On 07 Feb 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article fdac27eb-1a04-404f-abab-6b5c5bbdd2a6n@googlegroups.com
<jpitaske@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

> On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 21:03:07 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
>> On 07 Feb 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article
>> 78d083c1-6b20-4bb4...@googlegroups.com <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske)
>> wrote:

>> Thanks Anton for demonstrating JP's horizon :p

>>> Sorry, overlooked Ulrike,
>>> Andrea was not in the list I saw.
>> Mit Brille wär das nicht passiert! (alte deutsche Werbung)
>>
>> (This wouldn't happen with a lens)
>> Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
>> Wolfgang

JP> Was fuer ein Arschloch bist denn Du?

(Nice: What kind of asshole I am?)

Keine Panik, an Dich komm ich nie ran.
Du bist einfach der hüstel das Größte Arschloch bei clf :p

(Don't panic, I'll never reach you.
You are <ahem> you have simply the biggest asshole at clf)

*I* earned my money always the *hard-working* and *honest* way.
Never cheated on anyone. *I* can write my own name correctly.
Your mileage is different.
Q.E.D.

Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
Wolfgang

--
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Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
(lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

On 7/02/2022 20:15, Anton Ertl wrote:
> dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
>>The last person left standing gets to keep it.
>
> No, if the Forth e.V. dissolves, the prize goes back to its creator.

No matter - a god whose time had passed. Forthers have found themselves a
greater god in the form of the Hydra, invoking him each time they write {: :}

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:00:55 +1100
dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/02/2022 20:15, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> writes:
> >>The last person left standing gets to keep it.
> >
> > No, if the Forth e.V. dissolves, the prize goes back to its creator.
>
> No matter - a god whose time had passed. Forthers have found themselves a
> greater god in the form of the Hydra, invoking him each time they write {: :}

Time to re-implement SWAP??!?

--
xchg bx,[sp]

Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Am 07/02/2022 um 11:00 schrieb Wolfgang Allinger:
>
> On 07 Feb 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 78d083c1-6b20-4bb4-96c4-a23834bd50f8n@googlegroups.com
> <jpitaske@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 09:26:00 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> It is just unfortunate, that with such a system,
>>>> neither Chuck
>>>> nor Ting
>>>> nor many others worldwide=20
>>>> will have the opportunity to get this honour ...
>>> Sure they have. They have the opportunity to participate in the
>>> Forth-Tagung, and if they do, Swappie may tell the Dragon Council to
>>> award them.
>>>> It seems that Stephen Pelc was the only non-German until now.
>>> 2007 Anton Ertl
>>> 2009 Stephen Pelc
>>> 2013 Gerald Wodni
>>>
>>> It's just that there are not that many non-Germans that participate at
>>> the Forth-Tagung.
>>>
>>>> No female -=20
>>>> in these gender aware times at least Elizabeth Rather should be considered
>>>> (stay calm Hugh!)
>>> 1992 Ulrike Schnitter
>>> 2018 Andrea Heil-Rieger
>>> - anton
>
> Thanks Anton for demonstrating JP's horizon :p
>
>> Sorry, overlooked Ulrike,
>> Andrea was not in the list I saw.
>
> Mit Brille wär das nicht passiert! (alte deutsche Werbung)
>
> (This wouldn't happen with a lens)
>
>
>
> Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
> Wolfgang
>
Hi Wolfgang,

Thank you for you comment - it led me to this fine example of 1980's
Europop :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYGwyk4w28s

:-)

Seien Sie gegrüßt
Howerd

On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 16:43:10 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 12:55:45 UTC, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > On 7 Feb 2022 at 09:14:02 CET, "Jurgen Pitaske" <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > You have to attend in person otherwise you don't touch Swappie's mind.
> >
> > The location of Forth Tagung is often such that it is difficult for
> > non-Germans
> > to get to - they think that is part of the attraction.
> >
> > If you do not speak German, you are going to miss out on a lot.
> >
> > However, Forth-Tagung is usually worth attending - I've been to a few.
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> > --
> > Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
> > MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> > 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> > tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612, +34 649 662 974
> > http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> Anybody interested,
> can see the picture of the Forth Dragon for the time being here:
> https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> I convinced Rolf to show it for now.
> But I think not on the list to be sold.

