderstanding of 'ecky thump'. Thank you.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Snidely

One minidonk, two minidonk, three minidonk, more. [Yeah, the usual plural is minidonks] /dps

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Snidely

Onager in a million. /dps

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

"Does not admit", no; I think they were usual in AmE, but have largely been replaced. That's pure conjecture, and so tenuous and far fetched as to be highly amusing. All British people who do not hide themselves away in caves and cell

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Snidely

I do nothing of the sort! /dps

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Snidely

For us, a sidewalk is a subtype of pavement when referring to material, but more often is the right-of-way for a pedestrian alongside a street, normally paved. (Unfortunately, sidewalks are usually paved with concrete since the 9 squa

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

It's Chuck. That it may seem to sound like Chook is due to the Liverpool accent, or Northern English accent in general. By the way, I noticed yesterday, for the first time, that he (Paul McCartney) employs a strange different accent (att

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 12 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The understood meaning of "Don't be an ass" is: https://photos.smugmug.com/ANIMALS/i-xXhSSST/0/dcae4050/X3/2009-04-30-1-X3.jpg

Re: help with writing a question - worked time (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Userme

Thank you very much for the help. I appreciate it very much.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Never thought about it. It's just a cutesy way of saying "don't make assumptions".

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

No idea. Is that a real commandment? An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while

Re: raid vs search (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Joy Beeson

[snip] The non-existance of one-Euro notes has nothing to do with the case. And you are rashly assuming that the magical pool-fillers won't *create* one-Euro notes.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Lewis

Oi! It's a *secret*.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Lewis

Only smart people have smart children and stupid people only have stupid children. Everyone knows that. Albert Einstein came from a long-line of super geniuses and was a direct descendant of Fermat and Newton, right? Right? Oh, wait.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I assume it's been brought up before, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania In my home state of Indiana, there's a city by the name of French Lick. Often, when it's mentioned, someone will say "It's not as much

Re: Help with writing a question - days to ship an item (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Userme

Thank you all for the help

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in the future, is that the av

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

You've moved the goalposts. The question is not whether his claims are true, but whether he made the claims. Or are you suggesting that replacement theory is not racist because white people have a legitimate fear of being replaced by bla

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Don;t knock used care salesmen. In the last survey I read about, they were more trusted than politicians.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Yes, I also react that way to black pudding.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

There's an Intercourse Island off the coast of Western Australia. (It's part of a group of islands; there's also a West Intercourse Island, an East Intercourse Island, and a few others.) The official story is that it was named when an

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I missed an opportunity ten years ago. I wanted to get a photo of my friends Vera, Chook, and Dave, to be displayed at my 64th birthday party. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera, and the next time I saw them together it was too late. N

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Many such places here have a long ramp instead of, or as an alternative to, stairs. But they usually don't have toilets. Those are more likely to be at ground level.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Despite the fact that I knew who Dave Brubeck was.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Old MacDonald had an interface EIA I/O.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I think if you want to comment on something that you should at least read or listen to what you are commenting on and have some understanding of the subject. The subject is the "The Great Replacement Theory". This is fairly condensed

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I once went to a French restaurant in Newcastle that had "lion of lamb" on its blackboard menu.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

A standard teaspoon here, for medical and cooking purposes, is 5 ml. I think that's not very different from your standard [1]. This, by the way, revealed a bug in Google's unit conversion system. I typed 5 ml in fl oz and got the a

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: musika

It was a secret Welsh martial art. It appeared in their second book. <https://cdn2.apstatic.com/photos/climb/106848340_large_1494145373.jpg>

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

Is that distinct from the fish-slapping dance - or an umbrella term?

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: musika

Yes. Monty Python had already done Llap Goch.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Well, "common" in the sense that there are many instances documented by amused Internet users. Many of them encountered in China.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

The strong alternative. I'll go with that.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Quinn is as entitled as you are to be wrong about something. Quinn's is just wrong about fewer subjects and less likely to follow his wrongness with bizarre defenses.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I suppose it does, but your familiarity with pervy toilets is not something I would bring into the conversation. I'm surprised you would. But, the fact is that you did bring pervy toilets into the thread and that makes it a "point" op

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

The Humbldt Bay area was also settled after 1850. In the Eel River delta we have islands called Cannibal Island and Cock Robin Island. As nearly as I can tell neither name is connected to any explanation. In Santa Barbara there is an I

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

The Goodies - Kung Fu Kapers, apparently.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

The "ICE" on the end seems superfluous.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: musika

He's probably thinking of The Goodies. In one episode, "ecky thump" is a secret Lancastrian martial art using black puddings as a weapon.

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Bebercito

So you don't know what my reason is, but you know it's not valid? That figures...

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I'm not going back up to the top to look at it again, but since it made no sense last week, it's not going to make any sense this week.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Not by the usual definitions of 'pieds noirs'. (which is limited to people of recent European descent) AFAIK his ancestors were 'Berber Jews' who lived there long before the French colonisation. (often after being expelled from Spain/Po

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Except that THEY was wrong, since a below-ground toilet is not equivalent to an English "subway" with attached toilets.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Doesn't that suggest that I knew what I was referring to when I repeated the phrase?

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

I may have mentioned this before: The fire station in Nuuk at one point in time had a sign outside saying "Don't worry about parking here; in case of fire, our 42 ton fire engine will have no problem getting out anyway" /Anders, Denmark

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

It doesn't look like "crap," but to me it not only sounds like "creep," but also looks like it.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

I associate it with Bill Oddie, a northern lad[1], in long-ago BBC radio comedy. Perhaps I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again. [1] Term includes Lancastrians.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Perhaps, but I don't remember ever seeing it on a menu.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a bunch of stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I have no opinion on whether it's true). I presume that those calling him a racist will claim that his clai

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I've never seen a British sugar cube. The half-tsp. ones are maybe a centimeter on a side, but the full-tsp. ones aren't shaped like two of those attached to each other. ? Only in some commercial products. And "No Sugar" (formerly

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

I buy oats in a store that has it in a barrel that you scoop out as much as you want and put it in a plastic bag. It doesn't come in anything. I'm not a big tea drinker (except for iced tea--just plain Lipton tea-- which I drink almo

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

But he's already said that he won't accept someone else's close analysis of Carlson's broadcasts, he needs to hear it directly from him. Would he take Putin's word for it, given that RT rebroadcasts some of Carlson's statements?

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Bebercito

How is my reason not valid?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Lewis

Seems like no contest to me. One has bread, the other has a sugar bread-analog. One uses underhanded accounting tricks to avoid paying employees overtime, providing sick leave, or benefits, and the other, while being a somewhat terrible

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I have trouble picking my favorite, but it would be between: https://photos.smugmug.com/SCENES-/i-G66nfDq/0/5eeaf0c1/X2/2009-03-12-05-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8w45KJt/0/3e515db0/X3/i-8w45KJt-X3.jpg https://photos.smu

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

No, just "decision of the majority".

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Ted Heise

I collected a number of these, but my favorite was the second hand kids clothing store in Okinawa that had the sign "Used Babies" over the door.

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

"Google a fact"?? You provided a link to an Estate Agent's website FFS! Have they suddenly become the guardians of historical fact? Or do they rank somewhere below used car salesmen on the 'trusted profession' scale? Are there any 14

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

If two or three teenagers walked past that door, I'm sure that one of them would have been talked into having a go.

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The "Replacement Theory" is getting a great deal of press in the US of late. Today's online _Washington Post_ has an extensive article on the subject. The article highlights Tucker Carlson's and Laura Ingraham's and Jeanine Pirro's fr

Re: A video for Richard Heathfield (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I see that they were Jewish & moved to France during the Algerian War --- does that qualify them as "pieds-noirs"?

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 23 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

I suspect that these days the door would be broken down by armed police.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days ago by: Quinn C

Those are visibly so different here that I don't find it difficult to ignore the one (comes in a box) when looking for the other (comes in a paper or plastic bag). The flavored things mentioned above to me are nice for a change sometim

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days ago by: Quinn C

How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] Good lard! Are US sugar cubes different as well? But the US tsp might explain why there's so little in each sachet. I presume the idea is to cut down on actual sugar usage so the US can go on using corn syrup in everything else.

A video for Richard Heathfield

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/05/jim-acosta-calls-out-tucker-carlson-name We had a candidate in the recent French election who was pushing the Grand Remplacement theory in France. This was Éric Zemmour, who makes Marine Le Pen look

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Clearly the voting is closed to outsiders (smiley).

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

Does ?8nlog(en+e-n) converge or diverge? https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/2241955/does-sum-n-1-infty-frac1-logene-n-converge-or-diverge "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is completely trivial. 1log(e

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I remember seeing a fish store somewhere in China with a sign on the window advertising "crap." I assumed they meant "carp."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tony Cooper

You do realize that it was you who brought "pervy toilets" into the thread? You wrote "We don't have those weird underground pervy toilets" responding to Hibou's post who was responding to Athel's post. Your memory goes that far back?

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Modern Greek is confusing that way: "yes" is ναι (sounding a bit like "nay"), and "no" is "όχι" (sounding a bit like "okie", particularly in someregions, like Crete).

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: J. J. Lodder

That's overdoing it. A hand grenade would work just as well. (and would no doubt be more credible) Jan

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

When she goes to one, does she have a hamburger or a farm?

