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* Steven Pelc explains : Juergen Pintaske is a fraud and a book theftEgbert Kampinsky
`* Re: Steven Pelc explains : Juergen Pintaske is a fraud and a book theftJurgen Pitaske
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Re: Steven Pelc explains : Juergen Pintaske is a fraud and a book theft

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Subject: Re: Steven Pelc explains : Juergen Pintaske is a fraud and a book
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 by: dxforth - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 08:15 UTC

On 19/07/2021 08:32, Hans Bezemer wrote:
> Ever visited comp.lang.c? They have some weird ideas over there.
> They actually TALK about C! They even exchange snippets of actual
> code down there. I even suspect they even write programs in C.
> What waste of time. They have a standard - which everybody obeys.
> And virtually NONE have written their own compiler.

Worse still, they bring these strange ideas to Forth! Only when
obeying becomes hard is progress possible.

>
> Fortunately, I don't have to expect that here. What a relief!
>
> Hans Bezemer

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 by: Marcel Hendrix - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:09 UTC

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:16:01 AM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
[..]
> > And virtually NONE have written their own compiler.
> Worse still, they bring these strange ideas to Forth! Only when
> obeying becomes hard is progress possible.

We don't see that working in child education.

I don't believe it's so much 'obeying'. When in high-school and at the university, lack of money was my main DIY motivator for audio and computers (i.e. Forth).

-marcel

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Subject: Re: Steven Pelc explains : Juergen Pintaske is a fraud and a book
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 by: dxforth - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:06 UTC

On 20/07/2021 21:09, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 10:16:01 AM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
> [..]
>> > And virtually NONE have written their own compiler.
>> Worse still, they bring these strange ideas to Forth! Only when
>> obeying becomes hard is progress possible.
>
> We don't see that working in child education.

Children have neither the maturity nor experience to question what
they've been taught.

>
> I don't believe it's so much 'obeying'. When in high-school and at the university, lack of money was my main DIY motivator for audio and computers (i.e. Forth).
>
> -marcel
>

Presumably you now have money and are able to purchase a ready-made
Forth compiler. Have you - and if not, why?

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> Presumably you now have money and are able to purchase a ready-made
> Forth compiler. Have you - and if not, why?

It seems that you have megalomania, thinking that only the "official" Forth
can be written with high quality.

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 by: Marcel Hendrix - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:33 UTC

On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:06:34 PM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 21:09, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
[..]
> Presumably you now have money and are able to purchase a ready-made
> Forth compiler. Have you - and if not, why?

My own tools have been honed for over 30 years and do exactly
what I want. As compilers go VFX might be better, but I would never
be able to write a SPICE compatibe simulation engine in it that
is 20x faster than LTspice. Learning to use a tool is an essential
part of the journey.

-marcel

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 by: Brian Fox - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:51 UTC

On 2021-07-18 6:32 PM, Hans Bezemer wrote:
> Ever visited comp.lang.c? They have some weird ideas over there.
> They actually TALK about C! They even exchange snippets of actual
> code down there. I even suspect they even write programs in C.
> What waste of time. They have a standard - which everybody obeys.
> And virtually NONE have written their own compiler.
>
> Fortunately, I don't have to expect that here. What a relief!
>
> Hans Bezemer
>

You made me laugh out loud Hans. Well done.

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 by: dxforth - Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:25 UTC

On 20/07/2021 23:33, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 3:06:34 PM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
>> On 20/07/2021 21:09, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> [..]
>> Presumably you now have money and are able to purchase a ready-made
>> Forth compiler. Have you - and if not, why?
>
> My own tools have been honed for over 30 years and do exactly
> what I want. As compilers go VFX might be better, but I would never
> be able to write a SPICE compatibe simulation engine in it that
> is 20x faster than LTspice. Learning to use a tool is an essential
> part of the journey.

So when there is self-sufficiency, there is nothing anyone can offer
you and nobody to obey. Welcome to Forth.

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On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:25:32 PM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
[..]
> So when there is self-sufficiency, there is nothing anyone can offer
> you and nobody to obey. Welcome to Forth.

