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* ANN: colorForth cf2022Howerd Oakford
+* Re: ANN: colorForth cf2022Jurgen Pitaske
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+* Re: ANN: colorForth cf2022Brad Eckert
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Re: ANN: colorForth cf2022

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Subject: Re: ANN: colorForth cf2022
From: the.beez...@gmail.com (Hans Bezemer)
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 by: Hans Bezemer - Fri, 6 May 2022 10:00 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC+2, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
You missed one already:

> A lot of intimidating behavior is already punishable by law. Think of threats and stalking.

So, if you threaten me (which you've done already) or actively seek out to obtain information
with the intent to intimidate, cause or cause serious nuisance to or seriously hinder that other
person in the exercise of his office or profession you might already be punishable by law.

I'll give my lawyer a ring this afternoon. See if I can come up with something more substantial.
You have been warned.

Hans Bezemer

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 by: Jurgen Pitaske - Fri, 6 May 2022 10:34 UTC

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 11:00:38 UTC+1, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:16:08 AM UTC+2, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> You missed one already:
> > A lot of intimidating behavior is already punishable by law. Think of threats and stalking.
> So, if you threaten me (which you've done already) or actively seek out to obtain information
> with the intent to intimidate, cause or cause serious nuisance to or seriously hinder that other
> person in the exercise of his office or profession you might already be punishable by law.
>
> I'll give my lawyer a ring this afternoon. See if I can come up with something more substantial.
> You have been warned.
>
> Hans Bezemer

Well, you better ask your lawyer then as well
about your threatening and intimidating behaviour without any reason.

There should be quite a few examples in this thread.

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From: the.beez...@gmail.com (Hans Bezemer)
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 by: Hans Bezemer - Fri, 6 May 2022 10:57 UTC

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 12:34:34 PM UTC+2, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well, you better ask your lawyer then as well
> about your threatening and intimidating behaviour without any reason.
> There should be quite a few examples in this thread.

Oh, I will. A lawyer is like a medical doctor. Full disclosure, lawyer-client
confidentiality, you know. But I think I'm fine.

Hans Bezemer

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On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 9:08:35 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:18:23 AM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > That's "because" you haven't used sound judgement of thought..
> .. and there you are completely wrong. I have some education concerning
> "critical thinking" - which you obviously haven't. If you had, you would have
> recognized it. I bet you don't even know the difference between "induction" or
> "deduction" if it bit you in the @$$.
>
> And that is EXACTLY why I call out all your fallacies. Now, a clever person
> would think - "what is that all about?" - and dive into it. You obviously don't.
> You keep on falling into every fallacy, thinking that at one moment or the
> other you will miraculously get a decent argument across. Or by repeating
> the same flawed premise it will gain in strength over time.
>
> Sad..
>
> Hans Bezemer

Well. It's pretty obvious from my statements, that apart from your consistent side tracks away from what you did wrong, into other areas that do not matter, as to why a person with everything happening and things are too much to research ATM (you can wait) as to why I din't want to get side tracked into devoting time on your pseudo answers to the wrong questions. But go on. It does prove your personality. I am here to show that if you, yourself, keep going on, you will only keep looking wrong. You have fallen. Into the trap of using the knowledge of others as a substitute for genuine skill, in a flawed way, or the knowledge itself is flawed. So, doing so has as little credibility to me as graduating from the arts of a new age University. So flawed argument based on flawed knowledge of the flawed opinion of proposals of others equals flawed. But, you consistently have just dug that delusion deeper, not realising it, continuing arguments that flawed individuals would think is right. So. Lots of flaws as I read most of your replies picking on dieing people, and others. The person who continues to pick on the superficial side arguments to the main argument.. I'm waiting for the penny to drop, and you sound so not English in your tact, are you sure you are not educated in some foreign education system?

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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:29:38 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 5:11:11 AM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:32:05 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:38:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > > > Don't matter how much you mix things, it's not going make you true.
> > > Without any supporting arguments, this is an empty statement.
> > Empty heads think full statements are empty.
> Another empty statement, since it doesn't contain any arguments.
> At least do you have ripped a wisecrack from some celebrity or
> historical figure. I give you that.

Actual factual observation, you project emptiness onto an arguments with substance, a lot, because they are not shaped the way you want. This is typical behaviour of somebody who relied on the knowledge of others, as truth, and can't see variances past it, or flaws in it. Lacking genuine self generated reasoning ability. It has to be framed on the interpretation of others rather than the actual facts, seeing through coal coloured glasses! :) If I use the word "if" am I...