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I'm reminded that in a book he wrote years ago, Alan Abel reported that he had a sign on the door to his apartment saying something like "Warning! This door protected by an atomic bomb." The apartment never got broken into. I know

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Bebercito

Exactly what the above says, i.e. a "close vote" = a vote that says "close the question" "call the question" = ask for a vote to determine whether the question must stop being debated by being immediately voted on (that's a _second_ vote

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I now suddenly remember "if it's not too dear". The Beatles. Maxwell's Silver Hammer? No. When I'm sixty-four? Yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTunqv1Xt4&t=1m33s

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mack A. Damia

More information: https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/26227/should-close-votes-be-used-to-answer-questions/26232

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Maybe PTD hasn't noticed that this is a private, moderated discussion group? "Mathematics Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for people studying math at any level and professionals in related fields..." The a

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What do you imagine is the difference? If that were true, then parliamentary procedure would not come into it at all.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What does that have to do with the "pervy toilets" of London, moron? I realize that you have zero memory ability, but the point was the absence of an AmE equivalent of the BrE "subway."

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bebercito

So what? On the contrary, this information is addressed to those who have voted (or are tempted?) to close the question so that, precisely, they can revise their judgment: it explains that a certain type of question is welcome (and theref

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The link provided: https://www.richlandsource.com/area_history/the-famous-central-park-underground-restrooms/article_16b1c4d2-c503-11e5-890c-6360a850aa28.html has a photograph of the entrance to the Mansfield (Ohio) underground facility

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Before then, you could just unscrew the caps of OTC pill bottles. Now they're hermetically sealed. I think your teaspoons are bigger than ours, but "tsp." is a fixed amount, 1/6 fl. oz., probably set many decades ago by some predec

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That's odd. Our oatmeal (as packaged by Quaker Oats and imitated by all its competitors) comes in a cardboard cylinder, typically one pound (~ 500 g), instantly recognizable and inexpensive. Two varieties -- regular and "instant." The

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Both of your examples suggest that AmE does not admit the forms you label as "Eastpondian." I must conclude that you've learned your AmE from British screenwriters who have assimilated a certain list of phrases that Brits consider to

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It was not, however, a useful ("cooperative") answer to the question.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

How dense can you be? The entrances are not visible from the street, so loitering is harder to detect. You may not have grasped, even from the discussion in this thread that you probably didn't read, that those subways are not _solel

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

We have/had above-ground toilet buildings in the larger public parks. There also used to be rest rooms in the larger subway stations. Both were well known as providing opportunities for perviness. I don't know whether the ones I knew

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Do _you_ (unlike bebe...) have a valid reason?

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

They useta. An awful lot of classic farces turn on that matter -- such as *It Happened One Night*. I assume *Mr. and Mrs. Smith* (allegedly Hitchcock's only comedy) turns on the same matter, but the one time it was scheduled and I wa

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Of course it's "perfectly good." But it has nothing whatsoever to do with "Close voters:" in the sentence asked about. The colon shows that (whatever it was supposed to refer to), the phrase is a vocative

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sat, 14 May 2022 08:37:09 -0600: [CDB: thank you very much for remembering Floyd Davidson.] If these are plain article files, or in a say mbox format, would you mind sharing them? I imagine they are automatically public domain,

Re: "dear" (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

And French: |Ma chère amie ! | |La voiture est trop chère ! | French.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the You are probably already familiar with French slang; I find the dialogue instructive. They have made la capitaine somewhat more approachable in the season I am watching

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Janet

In article <jeeaj6Fn4c4U1@mid.individual.net>, nobody@nowhere.nix says... The Lancashire term you're looking for is ecky thump, which does not mean black pudding. It's an expression of surprise/disbelief, similar to "ee by gum" and

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Janet

In article <amf28hlb5kti5m62uobvdr6f3sk21efqmf@4ax.com>, rh@rudhar.com says... Not at all; it's in common everyday Br E usage. Janet

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

I disagree that your last example is entirely wrong: IMO, a comma after "later" would give it a pass in conversational style. Goodnight, Suzie, you ignorant slut. https://youtu.be/c91XUyg9iWM?tH

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 7 Hours ago by: Adam Funk

Ha!

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Ms Clark's imperative was "Don't sleep in the subway", I'd always assumed she meant a pedestrian underpass. but that's trickier to rhyme.

Re: Find Local Singles Women Near Me Dating for Sex

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Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Those superior Russians forces were a cold war myth. The Cold War is best seen as an economic war: trying to topple the Sovjet regime by forcing them to spend all they could afford on defense. Poverty would them force an uprising against

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

A classic, well it was to me, sketch has a chap encountering doors with labels; it's silent comedy (or maybe just sound effects); interspersed throughout a light entertainment program (may there's some songs & dances as well?): This guy

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

IME in the UK the packets (more like tubes) of sugar we have contain a maximum of half a tsp. I nee^w wan^w *need* 4 to a cup of coffee.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Imagine 'keurig' as an extemely timid version of Mrs. Bucket, without any of her extravagances. Jan

media darling

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Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

media darling define A celebrity or public personality who is popular with the mass media and well-known in their niche. A media darling will receive frequent, positive attention from the media for every move she or he makes, yet still be

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Paul Carmichael

I didn't realise that Shaky was American. Oh, and that he named the characters after writing the play. How silly of me!

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hibou

Not normally my genre. It's true it's a long time since I've set foot in America, and so I am going by what you choose to export, in which I imagine you have your best foot forward. Is your objection to the placement of the adverb? GNV

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 9 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Well, who is going to discourage a $100 deal, because of gossip?

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: occam

What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ... Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: occam

The 14th century? When you next google a fact and come up with a homily like "it has been done in many places", make sure it precedes the example you are dissing. I am guessing there is a reason why it has ended up being called the 'Suff

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I agree with the desirability of having a good view from the throne, but it's feasible only if you have no near neighbours. In a previous house I installed bookshelves in the room. In my present house the toilet is in the same room as th

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 11 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

The Twin Peaks in San Francisco were called "Los Pechos de la Chola" before acquiring their present name.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 11 Hours ago by: Hibou

Perhaps that's best answered by an example of the opposite. 'Crome Yellow' by Aldous Huxley: "'In building this house, Sir Ferdinando was, as a matter of fact, preoccupied by only one thought—the proper placing of his privies. Sanit

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

'The 5' is correct. When I worked for Comma Services, we once were expecting a guy from Los Angeles, who was going to be driving up. He had our address, but was wondering how he could find out office. I told him to get onto I5 and whe

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I once got a service call to fix a terminal, at the Vancouver CNR (Canadian National Railway) station. I had never been there on a service call, and did not know where to find the terminal. I finally spotted a room with a few people in

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I know of at least one such place that also has signs saying "These doors are alarmed".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Dry Hump; n. A naval attack without the loss of seamen

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 18:16:47 -0700 (PDT): "The half was not told me." (1Ki.10:7)

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 14:19:49 -0700 (PDT): [HY] Perhaps so - if the context demanded a past-imperfect aspect, (like also learning something else). In the absence of such a context the "did" should not be dropped. "Only later [did]

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 13:07:02 -0700 (PDT): As a another non-native speaker I'll add my disagreement on your choice. I'd prefer to see the plural form of "writing-systems"

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You must remember that this was 1964 and my wife was a young, naive, well-brought-up Catholic girl who actually thought we might be asked.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I rarely see the packets of powdered "cream". What I see most commonly available is a liquid "non-dairy creamer" in a tiny cup with a peel-off lid. Coffee-mate is the most popular brand.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I'm at a loss, here. What is more "pervy" about a men's toilet when it's underground than if it's at ground level? Every city I've ever lived in has had a public park or other place with public toilets. Every city I've ever lived in h

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

When I lived in Melbourne, the underground toilets in the middle of the city had become controversial. Women were complaining that they had to pay a penny but men didn't have to pay. (Unless they needed to sit down.) The city eventually e

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Unfamiliar terminology can be a real trap for travellers. I was once having lunch somewhere in Califormia, and realised that I had forgotten how to get back to the SF Bay area, so I asked how to get there. Somebody said "Take the 5" (or

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I would phrase that last question as "Would you rather have a McDonald's or a Subway". My youngest granddaughter calls the hamburger place "Old McDonald".

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

The only time I've ever needed proof of marriage, to the best of my recollection, was when submitting divorce papers. Hotel and motel managers don't care who I'm sleeping with, and they're not bothered by the fact that my wife and I have

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I like to have some control over where the flavour is added. Yesterday I wanted to buy a packet of rolled oats. On the supermarket shelves I found lots of packets of oats with various sugary stuff added. The packet that contained only oa

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

The latter. There is virtually no recorded history for British Columbia before about 1850, when there were only a few hundred non-indigenous people in what is now B.C. What little there was made no mention of Sheba except as the legendar

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

He does seem to drone on.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Quinn C

I don't think that's a viable distinction here. Almost any cafe would sell you coffee in a disposable container if you want it to go - and why the hell would they forgo that big chunk of the market - and ignoring pandemic rules, almost e

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Fine. I wrongly thought I had a New York example after spending 30 seconds, but it was a US example, and thereby already contradicts your statement. And, if one US city had them, it's likely others had them, too. If New York had no room

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Quinn C

If that's specifically what "happy ending" means, then you know more than I did. To me, it was just "some kind of sexual service". Some business meeting, and be it about an unsexy issue like accounting. That's a difference, of cours

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Quinn C

There is space between "young people" and those "old people" you describe. I'm living in that space, after all. I found it pretty shocking when I talked about sitting on the floor in Japan, and various Germans in their 50s remarked tha

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

I think it lacks many important features. (Trying hard to avoid remarks about not containing any seamen.)