It is not an unknown concept. Not implying I am anywhere in the same category, but Brian May and Jaco Pastorius built their own instruments, Donald Knuth designed his own CPU architecture, Linus Torvalds created his own OS, van Gogh formulated his own paints, William Mortensen mixed his own chemicals, James Bond crafted his own tobacco mix ... Go and tell them what they should do.

-marcel

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On Tuesday, 20 July 2021 at 17:30:39 UTC+1, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:25:32 PM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
> [..]
> > So when there is self-sufficiency, there is nothing anyone can offer
> > you and nobody to obey. Welcome to Forth.

> It is not an unknown concept.
> Not implying I am anywhere in the same category,
> but Brian May and Jaco Pastorius built their own instruments,
> Donald Knuth designed his own CPU architecture,
> Linus Torvalds created his own OS,
> van Gogh formulated his own paints,
> William Mortensen mixed his own chemicals,
> James Bond crafted his own tobacco mix ...
> Go and tell them what they should do.
>
> -marcel

It is really getting funny here.

But why should I then not try to get in line,
( not serious but .... )
not the same caliber,
But
I generated the only Forth Bookshelf of print books to my knowledge and gave it the name,
at least this contains a bit of Forth.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM
Or MPE with one of the leading commercial Forths
Or FORTH INC with the other one.
And there are many non-commecial Forths out there
So let us at least mention Ting's great work.
And anybody here can add their favourites to this list.

And not to forget the one who started it all
Charles H. Moore, the inventor of Forth.
And without him, there would be no Comp Lang Forth ...
So we all must be very grateful that he made it possible.

Just the right preparation for the next Forth Meeting on Saturday.
See you there.

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 by: dxforth - Wed, 21 Jul 2021 02:08 UTC

On 21/07/2021 02:30, Marcel Hendrix wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 5:25:32 PM UTC+2, dxforth wrote:
> [..]
>> So when there is self-sufficiency, there is nothing anyone can offer
>> you and nobody to obey. Welcome to Forth.
>
> It is not an unknown concept. Not implying I am anywhere in the same category, but Brian May and Jaco Pastorius built their own instruments, Donald Knuth designed his own CPU architecture, Linus Torvalds created his own OS, van Gogh formulated his own paints, William Mortensen mixed his own chemicals, James Bond crafted his own tobacco mix ... Go and tell them what they should do.
>

Were I to do so, it would only indicate I needed them in the same
way standards and their committees need users.

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On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 6:10:19 AM UTC-7, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> > Presumably you now have money and are able to purchase a ready-made
> > Forth compiler. Have you - and if not, why?
> It seems that you have megalomania, thinking that only the "official" Forth
> can be written with high quality.

When I worked at Testra I was given the job of doing something that had never
been done before, which is write an assembler for a VLIW processor. It was my
idea for the assembler to do the out-of-ordering of the instructions. John Hart
had said to make the assembler source-code have rows representing opcodes
and columns representing fields in the opcodes that are executed in parallel
(one clock cycle per opcode), and have the assembly-language programmer
write his program in this two-dimensional manner --- humans can't figure this
out in their head though --- humans think sequentially (one-dimensional).

If DXforth had been hired at Testra he would have said:
"I'm waiting for a ready-made VLIW assembler to be available so you can purchase it.
In the meantime, I will dink around with this Z80 Forth system from R.G. Loeliger.
I expect to stay busy with this until at least 2021!"

My assembler (MFX) for the MiniForth was a rare circumstance because it
involved doing something that had not been done before and was difficult.
Most Forth programs (mayby 95%) are pretty mundane. For these, it is good
to have a standard Forth and code-libraries because getting the program written
quickly and making it easily maintainable is the goal, but being super-creative
is not needed or desired. Of course, the Forth standard has to be designed by
actual Forth programmers, not a retarded sales clown (Elizabeth Rather).