> > Let's see, you wrongly started this, and wrongly kept it going. Misusing rational
> > logic. You are simply wrong because you started wring, and whatever you do
> > doesn't change that. Don't bring a fork to a sword fight and complain that
> > nobody is using a fork.
> Logic is always rational - that's a tautology. And it can be applied ANYWHERE.

That's mentally ill level irrational, if you misuse rational logic, you obviously aren't being rational. You proved my point again.

> My father always said "There are two kind of problems in the world - my problem
> and not my problem".

That is a lowsome statement to make. It is reflects your inability, and bad acton coming along here in the first place with bad attitude trying to avoid that. You were wrong, and as much as you try to side track away from that you remain wrong, as the side tracks remain a continuation of it. All O need to do is bring back the argument to where it is supposed to be as you doin out side tracks to avoid that. The dumb will get distracted by the side tracks, thinking they are right, the intelligent will realise they are something else and the argument was about the judgement of your attitude towards others, which you continue in a side tracked form in front of them. You don't see, we do see. You are only using a subset, so your games we are aware of. Now, why don't you reflect on your self and fill in the blanks, when people make full statements as to your action mechanisms.

> any points for playing the victim.

That is a foolish statement, not realising it was about you being unreasonable for the circumstances. But again, that is unscripted higher level of intelligence. You use all these mechanistic quotes as mere little fece of protections from reality outside. Why fear so much?

> > I'm not interested in jumping to your command.
> Fair enough. But why should that be of interest to me?

My point again, lacking in the broader sense. Had to rewrite that 5 times to get rid of the constant typos. You are just wasting our time.

> > You are a sub set of a sub set,

> > claiming to be a full set, which you are not, nor do you perceive what the full set
> > is. There is a saying for that.
> I can claim to be a full set - and in some way that is probably true. The ultimate full
> set is probably the set of all sets, including those that contain themselves.
...
Again, avoidance by side tracking. But, you regard bringing it back to the real subject of your attitudes here, as side tracks, which is an actual side track.

> > You seem to be unable to reflect straight forwards statements to the past events,
> > and your actions they are about.
...
Your abruptness avoidance and foreshortening, is just an emotional state
> > Your statements about emotion, is just hidden emotional state aberrations.
...
> > You always seem to skirt seeing the things statements refer to.
..
> - Since emotions permeate all human actions, it's impossible to have any action
> without any emotion;

Finally we are getting somewhere. So, don't come along with hidden emotional content refusing to see what is said, out if it, then go on about emotional states.

I out out all the unnecessarily long cloaking description of the simple concept of being human leading to emotion.
...

> > No true intelligence, is the inability to apply context or interpretation of context.
> Define context...
Long bits clipped. It is everything.

Delusional bits about what you accept as being relevant compared to the broader information, as well as your shortcomings here being irrelevant, clipped. You don't don't see deep and broad enough, which is a common problem in rules subset disorders, as seen in bureaucracy.

> > That is how the real world works.
> Prove it. And while you're at it, define "the real world".

> > But, this is likely to produce yet another miniature rant about vague/empty
> > statements when it is you who are vague and empty.

Yes, it did.
...

> > And yes, your semi-intelligent use of knowledge, is disappointing,
...
> > so don't by pass the mirror and pull that one.
...
> I have the right to reject your mirror.

The mirror is you.

> > If your life is about documentation, doing a forth language , good on you, doing
> > this stuff to other people is not significant.
> That's for other people to decide. Unless you're having some good statistics on
> "what other people think about 4tH" - which BTW I would be quite interested in -

Context, again. I just contrasted, one of the higher level skills you would have learnt. Your work on 4th for other people, whatever the statistics, is morally (please not, there is something strange about the auto correct it here, it changed "morally good" to "not good". Fortunately I caught it. But noticed it has been worse since a change last year, but that change example is ridiculous. Please forgive any context changes here. I am largely U able to type the keys correctly, and just one letter out can produce some strange substitutions. I'm sick of writing to Google to get things corrected when most if which they should have tested and caught in the first sce ("place"). I am also not well enough to reread and find everything all the time. I have to rush off shortly). Your treatment here, to me, has not, and is not, good. Filling in the blanks is another by product of intelligence, rather than asking somebody to rehash things talked about recently..
...

