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* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
+* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
|+- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
|`* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Rod Pemberton
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| `* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hans Bezemer
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|  |  `* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?S Jack
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|  |    +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?John Hart
|  |    +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
|  |    +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Lorem Ipsum
|  |    +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?S Jack
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|  |     `* Division (was: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?)Anton Ertl
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|     +* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
|     |`* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?dxf
|     | `- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
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|     +* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hans Bezemer
|     |`- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Gerry Jackson
|     +* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
|     |`* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?none
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|     |   `- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hans Bezemer
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|     +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
|     +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Lorem Ipsum
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|     +* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hans Bezemer
|     |`- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?dxf
|     +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Lorem Ipsum
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|     +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hans Bezemer
|     +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Lorem Ipsum
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`* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?John Hart
 +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
 +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Hugh Aguilar
 +- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Anton Ertl
 +* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
 |+* Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?John Hart
 ||+- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Jurgen Pitaske
 ||+- Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?Rick C
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Subject: Re: Hugh Aguilar - TESTRA - What really happened there?
From: hughagui...@gmail.com (Hugh Aguilar)
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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:37 UTC

On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:46:55 AM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT), hughag...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I think that Juergen Pintaske is still employed at MPE as a salesman.
> > >Stephen Pelc has never said that Juergen Pintaske is not still employed
> > >at MPE,
> >
> > Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE.
> Why tell me, but not tell Tom Hart?
> When I visited in September of 2019, Tom Hart told me that
> Juergen Pintaske was employed at MPE.
>
> I think that Tom Hart believed that MPE was considering buying
> the Testra processor, and that he needed to attack me on comp.lang.forth
> to make Juergen Pintaske (MPE salesman) happy. This is the "business"
> between MPE and Testra that Juergen Pintaske mentioned earlier in this thread.
> This business never came to anything though --- you were just tugging
> on Tom Hart's chain --- got him excited for nothing!
> > I'm not going to comment on Hugh's fantasies.
> >
> > I'm busy writing new products.
> Stephen Pelc's idea of a "new product" is to do a "clean-room implementation"
> (reverse engineering) of somebody else's product.
> He doesn't do his own R&D. He gets somebody else's R&D without paying for it.
>
> On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 10:46:03 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Stephen Pelc also says this on his website:
> > --------------------------------------------
> > The RTXcore is a VHDL clean-room implementation of the
> > Intersil RTX-2000 for FPGAs. It runs the same instruction set,
> > but twice as fast on a Xilinx Spartan. An an on-chip UART as well as
> > the original peripherals are provided.
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > Stephen Pelc wants the Forthers of the world to believe that he is
> > the master of soft-core Forth processors. He did a
> > "clean-room implementation of the Intersil RTX-2000," meaning that
> > he didn't pay Intersil for their design. He got the R&D done for free
> > using the same "clean-room implementation" technique that Red China uses.
> > The RTX-2000 was actually not competitive with the MiniForth in 1994,
> > and Stephen Pelc's "twice as fast" version isn't competitive with the
> > RACE today, which is several times faster than the MiniForth of 1994.
> > Stephen Pelc can't compete with Testra on a technical basis, so he
> > instead strives to drag Testra through the mud on comp.lang.forth.

I don't believe Stephen Pelc at all when he says:
"Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE."
Juergen Pintaske continues to sell his book: "A Start with Forth."
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073NMX1XP/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i3
This book is essentially an over-grown sales brochure for VFX from MPE.
Juergen Pintaske is still selling VFX for Stephen Pelc at MPE!
Also, as I said, Tom Hart believed that Juergen Pintaske was still employed
by MPE, which is why he responded so enthusiastically to Juergen's request
that he denounce me --- Tom Hart believed that he needed to brown-nose Juergen Pintaske
to sell the Testra processor to Stephen Pelc, but then he failed to make the sale ---
why would Tom Hart believe that Juergen Pintaske was Stephen Pelc's employee
except that Stephen Pelc told him this?

Juergen Pintaske continues to attack me on comp.lang.forth, saying that I
didn't write MFX (assembler, simulator and Forth cross-compiler) at Testra.
What is Juergen's motive, other than basic meanness?
I think Juergen still works for MPE and his job is to attack MPE's competitors,
which primarily include Testra --- so he says that MFX, which is still used by Testra,
was written by an incompetent who got fired afterward --- implying that MFX is crap.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/VneJx1NnLu8

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 16:45:42 UTC, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > Tom Hart seems to not realize that by saying that I'm incompetent
> > > he is actually discrediting MFX --- I wrote MFX, so if I'm incompetent,
> > > what does that say about Testra's MiniForth/RACE processor
> > > that uses MFX as the development system? Many Verilog programmers
> > > (Ilya Tarasov, for example), have said that developing the FPGA
> > > is only half the battle, but the assembler/compiler is the other half.
> > > Testra continues to use MFX today, 25 years after I wrote it,
> > > so if I'm incompetent why didn't they rewrite it during those decades?
> > > Tom Hart, who is not a programmer, will say that MFX is a trivial
> > > assembler and cross-compiler, but if it is trivial to write then why
> > > did they need to hire outside help rather than do it in-house?
> > > MFX is an accomplishment that I'm still proud of 25 years later!
> > > I have never heard of anybody who has a comparable accomplishment.
> LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:12:57 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> IF you wrote MFX and how much of it I do not care
> - neither does the rest of the Forth community I assume.
> It is internal to Testra.
>
> Do not forget,
> they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> when I asked them about your capabilities as of the agression you show here..

Testra continues to use MFX (they have kept UR/Forth going for 25 years after LMI
went out of business so MFX would keep going). Because of this, Testra will continue
to look foolish as Juergen Pintaske continues to attack MFX on comp.lang.forth.
This is Tom Hart's fault. This is not my fault, as I said that MFX was something
that I was proud of --- Tom Hart could have just let me be proud of my accomplishment ---
instead he wanted all of the glory for Testra and none for me, but instead of obtaining glory
he brought disgrace and shame down upon Testra by publicly embracing the pig Pintaske.

Tom Hart deserves Juergen Pintaske --- Tom Hart empowered Juergen Pintaske to attack me
in regard to MFX, and Juergen Pintaske will never stop doing so --- this is Tom Hart's fault.
Tom Hart will spend the rest of his life being embarrassed by Juergen Pintaske saying that
MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.

