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Ulli Horlacher wrote:
> When I compile my programs with pyinstaller, Windows classifies them as
> virus and even deletes them!
> [...]
> What can I do?

Stop writing viruses ;)

Have you tried compiling from a different machine? Maybe there's
something broken on the one that's flagging them.

Alternatively, maybe run updates?

> Rebooting does not help :-}
If testing from a different machine works ... format and reinstall might
be the fastest fix for the affected machine.

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by: Barry Scott - Thu, 25 Nov 2021 14:38 UTC

> On 25 Nov 2021, at 09:20, Ulli Horlacher <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>
> When I compile my programs with pyinstaller, Windows classifies them as
> virus and even deletes them!

Microsoft will fix the malware detection if you provide the info they need.

Submit false positive info to: https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/submission/submit.aspx <https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/submission/submit.aspx>

I have done this for a false positive in the past and they do resolve the false positive.

Barry

>
> pyinstaller.exe --onefile --noconsole -i fex.ico fextasy.py
> 187 INFO: PyInstaller: 4.7
> 187 INFO: Python: 3.10.0
> 218 INFO: Platform: Windows-10-10.0.19041-SP0
> 218 INFO: wrote P:\W10\fextasy.spec
> (...)
> 14392 INFO: Copying 0 resources to EXE
> 14392 INFO: Emedding manifest in EXE
> 14392 INFO: Updating manifest in P:\W10\dist\fextasy.exe
> 14533 INFO: Updating resource type 24 name 1 language 0
> 14579 INFO: Appending PKG archive to EXE
> 18836 INFO: Building EXE from EXE-00.toc completed successfully.
>
> https://fex.flupp.org/fop/ylds7Y9d/X-20211125101112.png
>
> What can I do?
>
> Rebooting does not help :-}
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by: Richard Damon - Thu, 25 Nov 2021 17:48 UTC

On 11/25/21 12:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 4:18 AM Ulli Horlacher
> <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, if you're not going to go to the effort of getting your
>>> executables signed
>> I cannot sign my executables (how can I do it anyway?), because Windows
>> deletes my executable as soon as I have compiled them! They exist only
>> for a few seconds and then they are gone.
>>
>>
>>> another reason to just distribute .py files.
>> I cannot do that because my users do not have Python installed and they
>> are not allowed to do it.
>>
> Are they really allowed to install your unsigned executables but are
> not allowed to install Python from a known and trusted source?
>
> If there's some bizarre loophole that allows them to run completely
> untrusted binary code, but not to run legitimate code that can be
> fetched from a variety of trusted places (including python.org, the
> Windows store, etc), then I'm afraid you're on your own, and will
> probably need to play around with the exact loophole to figure out
> what is going to be permitted.
>
> Alternatively, just go find the person who decides what gets
> installed, and request a Python interpreter to be added to the
> permitted list. That's probably easier, and it's certainly going to be
> better long-term.
>
> ChrisA

My first guess is it isn't so much what is 'allowed' but what can be
easily done.

On a somewhat locked down computer, the user does not have admin rights,
so needs to get 'IT' to run any installers that need admin permissions
to run.

And EXE that just needs to be copied to the computer and rhen just RUN,
doesn't need IT to 'install' it (they just can't put it into Program
Files, but that isn't really that important for programs that don't need
an installer.

Likely, just copying an EXE file from an outside source may still be
against the rules (and needs approval), but some think if they can do it
and no one complains, it must be ok. On the other hand, they may have
given approval, knowing the source.

--
Richard Damon

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by: Chris Angelico - Thu, 25 Nov 2021 18:00 UTC

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 4:50 AM Richard Damon <Richard@damon-family.org> wrote:
>
> On 11/25/21 12:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 4:18 AM Ulli Horlacher
> > <framstag@rus.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
> >> Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Unfortunately, if you're not going to go to the effort of getting your
> >>> executables signed
> >> I cannot sign my executables (how can I do it anyway?), because Windows
> >> deletes my executable as soon as I have compiled them! They exist only
> >> for a few seconds and then they are gone.
> >>
> >>
> >>> another reason to just distribute .py files.
> >> I cannot do that because my users do not have Python installed and they
> >> are not allowed to do it.
> >>
> > Are they really allowed to install your unsigned executables but are
> > not allowed to install Python from a known and trusted source?
> >
> > If there's some bizarre loophole that allows them to run completely
> > untrusted binary code, but not to run legitimate code that can be
> > fetched from a variety of trusted places (including python.org, the
> > Windows store, etc), then I'm afraid you're on your own, and will
> > probably need to play around with the exact loophole to figure out
> > what is going to be permitted.
> >
> > Alternatively, just go find the person who decides what gets
> > installed, and request a Python interpreter to be added to the
> > permitted list. That's probably easier, and it's certainly going to be
> > better long-term.
> >
> > ChrisA
>
> My first guess is it isn't so much what is 'allowed' but what can be
> easily done.
>
> On a somewhat locked down computer, the user does not have admin rights,
> so needs to get 'IT' to run any installers that need admin permissions
> to run.

Can someone confirm that it's still possible to run the Python
installer without admin rights, for a per-user installation? It always
used to be possible, but I haven't checked.

> Likely, just copying an EXE file from an outside source may still be
> against the rules (and needs approval), but some think if they can do it
> and no one complains, it must be ok. On the other hand, they may have
> given approval, knowing the source.

Maybe. I would still consider it unlikely that you can run an EXE from
an arbitrary source, but can't run a trusted installer from a known
source. You're right that admin perms would be harder, but that
shouldn't stop you from installing Python.