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Akrigg & Akrigg, _1001 British Columbia Place Names_ (Discovery Press, 1969) give "The Sisters" and "Sheba's Paps" as earlier names. They credit one "Judge Gray", ca.1890, with suggesting "The Lions" and also "The Lion's Gate" [should

Re: You Tube: The Greatest Raid of All: (BBC) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Lewis

See that spec way up in the sky directly above your head/ No no, WAY up there, and directly over your head? Yes, that is the clue. Yes, you missed it by that much. Yes, no one here is dumb enough to go clicking a link you post without ex

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Lewis

Such a strange unintentional coincidence! It's amazing! #SMH

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Lewis

That must be a very strange definition of 'new' as I first heard it in 1980, possibly 1981. I have a very clear memory of who said it, who it was said about, and where I was at the time ( Eric Bm Ms Crawford, 7th grade Social Studies), b

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: Lewis

Yes, because of course a difference in cultural norms is something you consider to be "inferior" to your culture. You are right, you "judgement" of the US is is off, so far off as to be worthless every time you attempt to weigh in on t

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: Mack A. Damia

Agree that the answer is obscure, but maybe this will help: https://math.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

The two little mountain peaks on Vancouver's North Shore known as "The Lions" -- after which the Lions Gate Bridge was named -- were once called Sheba's Tits. That name is now rarely heard in conversation, and is probably close to disappe

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

As can be "Only later I learn..." Which also answers Hongy's question.

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

"Democratic" means "abiding by the decision of the majority"? Mack's answer is perfectly good, and you either haven't read it, or don't understand it.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

That should be an entry into one of those books that feature Funny Tourist Experiences.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

No, not at all. But I prefer them to be traditional, to have the taste I'm accustomed to.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

The difference is: "does everyone else think its reliable".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You didn't read the entire page if you need a clue. There's a photo of newspaper clipping with the headline "Hidden Camera Traps Mansfield Sex Deviates" and the location is revealed as Mansfield, Ohio. "The Shawshank Redemption" was f

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich Thick amidships, tapering at bow and stern.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Long gone, alas. It was in the Formica tabletops, too.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The Subway chain sells submarine sandwiches (so called, in some places, because of the shape of the bread).

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Evidently someplace called Mansfield has a park called Central Park. Mansfield seems to be in Richland County. There's an ad for a Miss Ohio pageant, which might be a clue to its state. Or not.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I figured he'd contracted Long Covid decades before anyone else.

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

How good of you to remember what the thread is actually about! The few comments that addressed the question were unhelpful (and most were from nonnatives) and about evenly divided. My version was the first of the two, and it's the ver

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What does "a democratic voting process" have to do with queries about "software that mathematicians use"?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

I guess the answers turn out to be Erdogan, Erdogan, and Erdogan, Jan

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

Does not compute. AFAIU, the Cabinet Secretary is not a Permanent Secretary, so I have not stated anything about who is the boss of the Cabinet Secretary. /Anders, Denmark

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

Do you prefer all your foods to be bland? /Anders, Denmark

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

I'm not sure about a special connection with Suffolk, the same thing was done in many other places. Today, various paint manufacturers offer stuff which looks the same - but no pigs are harmed in the... etc.

Re: Which sentence is better? (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

Did I miss the promised post from PTD? which /Anders, Denmark

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

Putin insists that Finland and Sweden shouldn't join NATO. Who wields more power? Who gets more attention? And which needs to face reality? (Haven't been to look: left undisturbed for politeness' sake.)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

I've never found the conning tower. Torpedo, on the other hand, would do nicely.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

That is why my wife and I didn't get lunch in Anaheim, a suburb of Los Angeles, after a business meeting. We were told we could get it at a subway, which was [in a given direction]. We couldn't find the subway. In the end, we gave up,

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

It's not the most convincing comparison.

"dear" (was: An interlingual phonetic coincidence) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

Supersedes: <dear-20220515193207@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> [edited the line with "is an adjective" a bit] Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes: From a book (slightly edited): |"Dear" is an adjective that can also mean "expensive": |/Me

"dear" (was: An interlingual phonetic coincidence) (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

From a book (slightly edited): |"Dear" is an adjective meaning "expensive": |/Medical insurance is becoming too dear for many Americans/. |The sense is more frequent among the British; more commonly |Americans use "expensive" or "cos

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Snelkassa.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

The little of Arabic I learnt in the 1970 from radio programs for foreign workers: sifr ashrá, 010, the telephone prefix of Rotterdam. It is the original meaning. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cijfer#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Usage may persist. Better English, I think.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

This morning I heard a silly ad on Youtube, in which an English expression was translated literally. It was wrong, because the same expression exists in Dutch, but slightly different, minus one word. Now I wish I could remember what the

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

That cognates in two languages can have the same meaning or meanings, does not mean they are interchangeable. For example, Dutch inderdaad is the same as English indeed, but often you can't translate one by the other, nor vice versa. Some

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

But an unusual one, then. Not one that I knew about. Or that I have learnt to avoid as a potential false friend. Does this now me dearly? No. I meant only the most frequent senses of the English word. https://www.collinsdictionary.co

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Suzie Fitzgerald

I think you are all (all replies, not just Athel) missing the point here, and failing to give Hongy the most helpful answer. Apart from in questions, subject-verb inversion is rare in English, but it is required after certain vaguely nega

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: GordonD

They do in the UK as well - maps, anyway.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

The Subway chain outlets (that I have been in in this area) all have wallpaper that depicts NYC subway scenes. The chain, though, started in Connecticut selling "submarine sandwiches" or "subs". The chain name, obviously, was a play on

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: lar3ryca

In Jeopardy, the answer is the question, so the clue would be 'Nasal Sex", right? Not sure that M de S wrote that. Didn't bother to wade through all that crap.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: charles

neither, thanks you; I've recently been diagnosed as diabetic - white bread is off the menu. but it appeasrs that the company 'Subway'call their main product "Sub" rather as McDonald refer to a "Mac".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: lar3ryca

obSemantic-quibble. There is no 'subway sandwich'. There are "Subway sandwiches", because it is the name of a place that sells sandwiches that happen to be known as submarine sandwiches because of their shape.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

The Illinois Constitution has been revised three times, but the one you are referring to was in 1970. Subtracting the number 58 (the years I stated that we have been married) from 2022 indicates that we were married in 1964. The previo

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: Ken Blake

"Subway" is the name of a chain of sandwich shops, but I wouldn't call what they sell subways. Calling what Subways sells "subways" is like calling what McDonalds sells "McDonalds." Are you hungry? Would you rather have a McDonald or a

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 10:40:24 -0600: [i wanted to phrase that as: "what is .." jeapordy style] https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&as_q=%22rms%22%20%22nasal%20sex%22 https://archive.org/stream/SartreJeanPaulLiteraryAndPhilosophic

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may well have been an un

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Does your nose run? Do your feet smell? Perhaps you are built upside-down.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Property is theft.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days ago by: Ken Blake

Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost everyone, and that was my point.

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

If you had a Ph.D, you would know the answer. It is written in my previous post. If "closing" is a democratic voting process, then "close voters" are the ones who vote to close. DUH?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: charles

Unless the "subway" is a sort of sandwich

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

There are some such place here in the US with coffee that I consider drinkable, even if not great. To my great surprise, one such place is McDonalds. Same here. Yes, it's always better to let everyone do it himself. Also some people

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I've gotten pre-sugared coffee exactly twice: Once in Rio de Janeiro, in the office of the president of the Brazilian branch of the company I worked for. They always drink it sugared there. Once in Naples, Italy, at a bar before I fou

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: HVS

On 15 May 2022, lar3ryca wrote Limewash is an interesting treatment. As opposed to the Victorian and early 20th-century black-and-white colouring of half-timbered buildings, limewash was traditionally painted not only on the brick nogg

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: lar3ryca

While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

The same thing with cocktails like martinis--actually more so with martinis than with coffee or other cocktails, since a martini glass is usually filled to the brim. Occasional the glass is brought to the table along with a little beak

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Quinn C

How would I know? But an online search quickly yields: <https://www.richlandsource.com/area_history/the-famous-central-park-underground-restrooms/article_16b1c4d2-c503-11e5-890c-6360a850aa28.html>

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I have. I lived in NYC for about 14 years of my life. I was born in Brooklyn, and lived there until I was three. Since then, I've been in Brooklyn about seven times (three marathons that went through Brooklyn, the wedding of my sister-

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Except when the two relevant lines are called the subway (one under State Street, one under Dearborn one block to the west). I never heard the brief portion of the Blue Line that runs beneath Logan Square called a subway. (In your day

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tony Cooper

Not only does the CTA use 'L', but they insist on the single ' on each side of the L. https://www.transitchicago.com/assets/1/6/ctamap_Lsystem.png

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

How does parliamentary procedure have anything to do with the uninterpretable phrase HY is asking about?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I'm certainly familiar with "El, "but I've never seen it called "L." So am I, even though I'm not a Chicagoan.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

[BrE/AmE] I doubt it. Where would they have been?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

You are correct. In AmE a "subway" is what BrE calls "tube" or "underground."

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Most, though, have signs specifying "N items or less."

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Uh, no. Masturbation is unlikely to occur at an accounting meeting. (I don't think "accounting meeting" is the right term, but I don't know just what you're thinking of.) And a generous tip is forthcoming. Of what? "Language laws" s

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Or, from "Iphegenia in Brooklyn," by PDQ Bach: .... Only he who is running knows. Run, running nose

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I don't know the year of your wedding. It may have been under the new Illinois Constitution, the one that (first in the nation) decriminalized homosexual acts. If that's when such a change took place, it would be ancient history at th

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and Canadians. Shove it up your ass. There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.

Re: Close voters

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Posted: 5 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

What is closing? Closing is a democratic voting process where the community identifies questions that duplicate existing content, are unreasonable to answer in their current state, or do not belong on the site. When should I vote to cl

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Quinn C

More likely, just like anywhere else, you don't have them any more.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Quinn C

If so, is that more than the general ambiguity of life? Even an accounting meeting can have a happy ending if the participants want to. And what of that do you find so objectionable? Exactly. Which no one needs, whereas regulating pr

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 07:28:33 -0700 (PDT): I didn't get any of the television references, but that's how they nailed Ravi Zacharais after his death. Now why some evangelist would want to own a controlling interest in a chain of spas

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

We find it almost unwatchable. It's one thing to have the main detective look a bit unconventional, but it's another to take it to an extreme.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Fortunately, no one challenged us and required proof. We drove from Rockford to Florida, stayed overnight in Kentucky, spent several nights in Hilton Head Island SC, several nights in Clearwater FL, and several nights in St Petersburg B

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

(Patrick knows David is a mess and wants him away for the hours before the wedding, so he gives him a spa day, telling them to give him the full treatment. He doesn't realize what that implies and is scandalized when David thanks him

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Paul Carmichael

Do you think that he named his characters after writing the play?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

We don't have those weird underground pervy toilets. Your notions of American English are not based on experience with actual American English. Gangster movies, maybe?

