After writing a reply to a conversation, a captcha message appear, and I cannot continue.
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ABU

Il giorno mercoledì 22 novembre 2023 alle 12:31:28 UTC+1 Aldo Buratti ha scritto:
> After writing a reply to a conversation, a captcha message appear, and I cannot continue.
> What should I do ?
>
> ABU
Silly trying to reply to myself ..

Il giorno mercoledì 22 novembre 2023 alle 12:42:51 UTC+1 Aldo Buratti ha scritto:
> Il giorno mercoledì 22 novembre 2023 alle 12:31:28 UTC+1 Aldo Buratti ha scritto:
> > After writing a reply to a conversation, a captcha message appear, and I cannot continue.
> > What should I do ?
> >
> > ABU
> Silly trying to reply to myself ..
OK, this reply workes. Some other messages I cannot reply ..
Anyway, my question was:
How can I download Tcl9.0 binaries ?

Aldo Buratti <aldo.w.buratti@gmail.com> wrote:
> After writing a reply to a conversation, a captcha message appear,
> and I cannot continue.

> What should I do ?

1) Stop using the google groups web interface.

2) Set up a free account at Eternal September:
https://www.eternal-september.org/

3) Choose a proper USENET newsreader:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders

4) Subscribe to comp.lang.tcl via the proper newsreader and using
Eternal September as the newsserver.

5) Experience a significantly better way to read USENET (the google
groups web interface is the absolute worst way to read/interact with
USENET).

> Anyway, my question was:
> How can I download Tcl9.0 binaries ?

Thanks to Ashok for his single-file builds for Linux, Windows and MacOS, available here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/magicsplat/files/barebones-tcl/tcl9.0-dev/

I've tried Linux and Windows SFE, both work fine with few tiny drawbacks (most weird is handling the tilde of file names, i.e. no handling at all). Though, the drawbacks aren't critical and can be overcome, however ugly and awkward the workarounds are.

> 5) Experience a significantly better way to read USENET (the google
> groups web interface is the absolute worst way to read/interact with
> USENET).

Thank you, Rich, for the advice.

I put it into my "receipt book", to refer at need. Still, for me, the link

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.tcl/search?q=-interwin+and+-slot

.... works OK. This post is a proof.

Am 24.11.2023 um 05:32 schrieb Alex P:
>> Anyway, my question was:
>> How can I download Tcl9.0 binaries ?
>
> Thanks to Ashok for his single-file builds for Linux, Windows and MacOS, available here:
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/magicsplat/files/barebones-tcl/tcl9.0-dev/
>
> I've tried Linux and Windows SFE, both work fine with few tiny drawbacks (most weird is handling the tilde of file names, i.e. no handling at all). Though, the drawbacks aren't critical and can be overcome, however ugly and awkward the workarounds are.

Thank you for testing, great !
About the tilde issue, please look to the migration guide:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9

Take care,
Harald

> About the tilde issue, please look to the migration guide:
>
> https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9

A must for migrating, the best link of all! Thank you.

Well, Harald, you see how my Tcl/Tk knowledge is deprecated and how am ignorant about Tcl 9.0!

I've even not known about the great TIP 602 on tildes:

https://core.tcl-lang.org/tips/doc/trunk/tip/602.md

Uff, obviously the tilde problem has been deeply rooted in Tcl/Tk and will potentially spawn a lot of cries at accepting 9.0 as the mainstream of Tcl. Those who will overcome it will remain with Tcl, others... let go their own way perhaps a better one in their opinions.

Now I'm trying to adapt my alited app to Tcl/Tk 9.0 ... mostly well doing, still a total GUI test should be passed. My tough test is https://github.com/aplsimple/alited/releases/tag/Demos_of_alited-1.4 , now it's made with Tcl/Tk 8.6 and I hope it will be nicely made with 9.0. Imho it's rather good test - for Tk, at least. Hopefully I'd try and note possible pitfalls of v9..0 at that, in order to share this experience however microscopic this experience would be.

That said, Tcl (incl. v9.0) is like a sport of boxing: many come still few rest.

Am 24.11.2023 um 11:45 schrieb Alex P:
>> About the tilde issue, please look to the migration guide:
>>
>> https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/wiki?name=Migrating+scripts+to+Tcl+9
>
> A must for migrating, the best link of all! Thank you.
>
> Well, Harald, you see how my Tcl/Tk knowledge is deprecated and how am ignorant about Tcl 9.0!
>
> I've even not known about the great TIP 602 on tildes:
>
> https://core.tcl-lang.org/tips/doc/trunk/tip/602.md
>
> Uff, obviously the tilde problem has been deeply rooted in Tcl/Tk and will potentially spawn a lot of cries at accepting 9.0 as the mainstream of Tcl. Those who will overcome it will remain with Tcl, others... let go their own way perhaps a better one in their opinions.
>
> Now I'm trying to adapt my alited app to Tcl/Tk 9.0 ... mostly well doing, still a total GUI test should be passed. My tough test is https://github.com/aplsimple/alited/releases/tag/Demos_of_alited-1.4 , now it's made with Tcl/Tk 8.6 and I hope it will be nicely made with 9.0. Imho it's rather good test - for Tk, at least. Hopefully I'd try and note possible pitfalls of v9.0 at that, in order to share this experience however microscopic this experience would be.
>
> That said, Tcl (incl. v9.0) is like a sport of boxing: many come still few rest.

Dear Alex,

yes, only the best will survive ;-).

I thank you for the testing. Your editor is just awesome !
Yes, a lot of basic things have changed.
The tilde story is about files we could not open.
By the way, TIP 771 is another unsolved issue in this respect.
It was moved to later...
But we hope, that we can, at least, open files with Emoji's in the name
now on all platforms (at least, Windows is failing in 8.6).

I can understand, that many of the changes are hard if you have a big
code base. But continuing with code full of bug-fixes and disabilities
is also hard. Most people say: we need it - go or die ;-).

Thanks that you are in the boat,
Harald