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* Laws of Theories of AISuresh Devanathan
+- Re: Laws of Theories of AIBranimir Maksimovic
`* OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIVir Campestris
 `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIBranimir Maksimovic
  `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIVir Campestris
   `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIBranimir Maksimovic
    `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIKeith Thompson
     `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIBranimir Maksimovic
      +- Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIKeith Thompson
      `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIDavid Brown
       +- Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIBranimir Maksimovic
       `* Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIJoe Pfeiffer
        `- Re: OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AIDavid Brown

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 by: Suresh Devanathan - Sun, 3 Oct 2021 01:53 UTC

AI or i i or no i , or we all i, or we fall now or we he he.

Solution[problem]= true or false

Solution[problem] \approx true or false + f(x)

f(x) = x = lim episoln->0 K->infinity episoln*K

x is just a variable

<f(x)> = 0

in the day of ramsey, 80/20 rule

There are 3 laws of physics[ subject to Ramsey/Michael, from the bible]

1. 1+1=2 is an axiom
2. You need to have sex to make a baby. [There is also bible's Michael]
3. You have the right to remain silent. anything you say will be used against you.

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From: branimir...@icloud.com (Branimir Maksimovic)
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 by: Branimir Maksimovic - Sun, 3 Oct 2021 02:04 UTC

On 2021-10-03, Suresh Devanathan <idatarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> AI or i i or no i , or we all i, or we fall now or we he he.
>
> Solution[problem]= true or false
>
> Solution[problem] \approx true or false + f(x)
>
> f(x) = x = lim episoln->0 K->infinity episoln*K
>

it can only return 1 or 0, no matter what...

> x is just a variable
>
><f(x)> = 0
>
and <= 1
> in the day of ramsey, 80/20 rule
>
> There are 3 laws of physics[ subject to Ramsey/Michael, from the bible]
>
> 1. 1+1=2 is an axiom 2. You need to have sex to make a baby. [There is also
> bible's Michael] 3. You have the right to remain silent. anything you say
> will be used against you.
/off Course, with great intelligence, comes *great responsibility*.

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OT: Re: Laws of Theories of AI

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 by: Vir Campestris - Mon, 4 Oct 2021 20:47 UTC

On 03/10/2021 02:53, Suresh Devanathan wrote:
> 2. You need to have sex to make a baby.

I was just reading the other day about a break through in horse breeding.

Every so often a gelding turns out to be a really good race horse, but
obviously you can't use them for breeding.

What they've managed to do is to clone horses. No sex involved...

Andy

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 by: Branimir Maksimovic - Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:02 UTC

On 2021-10-04, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 03/10/2021 02:53, Suresh Devanathan wrote:
>> 2. You need to have sex to make a baby.
>
> I was just reading the other day about a break through in horse breeding.
>
> Every so often a gelding turns out to be a really good race horse, but
> obviously you can't use them for breeding.
>
> What they've managed to do is to clone horses. No sex involved...
>
> Andy
well it's just Artificial Insemination...

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 by: Vir Campestris - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 20:47 UTC

On 04/10/2021 22:02, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-10-04, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 03/10/2021 02:53, Suresh Devanathan wrote:
>>> 2. You need to have sex to make a baby.
>>
>> I was just reading the other day about a break through in horse breeding.
>>
>> Every so often a gelding turns out to be a really good race horse, but
>> obviously you can't use them for breeding.
>>
>> What they've managed to do is to clone horses. No sex involved...
>>
>> Andy
> well it's just Artificial Insemination...
>
Nope. By definition a gelding has no semen.

Andy

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 by: Branimir Maksimovic - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:24 UTC

On 2021-10-05, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/10/2021 22:02, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
>> On 2021-10-04, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 03/10/2021 02:53, Suresh Devanathan wrote:
>>>> 2. You need to have sex to make a baby.
>>>
>>> I was just reading the other day about a break through in horse breeding.
>>>
>>> Every so often a gelding turns out to be a really good race horse, but
>>> obviously you can't use them for breeding.
>>>
>>> What they've managed to do is to clone horses. No sex involved...
>>>
>>> Andy
>> well it's just Artificial Insemination...
>>
> Nope. By definition a gelding has no semen.
>
> Andy
Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
on body like grafting?

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 by: Keith Thompson - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:42 UTC

Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
[...]
> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
> on body like grafting?

Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.

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 by: Branimir Maksimovic - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:58 UTC

On 2021-10-05, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
> [...]
>> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
>> on body like grafting?
>
> Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.
>
What is appropriate group to set followupi to?