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 by: Jurgen Pitaske - Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:55 UTC

On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 22:37:54 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:46:55 AM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT), hughag...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >I think that Juergen Pintaske is still employed at MPE as a salesman.
> > > >Stephen Pelc has never said that Juergen Pintaske is not still employed
> > > >at MPE,
> > >
> > > Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE.
> > Why tell me, but not tell Tom Hart?
> > When I visited in September of 2019, Tom Hart told me that
> > Juergen Pintaske was employed at MPE.
> >
> > I think that Tom Hart believed that MPE was considering buying
> > the Testra processor, and that he needed to attack me on comp.lang.forth
> > to make Juergen Pintaske (MPE salesman) happy. This is the "business"
> > between MPE and Testra that Juergen Pintaske mentioned earlier in this thread.
> > This business never came to anything though --- you were just tugging
> > on Tom Hart's chain --- got him excited for nothing!
> > > I'm not going to comment on Hugh's fantasies.
> > >
> > > I'm busy writing new products.
> > Stephen Pelc's idea of a "new product" is to do a "clean-room implementation"
> > (reverse engineering) of somebody else's product.
> > He doesn't do his own R&D. He gets somebody else's R&D without paying for it.
> >
> > On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 10:46:03 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Stephen Pelc also says this on his website:
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > The RTXcore is a VHDL clean-room implementation of the
> > > Intersil RTX-2000 for FPGAs. It runs the same instruction set,
> > > but twice as fast on a Xilinx Spartan. An an on-chip UART as well as
> > > the original peripherals are provided.
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Stephen Pelc wants the Forthers of the world to believe that he is
> > > the master of soft-core Forth processors. He did a
> > > "clean-room implementation of the Intersil RTX-2000," meaning that
> > > he didn't pay Intersil for their design. He got the R&D done for free
> > > using the same "clean-room implementation" technique that Red China uses.
> > > The RTX-2000 was actually not competitive with the MiniForth in 1994,
> > > and Stephen Pelc's "twice as fast" version isn't competitive with the
> > > RACE today, which is several times faster than the MiniForth of 1994.
> > > Stephen Pelc can't compete with Testra on a technical basis, so he
> > > instead strives to drag Testra through the mud on comp.lang.forth.
>
> I don't believe Stephen Pelc at all when he says:
> "Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE."
> Juergen Pintaske continues to sell his book: "A Start with Forth."
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073NMX1XP/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i3
> This book is essentially an over-grown sales brochure for VFX from MPE.
> Juergen Pintaske is still selling VFX for Stephen Pelc at MPE!
> Also, as I said, Tom Hart believed that Juergen Pintaske was still employed
> by MPE, which is why he responded so enthusiastically to Juergen's request
> that he denounce me --- Tom Hart believed that he needed to brown-nose Juergen Pintaske
> to sell the Testra processor to Stephen Pelc, but then he failed to make the sale ---
> why would Tom Hart believe that Juergen Pintaske was Stephen Pelc's employee
> except that Stephen Pelc told him this?
>
> Juergen Pintaske continues to attack me on comp.lang.forth, saying that I
> didn't write MFX (assembler, simulator and Forth cross-compiler) at Testra.
> What is Juergen's motive, other than basic meanness?
> I think Juergen still works for MPE and his job is to attack MPE's competitors,
> which primarily include Testra --- so he says that MFX, which is still used by Testra,
> was written by an incompetent who got fired afterward --- implying that MFX is crap.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/VneJx1NnLu8
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 16:45:42 UTC, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > > Tom Hart seems to not realize that by saying that I'm incompetent
> > > > he is actually discrediting MFX --- I wrote MFX, so if I'm incompetent,
> > > > what does that say about Testra's MiniForth/RACE processor
> > > > that uses MFX as the development system? Many Verilog programmers
> > > > (Ilya Tarasov, for example), have said that developing the FPGA
> > > > is only half the battle, but the assembler/compiler is the other half.
> > > > Testra continues to use MFX today, 25 years after I wrote it,
> > > > so if I'm incompetent why didn't they rewrite it during those decades?
> > > > Tom Hart, who is not a programmer, will say that MFX is a trivial
> > > > assembler and cross-compiler, but if it is trivial to write then why
> > > > did they need to hire outside help rather than do it in-house?
> > > > MFX is an accomplishment that I'm still proud of 25 years later!
> > > > I have never heard of anybody who has a comparable accomplishment.
> > LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:12:57 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > IF you wrote MFX and how much of it I do not care
> > - neither does the rest of the Forth community I assume.
> > It is internal to Testra.
> >
> > Do not forget,
> > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > when I asked them about your capabilities as of the agression you show here..
>
> Testra continues to use MFX (they have kept UR/Forth going for 25 years after LMI
> went out of business so MFX would keep going). Because of this, Testra will continue
> to look foolish as Juergen Pintaske continues to attack MFX on comp.lang.forth.
> This is Tom Hart's fault. This is not my fault, as I said that MFX was something
> that I was proud of --- Tom Hart could have just let me be proud of my accomplishment ---
> instead he wanted all of the glory for Testra and none for me, but instead of obtaining glory
> he brought disgrace and shame down upon Testra by publicly embracing the pig Pintaske.
>
> Tom Hart deserves Juergen Pintaske --- Tom Hart empowered Juergen Pintaske to attack me
> in regard to MFX, and Juergen Pintaske will never stop doing so --- this is Tom Hart's fault.
> Tom Hart will spend the rest of his life being embarrassed by Juergen Pintaske saying that
> MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.

You can pour your shit over Forth and the people here as much as you like,
it will not change how disgusting you are and the picture you create about yourself.

You document your own bullshit, lies and made-ups very nicely.
It is just unfortunate that many have given up to check what is happening here as result of your rants.

FORTHKILLER HUCK AQUILUX ACTIVE AGAIN.

And your Dementia is very visible now, as you cannot even get the basic facts right anymore:

I was never an employee of MPE.

I did part time consulting for MPE for about 5 years as stated at MPE:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Juergen Pintaske
Juergen is our marketing and sales person
promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services.
juergen@exemark.com
Speaks German, English and French.

Juergen's electronics career started young at 12, with his first radio, 80m receiver and amplifier.
Years later, after his Dipl.-Ing. in telecoms, electricity sensors were in
- not the normal stuff but for up to 100kV or 500A, and the first CMOS micro.
Then application engineering at RCA in Brussels, then Germany again.
The first Forth activity was a custom micro running Forth in an FPGA.
Finally a move to the UK, for Marketing, PR, translation,
then went back into sales for 10 years.

In his spare time, Juergen writes and publishes eBooks about electronics and software topics
including Forth, see links on this website from the books page.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The book you mention has nothing to do with MPE as it shos my name
Shows again how little you care about the facts.

You do not even read what is shown on amazon
I collected Bits and Bytes from many in the Forth community and edited it into a book to share their knowledge.