Back in 1995, Tom Hart told me that any maintenance programmer is equal
or better than I am, so I am expendable (he didn't have the money to continue
paying me, but he hoped to have more money in the future). After I left, the liar
began to say that I had not written MFX but that MFX had been written long before
I had arrived and I was just a stupid little maintenance programmer too.
This would have worked if MFX was one of the 95% of Forth programs that
are mundane and could easily be written by anybody. Now, a 1/4 century later
Tom Hart has yet to find any maintenance programmer who is capable of
understanding my MFX, and certainly not of writing something like that
from scratch. So Tom Hart has become a blatant liar, making a public spectacle
of himself in his failure --- he assumed that finding a maintenance programmer
would be easy --- now his shame is on display for the entire world!

I know a woman who designed a website many years ago. She describes this as
being done at the time when websites still involved creativity and programming,
rather than just being "cookie-cutter." Her boss (who was her own father) then
claimed that he had designed and built the website himself. She is no longer
on speaking terms with him because of this. That liar succeeded because he
took credit for something (a website) that was pretty mundane. For the woman,
this was a great accomplishment that she wanted credit for. Realistically though,
websites aren't all that great of an accomplishment --- her father could easily find
maintenance programmers who were capable of picking up her source-code and
running with it (I don't know the details, but it was most likely Perl). Her father
succeeded! Tom Hart failed though. Tom Hart is now the poster-boy of all liars
because he failed --- he thought he could succeed easily by hiring maintenance
programmers --- he failed though, so now everybody in the world sees that he is a liar.

P.S. That woman hates all programmers now. For her, the word "programmer"
is synonymous with "liar," "intellectual property thief" and "scoundrel."
If she sees a shop-lifter get arrested at WalMart she says:
"Look at that programmer in handcuffs!"
She assumes that all programmers steal intellectual property habitually,
and the actual creators of the software always get kicked out as she did.

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On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
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> If DXforth had been hired at Testra he would have said:

So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
actually did something with Forth.

"If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte

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 by: Jurgen Pitaske - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 06:13 UTC

On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 02:51:00 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
> On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> >
> > If DXforth had been hired at Testra he would have said:
> So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
> actually did something with Forth.
>
> "If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte

Well, I do not really think so.
This is not what I call fond.
There is just another twist from yesterday.
His post here was so bad - I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for information,
not expecting a feedback.
I basically got it by return.
Stating, that Hugh sends hate emails.
If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
the amount of re-hires will be minimal.
But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
He must be really disturbed.
Is there no help?

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 by: dxforth - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:05 UTC

On 22/07/2021 16:13, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 02:51:00 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
>> On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>> >
>> > If DXforth had been hired at Testra he would have said:
>> So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
>> actually did something with Forth.
>>
>> "If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte
>
> Well, I do not really think so.
> This is not what I call fond.
> There is just another twist from yesterday.
> His post here was so bad - I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for information,
> not expecting a feedback.
> I basically got it by return.
> Stating, that Hugh sends hate emails.
> If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
> the amount of re-hires will be minimal.
> But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
> He must be really disturbed.
> Is there no help?
>

Marcus Aurelius' Meditations

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 by: Ron AARON - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:12 UTC

On 22/07/2021 11:05, dxforth wrote:
> On 22/07/2021 16:13, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 02:51:00 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote: > > If DXforth had been
>>> hired at Testra he would have said:
>>> So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
>>> actually did something with Forth.
>>> "If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte
>>
>> Well, I do not really think so.
>> This is not what I call fond.
>> There is just another twist from yesterday.
>> His post here was so bad - I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for
>> information,
>> not expecting a feedback.
>> I basically got it by return.
>> Stating, that Hugh sends hate emails.
>> If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
>> the amount of re-hires will be minimal.
>> But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
>> He must be really disturbed.
>> Is there no help?
>>
>
> Marcus Aurelius' Meditations

Pithy, or pissy?