> And given the energy death of the universe - what is significant?

This is why I am clipping.

> > Just self denial. When you look at it, I've really been wining constantly.
> .. and dining, believe me! ;-)

Lol, :)

> > There's another example, struggle to think figuratively. Just self denial.
> Where is the fun in thinking figuratively? I mean, literally..

Good to see you have a lighter side.

> > You have not quoted the rules that define the universe, have you?
...

> > You have been quoting subsets to avoid looking at greater rules.
...

Clipping denials as well.

> > Problem is, the common delusional technical type, is not going see that..
...

> > Even if I didn't the 40 hours showing everything you did wrong, you are
> > still Lely just to continue in firm and excuse it away, rather then put in
> > genuine effort to look at yourself, which is what this was all about.
> > The empty thing here, is your denial.
> Repeating the same stuff over and over again does not make it any more
> true. If I'm delusional, what are people that deny elementary logic?

Yourself??

No, it just continues to state it is true. Denying it doesn't make it any less true.

> > That's be side
('because" sorry)
> >you haven't used sound judgement of thought, isn't it?
> That's gibberish...

> > The fact that somebody has got their hand on the pulse of the beast,
> I'm not religious. Which shouldn't be too surprising.

You know that beast is mainly a non religious term, as use here.

> > has just sent you into continual denial. Because that is mostly what
> > you are doing.
...
> > You didn't just say that? Can't you differentiate between subsets
> > and a level of authoritarian usage (another subset)? Your statement
> > illustrates the absolutism of the impoverished subset, I was talking
> > about. You have to start thinking, it's about what something "can" mean
> > not about what you want it to mean, or by some subset of knowledge.
> > But, I don't like having to address this stuff, but you seem to like annoying
> > with it.
> If you don't define the subsets, it's hard to differentiate between them.

Intelligence sees the simple subsets, as they are fairly obvious and dint require hand holding as if a child, but that is exactly what you get with opinionated technical people. They quote better adults then them, without seeing the context and nuance of the broader world. The things they quite are just convenient summaries that may not be right, or may not suite the circumstances. I deal with people always going on how people, courts, public servants, politicians etc, are wring compared to their mighty intellectual reasoning, because they don't see the complexity in order to simplify it to an exact interpretation, and think such an interpretation is too long and complex, and don't realise why they are always loosing (but never wrong, according to them) but instead promote oversimplifications that can result in disasters as all the exceptions leak around them like sewage. It's just the same sort of thing, using somebody else's playbook requiring more knowledge and a little bit of intelligence to read and follow the playbook correctly.


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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:50:51 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> HANS BEZEMER..
>
> F O R T H K I L L E R S A T WO R K
>
> Peter F**** has gone quiet fortunately
> Hugh Aguilar has gone rather quiet fortunately
>
> BUT there are new people who seem to step forward in this function
> and have nothing to say about Forth.
> Just private silly fights.
>
> They seem not to have email addresses that function yet,
> otherwise they could fight as much as they like off-line and not bother us here.
>
> Having their private silly fight here.
> The word Forth is not even in it.
>
> I feel rather sorry about the good work Howerd does for Forth and his post.
>
> It seems I have to do some googling and send emails to NL Banks
> to ask, if such behaviour is part of those Bank's work ethics of their employees or consultants.
> Attaching the PDF of this post and a link for later usage.
>
> Would probably be a good post on LinkedIN and other social platforms as well as discussion point
> about acceptable behaviour of employees and consultants.
> Or is work ethics just for others?
>
> With Hugh and Testra I got a very nice feedback, as posted here as well;
> let's try to repeat this with Dutch Banks.

Dutch. Ok. That fits.

Now, Jpit, knock it off. I can name maybe one person who deserves such treatment here. Hand isn't that bad. He is being genuine about it unlike what somebody else was like. I don't want to hear you doing such things blanketly. It's bad form. I've treated you and the other people you mentioned in the past nicely with compassion, and with the benefit of the doubt. Sure what was said might have been inconsiderate, but it wasn't fishing for trouble deliberately and wrongly, like some do (until a whale gets sick enough of it and falls upon them). Now, we both make contributions, and not insignificant, mine mainly in proposals for beneficial shifts to technical architectural design of forth microprocessors, and for their market appeal. What this discussion is about, is not discouraging genuine efforts unreasonably, and attitude and conduct here. Please, "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" while we are trying to do the washing to clean things up.