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On Wednesday, 16 June 2021 at 08:55:19 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Tuesday, 15 June 2021 at 22:37:54 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 8:46:55 AM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 10:48:44 AM UTC-7, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:10:22 -0700 (PDT), hughag...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I think that Juergen Pintaske is still employed at MPE as a salesman.
> > > > >Stephen Pelc has never said that Juergen Pintaske is not still employed
> > > > >at MPE,
> > > >
> > > > Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE.
> > > Why tell me, but not tell Tom Hart?
> > > When I visited in September of 2019, Tom Hart told me that
> > > Juergen Pintaske was employed at MPE.
> > >
> > > I think that Tom Hart believed that MPE was considering buying
> > > the Testra processor, and that he needed to attack me on comp.lang.forth
> > > to make Juergen Pintaske (MPE salesman) happy. This is the "business"
> > > between MPE and Testra that Juergen Pintaske mentioned earlier in this thread.
> > > This business never came to anything though --- you were just tugging
> > > on Tom Hart's chain --- got him excited for nothing!
> > > > I'm not going to comment on Hugh's fantasies.
> > > >
> > > > I'm busy writing new products.
> > > Stephen Pelc's idea of a "new product" is to do a "clean-room implementation"
> > > (reverse engineering) of somebody else's product.
> > > He doesn't do his own R&D. He gets somebody else's R&D without paying for it.
> > >
> > > On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 10:46:03 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Stephen Pelc also says this on his website:
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > > The RTXcore is a VHDL clean-room implementation of the
> > > > Intersil RTX-2000 for FPGAs. It runs the same instruction set,
> > > > but twice as fast on a Xilinx Spartan. An an on-chip UART as well as
> > > > the original peripherals are provided.
> > > > --------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Pelc wants the Forthers of the world to believe that he is
> > > > the master of soft-core Forth processors. He did a
> > > > "clean-room implementation of the Intersil RTX-2000," meaning that
> > > > he didn't pay Intersil for their design. He got the R&D done for free
> > > > using the same "clean-room implementation" technique that Red China uses.
> > > > The RTX-2000 was actually not competitive with the MiniForth in 1994,
> > > > and Stephen Pelc's "twice as fast" version isn't competitive with the
> > > > RACE today, which is several times faster than the MiniForth of 1994.
> > > > Stephen Pelc can't compete with Testra on a technical basis, so he
> > > > instead strives to drag Testra through the mud on comp.lang.forth.
> >
> > I don't believe Stephen Pelc at all when he says:
> > "Juergen left MPE about six month ago. He no longer works for MPE."
> > Juergen Pintaske continues to sell his book: "A Start with Forth."
> > https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B073NMX1XP/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i3
> > This book is essentially an over-grown sales brochure for VFX from MPE.
> > Juergen Pintaske is still selling VFX for Stephen Pelc at MPE!
> > Also, as I said, Tom Hart believed that Juergen Pintaske was still employed
> > by MPE, which is why he responded so enthusiastically to Juergen's request
> > that he denounce me --- Tom Hart believed that he needed to brown-nose Juergen Pintaske
> > to sell the Testra processor to Stephen Pelc, but then he failed to make the sale ---
> > why would Tom Hart believe that Juergen Pintaske was Stephen Pelc's employee
> > except that Stephen Pelc told him this?
> >
> > Juergen Pintaske continues to attack me on comp.lang.forth, saying that I
> > didn't write MFX (assembler, simulator and Forth cross-compiler) at Testra.
> > What is Juergen's motive, other than basic meanness?
> > I think Juergen still works for MPE and his job is to attack MPE's competitors,
> > which primarily include Testra --- so he says that MFX, which is still used by Testra,
> > was written by an incompetent who got fired afterward --- implying that MFX is crap.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/VneJx1NnLu8
> >
> > On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 16:45:42 UTC, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > > > Tom Hart seems to not realize that by saying that I'm incompetent
> > > > > he is actually discrediting MFX --- I wrote MFX, so if I'm incompetent,
> > > > > what does that say about Testra's MiniForth/RACE processor
> > > > > that uses MFX as the development system? Many Verilog programmers
> > > > > (Ilya Tarasov, for example), have said that developing the FPGA
> > > > > is only half the battle, but the assembler/compiler is the other half.
> > > > > Testra continues to use MFX today, 25 years after I wrote it,
> > > > > so if I'm incompetent why didn't they rewrite it during those decades?
> > > > > Tom Hart, who is not a programmer, will say that MFX is a trivial
> > > > > assembler and cross-compiler, but if it is trivial to write then why
> > > > > did they need to hire outside help rather than do it in-house?
> > > > > MFX is an accomplishment that I'm still proud of 25 years later!
> > > > > I have never heard of anybody who has a comparable accomplishment..
> > > LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
> >
> > On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 12:12:57 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > IF you wrote MFX and how much of it I do not care
> > > - neither does the rest of the Forth community I assume.
> > > It is internal to Testra.
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > > when I asked them about your capabilities as of the agression you show here..
> >
> > Testra continues to use MFX (they have kept UR/Forth going for 25 years after LMI
> > went out of business so MFX would keep going). Because of this, Testra will continue
> > to look foolish as Juergen Pintaske continues to attack MFX on comp.lang.forth.
> > This is Tom Hart's fault. This is not my fault, as I said that MFX was something
> > that I was proud of --- Tom Hart could have just let me be proud of my accomplishment ---
> > instead he wanted all of the glory for Testra and none for me, but instead of obtaining glory
> > he brought disgrace and shame down upon Testra by publicly embracing the pig Pintaske.
> >
> > Tom Hart deserves Juergen Pintaske --- Tom Hart empowered Juergen Pintaske to attack me
> > in regard to MFX, and Juergen Pintaske will never stop doing so --- this is Tom Hart's fault.
> > Tom Hart will spend the rest of his life being embarrassed by Juergen Pintaske saying that
> > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> You can pour your shit over Forth and the people here as much as you like,
> it will not change how disgusting you are and the picture you create about yourself.
>
> You document your own bullshit, lies and made-ups very nicely.
> It is just unfortunate that many have given up to check what is happening here as result of your rants.
>
> FORTHKILLER HUCK AQUILUX ACTIVE AGAIN.
>
> And your Dementia is very visible now, as you cannot even get the basic facts right anymore:
>
> I was never an employee of MPE.
>
> I did part time consulting for MPE for about 5 years as stated at MPE:
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Juergen Pintaske
> Juergen is our marketing and sales person
> promoting MPE Forth and MPE Consultancy Services.
> jue...@exemark.com
> Speaks German, English and French.
>
> Juergen's electronics career started young at 12, with his first radio, 80m receiver and amplifier.
> Years later, after his Dipl.-Ing. in telecoms, electricity sensors were in
> - not the normal stuff but for up to 100kV or 500A, and the first CMOS micro.
> Then application engineering at RCA in Brussels, then Germany again.
> The first Forth activity was a custom micro running Forth in an FPGA.
> Finally a move to the UK, for Marketing, PR, translation,
> then went back into sales for 10 years.
>
> In his spare time, Juergen writes and publishes eBooks about electronics and software topics
> including Forth, see links on this website from the books page.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> The book you mention has nothing to do with MPE as it shos my name
> Shows again how little you care about the facts.
>
> You do not even read what is shown on amazon
> I collected Bits and Bytes from many in the Forth community and edited it into a book to share their knowledge.
>
> And as well all know,
> my Forth Bookshelf as well as the Forth you complain about will live a lot longer than you and me.
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM
>
> Have a nice day.


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 by: Rod Pemberton - Wed, 16 Jun 2021 19:28 UTC

On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 9:57:43 AM UTC-7,
> > jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 24 November 2020 at 16:45:42 UTC, Hugh Aguilar wrote:

> > > > > Tom Hart seems to not realize that by saying that I'm
> > > > > incompetent he is actually discrediting MFX --- I wrote MFX,
> >
> > > IF you wrote MFX and how much of it I do not care
> > > - neither does the rest of the Forth community I assume.
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> >
> > Testra continues to use MFX (they have kept UR/Forth going for 25
> > years after LMI went out of business so MFX would keep going).
> >
>
> You can pour your shit over Forth and the people here as much as you
> like, it will not change how disgusting you are and the picture you
> create about yourself.
>
> You document your own bullshit, lies and made-ups very nicely.
> It is just unfortunate that many have given up to check what is
> happening here as result of your rants.
>

Hugh's rants give the /strong/ impression that he's narcissistic. Read:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
https://10faq.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

In other words, Hugh must always see himself as the "King of the Hill",
as royalty, as perfect, and in total control, in regards to all things
Forth. All conflict with Hugh shall be repressed, suppressed, and
oppressed, for Hugh is the King! All hail mighty Hugh!

King of the Hill (game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Hill_(game)

I.e., Forth revolves entirely around Hugh. Per his proclamations, he's
the greatest Forth programmer ever, better than Ms. Rather. He's more
knowledgeable than Anton Ertl on the Forth specifications. He's the
only one who can properly code quotations etc. He's provided the Forth
world with his brilliant gift of the novice Forth package. He produced
the most awesome Forth in the world for Testra. ... etc, bloated ego
crap.