The link to the sculptor Rolf
https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb

But more interesting, the 2019 Dragon video
13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start

and the video on Saturday
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis

Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video

And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
He/She is sitting on one.in the video

On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 08:32:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 16:43:10 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 12:55:45 UTC, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > > On 7 Feb 2022 at 09:14:02 CET, "Jurgen Pitaske" <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > You have to attend in person otherwise you don't touch Swappie's mind.
> > >
> > > The location of Forth Tagung is often such that it is difficult for
> > > non-Germans
> > > to get to - they think that is part of the attraction.
> > >
> > > If you do not speak German, you are going to miss out on a lot.
> > >
> > > However, Forth-Tagung is usually worth attending - I've been to a few.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > > --
> > > Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
> > > MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> > > 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> > > tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612, +34 649 662 974
> > > http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > Anybody interested,
> > can see the picture of the Forth Dragon for the time being here:
> > https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> > I convinced Rolf to show it for now.
> > But I think not on the list to be sold.
> The link to the sculptor Rolf
> https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
>
> But more interesting, the 2019 Dragon video
> 13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start
>
> and the video on Saturday
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis
>
> Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
> And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video
>
> And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
> He/She is sitting on one.in the video

Well, for now this project has been brought to a successful end.
Thanks to everybody who helped:

The sculptor has agreed.

The scanned data has been made available,

see part of the email:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Just saw your email earlier today.

Here is the file release and the data:

https://theworldsend.eu/oc/s/3YzTtYsctbYn9yQ

For the Prusa slicer, the scaling factor is 21560

Before I had passed on the dragon 10 years ago,
I took 700 photos, in the hope that the dragon could materialize again for me.
A 3D printer or even having Meshroom available was a long way off for me,
but 3 years ago the time came.
Unfortunately, I didn't choose the camera positions then as Meshroom expected.
Nevertheless, the result is quite good, except for a snout.
With Blender this could be repaired, so I have included 1 photo.
(But it could also be that my son will fix this soon.)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So now I hope that some people here will try it out and give feedback.

On Wednesday, 16 February 2022 at 08:46:48 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 08:32:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 16:43:10 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Monday, 7 February 2022 at 12:55:45 UTC, Stephen Pelc wrote:
> > > > On 7 Feb 2022 at 09:14:02 CET, "Jurgen Pitaske" <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > You have to attend in person otherwise you don't touch Swappie's mind.
> > > >
> > > > The location of Forth Tagung is often such that it is difficult for
> > > > non-Germans
> > > > to get to - they think that is part of the attraction.
> > > >
> > > > If you do not speak German, you are going to miss out on a lot.
> > > >
> > > > However, Forth-Tagung is usually worth attending - I've been to a few.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stephen
> > > > --
> > > > Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
> > > > MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time
> > > > 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
> > > > tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612, +34 649 662 974
> > > > http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
> > > Anybody interested,
> > > can see the picture of the Forth Dragon for the time being here:
> > > https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> > > I convinced Rolf to show it for now.
> > > But I think not on the list to be sold.
> > The link to the sculptor Rolf
> > https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> >
> > But more interesting, the 2019 Dragon video
> > 13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start
> >
> > and the video on Saturday
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis
> >
> > Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
> > And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video
> >
> > And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
> > He/She is sitting on one.in the video
> Well, for now this project has been brought to a successful end.
> Thanks to everybody who helped:
>
> The sculptor has agreed.
>
> The scanned data has been made available,
>
> see part of the email:
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Just saw your email earlier today.
>
> Here is the file release and the data:
>
> https://theworldsend.eu/oc/s/3YzTtYsctbYn9yQ
>
> For the Prusa slicer, the scaling factor is 21560
>
> Before I had passed on the dragon 10 years ago,
> I took 700 photos, in the hope that the dragon could materialize again for me.
> A 3D printer or even having Meshroom available was a long way off for me,
> but 3 years ago the time came.
> Unfortunately, I didn't choose the camera positions then as Meshroom expected.
> Nevertheless, the result is quite good, except for a snout.
> With Blender this could be repaired, so I have included 1 photo.
> (But it could also be that my son will fix this soon.)
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So now I hope that some people here will try it out and give feedback.

Rolf Kretzschmer just sent an email,
that he has put the original on a turntable
for anybody interested to see from all angles
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFYmU_IBdn/

Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> writes:
>Rolf Kretzschmer just sent an email,
>that he has put the original on a turntable
>for anybody interested to see from all angles
>https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFYmU_IBdn/

This is a different one from the award one
<https://wiki.forth-ev.de/lib/exe/fetch.php/infos:swap-bronze.gif>

The award one holds its head differently and has a jagged back-ridge.

- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021

On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 16:44:17 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> >Rolf Kretzschmer just sent an email,
> >that he has put the original on a turntable
> >for anybody interested to see from all angles
> >https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFYmU_IBdn/

> This is a different one from the award one
> <https://wiki.forth-ev.de/lib/exe/fetch.php/infos:swap-bronze.gif>
>
> The award one holds its head differently and has a jagged back-ridge.
> - anton
> --
> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021

This is a Forth-eV price - and a German project.
When I tried to find out if a wider usage can be achieved,
I always kept Forth-eV involved and they could have taken over any time as I had suggested.
So they basically agreed with what I did.

The original will always stay the same original as on Rolf's turn table.
When Rolf agred this was the point to take it further.
And Forth-eV was always in copy.

How this is different to the bronze version that is handed over every year I do not know.

How this is different to the 3D Scan I do not know either yet.

And actually - It does not matter to me.

Rolf as the sculptor of the original has agreed that it can be be distributed which I applaud.

The 3D scan is freely available now to be printed by anybody interested.
Which I say thank you to as well.
Bernd Paysan actually copied the person involved.

Somebody might put in the work to have the bronze version scanned again in better quality
and call it the official version scan.

My goal was that Swappie can be enjoyed by many on this planet.
Not just by the few for just one year - and an empty place afterwards.
This has been achieved.

I had asked in these emails the Forth-eV people
Bernd Paysan
Michael Kalus
Ul;rich Hoffmann
to take over this project and make sure it is according to their rules.
Bernd just copied in the one who scanned it - so this should be as the bronze version.

Bernd supported what happened
Michael supported what happened
Ulrich did not want to comment - so I assume agreed by default.

The target I had has been achieved.
Long live Swappie.

Anton Ertl schrieb am Samstag, 19. Februar 2022 um 17:44:17 UTC+1:
....
> The award one holds its head differently and has a jagged back-ridge.
Der unrsprüngliche "Swap" war aus Plastik und roch nach Erdbeeren.
Ziel war es ja damals, den Swap in Bronze gießen zu lassen.
Rolf Kretzschmar, als Bildhauer, Lehrer und Forth-Fan und Mitglied in der Forth-Gesellschaft und in der Lage Bronze-Skulpturen zu fertigen, bekam den Auftrag. Er machte Studien in Ton für die Skulptur des Swap, denn das ist keine einfache Form für einen Bronzeguss. Eine davon wurde schlließlich von ihm für den Guss ausgewählt, mir als dem Auftraggeber in Aachen vorgestellt, und dann wurde in einer Aachener Gießerei von dieser Skulptur im Verfahren der verlorene Form gegossen. Der Guss gelang! Seither existiert diese Bronce-Skulptur als Unikat.
Natürlich weicht die Bronce-Skulptur ab von den anderen Entwürfen.. Und selbstverständlich ist es dem Bildhauer freigestellt seine anderen Entwürfe zu zeigen.
Gruß, Michael

On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> Anton Ertl schrieb am Samstag, 19. Februar 2022 um 17:44:17 UTC+1:
> ...
> > The award one holds its head differently and has a jagged back-ridge.
> Der unrsprüngliche "Swap" war aus Plastik und roch nach Erdbeeren.
> Ziel war es ja damals, den Swap in Bronze gießen zu lassen.
> Rolf Kretzschmar, als Bildhauer, Lehrer und Forth-Fan und Mitglied in der Forth-Gesellschaft und in der Lage Bronze-Skulpturen zu fertigen, bekam den Auftrag. Er machte Studien in Ton für die Skulptur des Swap, denn das ist keine einfache Form für einen Bronzeguss. Eine davon wurde schlließlich von ihm für den Guss ausgewählt, mir als dem Auftraggeber in Aachen vorgestellt, und dann wurde in einer Aachener Gießerei von dieser Skulptur im Verfahren der verlorene Form gegossen. Der Guss gelang! Seither existiert diese Bronce-Skulptur als Unikat.
> Natürlich weicht die Bronce-Skulptur ab von den anderen Entwürfen. Und selbstverständlich ist es dem Bildhauer freigestellt seine anderen Entwürfe zu zeigen.
> Gruß, Michael

For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
Thank you very much Michael for your comment.