There are only a very few people here worthy of that treatment. But I am not saying there isn't a lot more that are not the best. But there are other ways of handling that, rather than playing bonk the troll under the bridge as they stick their heads out, type games.

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 by: dxforth - Thu, 12 May 2022 03:46 UTC

On 12/05/2022 12:31, Wayne morellini wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:29:38 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>> Stop talking gibberish - it's a waste of my time.
>
> Lol, my point was that I wasn't the one using gibberish thinking, and was the one having his time wasted, and by more impoverished thinking and microrants too.

Perhaps you've managed to push his buttons but somehow I doubt it.
Typically Hans has been hard to provoke, required little approval
and hasn't sought to impress the world. IOW "mostly harmless".
The world could do with more harmless people. Or he's just a good
actor playing for a particular audience :)

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 by: Wayne morellini - Thu, 12 May 2022 12:52 UTC

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 1:46:58 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
> On 12/05/2022 12:31, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:29:38 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> >> Stop talking gibberish - it's a waste of my time.
> >
> > Lol, my point was that I wasn't the one using gibberish thinking, and was the one having his time wasted, and by more impoverished thinking and microrants too.
> Perhaps you've managed to push his buttons but somehow I doubt it.
> Typically Hans has been hard to provoke, required little approval
> and hasn't sought to impress the world. IOW "mostly harmless".
> The world could do with more harmless people. Or he's just a good
> actor playing for a particular audience :)

Well, I looked at that link. I thought Jpit, must have been making up that text. It's remarkable how much he looks similar to me though. You don't believe me, ask Chuck. (If he can remember. I doubt Elisabeth does). Anyway, maybe I could make some third person dialogue about myself too. Nah, 'Wayne is good, he likes Karen Carpenter' etc, isn't my thing. Well, at least he can smile. I was probably right that I detected a sense of humour.

Anyway, I can pick his underlying state. That sort of professional personality doesn't express in the conventional way.

Good news, is last night I was trying to design a printable storage device, and I couldn't even remember what I was thinking. Normally I can bust out 6 technical pages. Today just went down hill with the brain inflammation, such as I didn't know what was causing it. But, I resolved it and back. But, these sorts of things are incredible wastes of limited resources of my life. Still no planet to move all the good people too, but have a space station technologies proposal. Just have to cancel the internet and swap over to the internal network. Then, we can be 99.99% more free of these types of discussions. But, that's probably not going happen. Sigh! :)

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DXForth. I read a bit of that law proposal text. It obviously can.be something misused, in order to protect bad state actors, not just what the cover study says. It would not surprise me that it is deliberately to protect corrupt people in authority, with other workers being an after thought or just an excuse. We see these sorts of, too wide catch what the state really wants, laws here. If the law was written in a way that passes human rights concerns, it should address innocent and need tests. If rat bags want to stalk and passive aggressive harass unfairly, and won't stop hiding behind a cloak of anonymity or dubious knowledge of locality (actually which person of that name they are), then people should be allowed to publish who they are performing these immoral and illegal acts. It's a fine balance with legitimate use, not blanket use that includes illegitimate use which violates violates human rights of the people harrassed, and gives extra inhuman rights 9f protection to harrassers. It's a treasonous law, allowing subversion of the nation without recourse to expose the subversive. It is the same as a rat bag going into a meeting spraying trouble, and people say whoes that ...and somebody say that's XYZ, which stops a lot of them trying it fir no reason. He works at such and such, comes from such and such. Wire gets around, and people say stuff and avoid to them. It's not like, "Oh, we can't say anything. He's peeing on the audience from the stage now (which is similar to forums sometimes). Oh. We can't say anything about the mystery person, and the police aren't allowed to fund out where he 8s from to arrest him. It is basically the same sort of thing. A nuts world where subversives can do what they want. It is only that, on the internet we allow more anonymity, but anonymity should not be blanketly all automatic and covering. Where ever they have this intent or not, it's obvious and now pointed out the law is open to abuse, and therefore it must be redesigned to appropriately accommodate it, in regard of law and human rights to not hear and be subject to actual evil.

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 by: Hans Bezemer - Fri, 13 May 2022 11:59 UTC

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:31:23 AM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > Stop talking gibberish - it's a waste of my time.
> Lol, my point was that I wasn't the one using gibberish thinking, and was the one having his time wasted, and by more impoverished thinking and microrants too.