So, the best thing to do with Hugh, is to keep him in check, by
reminding him repeatedly that he's not at the top, but that he is at
the very bottom of this pile of crap we call life, so that he can come
to grips with reality via psychotic breaks.

Unfortunately, you're putting a lot of effort into rebuking Hugh, and
he's going to burn you out, because he doesn't stop.

--
What is hidden in the ground, when found, is hidden there again?

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On Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 11:27:07 AM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> So, the best thing to do with Hugh, is to keep him in check, by
> reminding him repeatedly that he's not at the top, but that he is at
> the very bottom of this pile of crap we call life, so that he can come
> to grips with reality via psychotic breaks.

This isn't the first time that Rod Pemberton has told me that I'm at the very bottom
of this pile of crap we call life:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.asm.x86/c/IVtSmnc2ddw/m/CH3O3IUjBAAJ

On Wednesday, November 2, 2016 at 7:36:13 PM UTC-7, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:30:03 -0700 (PDT)
> hughag...@nospicedham.gmail.com wrote:
> > How much cost is there in doing a JMP (unconditional)? This is always
> > predicted correctly, so there shouldn't be much cost --- the
> > trace-cache doesn't get emptied out and refilled --- OTOH, a new
> > 16-byte paragraph has to be loaded and compiled because the jump
> > destination is not likely to be in the same paragraph as the JMP is.
> > I wonder about this question because quite a lot of my primitives end
> > in DROP --- should I have a JMP to the DROP function, or should I
> > inline the DROP code? Also, is there any difference in speed between
> > a JMP with an 8-bit displacement and a JMP with a 16-bit displacement?
> ¿Qué? Habla Inglés por favor. Lenguaje ensamblador no tiene una
> instrucción DROP. Los programadores del Forth en comp.lang.forth
> pueden saber sobre DROP. (Gracias, Google Translate.)
> > The x86 continues to be mysterious to me --- certainly the most
> > complicated processor that I've ever worked with...
> "Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200."

Frank Kotler the moderator of comp.lang.asm.x86 agrees that I'm at the
the very bottom of this pile of crap we call life. Later in the thread we have:

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 4:48:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Kotler wrote:
> hughag...@nospicedham.gmail.com wrote:
>
> ...
> > Rod Pemberton is a troll.
> Bye, Hugh.
>
> Sincerely,
> Frank

So Frank Kotler kicked me off comp.lang.asm.x86.
I think my questions were valid though. None of this optimization stuff is
documented. This is partly because there are multiple x86 chip makers,
but mostly because all of the x86 chip makers consider the internal workings
of their chip to be proprietary. None of them document how trace code works..
There is the Intel manual #2 that covers optimization, but it is very vague.. It just has
suggestions but nothing concrete in regard to timing. There is also Agner Fog's
writings --- he doesn't have any inside information from the chip makers though.
Ultimately, all x86 assembly-language programmers are being treated like
mushrooms --- kept in the dark and fed a pile of crap --- we aren't worthy of knowing
anything about how trace-code works.

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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
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> >
> > Do not forget,
> > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here

> MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.

What was said:
"Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
but is not really a team player."
I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.

If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.

Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.

We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.

It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

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On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 21:03:21 UTC+1, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> clip
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> What was said:
> "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> but is not really a team player."
> I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
>
> If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
>
> Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.
>
> We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
>
> It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

Copy and paste from the other posts

Well, I do not really think so - you are not fond of what you did then.
This is not what I call fond of.

There is just another twist as of yesterday.

Hugh's post there was so bad
- I sent it to Tom Hart at Testra for information,
not expecting a feedback.

I basically got it by return.
Stating, that Hugh sends them hate emails.

If he does this with all of his ex-employers,
the amount of re-hires will be minimal.

But it shows he behaves in the same way in any direction.
He must be really disturbed.
Is there no help?

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On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> clip
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> What was said:
> "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> but is not really a team player."
> I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
>
> If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
>
> Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.

This is most likely Tom Hart trying to impersonate his younger brother John Hart.
John Hart has an email at testra.com --- he wouldn't use a gmail address.

It is absurd for Tom Hart to say that he should have fired me in 1995 because I now call him
a liar for refusing to admit that I wrote MFX after I quit and tried to find a paying job.
At the time that I quit, I didn't know that he was going to lie about MFX after I left.

Also, in Tom Hart's response to Juergen Pintaske he said this:
> I let him go myself,
> after I had given him a project to write a DXF converter to HPGL code.
> He would not take any direction.
> I scrapped the project.

The liar Tom Hart told Juergen Pintaske that I had been fired, but now he backtracks
and admits that I wasn't fired but I just quit because of the low pay and no health-insurance.
The liar Tom Hart also fabricates a bogus story, saying that I failed to write a simple data-format
conversion program from DXF to HPGL. Tom Hart is lying! I never even heard of HPGL before
he flung this filthy lie at me --- I had to look HPGL up on Wikipedia to find out what it is.
Tom Hart just makes up apocryphal stories to illustrate some higher truth that only he knows,
but his stories are untrue --- Tom Hart just pulls shit out of his ass and calls it the truth.

Tom Hart is a liar!
He quoted this patronizing "very intelligent" quote out of context. This is bullshit!
What the liar Tom Hart said was:
> [Hugh] had nothing to do with the processor itself,
> that was all designed by John Hart and Steve Brault.
>
> The PLD version was based upon our original Forth Engine done long before we ever ran across Hugh.

Tom Hart is lying!
The truth is that I wrote MFX, which was the assembler, simulator and Forth cross-compiler
for the MiniForth processor. This was done during the development of the MiniForth.
Tom Hart is lying when he says that the MiniForth was completed long before I worked there.
I remember that the instruction set was changing daily as John Hart worked to get a design
that was adequate for the motion-control program and (most importantly) that routed.
This is why I had my DUJOUR.4TH file --- I was isolating the changeable aspects of the ISA.
Now the liar Tom Hart says that the MiniForth was developed long before I worked .there,
essentially saying that I was just a stupid little maintenance programmer who required
the assembler and all of the assembler primitives to be written first before I could write
an interactive Forth for the MiniForth. Tom Hart is lying! The truth is that the interactive
Forth was written after I left. It was most likely a port of figForth done by Tom Hart himself.

> We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.

Go to Hell and burn, you filthy liar!
I will never help you make money again! You deserve to fail badly, and publicly.

For the record, in that conversation with John Hart I was told that I would be working for free
because Tom Hart would never agree to pay me so much as one penny, and that all I would get
would be access to Testra's FPGA tools --- I don't even know VHDL or Verilog though, so I have no
use for FPGA tools --- I'm just a programmer, and like all programmers I need money to buy food.
After I wrote MFX for Testra, you tell me that I'm going to be an unpaid intern who might learn???
When you burn in Hell, the whole place will reek of flaming bullshit and everybody will want to leave.