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 by: dxforth - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:34 UTC

On 22/07/2021 18:12, Ron AARON wrote:
>
>
> On 22/07/2021 11:05, dxforth wrote:
>> On 22/07/2021 16:13, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 02:51:00 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
>>>> On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote: > > If DXforth had been
>>>> hired at Testra he would have said:
>>>> So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
>>>> actually did something with Forth.
>>>> "If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte
>>>
>>> Well, I do not really think so.
>>> This is not what I call fond.
>>> There is just another twist from yesterday.
>>> His post here was so bad - I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for
>>> information,
>>> not expecting a feedback.
>>> I basically got it by return.
>>> Stating, that Hugh sends hate emails.
>>> If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
>>> the amount of re-hires will be minimal.
>>> But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
>>> He must be really disturbed.
>>> Is there no help?
>>>
>>
>> Marcus Aurelius' Meditations
>
> Pithy, or pissy?
>

'If symptoms of ego persist consult your healthcare professional.'

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 by: Jurgen Pitaske - Sat, 24 Jul 2021 21:20 UTC

On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 09:34:12 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
> On 22/07/2021 18:12, Ron AARON wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 22/07/2021 11:05, dxforth wrote:
> >> On 22/07/2021 16:13, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 02:51:00 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
> >>>> On 21/07/2021 16:01, Hugh Aguilar wrote: > > If DXforth had been
> >>>> hired at Testra he would have said:
> >>>> So you have fond memories of the good old days at Testra when you
> >>>> actually did something with Forth.
> >>>> "If you want a thing done well, do it yourself" - Napoleon Bonaparte
> >>>
> >>> Well, I do not really think so.
> >>> This is not what I call fond.
> >>> There is just another twist from yesterday.
> >>> His post here was so bad - I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for
> >>> information,
> >>> not expecting a feedback.
> >>> I basically got it by return.
> >>> Stating, that Hugh sends hate emails.
> >>> If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
> >>> the amount of re-hires will be minimal.
> >>> But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
> >>> He must be really disturbed.
> >>> Is there no help?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Marcus Aurelius' Meditations
> >
> > Pithy, or pissy?
> >
> 'If symptoms of ego persist consult your healthcare professional.'

I had hoped
that Peter Whoever would be there at the FIG Zoom event
and give an update/ clarification
- but it seems he preferred not to be present.
No surprise,
as even his origial name was FAKE

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On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59:40 CEST, "mariano vandai gasisa mazzu"
> <mariano.vanda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Kind regards from Spain
> > Mariano
> Your message was posted from the same IP address as Egbert's
> (177.143.80.253) and that address is in Brazil according to
> whois 177.143.80.253
>
> Peter Forth's messages come from the same ISP in Brazil. This
> amateur spoofing is easy to spot. If Juergen would only stop
> replying the war would end.
>
> Stephen
What if Peter and Juergen were the same guy?

I know someone with multiple Facebook accounts. When they post something on one account, they "like" it from the other accounts. It's the next big thing in imaginary friends.

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On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 05:57:08 UTC+1, Brad Eckert wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 1:43:00 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > On 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59:40 CEST, "mariano vandai gasisa mazzu"
> > <mariano.vanda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Kind regards from Spain
> > > Mariano
> > Your message was posted from the same IP address as Egbert's
> > (177.143.80.253) and that address is in Brazil according to
> > whois 177.143.80.253
> >
> > Peter Forth's messages come from the same ISP in Brazil. This
> > amateur spoofing is easy to spot. If Juergen would only stop
> > replying the war would end.
> >
> > Stephen
> What if Peter and Juergen were the same guy?
>
> I know someone with multiple Facebook accounts. When they post something on one account, they "like" it from the other accounts. It's the next big thing in imaginary friends.

I am definitely a different person.
As Stephen Pelc can confirm - as we actually met
I did Sales and Marketing consulting for MPE for 5 years.
And I was at the Euroforth Meeting in in Bath.. So met many there.
And my IP address is not in Brasil.
Actually you could see me and YOUKNOWWHO in Fig zooms -
both visible at the same time and definitely look different and move around so not fake pictures.
But thinking about it -
I wonder how many of the Forth2020 group are actually him
All the fake names he uses on CLF?

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