You can see the Swap Dragon Award and context here:
https://alt.forth-ev.de/staticpages/index.php/20090501205052563/print

mike....@gmail.com
19 Feb 2022, 19:01:38 (12 hours ago)
to
Anton Ertl wrote on Saturday February 19, 2022 at 17:44:17 UTC+1:
....
> The award one holds its head differently and has a jagged back-ridge.

Michael answered:
The original "swap" was made of plastic and smelled like strawberries.
The aim at the time then was to have the swap cast in bronze.
Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Forth Society
and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.
He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture, which is not a simple form for a bronze cast.
He finally selected one of them for the cast,
presented it to me as the client in Aachen,
and then this sculpture was cast in a foundry in Aachen using the lost-mold method.
The cast succeeded!
Since then, this bronze sculpture has existed as a one-off.
Of course, the bronze sculpture differs from the other designs.
And of course the sculptor is free to show his other designs.
Regards, Michael

Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> writes:
>On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
>For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
>Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
>rth Society=20
>and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20

The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
for the plastic Swap Dragon.

>He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,

Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?

- anton
--
M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021

On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
> >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> >rth Society=20
> >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
>
> The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> - anton
> --
> M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021

As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis

1986 – A prize is born
On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
he was so impressed that he declared:

When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.

Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
it did last for more than 10 years
and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.

The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:

On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 16:24:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> > [...]
> > >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> > >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> > >rth Society=20
> > >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
> >
> > The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> > Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> > for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> > >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> > Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> > - anton
> > --
> > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> > EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021
> As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
>
> 1986 – A prize is born
> On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
> with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
> in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
> When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
> he was so impressed that he declared:
>
> When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.
>
> Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
> it did last for more than 10 years
> and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.
>
> The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
> It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
> Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
> Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:

I just received a very kind email:

Hi Juergen,
It’s on its way.

So, I should be a proud owner of a DRAGON within a week.
Excellent support from all sides.

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 16:14:43 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 16:24:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> > > >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> > > >rth Society=20
> > > >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
> > >
> > > The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> > > Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> > > for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> > > >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> > > Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> > > - anton
> > > --
> > > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> > > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> > > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> > > EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021
> > As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> >
> > 1986 – A prize is born
> > On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
> > with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
> > in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
> > When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
> > he was so impressed that he declared:
> >
> > When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.
> >
> > Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
> > it did last for more than 10 years
> > and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.
> >
> > The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
> > It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
> > Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
> > Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:

> I just received a very kind email:
>
> Hi Juergen,
> It’s on its way.
>
> So, I should be a proud owner of a DRAGON within a week.
> Excellent support from all sides.

The Dragon Has Landed ...
6.5 cm high
in white.
Love it.
I hope that dog and dragon can live in peace together.
I have posted 2 pictures in the Forth facebook group for people who want to see it.

On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 12:36:55 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 16:14:43 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 16:24:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> > > > >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> > > > >rth Society=20
> > > > >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
> > > >
> > > > The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> > > > Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> > > > for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> > > > >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> > > > Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> > > > - anton
> > > > --
> > > > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> > > > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> > > > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> > > > EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021
> > > As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
> > > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> > >
> > > 1986 – A prize is born
> > > On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
> > > with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
> > > in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
> > > When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
> > > he was so impressed that he declared:
> > >
> > > When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.
> > >
> > > Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
> > > it did last for more than 10 years
> > > and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.
> > >
> > > The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
> > > It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
> > > Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
> > > Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:
>
>
> > I just received a very kind email:
> >
> > Hi Juergen,
> > It’s on its way.
> >
> > So, I should be a proud owner of a DRAGON within a week.
> > Excellent support from all sides.
> The Dragon Has Landed ...
> 6.5 cm high
> in white.
> Love it.
> I hope that dog and dragon can live in peace together.
> I have posted 2 pictures in the Forth facebook group for people who want to see it.

Project finished successfully ...
The Dragon Has Landed at our home.

The 3D printed dragon arrived,
so as final step here the list of links
collected for anybody interested:

The link I fell over and where I saw the Dragon Prize first
https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/swap-dragon-prize.html

this lead to this link Swap Dragon Prize
Reference: https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
You can switch to English there

Link to the Forth-eV magazine
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/vd-archiv

Bernd Paysan did a Dragon in software
https://bernd-paysan.de/dragon/

I contacted the sculptor Rolf Kretzschmar ,
and he put the original back into the set of his work on instagram
And kindly gave permission to reuse for non-commercial
https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
Click on the link and the turn table will show you the 360 degrees

And an interesting link to the 2019 Dragon video showing the real thing
13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start

and the video on Saturday
https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis

Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video

And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
He/She is sitting on in the video on it.