> It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

You didn't give me any opportunity, you filthy liar!
In 1994/1995 you refused to give me health insurance, and you said that I would never get a raise,
so I would be stuck at $10/hour forever, which was poverty level in 1995, and is worse now.
You intended to betray me from the first day that I worked there. You are very proud to say
that Testra developed the MiniForth/RACE entirely from scratch. Testra used its own HDL
rather that use LDL (Lattice Design Language) for the Lattice isp1048 PLD. Whoop-dee-doo!
You are ashamed of the fact that Testra had to hire outside help to write the assembler
and write all of the general-purpose assembly-language code --- so you lied about this ---
for the last 25 years you have told everybody that John Hart wrote the assembler and
all of the general--purpose assembly-language code, effectively telling everybody that
I was the liar when I said that I wrote the assembler and all of the general--purpose
assembly-language code. This kills any chance of me getting a job as a programmer
because nobody is going to hire a stupid little maintenance programmer who later on
pretends to be the original programmer. You intended to lie about this from the beginning.

I'm not going to look at things from the perspective of Tom Hart, because Tom Hart
is a liar who is already in his own Hell --- the only legacy that he will leave on Earth
is that everybody will know that he is a liar --- he should just commit suicide and end it.
Tom Hart will never be forgiven! His perspective is looking up at the world from Hell.
While he continues to live though, he looks down on the world from his monster truck.

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John Hart <johnrogerhart@gmail.com> writes:
>It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
>wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
>us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

Don't worry. Anybody who has read a few of Hugh Aguilar's postings
in the last decade is unlikely to take them at face value.

- anton
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On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 21:03:21 UTC+1, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> clip
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> What was said:
> "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> but is not really a team player."
> I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
>
> If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
>
> Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.
>
> We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
>
> It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

Thanks for posting this here. John
This is basically what Tom had sent back in his email,
but I did not want to talk about it here too much without him agreeing.

As we know, for him everybody is a liar,
probably including his wife, his children and neighbours.
He wastes his time on these long posts,
rather than producing something useful.

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Hugh appears to be stuck in a time loop, like Phill Connors in Ground Hogs Day. I've been ignoring his emails
because it didn't seem like responding would help and his reply confirms it. When he stopped by a few years ago,
it was my impression he was working on a 4th processor similar to ours. I didn't mention that most companies
would object to an ex employee using their IP. I actually hoped he could do something with it and brought up
our FPGA development tool because feedback would help us refine it and might help him with his project.
His brother worked for us after he left on the HPGL converter, not Hugh. When he complained about it,
I explained that Tom was confused about that, and thought that would be the end of it.

Now, almost a lifetime after he worked for us, inconsequential errors have multiplied into a
litany of grievances from healthcare to pay, wasting space on a board dedicated to improving the Forth
language, something Hugh and everyone else here believes in, I would hope. What a waste!

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 by: dxforth - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:18 UTC

On 23/07/2021 17:05, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>
> As we know, for him everybody is a liar,
> probably including his wife, his children and neighbours.
> He wastes his time on these long posts,
> rather than producing something useful.
>

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

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On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 09:43:39 UTC+1, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hugh appears to be stuck in a time loop, like Phill Connors in Ground Hogs Day. I've been ignoring his emails
> because it didn't seem like responding would help and his reply confirms it. When he stopped by a few years ago,
> it was my impression he was working on a 4th processor similar to ours. I didn't mention that most companies
> would object to an ex employee using their IP. I actually hoped he could do something with it and brought up
> our FPGA development tool because feedback would help us refine it and might help him with his project.
> His brother worked for us after he left on the HPGL converter, not Hugh. When he complained about it,
> I explained that Tom was confused about that, and thought that would be the end of it.
>
> Now, almost a lifetime after he worked for us, inconsequential errors have multiplied into a
> litany of grievances from healthcare to pay, wasting space on a board dedicated to improving the Forth
> language, something Hugh and everyone else here believes in, I would hope. What a waste!

Is the VHDL Tool accessible or available under NDA?
When I saw it at the time, I thought - what a brilliant idea.

I was involved with a customer in the past with something similar: Handel-C at ESL. C to Gates
https://www.design-reuse.com/articles/7656/fast-route-from-system-specification-to-implementation.html
This article could be recycled by changing it to TestraSW toGATES,
All of the advantages of Forth like interactive, quick test benches and so on come to mind
And the SW application running on the VHDL can be Forth as well or else if people want.

MPE has something like SOCKPUPPET in a different area already,
connecting Forth and other languages.

TestraFORTHtoVHDL - it must be there for many years now.
Could this be made available as Open Source?
Could this be a route?

VFXtoVHDL?
Might be worth a discussion with Stephen Pelc.

This would definitely get the name and competence of Testra
around in the Forth and VHDL Circles and elsewhere..

This could be a very low cost advertisement for Testra and your products,
and bring in new customers who need problems solved.

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On 2021-07-23 5:18 AM, dxforth wrote:
> On 23/07/2021 17:05, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
>>
>> As we know, for him everybody is a liar,
>> probably including his wife, his children and neighbours.
>> He wastes his time on these long posts,
>> rather than producing something useful.
>>
>
> Blessed are the cheesemakers.

I think it refers to all dairy producers.

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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:20 UTC

On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.

This is not John Hart. This is Tom Hart impersonating his younger brother John.
He is still pushing the lie about the interactive Forth compiler. He is not giving me
credit for writing the assembler and all of the general-purpose assembly code.
He is saying IP when he means ISA --- he doesn't know his terminology.
> It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

This is definitely Tom Hart.
I remember that Tom Hart would sometimes impersonate John Hart on the phone because
he is the president of Testra and John Hart is required to believe and say what Tom Hart
tells him to believe and say, so he figured that the impersonation was equivalent to the truth.
He did this when a job interviewer called Testra asking for John Hart for a reference --- I heard
this over the speaker phone (tip for Tom Hart: that echoing in the phone means others are listening,
which may be the person that you are talking about).

How am I supposed to correct a problem by looking at it from the perspective of Tom Hart?
Tom Hart has been refusing to admit that I wrote MFX since the day I left Testra.
Is Tom Hart now saying that I should have stopped saying that I wrote MFX and let the lie fly
that this was written in-house and I was just a maintenance programmer? If I saw the situation
from Tom Hart's perspective I would have realized that this is the best marketing for Testra,
and by participating in the marketing like this, I would have been eligible for rehire --- but it would
still be at $10/hour with no health-insurance because Tom Hart said that this was permanent.

MFX is an accomplishment that I'm proud of --- Tom Hart can't take that away from me.
Tom Hart isn't a programmer at all (the only Forth code he has written was the text-UI for
16-bit UR/Forth that nobody has ever volunteered to learn) --- his opinion of my programming
"talent" doesn't mean anything --- nobody considers him to be a programmer --- he is a
marketing genius (an idiot in regard to technology, but a real charmer).

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On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 08:05:28 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 21:03:21 UTC+1, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > clip
> > > >
> > > > Do not forget,
> > > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> > What was said:
> > "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> > but is not really a team player."
> > I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
> >
> > If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> > he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
> >
> > Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.
> >
> > We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> > have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> > years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> > or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
> >
> > It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> > wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> > us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.
> Thanks for posting this here. John
> This is basically what Tom had sent back in his email,
> but I did not want to talk about it here too much without him agreeing.
>
> As we know, for him everybody is a liar,
> probably including his wife, his children and neighbours.
> He wastes his time on these long posts,
> rather than producing something useful.

Just for the fun of it
and as I had a bit of spare time
and as well wanted to know
if it is quick to do:

I copied the whole thread here and converted it into a PDF.
Generated some links to jump to the posters.

Is it worth it?
Well, the inputs of about 2 years of about 25 people posting.

The cover page I generated for this document:

Hugh Aguilar

- TESTRA - What really happened there?

