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by: Gil...@gmevel.com - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:58 UTC

Hello all
When performing a C-Find query at study level in Study Root Information Model, one may request for patient-level and study-level attributes.
This is described in table PS 3.4, table C.6-5. Study Level Keys for the Study Root Query/Retrieve Information Model. Last line of the table adds "All other Attributes at Study Level" as optional attributes.

Is there a good reason for not having also in this table "All other Attributes at Patient Level" as Optional attributes, as in table C.6-1. Patient Level Attributes for the Patient Root Query/Retrieve Information Model ?

What I wanted to do is to get the "Issuer of Patient ID Qualifiers Sequence" attribute (0010,0024) in a StudyRoot query at Study level. This does not seem allowed.

Thanks for your help
Gilles

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by: Jörg Riesmeier - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 19:35 UTC

Bonjour Gilles,

I don't think that this was on purpose. As far as I can see, the row "All other Attributes at Study Level: O" has been introduced with DICOM 2003, both to Table C.6-5 and to Table C.6-2.

If I were you, I would submit a CP. The next WG-06 meeting starts in two weeks.

Regards,
Jörg

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by: Jouke Numan - Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:17 UTC

Op maandag 7 maart 2022 om 20:35:39 UTC+1 schreef Jörg Riesmeier:
> Bonjour Gilles,
>
> I don't think that this was on purpose. As far as I can see, the row "All other Attributes at Study Level: O" has been introduced with DICOM 2003, both to Table C.6-5 and to Table C.6-2.
>
> If I were you, I would submit a CP. The next WG-06 meeting starts in two weeks.
>
> Regards,
> Jörg

Hi Gilles,

In study root information model, Patient Level doesn't exist as defined in PS 3.4, Appendix C.3.2 Study Root Query/Retrieve Information Model:

"The Study Root Query/Retrieve Information Model is identical to the Patient Root Query/Retrieve Information Model except the top level is the study level. Attributes of patients are considered to be Attributes of studies"

Appendix C.6.2.1.2 states: "Table C.6-5 defines the keys at the Study Information level of the Study Root Query/Retrieve Information Model"

Thus the statement "All other Attributes at Study Level" is correct, but can be confusing.
You could consider to send a clarification CP on this to add a note.

Regards,
Jouke Numan

Subject	Author
Study Root Queries at Study Level and Patient-level attributes	Gil...@gmevel.com
Study Root Queries at Study Level and Patient-level attributes	Jörg_Riesmeier
Study Root Queries at Study Level and Patient-level attributes	Jouke Numan