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A Tcl for Windows

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From: hgi...@ratiosoft.com (Helmut Giese)
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Subject: A Tcl for Windows
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by: Helmut Giese - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 06:15 UTC

Hello out there,
is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools? I seem to remember
that not too long ago I have seen here a message to that regard - but
my news reader apparently has lost lots of postings so that I wasn't
able to find anything.
Any link or tip will be greatly appreciated
Helmut
PS: Time to replace my news reader. I am currently using a program
called 'agent' from 2002 or earlier. Any recommandations?

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by: Andreas Leitgeb - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 10:55 UTC

Helmut Giese <hgiese@ratiosoft.com> wrote:
> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools? I seem to remember
> that not too long ago I have seen here a message to that regard -

I don't really know the answer to this, but I'd have a look at
Pauk Obermeier's BAWT and/or at Ashok P. Nadkarni's (spelling?)
distributions...
just vague memories, but maybe a start for a search outside the
newsgroups.
Another possible starting point:
https://wiki.tcl-lang.org/page/Tcl+on+Windows+FAQ

I usually use tclkits when on Windows, but those are most likely
not generated by MS tools

> PS: Time to replace my news reader. I am currently using a program
> called 'agent' from 2002 or earlier. Any recommandations?

Thunderbird (from mozilla family) springs to mind. Not sure about
how "good" it is.

I'm using "slrn", which is (iirc) also available for Windows, but
probably not exactly what Windows'ers are usually looking for. ;-)

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by: Harald Oehlmann - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 11:23 UTC

Am 06.12.2022 um 07:15 schrieb Helmut Giese:
> Hello out there,
> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools? I seem to remember
> that not too long ago I have seen here a message to that regard - but
> my news reader apparently has lost lots of postings so that I wasn't
> able to find anything.
> Any link or tip will be greatly appreciated
> Helmut
> PS: Time to replace my news reader. I am currently using a program
> called 'agent' from 2002 or earlier. Any recommandations?

Helmut,

Ashok builds everything with MS Tools:

https://www.magicsplat.com/
which leads here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/magicsplat/

There are also starkits build by ms tools within the twapi project:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/twapi/files/Tcl%20binaries/

Ashok mentioned that he is on travel. So, TCL 8.6.13 versions are not
out jet.

I will be in the Munich TCL meetup tomorrow.
Hear you there,
Harald

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by: Christian Gollwitzer - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 13:37 UTC

Am 06.12.22 um 07:15 schrieb Helmut Giese:
> Hello out there,
> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools?

May I ask why this is important? Correctly gcc-built Tcl executables
should run on any recent Windows system without additional
installations. E.g. I build tclkits on Github using Github Actions,
downloadable here: https://github.com/auriocus/kbskit/releases

The .exe worked on any Windows system tested so far.

It's not yet updated for 8.6.13 because I tried to include Tclcurl in
the release, which currently fails on Windows.

Best regards,

Christian

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by: Harald Oehlmann - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 13:55 UTC

Am 06.12.2022 um 14:37 schrieb Christian Gollwitzer:
> Am 06.12.22 um 07:15 schrieb Helmut Giese:
>> Hello out there,
>> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools?
>
> May I ask why this is important? Correctly gcc-built Tcl executables
> should run on any recent Windows system without additional
> installations. E.g. I build tclkits on Github using Github Actions,
> downloadable here: https://github.com/auriocus/kbskit/releases
>
> The .exe worked on any Windows system tested so far.
>
> It's not yet updated for 8.6.13 because I tried to include Tclcurl in
> the release, which currently fails on Windows.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christian
>

I can confirm what Christian writes. There is even DLL compatibility.
For example, the tksvg.dll build by gcc or MS-VC may be used by a Tk
from the other world.

Great work !
Harald

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by: Helmut Giese - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:11 UTC

Hello Christian,
>May I ask why this is important? Correctly gcc-built Tcl executables
>should run on any recent Windows system without additional
>installations. E.g. I build tclkits on Github using Github Actions,
>downloadable here: https://github.com/auriocus/kbskit/releases
>
>The .exe worked on any Windows system tested so far.
yes, I know that - I practically use a gcc-built Tcl every day.

The setup is complicated and right now I am not in the mood of writing
long stories (I am eager to get one of Ashok's Tcls and see if it
helps me).
But I will explain my situation later.

