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* Re: Feed controlDr. What
`* Re: Feed controlGary Scott
 `* Re: Feed controlR Daneel Olivaw
  `* Re: Feed controlGary Scott
   `- Re: Feed controlLawrence D'Oliveiro

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From: NOSPAMi...@transilvania.org (Dr. What)
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 by: Dr. What - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:52 UTC

-=> Gary Scott wrote to All <=-

GS> On 4/3/2024 7:43 AM, db wrote:
> When I learned Fortran many years ago, the first
> character in a line to be printed (or later,
> displayed) controlled line or page feed. A blank
> produced a new line, a "1" a new page. We used these
> to control what happened.
>
> These days, this doesn't seem to be the case, so
> in a sense, Fortran is no longer backward
> compatible in this one sense. Or is it?
>

GS> This was always, and remains device dependent.

That's not completely true.

Using MS-FORTRAN on my vintage computers, I always have to start my
FORMATs
with "1X". If I fail to do that, the output, even to the screen, chops
off
that first character.

.... Epitaph on a gravestone: Cheerio, see you soon.
___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52

Re: Feed control

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 by: Gary Scott - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 16:43 UTC

On 4/4/2024 8:52 AM, Dr. What wrote:
> -=> Gary Scott wrote to All <=-
>
> GS> On 4/3/2024 7:43 AM, db wrote:
> > When I learned Fortran many years ago, the first
> > character in a line to be printed (or later,
> > displayed) controlled line or page feed. A blank
> > produced a new line, a "1" a new page. We used these
> > to control what happened.
> >
> > These days, this doesn't seem to be the case, so
> > in a sense, Fortran is no longer backward
> > compatible in this one sense. Or is it?
> >
>
> GS> This was always, and remains device dependent.
>
> That's not completely true.
>
> Using MS-FORTRAN on my vintage computers, I always have to start my
> FORMATs
> with "1X". If I fail to do that, the output, even to the screen, chops
> off
> that first character.

Hmmm. I'd say that's precisely what "device dependent" means. Although
some behavior in MS Fortran was just bugs.
>
>
> ... Epitaph on a gravestone: Cheerio, see you soon.
> ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52
>

Re: Feed control

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 by: R Daneel Olivaw - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 17:09 UTC

Gary Scott wrote:
> On 4/4/2024 8:52 AM, Dr. What wrote:
>> -=> Gary Scott wrote to All <=-
>>
>>   GS> On 4/3/2024 7:43 AM, db wrote:
>>   > When I learned Fortran many years ago, the first
>>   > character in a line to be printed (or later,
>>   > displayed) controlled line or page feed. A blank
>>   > produced a new line, a "1" a new page. We used these
>>   > to control what happened.
>>   >
>>   > These days, this doesn't seem to be the case, so
>>   > in a sense, Fortran is no longer backward
>>   > compatible in this one sense. Or is it?
>>   >
>>
>>   GS> This was always, and remains device dependent.
>>
>> That's not completely true.
>>
>> Using MS-FORTRAN on my vintage computers, I always have to start my
>> FORMATs
>> with "1X".  If I fail to do that, the output, even to the screen, chops
>> off
>> that first character.
>
> Hmmm.  I'd say that's precisely what "device dependent" means.  Although
> some behavior in MS Fortran was just bugs.
>>
>>
>> ... Epitaph on a gravestone: Cheerio, see you soon.
>> ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52
>>
>

Not at all, the 1X means that the line-feed character is a space. A "+"
there would probably overlay whatever had previously been printed to
that line with something new.
I have used several different compilers on several different
architectures over the years (the newest adhered to the F77 standard)
and the meaning of the first character on a line was common to all of them.

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 by: Gary Scott - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 01:55 UTC

On 4/4/2024 12:09 PM, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
> Gary Scott wrote:
>> On 4/4/2024 8:52 AM, Dr. What wrote:
>>> -=> Gary Scott wrote to All <=-
>>>
>>>   GS> On 4/3/2024 7:43 AM, db wrote:
>>>   > When I learned Fortran many years ago, the first
>>>   > character in a line to be printed (or later,
>>>   > displayed) controlled line or page feed. A blank
>>>   > produced a new line, a "1" a new page. We used these
>>>   > to control what happened.
>>>   >
>>>   > These days, this doesn't seem to be the case, so
>>>   > in a sense, Fortran is no longer backward
>>>   > compatible in this one sense. Or is it?
>>>   >
>>>
>>>   GS> This was always, and remains device dependent.
>>>
>>> That's not completely true.
>>>
>>> Using MS-FORTRAN on my vintage computers, I always have to start my
>>> FORMATs
>>> with "1X".  If I fail to do that, the output, even to the screen, chops
>>> off
>>> that first character.
>>
>> Hmmm.  I'd say that's precisely what "device dependent" means.
>> Although some behavior in MS Fortran was just bugs.
>>>
>>>
>>> ... Epitaph on a gravestone: Cheerio, see you soon.
>>> ___ MultiMail/Linux v0.52
>>>
>>
>
> Not at all, the 1X means that the line-feed character is a space.  A "+"
> there would probably overlay whatever had previously been printed to
> that line with something new.
> I have used several different compilers on several different
> architectures over the years (the newest adhered to the F77 standard)
> and the meaning of the first character on a line was common to all of them.

There were very many different devices that had different meanings for
various control characters. There were also devices based on EBCDIC
with completely different character "values" used to achieve a similar
effect. There were also many devices that required multi-character
(/binary) control sequences. Just because there was a frequent
convention on Windows or Linux doesn't mean it was universal.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 02:38 UTC

On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 20:55:11 -0500, Gary Scott wrote:

> Just because there was a frequent
> convention on Windows or Linux doesn't mean it was universal.

The conventions predated those platforms by several decades.

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