Ok, let's break this down:
> Can't you differentiate between subsets
> and a level of authoritarian usage (another subset)? Your statement
> illustrates the absolutism of the impoverished subset, I was talking
> about. You have to start thinking, it's about what something "can" mean
> not about what you want it to mean, or by some subset of knowledge.

Required concepts:
Subset - that's a concept of set theory. It means that there is a larger set, of
which this particular set is part of:

Absolutism - I don't think we're talking politics here, so let's assume it's this
one In philosophy, universality or absolutism is the idea that universal facts
exist and can be progressively discovered, as opposed to relativism, which
asserts that all facts are merely relative to one's perspective. Absolutism
and relativism have been explored at length in contemporary analytic philosophy.

I can already state here, that - although that I see there is some merit to
epistemic relativism - I don't subscribe to relativism. If so, you end up in
postmodernism where anything is true. And that's a bridge too far as I'm
concerned. I do subscribe to relativism however, to anything that is either
ethical or aesthetic.

Authoritarian:
Authoritarianism, principle of blind submission to authority, as opposed to
individual freedom of thought and action. In government, authoritarianism
denotes any political system that concentrates power in the hands of a
leader or a small elite that is not constitutionally responsible to the body
of the people.

Well, in whatever sense this is meant - I'm not. I subscribe to ideas - not the
people who create them.

Now let's clarify what is stated:

"A level of authoritarian usage" - First of all, you need a measuring system to
distinguish levels. And for that you need criteria. None given. I can only assume
that it concerns something I said - and pointed out its wide usage of either
a standard or a concept. Of course, you're free to reject that in as much as I
can reject your (probably) as authoritarian concept. That's stale mate. If there
isn't some common standards both party agree to, we're end up discussing
standards instead of the issue at hand - which is futile.

Then all those levels are put into subsets - or are all all authoritarian usages
put into a subset - and one is asked to compare them with other subsets with
completely undefined elements. Finally, the question is posed if I'm capable
of doing that?

Then, one of my statements is obviously forms an ostensive definition of the
idea that universal facts exist and can be progressively discovered. Which makes
it kind of hard to react to, since that statement is not given. It's quite possible I
did (since I've stated my stance upon relativism earlier), but in this form I can't
confirm or deny it. It also seems to be part of another undefined subset, which
seems to be characterized by devaluation in some shape or form.

And finally, since almost any concept can be interpreted in numerous ways, it
is practically impossible to imagine any possible outcome of that process. It
reminds me of Wittgenstein who - when teaching - seem to start a sentence,
then stop, wandered about, did another futile attempt, only to resume wandering
again. To which one of MY students answered "When he went at the pub after
hours, did he ever get to order a beer?"

It's something like that when you ask me to iterate every possible single
interpretation of a concept. Yell "museum" and ask people where they thought of
first - you'd be surprised how many different images pop up in peoples heads.

So, I rarely use concepts that do not confirm to some kind of generally accepted
definition. For that reason. So, be assured that when I use a specific word, I've either
consulted some kind of textbook or know its meaning by heart.

Finally, I can only assume that you use the word "knowledge" in an epistemological
sense - and yes, of course there is always the issue of justified belief. But that's
it, justified. Again, you're free to challenge that, but again: we'd be talking standards -
not issues. And that's stale mate. And yes, assuming that all that is known (with
a higher or lesser degree of certainty) can never be known by a single
person in the 21st century, it's a subset - it can''t be otherwise.

A statement whose negation is unsatisfiable, is by very definition a tautology.

So, when I add all these things up I think that my TL;DR "you talk gibberish"
is in essence a nice summary of the facts stated.

Hans Bezemer

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Howard, just to let people know about this thread:

A Colorforth Standard? What processors is it available on?
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/iANT-zwzNCY/m/fVGDiNzOBwAJ

Thank you.

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Subject: Re: ANN: colorForth cf2022
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 by: Zbig - Wed, 7 Sep 2022 22:07 UTC

> A Colorforth Standard? What processors is it available on?
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/iANT-zwzNCY/m/fVGDiNzOBwAJ

Pentium and higher.

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On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 6:49:19 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
> Howard, just to let people know about this thread:
>
> A Colorforth Standard? What processors is it available on?
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/iANT-zwzNCY/m/fVGDiNzOBwAJ
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> Thank you.

Apart from x86 compatable? Answers in the thread please?

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