Best regards,
Helmut

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by: Helmut Giese - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:11 UTC

Hi Andreas,
>
>Thunderbird (from mozilla family) springs to mind. Not sure about
>how "good" it is.
>
I recently discovered that it lost /yeárs/ of the emails I received,
so I do't trust it anymore.
>I'm using "slrn", which is (iirc) also available for Windows, but
>probably not exactly what Windows'ers are usually looking for. ;-)
If I find it I will ltake a look.
Thanks for this tip
Helmut

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by: Helmut Giese - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:12 UTC

Hello Harald,
>
>Ashok builds everything with MS Tools:
>
>https://www.magicsplat.com/
>which leads here:
>https://sourceforge.net/projects/magicsplat/
so this seems to be just what the doctor ordered.

>
>Ashok mentioned that he is on travel. So, TCL 8.6.13 versions are not
>out jet.
My requirements are quite humble - just a handful of Tcl functions
which would (I guess) be present in practically all Tcl versions of
the last 15 or so years.
Many thanks for the link
Helmut

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by: Robert Heller - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:14 UTC

At Tue, 6 Dec 2022 14:37:04 +0100 Christian Gollwitzer <auriocus@gmx.de> wrote:

>
> Am 06.12.22 um 07:15 schrieb Helmut Giese:
> > Hello out there,
> > is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools?
>
> May I ask why this is important? Correctly gcc-built Tcl executables
> should run on any recent Windows system without additional
> installations. E.g. I build tclkits on Github using Github Actions,
> downloadable here: https://github.com/auriocus/kbskit/releases

If one is *building* a shared library (.dll) extension under MS-Windows with
MS's tools, one needs support libraries (eg tclstublib.lib) built with MS's
tools.

>
> The .exe worked on any Windows system tested so far.
>
> It's not yet updated for 8.6.13 because I tried to include Tclcurl in
> the release, which currently fails on Windows.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christian
>
>
>

--
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by: saitology9 - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:44 UTC

On 12/6/2022 1:15 AM, Helmut Giese wrote:
> Hello out there,
> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools? I seem to remember
> that not too long ago I have seen here a message to that regard - but
> my news reader apparently has lost lots of postings so that I wasn't
> able to find anything.
> Any link or tip will be greatly appreciated
> Helmut
> PS: Time to replace my news reader. I am currently using a program
> called 'agent' from 2002 or earlier. Any recommandations?

I heartily recommend Paul Obermeier's Bawt: http://www.bawt.tcl3d.org.
It gives you the flexibility to use MS or gcc compilers.

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by: Paul Obermeier - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 17:33 UTC

Am 06.12.2022 um 17:44 schrieb saitology9:
> On 12/6/2022 1:15 AM, Helmut Giese wrote:
>> Hello out there,
>> is there a Tcl for Windows generated by MS tools? I seem to remember
>> that not too long ago I have seen here a message to that regard - but
>> my news reader apparently has lost lots of postings so that I wasn't
>> able to find anything.
>> Any link or tip will be greatly appreciated
>> Helmut
>> PS: Time to replace my news reader. I am currently using a program
>> called 'agent' from 2002 or earlier. Any recommandations?
>
>
> I heartily recommend Paul Obermeier's Bawt: http://www.bawt.tcl3d.org. It gives you the flexibility to use MS or gcc compilers.

In principle I second that, but note, that Tcl and Tk currently only support MinGW/gcc builds on Windows.

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by: Luc - Wed, 7 Dec 2022 15:37 UTC

On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 14:37:04 +0100, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:

> Correctly gcc-built Tcl executables
> should run on any recent Windows system without additional
> installations. E.g. I build tclkits on Github using Github Actions,
> downloadable here: https://github.com/auriocus/kbskit/releases

It even runs on Linux/Wine. I tried it.

--
Luc
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Subject	Author
A Tcl for Windows	Helmut Giese
A Tcl for Windows	Andreas Leitgeb
A Tcl for Windows	Helmut Giese
A Tcl for Windows	Harald Oehlmann
A Tcl for Windows	Helmut Giese
A Tcl for Windows	Christian Gollwitzer
A Tcl for Windows	Harald Oehlmann
A Tcl for Windows	Helmut Giese
A Tcl for Windows	Robert Heller
A Tcl for Windows	Luc
A Tcl for Windows	saitology9
A Tcl for Windows	Paul Obermeier