Copy and Paste of a thread on Comp Lang Forth

More than 2800 reads

170 Posts by 26 people

Comes out as a 206 page PDF document

The people who posted there – just a few names I know
( sorted alphabethically - sorry if I missed somebody )

Click on the link to jump to the first post of this person in the PDF document

Poster1
Poster2
Poster 3
Poster4 Anton Ertl
Poster5
Poster6
Poster7
Poster8
Poster9
Poster10
Poster11
Poster12 Hugh Aguilar
Poster13 Ilya Tarasov
Poster14
Poster15
Poster16 Juergen Pintaske
Poster17
Poster18
Poster19
Poster20
Poster21
Poster22 Peter You Know Who
Poster23
Poster24
Poster 25 Stephen Pelc
Poster26

PDF prepared by Juergen Pintaske, Exmark July 2021
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/wydQr643gX0

For now I made it accessible in my dropbox - yes it is free - but I am not sure when I run out of space there and have to delete the folder.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0

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On Sunday, 25 July 2021 at 13:08:24 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Friday, 23 July 2021 at 08:05:28 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 21:03:21 UTC+1, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > clip
> > > > >
> > > > > Do not forget,
> > > > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > > > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> > > What was said:
> > > "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> > > but is not really a team player."
> > > I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
> > >
> > > If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> > > he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
> > >
> > > Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.
> > >
> > > We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> > > have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> > > years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> > > or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
> > >
> > > It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> > > wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> > > us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.
> > Thanks for posting this here. John
> > This is basically what Tom had sent back in his email,
> > but I did not want to talk about it here too much without him agreeing.
> >
> > As we know, for him everybody is a liar,
> > probably including his wife, his children and neighbours.
> > He wastes his time on these long posts,
> > rather than producing something useful.
> Just for the fun of it
> and as I had a bit of spare time
> and as well wanted to know
> if it is quick to do:
>
> I copied the whole thread here and converted it into a PDF.
> Generated some links to jump to the posters.
>
> Is it worth it?
> Well, the inputs of about 2 years of about 25 people posting.
>
> The cover page I generated for this document:
>
>
> Hugh Aguilar
>
> - TESTRA - What really happened there?
>
> Copy and Paste of a thread on Comp Lang Forth
>
> More than 2800 reads
>
> 170 Posts by 26 people
>
> Comes out as a 206 page PDF document
>
> The people who posted there – just a few names I know
> ( sorted alphabethically - sorry if I missed somebody )
>
> Click on the link to jump to the first post of this person in the PDF document
>
> Poster1
> Poster2
> Poster 3
> Poster4 Anton Ertl
> Poster5
> Poster6
> Poster7
> Poster8
> Poster9
> Poster10
> Poster11
> Poster12 Hugh Aguilar
> Poster13 Ilya Tarasov
> Poster14
> Poster15
> Poster16 Juergen Pintaske
> Poster17
> Poster18
> Poster19
> Poster20
> Poster21
> Poster22 Peter You Know Who
> Poster23
> Poster24
> Poster 25 Stephen Pelc
> Poster26
>
> PDF prepared by Juergen Pintaske, Exmark July 2021
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/wydQr643gX0
>
> For now I made it accessible in my dropbox - yes it is free - but I am not sure when I run out of space there and have to delete the folder.
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0

Seems to be of interest.
After 2 days, the 2800 views then are now at over 3000.

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On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 6:20:44 am UTC+10, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> > have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> > years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> > or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
> This is not John Hart. This is Tom Hart impersonating his younger brother John.
> He is still pushing the lie about the interactive Forth compiler. He is not giving me
> credit for writing the assembler and all of the general-purpose assembly code.
> He is saying IP when he means ISA --- he doesn't know his terminology.
> > It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> > wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> > us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.
> This is definitely Tom Hart.
> I remember that Tom Hart would sometimes impersonate John Hart on the phone because
> he is the president of Testra and John Hart is required to believe and say what Tom Hart
> tells him to believe and say, so he figured that the impersonation was equivalent to the truth.
> He did this when a job interviewer called Testra asking for John Hart for a reference --- I heard
> this over the speaker phone (tip for Tom Hart: that echoing in the phone means others are listening,
> which may be the person that you are talking about).
>
> How am I supposed to correct a problem by looking at it from the perspective of Tom Hart?
> Tom Hart has been refusing to admit that I wrote MFX since the day I left Testra.
> Is Tom Hart now saying that I should have stopped saying that I wrote MFX and let the lie fly
> that this was written in-house and I was just a maintenance programmer? If I saw the situation
> from Tom Hart's perspective I would have realized that this is the best marketing for Testra,
> and by participating in the marketing like this, I would have been eligible for rehire --- but it would
> still be at $10/hour with no health-insurance because Tom Hart said that this was permanent.
>
> MFX is an accomplishment that I'm proud of --- Tom Hart can't take that away from me.
> Tom Hart isn't a programmer at all (the only Forth code he has written was the text-UI for
> 16-bit UR/Forth that nobody has ever volunteered to learn) --- his opinion of my programming
> "talent" doesn't mean anything --- nobody considers him to be a programmer --- he is a
> marketing genius (an idiot in regard to technology, but a real charmer).

In Japan sue for not recognising kudos, money money. Persons reputation is worth money. Work done and accomplishments=reputation, money. Seem big in forth.

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On Thursday, 29 July 2021 at 12:56:34 UTC+1, Fourthy Forth wrote:
> On Saturday, 24 July 2021 at 6:20:44 am UTC+10, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> > > have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> > > years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> > > or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
> > This is not John Hart. This is Tom Hart impersonating his younger brother John.
> > He is still pushing the lie about the interactive Forth compiler. He is not giving me
> > credit for writing the assembler and all of the general-purpose assembly code.
> > He is saying IP when he means ISA --- he doesn't know his terminology.
> > > It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> > > wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> > > us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.
> > This is definitely Tom Hart.
> > I remember that Tom Hart would sometimes impersonate John Hart on the phone because
> > he is the president of Testra and John Hart is required to believe and say what Tom Hart
> > tells him to believe and say, so he figured that the impersonation was equivalent to the truth.
> > He did this when a job interviewer called Testra asking for John Hart for a reference --- I heard
> > this over the speaker phone (tip for Tom Hart: that echoing in the phone means others are listening,
> > which may be the person that you are talking about).
> >
> > How am I supposed to correct a problem by looking at it from the perspective of Tom Hart?
> > Tom Hart has been refusing to admit that I wrote MFX since the day I left Testra.
> > Is Tom Hart now saying that I should have stopped saying that I wrote MFX and let the lie fly
> > that this was written in-house and I was just a maintenance programmer? If I saw the situation
> > from Tom Hart's perspective I would have realized that this is the best marketing for Testra,
> > and by participating in the marketing like this, I would have been eligible for rehire --- but it would
> > still be at $10/hour with no health-insurance because Tom Hart said that this was permanent.
> >
> > MFX is an accomplishment that I'm proud of --- Tom Hart can't take that away from me.
> > Tom Hart isn't a programmer at all (the only Forth code he has written was the text-UI for
> > 16-bit UR/Forth that nobody has ever volunteered to learn) --- his opinion of my programming
> > "talent" doesn't mean anything --- nobody considers him to be a programmer --- he is a
> > marketing genius (an idiot in regard to technology, but a real charmer).