Also, obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1200/

ChrisA

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by: Chris Angelico - Thu, 25 Nov 2021 21:08 UTC

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 7:53 AM Mats Wichmann <mats@wichmann.us> wrote:
>
> On 11/25/21 11:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> > Can someone confirm that it's still possible to run the Python
> > installer without admin rights, for a per-user installation? It always
> > used to be possible, but I haven't checked.
>
> You only need admin rights for some special cases. While Win7 was still
> supported, you needed to run the (included) installer for vcredist of a
> different version than the one that comes with Win7, and that needed
> admin rights (unfortunately, the Python installer didn't prompt for that
> and so the vcredist install failed silently, leaving a broken install if
> you didn't already have it from other means - but that's all in the past
> now). It's possible you also need it for the Python Launcher, since
> that goes into a "system location" (not sure about that one). And if
> you asked for an install for "all users" that requires admin rights.

That's what I thought, yeah. So even on a system you don't own, where
you're not allowed to get admin privileges, it should still be
possible to install Python just fine.

Would be worth testing (if someone has a fresh Windows system around)
to see if it's possible to set up the "double click on .py file to run
it" association without admin privileges. That's the only part that
might be a limitation.

ChrisA

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by: Avi Gross - Thu, 25 Nov 2021 23:17 UTC

I am not sure what your real problem is, Ulli, but many antivirus programs
can be TEMPORARILY shut off. Not highly recommended, of course, but if you
properly disable it on a newly rebooted system running little, and it still
happens, then something else may be going on.

If one recognizes your code a potentially having a virus, it may be for an
assortment of reasons such as a table it contains to look at position N in
the executable for an exact match with some bit-string. If so, one potential
fix is a slight change in the code that compiles a bit differently like
x=sin(30) or other filler.

But consider another possibility that your compiler software is compromised
and actually placing something into everything it compiles. Is this
happening to only one set of code?

You can think of other similar experiments based on your setup that may help
you debug and perhaps your problem is something else entirely.

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Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, if you're not going to go to the effort of getting your
> executables signed

I cannot sign my executables (how can I do it anyway?), because Windows
deletes my executable as soon as I have compiled them! They exist only for a
few seconds and then they are gone.

> another reason to just distribute .py files.

I cannot do that because my users do not have Python installed and they are
not allowed to do it.

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by: Ulli Horlacher - Fri, 26 Nov 2021 07:13 UTC

Avi Gross <avigross@verizon.net> wrote:

> I am not sure what your real problem is, Ulli, but many antivirus programs
> can be TEMPORARILY shut off.

Meanwhile I found this configuration option.
But this does not help me much, because my programs must run on other
Windows PCs of other users and they cannot disable the default Windows
virus scanner.

I for myself does not use Windows at all, I just use it to compile my
programs.

> If one recognizes your code a potentially having a virus, it may be for an
> assortment of reasons such as a table it contains to look at position N in
> the executable for an exact match with some bit-string. If so, one potential
> fix is a slight change in the code that compiles a bit differently like
> x=sin(30) or other filler.

I do not know what and where the virus scanning is complaining about.
It simple says virus threat found and then it deletes my executables.
It is the default virus scanner of Windows 10, I have not installed any
additional software (besides Python and cygwin).

> But consider another possibility that your compiler software is compromised

Then https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.10.0/python-3.10.0-amd64.exe
is infected. I doubt this.

> Is this happening to only one set of code?

This is happening SOMETIMES, not always. With the SAME source code. When I
call pyinstaller often enough, then the virus scanner is quiet. In about 1
of 20 compile runs.

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by: Edmondo Giovannozzi - Fri, 26 Nov 2021 09:28 UTC

Il giorno venerdì 26 novembre 2021 alle 08:13:50 UTC+1 Ulli Horlacher ha scritto:
> Avi Gross <avig...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I am not sure what your real problem is, Ulli, but many antivirus programs
> > can be TEMPORARILY shut off.
> Meanwhile I found this configuration option.
> But this does not help me much, because my programs must run on other
> Windows PCs of other users and they cannot disable the default Windows
> virus scanner.
>
> I for myself does not use Windows at all, I just use it to compile my
> programs.
> > If one recognizes your code a potentially having a virus, it may be for an
> > assortment of reasons such as a table it contains to look at position N in
> > the executable for an exact match with some bit-string. If so, one potential
> > fix is a slight change in the code that compiles a bit differently like
> > x=sin(30) or other filler.
> I do not know what and where the virus scanning is complaining about.
> It simple says virus threat found and then it deletes my executables.
> It is the default virus scanner of Windows 10, I have not installed any
> additional software (besides Python and cygwin).
> > But consider another possibility that your compiler software is compromised
> Then https://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.10.0/python-3.10.0-amd64.exe
> is infected. I doubt this.
> > Is this happening to only one set of code?
> This is happening SOMETIMES, not always. With the SAME source code. When I
> call pyinstaller often enough, then the virus scanner is quiet. In about 1
> of 20 compile runs.
> --
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You can try to download winpython: https://github.com/winpython/winpython/releases
It is an executable, but you don't need to execute it as it is a 7zip compressed archive.
You may run it or use directly 7zip to decompress it, the result will be the same.
Then you have a full python installation that don't need to be installed.
You may try to put your program there and give the users that directory.

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pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Ulli Horlacher
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Dan Purgert
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Ulli Horlacher
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Ulli Horlacher
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Chris Angelico
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Ulli Horlacher
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Chris Angelico
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Richard Damon
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Ulli Horlacher
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Chris Angelico
Re: pyinstaller wrong classified as Windows virus	Mats Wichmann
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