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

I have to ask, though, how much of this is reality, how much is just the fantasy of TV writers? What's your problem suddenly? Nothing nearly as gross as in Texas, Florida etc. is going on here in terms of controlling people.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Can you blame her, if you were going to marry her to your folks? Please type a Return after each 72 characters or so.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I can never remember all the details: "In the US, all is permitted that is not forbidden. In Germany, all is forbidden that is not permitted. In France, all is permitted. In the Soviet Union, all is forbidden." Or something like tha

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 07:59:11 -0600: What's the connection between Richard Stallman and Marquis de Sade

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That seems HIGHLY irregular. The license certifies that you have met the legal requirements for marriage within the next two years or whatever (having demonstrated that it wasn't incestuous, that [in those ays] you didn't have syphili

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all. Here's a little ditty the young kids like. When you're kissin' with your honey, And your nose is

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And Palm Sunday. "A colt, the foal of an ass."

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

We haven't had cream (not milk) pitchers on the tables in years, because germs -- or most likely, because of the pill-tampering episode when some sort of toxin was introduced into bottles of Tylenol on drugstore shelves. Similarly ther

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Like the Chevrolet Nova. Doesn't go.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I don't think so, but it wasn't too long after 2001 that I first saw one in Canada.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And lies about other threads. No one made any such claim.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Please see the header I wrote when I started this thread. "... that Carlson's PROGRAM is racist." In fact, it isn't. Few sponsors can be found for his program, and Fox News would get along very, very nicely without carrying any adver

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: hongy...@gmail.com

Maybe the following as an alternative: Only later, I learned that ... HZ

Re: Suffolk pink (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Interesting. I had never heard of 'limewash', until now, but I see it's what we call 'whitewash'.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Dingbat

A bicycle underpass is called that, never a subway. In places where a subway is an underground railroad, a subway can also mean an underground walkway from one underground railroad platform to another. So, one can walk through a subway

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That's the problem. "If it bleeds, it leads." I can't know what your TV news showed you about the demonstrations in Portland, Oregon (which is what they're usually talking about), but that was a massive peaceful protest lasting many d

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

In Chicago, you can board the "El" at a station that is above ground or at a station that is below ground. It is still the El when it runs underground. The El is operated by the Chicago Transit Authority, and is officially named the 'L

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

I remember back in Virginia when I was going to introduce the girl I was going to marry to my folks, she ran off with some other guy at some nightclub the night before. All that brings back terrible memories.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

All's well that ends well.

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Pamela

Out of interest, what kind of dehydration is that?

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I've met that in French more than once. It used to be my contention that the English version is and always was "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, becau

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I should have guessed that Wikipedia had it covered. The small town I grew up in had just one thing called "the subway". It was the pedestrian access to the two platforms at the railway station, but it also served as one of the few place

Suffolk pink

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: occam

Though I am not a fan of the colour pink, the history of 'Suffolk pink' piqued my interest. According to a snippet on the BBC (Radio 4) program, Suffolk pink pig's blood + limewash. "Suffolk Pink dates back to the 14th century, where

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

A similar story as for the Mitsubishi Pajero, then. Apparently it was named for a South American leopard, but they didn't take into account a more common meaning of the word in Spanish. Someone must have noticed, though, because it's mark

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: occam

Is it irony if the ass is intentionally named 'Bottom' by Shakespeare?

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Janet

In article <0994c18e-ab3e-4347-a4a5-ad8e312ab78en@googlegroups.com>, hongyi.zhao@gmail.com says... Yes. Or simplify it: "Later,I learned that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death" Janet

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and noticed someone using the expression "votre image tout craché", lending a little more weight to the ide

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

Il exige seulement qu'il y ait une fin joyeuse.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 12:54:29 +0200: (Were Keruigs around 20 years ago in the US? I don't think I saw them or never noticed) the smaller-burjoisy?

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

That feat would prove Tony has still got it, in parts.

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Arindam Banerjee

Being living and also dead so far as the Anglo literary world is concerned, that description best suits the author of "The Son of Hiranyaksh".

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

From Dutch 'keurig', they explain. They used the wrong dictionary, and found 'keurig' as meaning: 'excellent'. Actually 'keurig' means something like tidy, neat. It may be used in a disparaging way, for dull, unobjectionable, or petit-b

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Starbucks has started on a 'conquer Europe' campaign. Lots of advertising, 'second box for free' offers, etc. Guess I'll let it pass, Jan

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

Mike Lyle used to predict here that English would develop a disjunctive pronoun "I" for use in that context. Maybe it has, by now. You pre-empted my "I oy!" [...]

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 12:42:01 +1200: On aue I think you could filter out a large chunk of Lewis' republican-rant posts using the keyword "asshat"

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: Hibou

Not really, having already drawn the distinction between subway as an underground railway and subway as a way of crossing a road. My focus was on the existence of many differences between BrE and AmE, rather than the details. Wikiped

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

It's also possible to say "Only later would I learn ...". But that's a different verb tense, which changes the viewpoint of the narration, in a way that might make it incompatible with the surrounding sentences.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

So would I, but I thought you were looking for the AmE term. As far as I know a pedestrian underpass is not called a subway in the US.

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

This question is too vague to be answered. But yes, if you want to start the sentence with "Only later" then you need the "did". You haven't answered my question of what you would want to use.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

If she meant that she should have written "dollar value" or something equivalent. Just putting "amount" makes Peter's comment valid.

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 7 Hours ago by: Paul Carmichael

S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic that the name of the ass is Bottom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Night%27s_Dream#/media/ File:Augustins_-_La_Folie_de_Titania_- _Paul_Jean_Gervais_189

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 00:01:36 -0700 (PDT): very common in the civil-servant class of the erstwhile madras state the late 19th and 20th centuries. (and perhaps elsewhere) Even in the mid 20th centuries in educational contexts it was

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: Hibou

Usage is a bit fluid here in GB. In general, I would associate a subway with pedestrians and an underpass with vehicles. The Underground in London is definitely the Underground (made up of the Tube plus the original cut-and-cover lines

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 9 Hours ago by: hongy...@gmail.com

Thank you for your comments. Is it necessary to use this form for all adverbial pre-emphasis? HZ

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dingbat

My Malayalam speaking paternal grandmother spoke little English but used cypher to mean zero. I haven't heard any English speaker in India or elsewhere use cypher with that meaning. So, I can't imagine where she borrowed it from;. zero i

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 11 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Underpass, I think. Or possibly tunnel. , railway-station-train-station, points-switch,

Re: Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 11 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Yes. What would you want to use instead? Maybe "I learned only later that by ..." would be OK, but the first version is better.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 11 Hours ago by: Madhu

Wrote on Fri, 13 May 2022 13:22:56 +0100: [I remember that story. After I came across it for the first time, for some reason I thought it was LFS' story (about threatening to take their custom to the bank across the street) but I think I

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Hibou

There are certainly a lot of differences in transport-transportation: lorry-truck, pavement-sidewalk, give-way-yield, underground-subway, subway-?, railway-station-train-station, points-switch, engine-driver-engineer.... In other field

Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration,

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Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: hongy...@gmail.com

Only later did I learn that by neglecting this kind of dehydration, you risk kidney failure and death. Must I use "did" here? Regards, HZ

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund? (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

There is a good rundown on Construction Grammar in Wikipedia. It is nothing new. As a modern notion it seems to date from 1980 and its older versions go all the way back past Whitney. I am very sympathetic to what already exists but I d

Re: the mind within (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

And I, of course, am living with my ex-wife.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

It's "winning" if it's in sense of setting someone straight on something in which they are mistaken about facts. Recently someone made the claim that a photo ID is required to vote in Florida. It is true where the voter votes in person

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

A more potent version has a space in it: as shat.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I have never had that problem here, except at the places that sell coffee in disposable containers, where you don't expect decent coffee anyway. In a sit-down cafe, the milk (not cream) and sugar are on the table, and you measure out your

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I saw that earlier comment, but I thought it was a misinterpretation because it was so inconsistent with the original formulation. One way to make it clearer would be to create a spreadsheet with _four_ columns: Item, total sold, price p

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee. When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I answered "Just sugar, thanks", as

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 15 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Fair enough. If I am disappointed that you are not clenching your seat in tense anticipation of my next revelation about my thinking, I will attempt to rein in my disappointment. (I am crushed, sir; crushed!) It should never be abo

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

While your comment does agree with what I thought when I read her post, we found out later she did mean "amount". She meant the amount of dollars as a result of sales of TVs. The problem was partially causec by the figure she used. 10

Re: Asshat (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006. Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus slang", 2003). OED 2002,

Re: help with writing a question (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Use "number" rather than "amount". Amount is for mass nouns, and number is for count nouns. For the same reason, say "how many TVs", not "how much TV". It's true that many English speakers fail to respect that distinction, but when writ

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: musika

No. First syllable stress.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I certainly wouldn't deny your experience, but I think the odd thing is why the server is doing it that. Carrying a full cup of coffee to the table is a recipe for disaster. I would think the coffee would slop over when being carried.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Unlikely, because dear=expensive can be found all over the English-speaking world, and most of us have never been to Brooklyn.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

I'll also add that I almost never order coffee to go. The one exception I can think of is if we're going to the airport to catch an early flight. Then I order coffee--black, no sugar.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Is "in Furness" pronounced the same as "Inverness"?