> In Japan sue for not recognising kudos, money money. Persons reputation is worth money. Work done and accomplishments=reputation, money. Seem big in forth.

I am sorry, but your google translation into English is difficult to understand.

I can only guess, that you want to say that the value of a professional person is in its profile and achievements.
That is how I see it as well.

Any work done in your profession is worth money as it will lead to the next job - probably better paid.
This is not only relevant to Forth - but in any profession, software or hardware.

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 by: Jon Nicoll - Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:07 UTC

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:20:44 PM UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> > We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> > have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> > years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> > or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.
> This is not John Hart. This is Tom Hart impersonating his younger brother John.
> He is still pushing the lie about the interactive Forth compiler. He is not giving me
> credit for writing the assembler and all of the general-purpose assembly code.
> He is saying IP when he means ISA --- he doesn't know his terminology.
> > It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> > wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> > us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.
> This is definitely Tom Hart.
> I remember that Tom Hart would sometimes impersonate John Hart on the phone because
> he is the president of Testra and John Hart is required to believe and say what Tom Hart
> tells him to believe and say, so he figured that the impersonation was equivalent to the truth.
> He did this when a job interviewer called Testra asking for John Hart for a reference --- I heard
> this over the speaker phone (tip for Tom Hart: that echoing in the phone means others are listening,
> which may be the person that you are talking about).
>
> How am I supposed to correct a problem by looking at it from the perspective of Tom Hart?
> Tom Hart has been refusing to admit that I wrote MFX since the day I left Testra.
> Is Tom Hart now saying that I should have stopped saying that I wrote MFX and let the lie fly
> that this was written in-house and I was just a maintenance programmer? If I saw the situation
> from Tom Hart's perspective I would have realized that this is the best marketing for Testra,
> and by participating in the marketing like this, I would have been eligible for rehire --- but it would
> still be at $10/hour with no health-insurance because Tom Hart said that this was permanent.
>
> MFX is an accomplishment that I'm proud of --- Tom Hart can't take that away from me.
> Tom Hart isn't a programmer at all (the only Forth code he has written was the text-UI for
> 16-bit UR/Forth that nobody has ever volunteered to learn) --- his opinion of my programming
> "talent" doesn't mean anything --- nobody considers him to be a programmer --- he is a
> marketing genius (an idiot in regard to technology, but a real charmer).

I'm just shooting from the peanut gallery here ... but isn't the recent takeaway from
this the news that Hugh has a brother, ?also a Forth Programmer?, who also
worked for Testra at one point, on a different project (the HPGL one)?

Don't these guys ever talk to each other? Is Hugh's brother a maintenance
programmer? Have I misunderstood everything? Great minds want to know...

J^n

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 by: dxforth - Fri, 30 Jul 2021 03:30 UTC

On 30/07/2021 06:07, Jon Nicoll wrote:
> ...
> I'm just shooting from the peanut gallery here ... but isn't the recent takeaway from
> this the news that Hugh has a brother, ?also a Forth Programmer?, who also
> worked for Testra at one point, on a different project (the HPGL one)?
>
> Don't these guys ever talk to each other? Is Hugh's brother a maintenance
> programmer? Have I misunderstood everything? Great minds want to know...

It will only lead to disappointment like the alleged sacking which took
two years to retract.

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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Sat, 31 Jul 2021 01:05 UTC

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 1:43:39 AM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hugh appears to be stuck in a time loop, like Phill Connors in Ground Hogs Day. I've been ignoring his emails
> because it didn't seem like responding would help and his reply confirms it. When he stopped by a few years ago,
> it was my impression he was working on a 4th processor similar to ours. I didn't mention that most companies
> would object to an ex employee using their IP. I actually hoped he could do something with it and brought up
> our FPGA development tool because feedback would help us refine it and might help him with his project.

This is certainly Tom Hart impersonating John Hart.
When I stopped by and spoke to John Hart, I told him that my processor design was VLIW and
was for Forth, but it was not derived from the MiniForth RACE. My TOYF has three fields
and the MiniForth/RACE has five. I'm assuming an ALU for every field. The MiniForth did not
have an ALU (it did 16+16-bit integer addition with a half-adder and XOR which was pretty
complicated, and I have already said that I didn't write the code for that function).
Tom Hart is now making a false accusation against me in a public place, saying that I was
stealing Testra's intellectual property (presumably what IP means). This is not true.
My visit was primarily for the purpose of telling John Hart that I was not stealing from Testra.
John Hart asked me to work for Testra, but not get paid, so I obviously declined.

> His brother worked for us after he left on the HPGL converter, not Hugh. When he complained about it,
> I explained that Tom was confused about that, and thought that would be the end of it.

Tom Hart is attacking my family members now! This is more bullshit.

During that visit when I spoke to John Hart I said that my AutoCAD DXF to GCODE program
could have been a success if I had used Bezier Splines to smooth out the hundreds of
little line-segments that pointed in random directions, sometimes crossed each other, etc..
I also said that I had not known about Bezier Splines at the time that I worked for Testra,
but just read about the subject in a magazine years later (so I still don't know anything about it).
John Hart said that he tried to incorporate Bezier Splines into my program after I left,
but he wasn't able to succeed at this because the math was above his head.
He knows more math than I do, so I doubt that would have succeeded either, but I didn't
know about Bezier Splines at the time so I never tried --- I still don't know enough about
the subject to be able to estimate how difficult that would be --- also, the program I had
with a lot of rules I made up for smoothing out the roughness was already taking over
1/2 hour to run, so I doubt that Bezier Splines were possible on the Pentium of 1995 anyway.

> Now, almost a lifetime after he worked for us, inconsequential errors have multiplied into a
> litany of grievances from healthcare to pay, wasting space on a board dedicated to improving the Forth
> language, something Hugh and everyone else here believes in, I would hope. What a waste!

I'm mad because Tom Hart refuses to admit that I wrote MFX.
The low pay and lack of healthcare was the reason why I quit, but I wasn't mad at Testra
at the time that I quit --- I understood that they just didn't have any money.
I expected to be given credit for writing MFX though --- Tom Hart pulled the rug out from under
me by saying (when called for a job reference) that I had accomplished "nothing" and that
I was "not eligible for rehire."

On Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 1:03:21 PM UTC-7, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> clip
> > >
> > > Do not forget,
> > > they fired you as Testra stated somewhere here
> > MFX was written by an incompetent who got fired as a result --- this will never end.
> What was said:
> "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth,
> but is not really a team player."
> I don't know if the first part is still true, but it appears the second part still is.
>
> If he could get over himself and show some concern for others,
> he could be a valuable asset, instead of a loose cannon.
>
> Hugh wasn't fired but based on the hate filled emails he's been sending, he should have been.
>
> We are just finishing our third gen, 4th, FPGA processor, (32bit 50Mips 4Kluts) and could
> have used some help with the compiler Hugh wrote. When I talked to him a few
> years about it, he said he was working on his own forth IP and epressed no interest in ours
> or the tools we developed to accelerate FPGA designs that I offered to share with him.

I think that the reason why Tom Hart was not giving me a reference, but instead was
telling my potential employers that I had been fired, was that he wanted to prevent me
from getting a job. He hoped that I would become unemployed and broke, and so I would
return to work at Testra at the same low pay and no healthcare, but without
all of the complaining about living in poverty. Of course, for this plan to work, I would
have to be unaware that Tom Hart was not giving me a reference. That could have worked.
Most HR people will not tell me that I got a purely negative reference, but will say a euphemism
such as: "Your experience is not a good fit for us." or: "Don't call us, we'll call you."
What Tom Hart didn't realize is that he was on speaker phone and I was listening.
Now, 1/4 century later, Tom Hart whines about how I would have been of help in upgrading
to their new FPGA processor --- note that he continues to tell the lie that I wrote
the interactive Forth compiler, and continues to refuse to admit that I wrote MFX.