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 by: Keith Thompson - Tue, 5 Oct 2021 23:04 UTC

Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
> On 2021-10-05, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
>>> on body like grafting?
>>
>> Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.
>>
> What is appropriate group to set followupi to?

I don't know.

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 by: David Brown - Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:46 UTC

On 05/10/2021 23:58, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-10-05, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
>>> on body like grafting?
>>
>> Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.
>>
> What is appropriate group to set followupi to?
>

Setting a followup group here is not a good solution for such wildly
off-topic threads - we have seen in the past that sometimes people in
other groups (or this group) put c.l.c. back on the followup list, and
we end up with a fragmented conversation that is partly in c.l.c.,
partly in rec.horses.cloning (or whatever), and partly in both. No one
wins. So if you find an appropriate group for this - perhaps in the
biology groups (if they are active - much of Usenet is dormant or dead)
- then I recommend starting a /new/ thread there. Make a single
end-of-thread post here in this thread to let people know, so that
anyone here can follow you across to the other group.

I suspect, however, that you'll probably get the best answers by
starting with Wikipedia. The discussion will be less fun, but there
will be more detail and probably greater accuracy.

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 by: Branimir Maksimovic - Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:24 UTC

On 2021-10-06, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> wins. So if you find an appropriate group for this - perhaps in the
> biology groups (if they are active - much of Usenet is dormant or dead)
> - then I recommend starting a /new/ thread there. Make a single
> end-of-thread post here in this thread to let people know, so that
> anyone here can follow you across to the other group.
>
> I suspect, however, that you'll probably get the best answers by
> starting with Wikipedia. The discussion will be less fun, but there
> will be more detail and probably greater accuracy.
>

I have found but it is moderated and dead :P
comp.ai.vision :P
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 by: Joe Pfeiffer - Wed, 6 Oct 2021 17:39 UTC

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:

> On 05/10/2021 23:58, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
>> On 2021-10-05, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
>>>> on body like grafting?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.
>>>
>> What is appropriate group to set followupi to?
>>
>
> Setting a followup group here is not a good solution for such wildly
> off-topic threads - we have seen in the past that sometimes people in
> other groups (or this group) put c.l.c. back on the followup list, and
> we end up with a fragmented conversation that is partly in c.l.c.,
> partly in rec.horses.cloning (or whatever), and partly in both. No one
> wins. So if you find an appropriate group for this - perhaps in the
> biology groups (if they are active - much of Usenet is dormant or dead)
> - then I recommend starting a /new/ thread there. Make a single
> end-of-thread post here in this thread to let people know, so that
> anyone here can follow you across to the other group.
>
> I suspect, however, that you'll probably get the best answers by
> starting with Wikipedia. The discussion will be less fun, but there
> will be more detail and probably greater accuracy.

Unfortunately, the people who start these off-topic conversations also
tend to regard themselves as sufficiently important that they refuse to
honor such end-of-topic posts. All that can really be done is to
killfile the worst of them, and/or not respond to those topics.

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 by: David Brown - Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:12 UTC

On 06/10/2021 19:39, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>
>> On 05/10/2021 23:58, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
>>> On 2021-10-05, Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> writes:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Explain to me how cloning works? They grow
>>>>> on body like grafting?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you could take this somewhere else.
>>>>
>>> What is appropriate group to set followupi to?
>>>
>>
>> Setting a followup group here is not a good solution for such wildly
>> off-topic threads - we have seen in the past that sometimes people in
>> other groups (or this group) put c.l.c. back on the followup list, and
>> we end up with a fragmented conversation that is partly in c.l.c.,
>> partly in rec.horses.cloning (or whatever), and partly in both. No one
>> wins. So if you find an appropriate group for this - perhaps in the
>> biology groups (if they are active - much of Usenet is dormant or dead)
>> - then I recommend starting a /new/ thread there. Make a single
>> end-of-thread post here in this thread to let people know, so that
>> anyone here can follow you across to the other group.
>>
>> I suspect, however, that you'll probably get the best answers by
>> starting with Wikipedia. The discussion will be less fun, but there
>> will be more detail and probably greater accuracy.
>
> Unfortunately, the people who start these off-topic conversations also
> tend to regard themselves as sufficiently important that they refuse to
> honor such end-of-topic posts. All that can really be done is to
> killfile the worst of them, and/or not respond to those topics.
>

I think it is always worth an attempt to educate people, and suggest
more appropriate posting habits. It might only be a small proportion
who change their ways, but that's better than nothing. (For some, such
as the OP of this thread, there is probably no hope.)

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