So how did these 3D printed dragans come to life?
The originator of the scan and 3D print was found,
the data kindly released

Here is the file release and the data:
https://theworldsend.eu/oc/s/3YzTtYsctbYn9yQ
For the Prusa slicer, the scaling factor is 21560

I found a friend nearby with a 3D printer
who did me the favour of a small 6.5cm test print
the real thing is double the height as I understand.
And I am now a proud owner since yesterday 25/02/2022.
This was to prove that it all works.

I hope some more Forth Dragons
will populate this world soon.
As for many of us the condition to get a real one will not be possible:
be at a Forth-eV meeting
so the dragon can see you
and you have done the work to deserve this prize …

2 pictures of the one done for me you can find here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH
Just scroll down.

On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 09:10:51 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 12:36:55 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 16:14:43 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 16:24:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > > > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> > > > > >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> > > > > >rth Society=20
> > > > > >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
> > > > >
> > > > > The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> > > > > Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> > > > > for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> > > > > >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> > > > > Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> > > > > - anton
> > > > > --
> > > > > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> > > > > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> > > > > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> > > > > EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021
> > > > As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
> > > > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> > > >
> > > > 1986 – A prize is born
> > > > On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
> > > > with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
> > > > in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
> > > > When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
> > > > he was so impressed that he declared:
> > > >
> > > > When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.
> > > >
> > > > Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
> > > > it did last for more than 10 years
> > > > and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.
> > > >
> > > > The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
> > > > It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
> > > > Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
> > > > Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:
> >
> >
> > > I just received a very kind email:
> > >
> > > Hi Juergen,
> > > It’s on its way.
> > >
> > > So, I should be a proud owner of a DRAGON within a week.
> > > Excellent support from all sides.
> > The Dragon Has Landed ...
> > 6.5 cm high
> > in white.
> > Love it.
> > I hope that dog and dragon can live in peace together.
> > I have posted 2 pictures in the Forth facebook group for people who want to see it.
> Project finished successfully ...
> The Dragon Has Landed at our home.
>
>
> The 3D printed dragon arrived,
> so as final step here the list of links
> collected for anybody interested:
>
>
> The link I fell over and where I saw the Dragon Prize first
> https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/swap-dragon-prize.html
>
> this lead to this link Swap Dragon Prize
> Reference: https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> You can switch to English there
>
> Link to the Forth-eV magazine
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/vd-archiv
>
> Bernd Paysan did a Dragon in software
> https://bernd-paysan.de/dragon/
>
> I contacted the sculptor Rolf Kretzschmar ,
> and he put the original back into the set of his work on instagram
> And kindly gave permission to reuse for non-commercial
> https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> Click on the link and the turn table will show you the 360 degrees
>
> And an interesting link to the 2019 Dragon video showing the real thing
> 13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start
>
> and the video on Saturday
> https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis
>
> Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
> And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video
>
> And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
> He/She is sitting on in the video on it.
>
> So how did these 3D printed dragans come to life?
> The originator of the scan and 3D print was found,
> the data kindly released
> Here is the file release and the data:
> https://theworldsend.eu/oc/s/3YzTtYsctbYn9yQ
> For the Prusa slicer, the scaling factor is 21560
> I found a friend nearby with a 3D printer
> who did me the favour of a small 6.5cm test print
> the real thing is double the height as I understand.
> And I am now a proud owner since yesterday 25/02/2022.
> This was to prove that it all works.
>
> I hope some more Forth Dragons
> will populate this world soon.
> As for many of us the condition to get a real one will not be possible:
> be at a Forth-eV meeting
> so the dragon can see you
> and you have done the work to deserve this prize …
>
> 2 pictures of the one done for me you can find here:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH
> Just scroll down.