After listening to Tom Hart denounce me (he was impersonating John Hart at the time
and I thought it was John Hart), I stopped applying for programming jobs.
My only claim to fame was having written MFX. Without out that, there was no further
point in applying for programming jobs, so I never did again.

> It's dissapointing to see someone with talent who we gave an opportunity to do what he
> wanted, a chance to show what he could do, turn against us twent years later and blame
> us for something he could correct by looking at things from the perspective of others.

This will never be corrected.
I will never be a "valuable asset" to Testra again.
Tom Hart will not leave any legacy on Earth except that everyone will know he lied.

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 by: Hugh Aguilar - Sat, 31 Jul 2021 01:33 UTC

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 6:05:59 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> When I stopped by and spoke to John Hart, I told him that my processor design was VLIW and
> was for Forth, but it was not derived from the MiniForth RACE. My TOYF has three fields
> and the MiniForth/RACE has five. I'm assuming an ALU for every field. The MiniForth did not
> have an ALU (it did 16+16-bit integer addition with a half-adder and XOR which was pretty
> complicated, and I have already said that I didn't write the code for that function).

This was incorrect. Only the A and B fields need an ALU, but the M field does not
(The M field contains instructions for accessing memory, hence the 'M').

John Hart is a weakling. He has been bullied by his big brother Tom (two years older)
ever since they were boys, and he decided a long time ago that he couldn't fight this,
so he had to just acquiesce and support his big brother 100%. Tom Hart took advantage
of this to become a parasite. Tom Hart makes almost no technical contribution to Testra,
but he gets the lion's share of the money --- being a bully is his only job.

John Hart is very religious and doesn't want to be called a liar.
They way that he avoids being called a liar is to just say that he supports Tom Hart 100%
and let Tom Hart do the talking, without making any statements of his own.
I got an email from John Hart (the real John Hart with the Testra email address,
not the fake John Hart with the gmail address). John Hart was very careful in his email
to not admit that I wrote MFX --- John Hart will never admit that I wrote MFX because
this would contradict Tom Hart, and John Hart never contradicts Tom Hart.

This is the email in its entirety:
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Hugh,

Life is short but the reward is eternal for those who learn the Law of Love and follow it.

Hate isn't the opposite of Love, apathy is. So if one sees something wrong in the world
they should get involved. But even in a world where everyone is trying to do right
problems arise because no one but God knows everything, which means we are subject to
deception. Unfortunately, most people don't consider the possibility they could be wrong
and blindly stick to erroneous conclusions. That's the reason for strife in the world and
the reason for flame wars. Evil comes from willful self ignorance, not error.

Years ago I spent a great deal of time in news groups, trying to explain what I
discovered to people on both sides of the abortion, (killing children before birth)
issue, and got a lot of experience dealing with flame wars. My primary goal in life
is to end child killing. It's as important to our children's and grand children's
future as the abolition of slavery was. Flame wars in comp.lang.forth aren't nearly
as important, but because I care, I'm writing this.

I apologize for what harm Tom's poor response to a query by someone in the group caused.
It was made worse by him confusing you with your brother, and someone selectively quoting
it, broke social etiquette. You had a right to object before continuing with your argument.
I suspect you were right and were attacked because the person couldn't refute your point.
Unfortunately the attack diverted you and started a feud that's been going on far too long.
I doubt anyone knows what was being discussed at the time.

Your weak spot was used against you!

If you want to make Forth more competitive and useful, which I believe you do,
don't respond to personal attacks, ignore them, welcome them, they mean you won,
that the person couldn't counter your argument. Claim victory and summarize your
point. Responding in kind to ad hominem attacks, throws your victory away and
brings you down to the level of the one attacking you.

jrh

ps. you have permission to post this if you want.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I doubt that God wants people to inflict irksome holier-than-thou sermons on each other.
I think that She wants people to tell the truth.
John Hart: TELL THE TRUTH! ADMIT THAT I WROTE MFX!

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On Sunday, July 25, 2021 at 5:08:24 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just for the fun of it
> and as I had a bit of spare time
> and as well wanted to know
> if it is quick to do:
>
> I copied the whole thread here and converted it into a PDF.

I would not trust anything that Juergen Pintaske produces.
It seems very likely that he has edited this to make me appear to say things
that I did not say. Juergen has a long history of twisting people's words
to make them seem to be agreeing with him when they were not agreeing with him.
There is no reason why he would want to distribute his own PDF except to edit it.

Here is an example of him saying that I stated something I did not state:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/0IQudXjWoTw

On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 11:59:58 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 2:31:29 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > And even regarding MFX the truth comes out slowly now.
> >
> > Testra exactly knew what they wanted as you state yourself - so you only implemented it.
> > I now wonder, how much is actuallyy your work.
> You are a liar!
> I have said many times that I designed MFX as well as wrote it:
>
> On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 11:01:11 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > When I worked at Testra I was given the job of doing something that had never
> > been done before, which is write an assembler for a VLIW processor. It was my
> > idea for the assembler to do the out-of-ordering of the instructions. John Hart
> > had said to make the assembler source-code have rows representing opcodes
> > and columns representing fields in the opcodes that are executed in parallel
> > (one clock cycle per opcode), and have the assembly-language programmer
> > write his program in this two-dimensional manner --- humans can't figure this
> > out in their head though --- humans think sequentially (one-dimensional).

Here is another example:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/8Aj4BpLs7Cw

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:53:08 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 7:43:35 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, 11 July 2021 at 15:30:32 UTC+1, Ilya Tarasov wrote:
> > > Yay! Where is my popcorn? :)
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7XvA9gOCxQ
> > You are completely right Ilya.
> > Rather attack than knowing what they are talking about.
> Juergen Pintaske is such a liar! lol
> Here we have Ilya obviously not supporting Juergen, but instead laughing about
> how this fight between Juergen Pintaske and Stephen Pelc becomes public
> similar to a Mortal Kombat fantasy fight in front of a cheering audience.
> Juergen twists this into making it seem as if Ilya is 100% supporting Juergen.

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On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 4:43:39 AM UTC-4, johnro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hugh appears to be stuck in a time loop, like Phill Connors in Ground Hogs Day.

Yes, and from time to time he snares others into his time loop vortex, such as you. I spent my turn trying to converse with him and Juergen but they are both unresponsive to reason. Juergen completely fails to understand that using profanity in describing his encounters with Hugh is counter productive (not that there is anything at all productive in discussing this at all) and Hugh is simply not rational and may meet a formal definition of mentally ill.

> I've been ignoring his emails
> because it didn't seem like responding would help and his reply confirms it.

You aren't the first to catch on slowly and require personal exchanges with Hugh to understand his disease.

> When he stopped by a few years ago,
> it was my impression he was working on a 4th processor similar to ours.

Hugh has talked about designing a processor in an FPGA, but he shows no understanding of the nature of the devices and analyzes the structure of the machine in terms of the software only. Without understanding how the various functions of the architecture would be implemented, such a design is likely to be unbalanced, large and slow.

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