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Thanks for that. Only yesterday I was trying to remember the name of our Limerick ex-regular.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Ugh. Should be "my wife and me."

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to the table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you describe it. There's one place that we u

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Me too. I dislike ("hate" might be a better word) flavored coffee, flavored tea, flavored bagels, flavored cream cheese, etc. LOL. Good answer.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part. In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server. If cream and sugar is requested, the packets an

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The person submitting the notification makes the change which is then registered by the agency notified. No. We did not sign anything after the wedding in a Catholic church in Rockford, IL. We signed the application for the marriage

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

If you consider it a debate, then you should consider what our positions are. Heathfield's position is that there has been no evidence produced that establishes that Tucker Carlson is a racist. My positition is that I agree that no evi

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I didn't say so. Attributions scrambled because of '>' in pasted post. However, I was in NYC on a course, in the late 60s, and a fellow classmate ordered 'a regular coffee' at a restaurant, and it came with cream and sugar already in i

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so nobody thinks I said that. Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

I sometimes wonder where Quebec's control ends and Montréal's control begins.

Re: blue raspberry (blackcap raspberry Rubus leucodermis) (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Some types of raspberry may help make better cough syrup.

Re: the mind within (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

The Crusades lasted from 1095 to 1291, so the border states could take a little blame for all that.

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Keurig coffee makers are very popular and I understand the convenience. However personally I avoid them. As far as I'm concerned, two of the important things in the quality of the coffee are how long ago it was roasted, and how long a

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

I shouldn't let myself be sucked in here, but Tony's made a good honest attempt to answer my point, and deserves at least a modest response. When I look at that question, I see a question worth asking, because we ought to consider the

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Maybe someone could explain to Fatuous Blake that lar3 was quoting something written more than 20 years ago. But it probably wasn't true in 1999, either.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

And that's why newbies should not parachute into discussions without having read what led up to any particular message.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It's truly pathetic that you think you are "entertaiing" yourself by pretending you cannot understand English. Notifying an account-holder of a name change is, obviously, not an illegal act. Officially changing a name is an act that

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have to ask for more, but they will be fort

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

son.html Nowadays perhaps, but not in the past, Jan

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

Usages may last, Jan

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

For some reason, I am reminded of I hold your hand in mine, dear I press it to my lips I take a healthy bite from Your dainty fingertips My joy would be complete, dear If you were only here But still I keep your hand As a precious sou

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

If you say so. Although I grew up in NYC, I have no memory of that., perhaps because I never ordered it that way. It is to me. I want zero teaspoons of sugar and zero of those tiny plastic servings of half and half (or any other milk

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Stefan Ram

Reminds me of <coffee-20210504202447@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> and <regular-coffee-20210504211114@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>! For those of you who do not remember: |Subject: Re: How do you call coffee with milk and sugar? |From: ram@

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

But 'cherished' is only one definition of the word 'dear' in English. It also means expensive or costly.

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Absolutely fascinating defense! She is changing her name legally, but not legally changing her name. And yet it is. That, and the notification to the IRS and SSA, is the performative utterance that accomplished the change. There is

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Sounds like a place that sells expensive liquor.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund? (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Note M-W's sense 5. Their etymology is essentially correct, and was discussed at some length on a.u.e. in 2014.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 20 Hours ago by: Bebercito

No, the implication is "expensive" as opposed to "dear" meaning "cherished".

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

This is just a test, to see if newlines consisting on only a LF (0x0A0 will single-space. --- begin --- From boblipton@earthlink.net Fri Oct 01 06:25:00 1999 To: Brian J Goggin <bjg@wordwrights.ie> Newsgroups: alt.usage.english Subject

Re: CRT in math testbooks (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: charles

I think the submarines are built under cover rather than in an open dock

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Hmmm... since 'dear' (in English), is a synonym of 'costly' and 'expensive', doesn't that mean that 'duur' is also a synonym of 'dear'?

Re: the mind within (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

The other technique, if you don't approve of a pope, is to appoint your own. Emperor Henry V used both methods at one time or another. He imprisoned Pope Paschal II in order to get what he wanted. It worked. Later, Henry strongly disappr

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Dutch duur mean expensive, costly, not dear. But we also have dierbaar, which means dear, close to someone's heart. They are indeed related: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dierbaar

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund? (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Likely. Let's just say, to be kind, he's "The world's Okayest Linguist."

Re:_Ssd_Chemical_Supplier_+27833928661_Automatic_Mac (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

In case you haven't noticed, I do so, on every message, every time they appear. I do not, however, memorize the names of the various purveyors of drugs, counterfeit money, or methods for removing dye from stolen real money. I only s

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I didn't mention spas because they can all too easily cross over to, at least, the "happy ending." (See the last or penultimate episode of *Schitt's Creek*.) There's something the Quebec government doesn't try to control??

Re: Name changes (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Of course she is "doing so legally." Doing so is not "changing her name legally." It is notifying the account-holder that she has a new "legal name," but she did not acquire her new "legal name" by changing it on a credit card or a ba

Re: [pobedobesie] The pobodobesie this year marked a new high (thread)

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

What is "valid" about Mudd's comments, given that everyone except Fake Blake ignores Fake Blake? My posting in this thread was not a reply _to_ Fake Blake. It did not address his topic. It was a meta-comment, addressed to the vapid p

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

I couldn't see any submarines, so I imagine it isn't the "Barrow" I first thought of. (Barrow in Furness)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Uh, no. Dutch was very long dead by the time her ancestors (probably her parents, but we don't know) iommigrated from Eastern Europe (perhaps in the 1850s, as we recently learned of her husband's, our grandfather). She seems to have

Re: blue raspberry (blackcap raspberry Rubus leucodermis)

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

Fortunately no - I found a way to avoid that.

Re: Asshat

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time. Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Mother: It's vital that we protect your purity during this vulnerable time. I mean, you're a divorcee, and, well, that sounds French. Summer: I know it does. <audible exhale> Girls5eva S02E04

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Well, if the US is far behind Germany or Canada in a cultural development, it can of course happen that my judgment of US affairs is going to be off. Generally, I view those countries as part of a more or less shared culture, where thing

Re: [pobedobesie] The pobodobesie this year marked a new high

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

Dunno, but he simply ignored your valid comments and responded with evasion and 'let's shift the topic'.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

On what grounds? Which media do you consider "reliable sources"? This seems to be nothing but the resurfacing of Heathfield's solipsism, or sheer egoism, that I identified months ago.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Why is Heathfield too stubborn to listen to the "Fresh Air" interview (or perhaps read the transcript), which answers those mindless objections with facts and audio clips? Among the evidence is his copious repetition of the phrases a

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

T****'s statement is constantly replayed on US media, even now. We do not need to rely on transcripts in news sources. For the terminally stupid: https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2015/06/25/29292957/

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

If you were on a golf course, why would you need a hotel? bar (or cocktail lounge) State Street as the back door led to a rather Wabash Avenue The (former) major department stores are on that side of State Street; the west sid

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Perhaps it's one of the several I have killfiled.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Also, the Italian word is "cantante" and the singer in flamenco music is known as a "cantaor." There are probably other similar words in other languages, but I "cant" remember them.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: J. J. Lodder

If Brooklyn from Dutch 'duur', perhaps, Jan

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

I find it hard to believe you don't know which bozo fits the comment.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

I also knew you meant "body language," but to me what you meant was very clear from the rest of the statement.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Which resident bozo did you have in mind? We have a few.

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

That's a statement, not a question. Better would be something like Can I find the total hours worked by each user and also the total amount paid to (by?) each user?

Re: Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

You're welcome. Glad to help.

Re: Help with writing a question - days to ship an item

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

It's OK, but "soonest" would be better than "fastest."

Re: Help with writing a question - days to ship an item

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

How many days is it from the order date to shipping date of each item?

Re: Ssd_Chemical_Suppli

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

One way to control it is to killfile everyone with a gmail.com address. I did that for a while, but I un-killfiled it because it also caused the loss of messages from a few posters here whose messages I wanted to see. I wish no real po

Re: Potemkin: Russia has what is called Putin's Potemkin army

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Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

Here is another use of "potemkin" found while reading the news today. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/will-putin-use-nuclear-weapons-in-ukraine-our-experts-answer-three-burning-questions/ "The only wise response to P

Re: Asshat

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: Ken Blake

There are a few here in this newsgroup. I have them all killfiled, with one exception: someone who sometimes makes valuable posts (but who may soon get killfiled anyway). I've never used it and it's unlikely that I ever will.

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 6 Days ago by: lar3ryca

I spent a week or two in Chicago on a course. I stayed at the Palmer House, which had a rather nice pub at ground level. It was OK, but I soon learned to go out the front door, as the back door led to a rather seedy area. More recentl

Re: Linguists

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mack A. Damia

There once was a girl from Purdue, Who kept a young cat in her pew. She taught it to speak Alphabetical Greek, But it never got farther than µ

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Bebercito

I don't, but a simple, easily verifiable fact is that far fewer French words begin with [ʃ] than with [k] and with [ʒ] than with [g], making the number of [g] / [k] pairs potentially much greater than the number of [ʃ] / [ʒ] pairs.

Re: stockade definition

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: bruce bowser

-ade 1. a suffix found in nouns denoting action or process or a person or persons acting, appearing in loanwords from French and sometimes from Spanish (cannonade; fusillade; renegade), but also attached to native stems: blockade; escapade;

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: bruce bowser

It depends upon how much wriggle room the reins from the nearest grant office give you.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tony Cooper

While Floyd might have been inactive in this forum after 2005, he has been quite active elsewhere since 2005. Floyd and I shared the hobby of photography, and he was quite active in some of the photography newsgroups. Unlike me, he cou

Re: Asshat

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Defined by the Merriam-Webster (junior puerile childishness) dictionary as: "It takes one to know one". cf "He who smelt it dealt it".

