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* Re: New assignmens ...Chris Angelico
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 by: Chris Angelico - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:49 UTC

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 7:46 PM Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@vub.be> wrote:
> > So if you want this added, show a use-case that makes it look way
> > better than the alternatives (including a generator, a mid-loop break,
> > etc).
>
> Way better according to which criteria? IMO to realy make something like
> this you would need a one and a half loop. But although at some time there
> was a strong indication it would get included, the idea was eventually discarted.
>
> So I'll argue for incremental better if I see a possibility. A few incremental
> betters can eventually result in something that is way better than the original.

According to any criteria you like. Remember, the onus is not on the
status quo to justify itself; the onus is on someone who wants to make
a change.

Demonstrate that a change is needed by showing the benefits.

ChrisA

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 by: Paul Rubin - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:25 UTC

Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:
> Demonstrate that a change is needed by showing the benefits.

It seems like a principle of least astonishment thing to me.

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