And for people who use facebook - there you can see the coloured version now
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470449089921787/search/?q=Dragon

On Tuesday, 15 March 2022 at 09:50:31 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Saturday, 26 February 2022 at 09:10:51 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Friday, 25 February 2022 at 12:36:55 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 16:14:43 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 16:24:49 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 20 February 2022 at 16:34:12 UTC, Anton Ertl wrote:
> > > > > > Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > > > > >On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 19:01:38 UTC, mik....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > >For the benefit of the non-German community a quick translation:
> > > > > > >Rolf Kretzschmar, as a sculptor, teacher and Forth fan and member of the Fo=
> > > > > > >rth Society=20
> > > > > > >and able to create bronze sculptures, got the job.=20
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The story I heard is that Kretschmar himself had said: If
> > > > > > Forth-Gesellschaft holds out a decade, he makes a bronze replacement
> > > > > > for the plastic Swap Dragon.
> > > > > > >He made studies in clay for the Swap sculpture,
> > > > > > Did he not use wax for the model(s), and clay for the mold?
> > > > > > - anton
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
> > > > > > comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
> > > > > > New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
> > > > > > EuroForth 2021: https://euro.theforth.net/2021
> > > > > As stated of Forth-eV, copied from there:
> > > > > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> > > > >
> > > > > 1986 – A prize is born
> > > > > On its second yearly conference the FORTH society initiated the SWAP-Dragon prize,
> > > > > with which Michael Kalus was honoured for his enormous work
> > > > > in the early days of the Vierten Dimension, the member journal of the FORTH society.
> > > > > When he was presented with a little two-headed toy dragon,
> > > > > he was so impressed that he declared:
> > > > >
> > > > > When this all lasts for 10 years, I will donate one made from bronze.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although it is still unclear, what he meant with this all,
> > > > > it did last for more than 10 years
> > > > > and there are still witnesses for this amongst us.
> > > > >
> > > > > The plastic SWAP dragon had a notable property.
> > > > > It smelled surprisingly of strawberries!
> > > > > Unfortunately we cannot show that here. (So much for multimedia :-)
> > > > > Here a photo of the plastic trophy on Forth-eV:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just received a very kind email:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Juergen,
> > > > It’s on its way.
> > > >
> > > > So, I should be a proud owner of a DRAGON within a week.
> > > > Excellent support from all sides.
> > > The Dragon Has Landed ...
> > > 6.5 cm high
> > > in white.
> > > Love it.
> > > I hope that dog and dragon can live in peace together.
> > > I have posted 2 pictures in the Forth facebook group for people who want to see it.
> > Project finished successfully ...
> > The Dragon Has Landed at our home.
> >
> >
> > The 3D printed dragon arrived,
> > so as final step here the list of links
> > collected for anybody interested:
> >
> >
> > The link I fell over and where I saw the Dragon Prize first
> > https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/swap-dragon-prize.html
> >
> > this lead to this link Swap Dragon Prize
> > Reference: https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/en:infos:drachenpreis
> > You can switch to English there
> >
> > Link to the Forth-eV magazine
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/vd-archiv
> >
> > Bernd Paysan did a Dragon in software
> > https://bernd-paysan.de/dragon/
> >
> > I contacted the sculptor Rolf Kretzschmar ,
> > and he put the original back into the set of his work on instagram
> > And kindly gave permission to reuse for non-commercial
> > https://www.instagram.com/rollemoor/?hl=en-gb
> > Click on the link and the turn table will show you the 360 degrees
> >
> > And an interesting link to the 2019 Dragon video showing the real thing
> > 13 / 04 / 2019 at 10.20
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:start
> >
> > and the video on Saturday
> > https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:ft2019:drachenpreis
> >
> > Shown there by Ulrich Hoffmann,
> > And there are 2 3D printed dragons in the video
> >
> > And which treasure is protected by the dragon?
> > He/She is sitting on in the video on it.
> >
> > So how did these 3D printed dragans come to life?
> > The originator of the scan and 3D print was found,
> > the data kindly released
> > Here is the file release and the data:
> > https://theworldsend.eu/oc/s/3YzTtYsctbYn9yQ
> > For the Prusa slicer, the scaling factor is 21560
> > I found a friend nearby with a 3D printer
> > who did me the favour of a small 6.5cm test print
> > the real thing is double the height as I understand.
> > And I am now a proud owner since yesterday 25/02/2022.
> > This was to prove that it all works.
> >
> > I hope some more Forth Dragons
> > will populate this world soon.
> > As for many of us the condition to get a real one will not be possible:
> > be at a Forth-eV meeting
> > so the dragon can see you
> > and you have done the work to deserve this prize …
> >
> > 2 pictures of the one done for me you can find here:
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH
> > Just scroll down.
> And for people who use facebook - there you can see the coloured version now
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470449089921787/search/?q=Dragon

But does not come close to larger original, that Rolf did at the time for Forth-eV
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaFYmU_IBdn/