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Thank you for adding sufficient context (though after the fact).

Asshat

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: occam

Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I bring you 'Asshat'. “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person” <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history> I know you prob

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Actually, any way that you define "legal", a woman who changes her maiden name on her driver's license or credit cards to her married last name is doing so legally. There is no law prohibiting her from doing that. She is not committing

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Of course it can. Date and Time are all part of the same number (there is no point in knowing the time unless you also know the date). You can't go back earlier than January 1st 1900 12.00am.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I see. Sense 5 of the definitions at the top. I overlooked that. Clear now. Thanks. Over and out.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Heathfield fails to comment on this misperception of his claims. The "someone" has been misled as to the facts.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

<snippage> I remember many AuE Regulars, respected or otherwise, from many years ago. His most recent posts are from 2005. I still have many saved posts from the last century that I encounter now and then. Had a good chuckle just ye

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

For Christ's Sake. Either Carlson's programs are on YouTube, or else you can (probably) pay to watch them on the Fox News web site. Most of us have seen enough excerpts that we have no interest whatsoever in sitting through an hour of

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Friday 13th. Spooky!

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Cooper now claims that Heathfield is a clone of Cooper himself. Yet he continues to deny those two truths. No, he does not in fact play your game. He buries his head in the sand, and/or sticks fingers in his ears and goes la-la-la-l

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Did he study E-A linguistics somewhere else? Seems unlikely.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Over Here, the legit kind is classed under Physical Therapy.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

It's published in English as "The Bald Soprano." (Less entertaining than "Rhinoceros." Of which the film starring Zero Mostel is well worth seeking out.)

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

No, you are not Humpty Dumpty. You don't get to do that. You didn't "think" anything. You merely revealed how incompetent you are at writing intelligible English. And even though you once looked at a Wikiparticle about Grice's Maxims

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

She posted this on Friday: Thank you very much for your help and reply. I see your point now and thank you for that. I want to say how much ($$$) amount sold for TV? How this question sounds? ++++ What is the revenue of TV? ++++ Thank

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I want to write A question to find out how MANY TVS WERE sold. How many TVs were sold? Other responders think you are asking about the money received from selling TVs, but nothing in your materials suggests that that is your question.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Interesting. It was my grandmother's (b. 1891, Brooklyn) regular word for 'expensive'. Or just the ordinary development from 'precious, valuable, worthy' that you suggested? Lakoff might even call it "metaphor."

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

The German cognate "teuer" had the opposite development: it now normally means "expensive", and the "beloved" meaning is old-fashioned and stilted.

Re: How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

I don't suppose Yurok Maple Mountain would do. According to Bright's dictionary, there are places called Squaw Teat in four states and Squaw Tit in five. Are you agitating to change "Grand Tetons" as well?

Re: On the meaning of "see"

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Bebercito

A question mark used on its own doesn't act as punctuation proper. Rather, it's a signifier in its own right, which conventionally expresses astonishment or doubt. As such, it can be considered a comment.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

+1

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

This morning, LINGUIST List carried an announcement of the relaunch of an open-access journal (that somehow doesn't even charge authors for publication), called Construction*, devoted to Construction Grammar, which is apparently the cu

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

alt.usage.english

Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Because the ex-"scientist" is a senile crank obsessed with me.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Does he. Perhaps I'm being unfair to the man but he seems to me to be so plastic that he wouldn't need to shelter during a blizzard.

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Are you trying to help, or something? I do not speak for CanE, IRIE (whatever that is), or any other variety.

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

"Determine the number of hours worked by each employee and what each one is paid for that work." Stop putting a question mark after an imperative! Ignore the distractions offered by the posters who ignored the questions you actually

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Right. Of relevance on that page: Synonyms: Noun addict, aficionado (also afficionado), bug, devotee, enthusiast, fan, fanatic, fancier, fiend,junkie (also junky), lover, maniac, maven (also mavin), nut

Re: Help with writing a question - days to ship an item

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Q2 is fine. Q1 must become How many days does it take from the order date to the shipping date of each item? (or: for each item)

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

I cannot deny it. Guilty as charged. It's at the top.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: CDB

I waded through fifteen minutes of Cucker, to find that he had *said* nothing that would convince you he is racist (He was going on about Biden's new spokesperson, who is female, Black, and Lesbian). As others have said, he communica

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

alt.usage.english

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

If you have read CDB's post, you now know that 1) I should have written "body language", and 2) what it is. An example with Tucker is when he combines a statement with a physical movement that contributes to how the statement is to be t

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: CDB

Richard, I have deleted so many of the two-letter troll's postings that sometimes my mouse has a mind of is own. You posted "Oh no, we're not". If I still had your post, I would reply "Then you've a hole in your bucket."

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Yes, that is the term I was thinking of.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Silvano

Thank you and RichardH. I'd have known what Tony meant, if he had written "body language".

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

I was wondering. Oh no we're not!

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Aye. We know Carlson's racist because although he might not actually say anything racist he don't 'arf *look* racist to me, guvnor, and a nod's as good as a wink to a blind 'orse, eh? White bloke in a smart suit, and on telly to boot?

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

I mean "Lar", dammit. They're both contrarians. [...]

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

No, RichardH has it: Floyd Davidson. I have reproduced his entire post in my reply, in case some people have killfiled him. (Incidentally, the claim that it's some sort of insult -- the "translations"

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

And thank you very much for remembering Floyd Davidson.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

It's because, when old people get down, they can't get up.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: CDB

RichardH has given you the correct definition of "body English", but you should know that Tony misspoke: he should have said "body language". "Definition of body language : the gestures, movements, and mannerisms by which a person or a

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 5 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

[] I'm glad I resisted now. [] Blue?

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

If you mean the amount of money that one TV is sold for, the best word is "price".

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

It seems to me that it must be a very old development, maybe before there was a lot to be parallel with. A Polish-Canadian room-mate once told me that the word for "whore" in his ancestral language was the "cher"-cognate "kurwa".

Re: You Tube: The Greatest Raid of All: (BBC)

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

That, I can see and agree with - but I can't get that from your former statement; even in hindsight. Probably my bad. /Anders, Denmark

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

No, Richard hasn't watched them because nobody has posted a reference to a relevant clip. Richard's not going to waste hours sifting through J Random American's pontifications just on the off-chance that Richard might see something t

Re: stockade definition

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: CDB

AKA "palisade" or even "pale", in some uses. In Spanish, "palo" can be a word for tree: "Palo Alto", "palo borracho". https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=palisade&ref=searchbar_searchhint

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 6 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Yes, but videos are the hardest to fake convincingly, especially if there are other videos of the same event out there that are outside the faker's control. As far as I'm aware nobody has claimed the Trump quote is "fake"; all I've d

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Anders D. Nygaard

Um .. no. The addition serves to distinguish the Danish system from the British, where Permanent Secretaries (~= "departementschef") do have a civil servant boss, the Cabinet Secretary. /Anders, Denmark

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

In the case of Tucker Carlson, the primary evidence is Carlson's own TV broadcasts. (And I'm not the first in this thread to say that.) I haven't watched them because I'm unwilling to contribute to the profits of Faux News. Richard obvio

Re:_Ssd_Chemical_Supplier_+27833928661_Automatic_Machine_

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Google used to be bad that way, but I thought I'd heard that it had responded to pressure and mended its ways. And in fact we're not getting a huge amount of spam on AUE. The people who advertise sex sites seem to using throwaway addresse

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: occam

Videos can also be faked, as can voice recordings, photos and any mass medium you care to mention. No, but someone who sees evidence but claims it to be 'fake' - despite an overwhelming evidence to the contrary - would be. Examples are

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Noun body English (uncountable) (idiomatic) A body motion made to coax an object already propelled go in a desired direction. For example, a nervous leaning or twisting movement while playing sports such as golf or bowling, to "

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Nope, still plummeting. Air Mouton, vous n'avez pas d'autorisation pour le décollage (GT)

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Ah those French! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Silvano

Can you please explain to a foreigner what "body English" means?

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Sing it, brother! pubname: https://whatpub.com/pubs/AVN/55/bear-rugged-staff-bristol

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Aye. 5MHz was enough back in the day! (No, it really wasn't).

Re: [pobedobesie] The pobodobesie this year marked a new high

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerr-Mudd, John

Why do you think I will answer your questions?

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Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Does it work? I've read that Google does absolutely nothing in responce to such reports.

Re: Ssd_Chemical_Supplier_+27833928661_Automatic_

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Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Snidely

Yeah, I've been doing that. /dps

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

No. I think the Post is an unreliable source, but I don't discount unreliable sources; I just question them, asking for support from primary sources. Don't you question sources you consider unreliable? Do you just believe anything you

Re: How_to_pronounce_pkwo

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Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

‘u might be a glottalized w, possibly realised as creaky voice on the preceding vowel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurok_language#Consonants

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 10 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Or even all five: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cranky Yeah, right. Buff? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/buff ? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buff ? Not as I see it. I dunno.

