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* Re: Is npyscreen still alive?Grant Edwards
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 by: Grant Edwards - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:04 UTC

On 2023-04-24, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/21/23 15:57, Barry wrote:
>
>> Maybe this, recently lwn.net article,
>> https://textual.textualize.io/ I was planning to check it out.
>
> Textual definitely looks slick and modern. And with a modern
> terminal emulator it works quite well and is responsive. I'd
> definitely consider it for a TUI.
>
> But on the Linux console, or on an older terminal, not so much.
> Textual's really designed for smallish unicode fonts in a windowed
> environment, not any kind of real, old-school text mode. Just
> something to keep in mind. 99% of terminal users are using a modern
> terminal emulator these days, with full color and unicode, which is
> the target of textual.

Is putty running on Windows a "modern terminal emulator" in this
context? After observing some of the local IT types work, I suspect
that will be a common use-case for the app I'm working on.

> Curses-based programs don't look great on anything, but they do look
> consistent on more primitive terminals.

The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute.
Right now, the application is a single .py file you just copy to the
destination machine and run. It supports command-line use and a Tk
GUI. I can add an ncurses "CUI" without having to either adopt a more
complex bundling mechanism that requires it to be "installed" or
require that users install dependencies via pip/apt/yum/whatever.

--
Grant

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 by: Stefan Ram - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:14 UTC

Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> writes:
>The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
>support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute.

IIRC curses is not in the standard library /on Windows/. I miss
a platform independent (well, at least for Linux, Mac, and
Windows) package with curses features in the standard library.

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 by: Tim Daneliuk - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 23:10 UTC

On 4/24/23 09:14, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> writes:
>> The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses
>> support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute.
>
> IIRC curses is not in the standard library /on Windows/. I miss
> a platform independent (well, at least for Linux, Mac, and
> Windows) package with curses features in the standard library.
>
>

That's correct (or was, last time I looked). For this reason, I
resorted to using tkinter for the twander file browser. While
it works, the code needs a complete rethink and to be written
to be Python3 compatible. Perhaps when/if that happens, something
like Textual need serious consideration.

tkinter works, but is showing its age. So a fresher look without
all the burden of X and or requiring a browser, while also giving
you that option is appealing.

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