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by: Hugh Aguilar - Wed, 8 Sep 2021 18:42 UTC

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 1:14:03 AM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> #1.) Anton Ertl and Bernd Paysan--- liars or truth-tellers?
> They say (in their 2018 EuroForth paper):
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> the higher-order word that calls the rquotation must not use locals
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> I say that I upgraded rquotations to access the locals in the parent function (that calls the higher-order function) despite the fact that
> the higher-order function (HOF) has locals of its own. This was
> for VFX in July of 2016, about two days after HumptyDumpty
> posted his prototype that lacked this crucial feature. A few days
> later I had this working for SwiftForth too.
>
> Anton Ertl and Bernd Paysan are obviously lying.
> I provided the working source-code in July 2016, which is two years
> prior to the liars' bogus EuroForth paper, and have also provide
> demonstration code to show how it works.

Anton Ertl now changes his story:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/oV0MC_uEU3k/m/Tg6SrtKzBQAJ

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 8:24:44 AM UTC-7, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Ruvim <ruvim...@gmail.com> writes:
> >I thought about this problem before. Why not throw out our conventional
> >control flow structures for choices and loops and just use the
> >quotation-based approach? Factor and some other languages go by this way.
> In particular, Postscript.
>
> Why not in Forth? One reason is that you cannot use the return stack
> or locals to pass data into or out of quotations. Hugh Aguilar's
> version of rquotations would at least allow locals; not sure about
> humptydumpty's version.

Anton Ertl is pretending that he just now found out that my upgrade on HumptyDumpty's
rquotations allows the rquotation to access the parent function's local variables
despite the HOF (higher-order function) having local variables of its own.
This is bullshit --- my upgrade was for VFX in July of 2016, about two days after
HumptyDumpty posted his prototype that lacked this crucial feature. A few days
later I had this working for SwiftForth too.

As an historical note, I got the idea from Factor.

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by: dxforth - Thu, 9 Sep 2021 03:01 UTC

On 9/09/2021 04:42, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>
> As an historical note, I got the idea from Factor.

Your flirting with other languages, you've previously documented.

"I tried Factor for a while ... I didn't like it ... The dynamic OOP is
also very un-Forth-like. This was my biggest problem; that I don't
understand dynamic OOP ... I may go back to Factor later, if I don't like
Lisp/Scheme for some reason ... I did take away from Factor the idea of
having a standard data-structure ... This inspired me to do the same in
my novice package"

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/xpjPI4_BTek/m/mEAP3GIoccEJ

"Forth failed ... because of a lack of leadership."

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/xpjPI4_BTek/m/VaIeKMIDTA0J

"if I really was serious about getting a job I would bite the bullet and
learn Java, just like everybody else."

If anything, you appear more directionless and inconsistent than most.

Subject	Author
Re: Thanksgiving Day Parade of Liars	Hugh Aguilar
Re: Thanksgiving Day Parade of Liars	dxforth