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 10 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

1 G as in gigabyte? You probably mean megabyte?

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 10 Hours ago by: occam

Yet you discount an article written by the Washington Post (my URL) - quoting verbatim something Trump said, as an 'unreliable source'. Neither you nor I attend Trumps speeches (primary source), but when a serious newspaper *quotes* (not

How to pronounce pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw

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Posted: 6 Days 12 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

We want to change the name of Squaw Tit Mountain to pkwo’-o-lo’ ‘ue-merkw (Yurok for maple). This is something that will terrify the average English speaker. I am unsure how to say it (I have neglected my Yurok phonology). I imagine "

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 6 Days 12 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

Chicago is a nice enough place I suppose. I got out when I was one year old.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 12 Hours ago by: David Kleinecke

I am unhappy with sci.lang not because of the various trolls but because when it does do linguistics it is almost always about historic linguistics. I seem to be the only one left who is interested in syntax. I admit that after the Chom

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Userme

I meant Employee. You are right user is not good word here. Thank you very much for all your help. I appreciate it.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The major problem in providing "evidence" in this is Tucker Carlson's style. He communicates racism by innuendo, facial gestures, and body English. You won't catch him making an overtly racist comment, but he can make a relatively inno

Re:_Ssd_Chemical_Supplier_+27833928661_Automatic_Machine_

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I see that the detestable hassan ashly666 is posting his high-volume spam via Google Groups. Would some GG user be willing to report this to Google? (Or multiple GG users, if this can get him blocked faster.)

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 13 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I had trouble, when reading your description, to work out what you meant by "user". Is the user someone who is being paid by the hour? If so, you need to say "worker" or "employee", or something like that, but not "user". And you need t

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Will be solved right after porcine one.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

Further example: at various times during my working life I have had to import data into a spreadsheet, where the source was a document that was not a spreadsheet. That wasn't a matter of bad planning; it was simply that the source documen

Re: Help with writing a question - days to ship an item

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Userme

Sorry the second Question is Q2) Which Item shipped the fastest? Is that good question from English point of view? How you would write it? Thank you very much?

Help with writing a question - days to ship an item

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Userme

Hi I have date for different items and I have Order Dates and Shipping Date for each item. I want to find how many days it took for each item to be shipped from the date or order. Can you help me please writing this question in your style.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

I recall a time when my interest was more than academic. I had some back pain and really would have liked a massage. There were a number of massage parlours in the area, but I couldn't work out which was which, so I ended up having to li

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 14 Hours ago by: Peter Moylan

There's also a French word "cantatrice". I know that word only because of a play by Ionesco. (La cantatrice chauve, also known as L'institutrice blonde. And, earlier, L'anglais sans peine.)

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Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: Snidely

Plenty of 8086s (and even 8080s) could run real-time kernels (Intel supplied iRMX80 and iRMX86 for that purpose), so task-switching was well understood, but memory protection was not built in before the i286. Xenix 86 needed an interf

Re: OT: Question for Canadians here

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Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: Userme

Hi Try https://forums.redflagdeals.com/ Post in Off Topic Forum. They are many knowlegable people there, if they can not help you they would direct you to where you can find what you are looking for. Hope that helps.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Because after 20 years, because our resident bozo still occasionally whines about cross-posting to it.

Re: OT: Question for Canadians here

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

You might want to try google.ca Search for "guitar teachers in pei" for starters.

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: lar3ryca

Perhaps neither. Perhaps both. Back in the day, I was not a fan of Intel chips, and looked askance at all of them. By the time I considered them to be 'just about good enough', I was using Motorola chips. It did not help my view of Int

Re: Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Userme

That is amazing. Thank you very much. I appreciate the help.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Snidely

Now I need to rinse my eyes. /dps

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Userme

Thank you for your reply. So is this good question from English point of view? if not, how you would write it? Thank you +++++ Q) Find out total hours worked by each user and also find out total amount paid for each user?

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Snidely

I'm stewing over all this. We can mouton high standards. /dps

Re: blue raspberry (blackcap raspberry Rubus leucodermis)

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Snidely

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr#*!!@#rrrrrrrrrrrt /dps

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Snidely

Friday, Userme murmurred ... I think time delta functions were already in Excel before that, but for the example Tony used of someone crossing the midnight boundary, you'd have to include the date or represent the PM time as a negative A

Re: Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Snidely

The number of what hired? How about: "What is the number of employees hired each year in the sample period?" or for the short form: "How many employees were hired each year?" /dps

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Snidely

Are you overestimating the 8080/8085 or underestimating the 8088/8086? The 8080 needed external bank switching hardware to access more than 64K, the 8088 could access 1G, and had native 16-bit arithmetic instead of having to use subro

Re: OT: Question for Canadians here

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Userme

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Re: Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Userme

That is really great. Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it.

Re: Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

How many people are hired each year?

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Ah! Someone understands! Most refreshing. Thank you, sir.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

Indeed. I'm just finding out on what little evidence people persuade themselves of media claims, and am amused but mildly appalled to discover that the answer is "almost zero". I'm not *demanding* evidence. I'm *asking* whether ther

OT: Question for Canadians here

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Ken Blake

One of my several guitar teachers here was from Winnipeg, Canada.When his student visa ran out, he had to move back to Canada, and he moved to Prince Edward Island. I've tried to contact him unsuccessfully, and I also had no luck asking s

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Userme

That is great help. Thank you. I will do this 1) What is the total amount of sales of TVs? 2) How many TVs were sold? ( I was not thinking of this but thanks for your help and I found it very good exercise as well) All these questions to

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Jesus, Bruce, you think I need dictionary cites to know the word "legal" means? However, when the word is put in quotes, and then an explanation is provided that this use of "legal" is being used to mean "what's on record", then any idi

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

Depends. "Revenue" has a meaning that is not just the total amount of sales. I would't use it. A "Total $ Sales" heading would make it clear for the second column. The question would then be "What is the total amount of sales of TVs?

Re: You Tube: The Greatest Raid of All: (BBC)

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Snidely

Lo, on the 5/12/2022, Anders D. Nygaard did proclaim ... The sadness comes from the irregularity of former regulars. /dps

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Userme

Thanks again for your help. You are right about Excel and Time. Yes I agree but I am using Power Query tool which is part of new Excel which can do these calculation automatically so user would get the #of worked hours by subtracting the

Re: help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

I don't understand why you are doing it this way. The purpose of Excel is to put data in columns and to create columns that contain formulas to perform calculations on that data. The calculations provide the anwers. What you are doing

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Userme

Thank you very much for your help and reply. I see your point now and thank you for that. I want to say how much ($$$) amount sold for TV? How this question sounds? ++++ What is the revenue of TV? ++++ Thank you again.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Its still in operation. Please continue to visit ... "there", if you like.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Legal is defined as: legal adjective le·​gal | \ ˈlē-gəl \ Definition of legal (Entry 1 of 2) 1: of or relating to law She has many legal problems. 2a: deriving authority from or founded on law : DE JURE a legal government b: ha

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

This is rather misleading. Perhaps you have found a list of _new_ topics; or whatever device told you this may have filtered out some topics it did not consider worthy. I didn't respond to Martinelle because the question was vague and

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Paul Wolff

That is perfectly reasonable, isn't it? It's not for nothing that law courts decline to admit hearsay evidence. When someone is asked to produce evidence, and all they can manage is a third-party account of something that said third par

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Lewis

Everyone knows you need to throw in a mushrooms or two, and possibly a snake. Depends, the sheep standard is rather high.

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You need to clarify if you are referring to units or currency. (I want to say "units or dollars", but "dollars" may not be the currency.) "How much" would be taken to mean an amount in the currency involved. "How many" would be taken t

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Indeed. The English seems to be two directions of development from an original meaning something like "precious, valuable, worthy". I feel them as quite separate now; I knew the "beloved" one from childhood, but only encountered the "e

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

It is most certainly "identification" when you provide that number as proof that you are the person on the account. I just did that last week. I made a purchase* at Best Buy but did not have my Best Buy card with me. I had to enter m

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

You don't hire a programmer to create a spreadsheet. That's like hiring an automotive engineer to check your oil. The programmer created the vehicle that anyone can use enter the data in. The data entry person decides how the data is

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

What were you reading when you came to the conclusion that I said anything about legally changing one's name? I specifically noted that I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on record". It's still in this post.

Help with a question - counting each year # of hired employees

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Userme

Hi I have a list of user and start date for each one. Like the following Name -- Yea Joined Mary -- 2000 Alex -- 2020 Linda -- 1987 Jack -- 2000 Sam - 2020 I want to write a question to find out how many people are hired for each year. Is

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

Unrelated, coincidence. The Japanese word predates first contact.

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I first worked with an IBM PC professionally in 1984. And in 1991 I owned one. Yet this RFC is much less formal and precise than those who, say, specify how to send an e-mail over an encrypted channel. On youse part, yes.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Oops, sorry, my mind wandered. But are they really easier? You don't have complete lists, any more than I do. but my point was about Huh? but what I find I think you are confused here. The sound changes are [k] > [ʃ] (Latin cattus

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ruud Harmsen

I am a fan of Unix humour, yes. I learnt much of my English by reading man pages. And I liked them. GNU = GNU not Unix, that sorta thing.

Re: help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: spains...@gmail.com

Let me think about it and then hazard a guess. This has to be students in rag-week having a challenge to fulfil?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Ross Clark

Yes, that is one way in which the notion of "probability" could be made operational. I was thinking more along the lines of: If you picked a language (from the world) at random, what is the probability that its word for dog would be "c

blue raspberry (blackcap raspberry Rubus leucodermis)

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/horticulture/fruits-1/documents/what-is-a-blue-raspberry

Re: Hyphenated Surnames

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Hey, did ya know that the former defense minister of Germany's name is Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg?

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

No. Its AmE vs CanE vs IrlE vs BrE. Get the terminology right, please.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

Really? The two terms have definitions, just look 'em up?

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

That's strange. I never heard anything about that.

help with writing a question - worked time

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Userme

Hi I have 3 columns in excel, Name, Start Time, End Time. Like the following Name ---------- Start Time ---- End Time Mary Smith --- 7:00 am ---- 2:00 pm I want to write 2 questions, one is find the total hours worked for each user. Wh

Re: A cable laying assistant

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: bruce bowser

P.E.R.T. stands for Program Evaluation and Review Technique (on a PERT chart or a Perchart board - or a chart board or a drawing board). ===============_ (operations) A diagram which uses the symbols and notations of program evaluation a

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

What PTD is not recognizing is that Heathfield will pull any chain left accessible. PTD drags his in a wider arc than Diana's wedding dress train. By this time, Heathfield is probably quite aware that Carlson presents racism in his com

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

Agreed, but don't you mean it's dyeing out? bill

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: bil...@shaw.ca

That niche in the linguistic food chain may be occupied by "cantor". In some Christian and Jewish traditions, a cantor leads the chanting. bill

help with writing a question

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Userme

Item -- Amount Sold TV -- 100 Washer -- 200 Dryer -- 300 TV -- 500 Computer -- 800 Dryer -- 450 I want to write question to find out how much TV was sold ++++ Q) What is the amount sold by TV ++++ Is that good question? How you wou

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

That is not "identification." That is because financial institutions are required to report your income to the IRS using your unique account number. And almost entirely misinformation.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with banks or stores. Those ha

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

The account was opened in both names from the beginning. However, part of the procedure is each party filling out a signature card. She filled out hers when she opened the account, and I filled out one later. A signature card is somet

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Actually, at the time mentioned, there wasn't any other option. The Eastern or "Orthodox" churches would have no jurisdiction in the matter.

Re: sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Leave it to an ex-"scientist" to take an extremely short, or myopic, view. Or to only pop in once as quarter or so. Or to imagine that sci.lang is populated by people knowledgeable about a nonexistent category such as "Eastern Asian

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

They didn't "catch on." Non-rhotacism has not spread -- westward, for instance, with the general westward movement of the regional dialects -- from the few places where it was introduced by migration (Boston, parts of the coastal Sout

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

The first version of Office I had -- which came with a pre-owned PC -- included Access (and a couple of things I had no use for). I tried to learn to use it to make a relational database for a bibliography / library catalog like the s

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

This is far more poetic, and romantic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T90NtwD-sJg (Misalliance · Flanders & Swann)

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Leave it to you to hire an incompetent programmer. Or, more likely, to invent an absurdity all by yourself. Someone as obsessed with Jersey City as you are might be expected to know that Jersey City includes seven inhabited ZIP codes

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

Ovine aviation. Any progress?

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

If we want a rundown on his perpetual motion device, we might have to wait for an eternity.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

You're welcome. Wrong end of the stick. "Eskimo" is the name of the language family. Whether it is some sort of over-arching term for ethnic groups is uninteresting. As for the double-spaced excerpt deleted above, no, the Aleut lan

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Sam Plusnet

You could kidnap a pope and persuade him(or her) to see things your way.

sci.lang: dead, or moribund?

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Athel Cornish-Bowden

Recently PTD, with his usual disregard for facts, claimed that it was wrong to describe sci.lang as moribund. Here, for your general edification, is a complete list of topics that have been discussed at sci.lang during May until today:

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Silvano

It must be the Catholic church. As far as I know, other Christian denominations do not insist so much on annulments before you can marry someone else and still be a member of that church.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: occam

He is trying to pull my leg, Daniels. He seems to be having more success with you, however.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

My ,other had to take French in school growing up. Her parents were horrified to find out that one of the teachers was not French, but was French-Canadian. Knowing my grandfather, he probably tried to have the teacher fired. Anywhere

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

To be clear, though you know this, I am not talking about Germany.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Bebercito

Correction: "[g] and [k] pairs" Also, "shoot"/"joute".

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

Had you read the next paragraph... yes, in the USA.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

They may know that now. Did they in the 1970s? I doubt it.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lewis

In both your names s rather different, however.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Tony Cooper

A program - Excel or any other of that type - is not a database. Excel and other programs are used to contain the database that is entered. Whether or not Excel is effective in ways to use that database depends on what the user wants to

Re: You Tube: The Greatest Raid of All: (BBC)

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: bruce bowser

Når nogen du ikke kan lide, skriver noget, du ikke kan lide, der er ingen respekt i denne gruppe. Alt er barnligt.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Quinn C

Ok, Belly.

Re: the mind within

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: bruce bowser

Which church is "the church"? It must sound like it has the most "muscle and connections" of them all.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: bruce bowser

No. We're a group.

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Which in turn was a slight improvement over the 8080.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Out of the woods comes Dirty old Dick, The only man with a corkscrew prick. For many long years he continued the hunt To find a woman with a corkscrew cunt. When he finally found her he shot her dead When he found out she had a left-hand

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Richard Heathfield

And the 8088 was an 8086 in casual dress.

stockade definition

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: bruce bowser

Army soldier stockade Stockade definition stock·ade /stäˈkād/ Learn to pronounce See definitions in: All Penal Military noun a barrier formed from upright wooden posts or stakes, especially as a defense against attack or as a means

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Stefan Ram

lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> writes:

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Adam Funk

Well, that's disappointing. ;-)

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Nor is it in my English. This is the first time I have heard (or read about) anyone stressing the first syllable.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Adam Funk

FSVO "here"! You know there are non-rhotic regional accents in the USA.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Adam Funk

It's not supposed to be a database, but in the real world a lot of people do [mis/ab]use it as one because it's easy to get started with. I think he & I were making the same point (although I was doing it facetiously).

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: lar3ryca

Nor is it in my English. This is the first time I have heard (or read about) anyone stressing the first syllable.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 7 Days ago by: Tony Cooper

I would expect that serious ice skaters who include spins in their routines practice and learn how to spin without it affecting them. Admittedly, an ice skater who does such a routine would be probably be in the younger-age group, though

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: lar3ryca

That would be, if you mean who I think you mean, Floyd Davidson. I copied the following posting to use when I heard people taking umbrage at the word 'Eskimo'. --- begin --- Subject: Re: How are these jokes supposed to be funny? Date:

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tony Cooper

I appreciate that slight concession of "mostly". It's true that I have directed you to a closed business establishment in Jersey City because that establishment appeared in a listing that was not up-to-date and that *was* misinformation

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Quinn C

I recently spotted someone as having a French-of-France accent rather than a Quebec accent in her English within the first sentence.

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Quinn C

I'm aware of the dis-TRI-bute stress, but was still working from the assumption that my DIS-tri-bute is the most standardy standard. There seems to be some confusion about that - Collins marks the second syllable as stressed in writing,

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

Perhaps they were (are?) all cross-eyed bears.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Tony Cooper

You don't seem to understand what she's trying to accomplish. It's a valid exercise to teach students how to use a particular function of Excel to extract parts of an entry and place them in columns for sort possibilities not anticipate

Re: Newbie Netiquette

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Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ken Blake

I guess you're not a schoolboy. <G> It was the 8088.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

? It's not a database tool at all! Heathfield fails again.

Re: Help with creating a question

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

But why would anyone have typed those three things in a single cell? Didn't you cover the use of columns in your very first lesson?

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Doubtless Heathfield puts his utmost faith in every wholly owned subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch. No one -- and the WaPo staff are not exactly shrinking violets -- has ever suggested that Bezos has tried to exercise editorial control ove

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Oh, fer chrissake. It's from T****'s announcement of his candidacy after descending the magic escalator in T**** Tower. How ignorant can Heathfield be? Ostriches and head-in-sand come to mind. Now Heathfield somehow equates "racist"

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Someone might point out to Heathfield that the 40-minute (or so) interview with the author of the articles is not behind a paywall. A transcript may even be available at the web page by now, which would take (most people) less long

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is racist

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

ME?????? It is Heathfield that requested the information. Nice to see you're as illiterate as ever. But mostly misinformation.

Re: Heathfield wanted evidence that Tucker Carlson's program is

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Richard Heathfield

If you consider the Washington Post (a wholly owned subsidiary of Jeff Bezos) to be a reliable source, I don't think we're going to have a meaningful discussion, BUT I have found other reports of the same speech that contain basically the

Re: Who is the best author?

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

(You get that that's AmE vs. BrE, no?)

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

[Brader's screwing with the attributions repaired] Maybe a Michael Krauss (U AK Fairbanks) student. (Incidentally, the claim that it's some sort of insult -- the "translations" vary -- in an Algonquian language is apparently false.)

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Yes, but it used to be the only one, and some may still use it indiscriminately. So it's not a case of importing a French word specifically for naughtiness.

Re: CRT in math testbooks

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

In your experience, what sort of person spins around until they fall down or throw up? Gender has nothing to do with it, since little boys, little girls, and presumably little inters also do it for fun. One begins to see why some peo

Re: [pobedobesie] The pobodobesie this year marked a new high

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

How many people have continued to respond to Fake Blake, since his true colors were revealed? Why, in your opinion, dud he revive at least two un-answered March threads in May?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

French CHER as well. It's beginning to look non-coincidental, no?

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Bebercito

[ʒ] and [k] pairs are indeed easier to find, but my point was about French [ʃ] / [ʒ] pairs. On second thoughts, there are some indeed, such as "chatte"/"jatte", "chute"/"jute", "shit"/"gîte", but with no matches in English. The regu

Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidence

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Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Not surprisingly, Churchill said it better. (Or Shaw, Or Wilde.) On the Beeb they routinely say "CON-tri-byoot" for "con-TRIB-yoot." Anglists might be able to tell you what happened, but it's pervasive. (Odds are the AmE version is ol

Re: You Tube: The Greatest Raid of All: (BBC)

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Closed-minded Regulars forfeit Respect.

Re: vocal profile

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

Yes. Why don 't you trust your instinct? The context tells you what it means.

Re: Nearing a Giant

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Peter T. Daniels

"It is a boy's name meaning "dear", "scarce" or "precious." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir_(name) "Zenith is Arabic/Muslim Girl name and meaning of this name is "Highest; At the Top; First". " https://namesfolder.com/muslim-g

Re: Tucker Carlson refuses to delete the tweet

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Quinn C

Given that, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get along with himself.

Re: Name changes

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: