I noticed that my post got deleted.
Who has the authority to attack me by deleting my posts?

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 1:54:49 AM UTC-7, none albert wrote:
> >Tom Hart was always spouting pseudo-intellectual quasi-religious drivel in his
> >thirty-two ounce discourses. This is typical:
> >
> >> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God
> >for a purpose.

This was a typo --- I meant that it was John Hart with the thirty-two ounce discourses.
Tom Hart only showed up for work once every two or three weeks and he would
stay for only one or two hours. He didn't discourse on God --- he just walked around
acting like a big boss, reminding us that he was the president of Testra.
I say "walked around" because he didn't have an office so there was nowhere for him
to sit other than the receptionist's desk in front (there was no receptionist).
The only work that I ever saw him do was soldering boards together. This was after
the MiniForth project was completed and Testra needed to begin shipping
motion-control boards with the new MiniForth processor. John Hart told me that I
would be a lot more useful if I knew how to solder together boards and test them,
and that my time at Testra was coming to a conclusion soon because of this.

> >Albert van der Horst is the same idiot who posted nonsense code and claimed
> >that it did a continued fraction calculation. He should work for Testra! LOL
> >
> >On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 2:14:22 AM UTC-7, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> >> In article <0ff9666d-e22e-4370...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> <hughag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 3:54:28 AM UTC-7, Albert van der Horst wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> \ You only need D- and D<=
> >> >> : .cf2 BEGIN 100000 0 DO 2OVER D- 2DUP 0. D<= IF I . LEAVE THEN
> >> >> LOOP 2DUP OR WHILE 2OVER D+
> >> >> .S KEY DROP \ Can leave this out
> >> >> 2SWAP REPEAT ;
> >>
> >> Make that correct by
> >> 2SWAP REPEAT 1 . ;
> >>
> >> >> "
> >> >>
> >> >> 3.141592653589793238
> >> >> 1.000000000000000000
> >> >> 2DUP D. 2OVER D. KEY DROP .cf2
> >> >
> >> >You don't know what continued fractions are
> >>
> >> Said the cab-driver to the mathematician
> >>
> >> > --- your code is nonsense ---
> <SNIP>
>
> I leaves this in because it is interesting code.
> It works and after all those years Aguilar has never tried
> it to see that it works.

To determine if code works or not, it is necessary to know what the code
is supposed to do. Albert van der Horst doesn't know this.
This is why he posts nonsense code and then claims that it "works."

Nathanial Grossman's continued-fraction software works. This is why I put it
in the novice-package (I upgraded it to work under ANS-Forth).
It works in the sense that the user enters a ratio using double-precision numbers
and it provides a reasonably precise ratio in single-precision numbers that would
be usable by */
(actually by UM* and UM/MOD because these are almost always unsigned).
So, at run-time you get to used mixed-precision arithmetic that is fast.
At compile time, when CF is used to find the rational approximation, you have to
use double-precision arithmetic that is ponderously slow (it is slow because
ANS-Forth doesn't provide a double-precision division).

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 11:42:55 PM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> For converting a real number into a ratio, you need to use continued fractions.
> I have this in the novice-package, but I didn't write it --- it was written by
> Nathaniel Grossman and published in "Forth Dimensions" (Sep/Oct 1984) ---
> all I did was upgrade his program to work under 32-bit ANS-Forth rather than
> 16-bit Forth-83.
>
> CF is very slow because ANS-Forth lacks a double-precision division ---
> this had to be written in high-level Forth ---
> this is UD/MOD which is in the support code.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> 3141592653589793238. ok-2
> 1000000000000000000. ok-4
> cf
> partial-quot numerator denominator
> 3 3 1
> 7 22 7
> 15 333 106
> 1 355 113
> 292 103993 33102
> 1 104348 33215
> 1 208341 66317
> 1 312689 99532
> 2 833719 265381
> 1 1146408 364913
> 3 4272943 1360120
> 1 5419351 1725033
> 14 80143857 25510582
> 2 165707065 52746197
> 1 245850922 78256779
> 1 411557987 131002976
> 2 1068966896 340262731
> 2 2549491779 811528438
> 1 3618458675 1151791169
> 12 45970995879 14633022466
> 1 49589454554 15784813635
> 3 194739359541 61987463371
> 1 244328814095 77772277006
> 6 1660712244111 528621125407
> 1 1905041058206 606393402413
> 4 9280876476935 2954194735059
> 1 11185917535141 3560588137472
> 18 210627392109473 67044781209555
> 1 221813309644614 70605369347027
> 3 876067321043315 278860889250636
> 5 4602149914861189 1464909815600207
> 2 10080367150765693 3208680520451050
> 2 24762884216392575 7882270856502307
> 1 34843251367158268 11090951376953357
> 1 59606135583550843 18973222233455664
> 1 94449386950709111 30064173610409021
> 16 1570796326794896619 500000000000000000 ok

AFAIK, the only person on comp.lang.forth who understood
the purpose of the continued fraction CF.4TH was Krishna Myneni.

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 11:32:05 AM UTC-7, hughag...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 4:53:13 AM UTC-7, krishna...@ccreweb.org wrote:
> > Very good. The continued fraction should truncate when we have achieve
> > the same number of significant digits specified for r, in this case, 15..
> You are right. I should make it stop after it has achieved maximum precision.

Actually, the maximum precision is 32, not 15.
I was running this program on a 32-bit ANS-Forth system.
In the novice-package I have this:

\ The following are some ways of approximating pi, all of which were derived from the CF.4th program:

: pi* ( s -- s-result ) \ signed single-precision
1068966896 340262731 */ ;

: upi* ( u -- u-result ) \ unsigned single-precision
3618458675 1151791169 u*/ ;

: dpi* ( d -- d-result ) \ signed double-precision
1068966896 340262731 m*/ ;

: udpi* ( ud -- ud-result ) \ unsigned double-precision
3083975227 1963319607 ut*/ d2* ;

\ Note that UDPI* multiplies by pi/2 and then multiplies the result by 2.
\ This trick provides better precision sometimes.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> <clip all not having to do with the question:>
> ...
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> ALL SHALL BE WELL
> And from the time the vision was shown, I desired often to know
> what our Lord’s meaning was. Fifteen years and more afterward I
> was answered in my spiritual understanding, thus:
> Would you know your Lord’s meaning in this vision?
> Know it well, love is his meaning.
> Who showed it to you? Love.
> What did he show you? Love.
> Why did he show it? For love.
> Keep yourself therein, and you shall know and understand more
> in the same but you shall never know nor understand any other
> thing, forever.
> Thus I was taught that love was our Lord’s meaning. And I saw
> quite clearly in this and in all, that before God made us, he
> loved us, which love was never slaked, nor ever shall be. And
> in this love he has done all his work and in this love he has
> made all things profitable to us. And in his love our life is
> everlasting. In our creation, we have beginning, but the love
> wherein he made us was in him with no beginning. And all this
> shall be seen in God without end.
>
> Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)

Christianity is blatant idolatry.
The definition of idolatry is pretty much the worship of a person
as a god. The Christians worship Jesus Christ as their god.
Jesus Christ was a person --- he is always depicted as being a
skinny white guy who was incongruously living in Palestine,
a land normally populated by swarthy Middle Eastern people.
According to the Catholics, Jesus Christ bled profusely when
he was crucified. Bleeding is obviously an attribute of a person.
Mel Gibson is a Catholic, as is John Hart. Mel Gibson produced
the movie "The Passion of the Christ." This was a snuff film.
Jesus Christ was played by Jim Caviezel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caviezel
Jesus Christ was portrayed as being an ordinary average guy.
To say that Jesus Christ is "God" (capital 'G') is blatant idolatry.
The Christian idol is a corpse on a stick --- that is gross!

Also, all of this Christian self-congratulation about "love" is
annoying. Historically, Christians have been a purely destructive
force. Christianity is not about love. Christianity is about genocide.

On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 18:33:09 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > <clip all not having to do with the question:>
> > ...
> > Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> > ALL SHALL BE WELL
> > And from the time the vision was shown, I desired often to know
> > what our Lord’s meaning was. Fifteen years and more afterward I
> > was answered in my spiritual understanding, thus:
> > Would you know your Lord’s meaning in this vision?
> > Know it well, love is his meaning.
> > Who showed it to you? Love.
> > What did he show you? Love.
> > Why did he show it? For love.
> > Keep yourself therein, and you shall know and understand more
> > in the same but you shall never know nor understand any other
> > thing, forever.
> > Thus I was taught that love was our Lord’s meaning. And I saw
> > quite clearly in this and in all, that before God made us, he
> > loved us, which love was never slaked, nor ever shall be. And
> > in this love he has done all his work and in this love he has
> > made all things profitable to us. And in his love our life is
> > everlasting. In our creation, we have beginning, but the love
> > wherein he made us was in him with no beginning. And all this
> > shall be seen in God without end.
> >
> > Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)
> Christianity is blatant idolatry.
> The definition of idolatry is pretty much the worship of a person
> as a god. The Christians worship Jesus Christ as their god.
> Jesus Christ was a person --- he is always depicted as being a
> skinny white guy who was incongruously living in Palestine,
> a land normally populated by swarthy Middle Eastern people.
> According to the Catholics, Jesus Christ bled profusely when
> he was crucified. Bleeding is obviously an attribute of a person.
> Mel Gibson is a Catholic, as is John Hart. Mel Gibson produced
> the movie "The Passion of the Christ." This was a snuff film.
> Jesus Christ was played by Jim Caviezel
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caviezel
> Jesus Christ was portrayed as being an ordinary average guy.
> To say that Jesus Christ is "God" (capital 'G') is blatant idolatry.
> The Christian idol is a corpse on a stick --- that is gross!
>
> Also, all of this Christian self-congratulation about "love" is
> annoying. Historically, Christians have been a purely destructive
> force. Christianity is not about love. Christianity is about genocide.

Thank you very much for showing how you fit in.

When you die,
and this will hopefully happen soon so you stop sending your bullshit,
sombody can just throw you in a rubbish bin -
or you might be used for dog food?

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:25:11 AM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 18:33:09 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > <clip all not having to do with the question:>

The very simple question, is { 2var - - } a good/standard notation for a double variable?
generated a thousand lines of off topic flame war posts and NOT one response to the question.
Considering everything I posted was simple compared to what I was trying to explain,
It appears I won't be able to use Google for group access, it won't let me block off topic posters,
and the idea of persuing some type of group action, could be a complete waste of time..

<clip garbage>

> Thank you very much for showing how you fit in.

Forth is the ideal language for re-configurable computers but it appears I wrongly assumed
there would be more interest in Forth FPGA tools to bridge the gap between firmware and
software, and less interest in acting like spoiled children.

One would think the skill needed for good programing would also apply
to programmers personal life. So far, my experience at comp.lang.forth hasn't
confirmed that conjecture.

jrh

More than a hundred years ago, the science of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, confirmed:
Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God, and its purpose is made
clear by scripture.

The firestorm set off by the signature phrase, is strong evidence a Deceiver is lurking
and mental viruses are flourishing in the minds of those it deceived.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:25:11 PM UTC-4, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 18:33:09 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > <clip all not having to do with the question:>
> > > ...
> > > Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> > > ALL SHALL BE WELL
> > > And from the time the vision was shown, I desired often to know
> > > what our Lord’s meaning was. Fifteen years and more afterward I
> > > was answered in my spiritual understanding, thus:
> > > Would you know your Lord’s meaning in this vision?
> > > Know it well, love is his meaning.
> > > Who showed it to you? Love.
> > > What did he show you? Love.
> > > Why did he show it? For love.
> > > Keep yourself therein, and you shall know and understand more
> > > in the same but you shall never know nor understand any other
> > > thing, forever.
> > > Thus I was taught that love was our Lord’s meaning. And I saw
> > > quite clearly in this and in all, that before God made us, he
> > > loved us, which love was never slaked, nor ever shall be. And
> > > in this love he has done all his work and in this love he has
> > > made all things profitable to us. And in his love our life is
> > > everlasting. In our creation, we have beginning, but the love
> > > wherein he made us was in him with no beginning. And all this
> > > shall be seen in God without end.
> > >
> > > Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)
> > Christianity is blatant idolatry.
> > The definition of idolatry is pretty much the worship of a person
> > as a god. The Christians worship Jesus Christ as their god.
> > Jesus Christ was a person --- he is always depicted as being a
> > skinny white guy who was incongruously living in Palestine,
> > a land normally populated by swarthy Middle Eastern people.
> > According to the Catholics, Jesus Christ bled profusely when
> > he was crucified. Bleeding is obviously an attribute of a person.
> > Mel Gibson is a Catholic, as is John Hart. Mel Gibson produced
> > the movie "The Passion of the Christ." This was a snuff film.
> > Jesus Christ was played by Jim Caviezel
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caviezel
> > Jesus Christ was portrayed as being an ordinary average guy.
> > To say that Jesus Christ is "God" (capital 'G') is blatant idolatry.
> > The Christian idol is a corpse on a stick --- that is gross!
> >
> > Also, all of this Christian self-congratulation about "love" is
> > annoying. Historically, Christians have been a purely destructive
> > force. Christianity is not about love. Christianity is about genocide.
> Thank you very much for showing how you fit in.
>
> When you die,
> and this will hopefully happen soon so you stop sending your bullshit,
> sombody can just throw you in a rubbish bin -
> or you might be used for dog food?

When the pig wallows in the mud, most people step away to avoid getting muddy. Others, to show the pig how silly he looks, jump in with the pig. Then we have two pigs wallowing in the mud.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

On 25/05/2023 3:33 am, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
>
> The definition of idolatry is pretty much the worship of a person
> as a god.

Why then have you made others the centre point of your life and given
them enormous importance? Hate and worship have everything in common.

On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 22:21:37 UTC+1, John Hart wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:25:11 AM UTC-7, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 24 May 2023 at 18:33:09 UTC+1, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:34:05 AM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > > > <clip all not having to do with the question:>
> The very simple question, is { 2var - - } a good/standard notation for a double variable?
> generated a thousand lines of off topic flame war posts and NOT one response to the question.
> Considering everything I posted was simple compared to what I was trying to explain,
> It appears I won't be able to use Google for group access, it won't let me block off topic posters,
> and the idea of persuing some type of group action, could be a complete waste of time..
>
> <clip garbage>
> > Thank you very much for showing how you fit in.
> Forth is the ideal language for re-configurable computers but it appears I wrongly assumed
> there would be more interest in Forth FPGA tools to bridge the gap between firmware and
> software, and less interest in acting like spoiled children.
>
> One would think the skill needed for good programing would also apply
> to programmers personal life. So far, my experience at comp.lang.forth hasn't
> confirmed that conjecture.
>
> jrh
>
> More than a hundred years ago, the science of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, confirmed:
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God, and its purpose is made
> clear by scripture.
>
> The firestorm set off by the signature phrase, is strong evidence a Deceiver is lurking
> and mental viruses are flourishing in the minds of those it deceived.

I am very sorry about what your thread turned into.
Just disregard his shit.

The Forth Killer Huck Aquilux
is now not just throwing mud at Forth Programmers and people interested in Forth;
and makes them go elsewhere,
but as he has nothing useful to post,
he now attacks the whole world - anybody with a belief, which is probably most of us;
which just shows he does not have any.

John, please post more
or do it in a different place like the Forth facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PROGRAMMINGFORTH

In article <3663e030-61a0-4f61-9d8a-fc4e4d177303n@googlegroups.com>,
John Hart <johnrogerhart@gmail.com> wrote:
><clip all not having to do with the question:>
>
>Is a leading number (2) a good way to signify the local is a double?

I think it is not a good idea to start any word that it is not
a denotation of some number with a digit.
Pair then are designated with a P.
So in designing an new language I would
2SWAP --> PSWAP
2NIP --> PNIP
2DROP --> PDROP
..
2R@ --> PR@
..
ROT --> SPSWAP ( swap a single with a pair)

<SNIP>

>jrh
>
>Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God
>for a purpose.
>
<SNIP>
>
>Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)

Are you aware that it is a violation of netiquette to have a signature of
more than 4 lines?

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -

On 25/05/2023 7:29 pm, albert wrote:
> In article <3663e030-61a0-4f61-9d8a-fc4e4d177303n@googlegroups.com>,
> John Hart <johnrogerhart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)
>
> Are you aware that it is a violation of netiquette to have a signature of
> more than 4 lines?

RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines October 1995

- If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb
is no longer than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for
connectivity by the minute, and the longer your message is,
the more they pay.

Not even a slap on the wrist. Where there ought to be a rule is excessive
and/or pointless quoting. Back in the day news servers refused to post if
there were too many quoted lines...

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:29:33 AM UTC-7, none albert wrote:
> In article <3663e030-61a0-4f61...@googlegroups.com>,
> John Hart <johnro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ><clip all not having to do with the question:>
> >
> >Is a leading number (2) a good way to signify the local is a double?
> I think it is not a good idea to start any word that it is not
> a denotation of some number with a digit.
> Pair then are designated with a P.
> So in designing an new language I would
> 2SWAP --> PSWAP
> 2NIP --> PNIP
> 2DROP --> PDROP
<clip>

Thank's for the input.
Using 2 to indicate doubles was probably a bad idea,
but its embedded in so much code, the transition to something else would be difficult
and impossible to impose on the Forth community. And mistaking the type designating letter
for part of the label could cause problems.

Forth's lack of a data type convention does make moving code from 16bit Forth to 32bit Forth difficult.

> Are you aware that it is a violation of netiquette to have a signature of
> more than 4 lines?
> Groetjes Albert
Yes:
The quote from the first woman author isn't part of the signature, it was a response
to an attack, a small part of what the signature was derived from.
When I was young my Grandfather told me, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
Christ stated it differently, "Cast not pearl before swine."
Mark Twain, "It's easier to fool people than convince them they''ve been fooled."
My friend from high school summed it up nicely with, "You can't fix stupid.."
But for some reason, I keep trying.
jrh
Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
until we sink.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:55:29 AM UTC-7, dxforth wrote:
> On 25/05/2023 7:29 pm, albert wrote:
> > In article <3663e030-61a0-4f61...@googlegroups.com>,
> > John Hart <johnro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > <SNIP>
> >> Dame Julian, 1373, first woman author. (English)

> > Are you aware that it is a violation of netiquette to have a signature of
> > more than 4 lines?

Yes! It's obvious to me what should be obvious to others, often isn't obvious.
jrh

Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
Discovering the purpose is what life's all about.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:21:37 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> The very simple question, is { 2var - - } a good/standard notation for a double variable?
> generated a thousand lines of off topic flame war posts and NOT one response to the question.
> Considering everything I posted was simple compared to what I was trying to explain,
> It appears I won't be able to use Google for group access, it won't let me block off topic posters,
> and the idea of persuing some type of group action, could be a complete waste of time..

I already gave you the answer to your simple question:

On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> You seem to be trying to implement local variables with data-types.
> This is a bad idea. Various people have tried to turn Forth into a typed
> language similar to Pascal and this has never worked out well.
> I would not do this. This is just the latest in your lengthy series of bad ideas.

I will explain this further:
Make all of your locals double-size, little-endian.
Prior to calling your sub-function, use S>D or U>D to convert the parameters
into doubles either signed or unsigned. Inside of the function, make your locals
like variables in that they provide an address. You use @ or ! to access them
(if you want to consider them to be single-precision). Or you use 2@ or 2! to access them
(if you want to consider them to be double-precision). So, you can work with your
locals as either single-precision or double-precision, without declaring them to have
a data-type --- declaring data-types is an effort to make Forth into a typed language
similar to Pascal --- this is the latest in your lengthy series of bad ideas.

You are obsessed with asking this stupid question of what syntax you should use
to declare the data-types of your locals, and you are not considering the stupidity
of declaring data-types for your locals.
This is like asking what caliber of pistol you should use to shoot yourself in the foot.

I have explained the problem with data-typing in Forth.
Do you need me to draw a picture for you?
I don't have the time or the crayons to draw a picture for you.
I'm not a kindergarten teacher. Try to be less stupid, especially in public..

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
> until we sink.

You don't know what God's purpose is, you arrogant dipshit! STFU!

You can't fix stupid, but you can tell it to STFU!

On 26/05/2023 6:22 am, John Hart wrote:
> ...
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
> until we sink.

Nobody asks what is the purpose of laughter. It seems equally absurd to ask what
is the purpose of life. What's actually being asked is why am I - and by extension
all of humanity - so miserable? Why would I need God to solve that - other than
I'm not prepared to solve it for myself.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:29:07 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> Discovering the purpose is what life's all about.

In the book, "A Scanner Darkly," we were told the story of Joe, the man who saw God.
Joe believed that megadoses of vitamins would make him more intelligent and more
virile. It is not clear why Joe believed this to be true because nobody else does.
Joe would concoct strong potions of vitamins in his effort to achieve his goal.
One day, after taking such a potion, Joe saw himself flying through a tunnel of light,
then he fainted. When he regained consciousness he saw God, and God was everywhere.
When Joe walked through the park, he saw that all of the people had a connection
to each other, and they were all working to fulfill God's plan, although they didn't know this.
When a woman jogger passed an old man they barely nodded to each other, and they
believed that they were distinct people, but they were actually connected and working
together for God. It wasn't just the people either. The dogs were connected, as was the
horse pulling the cart. Also, the trees and grass were connected and were contributing
to God's plan in their own way. Joe was very happy. Joe didn't know what God's plan was,
and he understood that this knowledge was above his level, but he was happy to learn that
there was a plan and that life was not random and meaningless as the atheists claim.
This lasted for three days. Then Joe woke up and he could no longer see the connection
between all of the living creatures on Earth. Joe still felt happy because he had seen God.
Joe couldn't remember what the formula for the vitamin potion was, so he experimented
with megadoses of vitamins every day in an effort to experience seeing God again.
This lasted for a year, and Joe did not see God again. He sometimes made himself ill,
and he was pissing in technicolor every day, but he didn't see God.
Joe began to consider the possibility that vitamins are not the path to God, but it was just a
coincidence that he saw God immediately after taking a vitamin potion. Also, Joe's doctor
told him to lay off the megadoses of vitamins because he was in danger of liver damage.
Joe quit taking vitamins and he gave up on the possibility of seeing God again.
Joe became depressed. He lost his job because he wasn't taking his work seriously, he was
making a lot of mistakes, and he was showing up late too often. He lost his girlfriend because
he was not earning any money and he was moping around the apartment every day.
Then Joe went mad. He took a baseball bat and he smashed everything in his apartment.
He smashed the windows, he smashed holes in the walls, and he even smashed his expensive
stereo although listening to music had always been a great enjoyment to him.. Joe was
screaming a lot, so the neighbors called the police. The police tased him, handcuffed him, and
took him to the looney bin. The psychiatrists asked: "Joe, why did you smash up your apartment?"
Joe explained: "I was angry because I couldn't see God."
The psychiatrists, all of whom were atheists, pointed out that there are billions of people
on Earth and none of them can see God, but they don't smash up their homes with bats.
They do their jobs, they love their families, and they seem to be content.
Joe told the psychiatrists about how he ad seen God. He was angry because couldn't see God again.
The psychiatrists told Joe that if he admitted that he was hallucinating during those three days,
they would declare him to be sane and they would let him go free. If he continued to claim
that he had seen God, they would declare him to be insane and would keep him in the looney bin.
This was very ironic because hallucinating is the hallmark of insanity, but admitting that he
hallucinated was the only way to be declared sane. Joe refused to admit that he had
hallucinated during those three days because those three days were the most important
experience of his life and he didn't want to throw this away. Joe remained in the looney bin.
This lasted for a year, then Joe committed suicide by hanging himself with a bedsheet.
That is the story of Joe, the man who saw God.

Now we have John Hart who claims that he knows what God's purpose is, and says that
the rest of us are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly until we sink.
John Hart should have read Proverbs 16:18 that says:
"Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."

I believe in God, but I don't pray or otherwise try to make contact with God,
because this is the path to self-destruction --- it is best to just accept your limitations.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 2:21:37 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> > The very simple question, is { 2var - - } a good/standard notation for a double variable?
<clip>
> On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
<clip>
> > I would not do this <clip> bad idea.
<clip>
> Make all of your locals double-size, little-endian.
> Prior to calling your sub-function, use S>D or U>D to convert the parameters
> into doubles either signed or unsigned. Inside of the function, make your locals
> like variables in that they provide an address. You use @ or ! to access them
> (if you want to consider them to be single-precision). Or you use 2@ or 2! to access them
> (if you want to consider them to be double-precision). So, you can work with your
> locals as either single-precision or double-precision, without declaring them to have
> a data-type ---
<clip>
An interesting on topic perspective at last!
I don't have time to think about it in depth but
wonder how well it would handle recursion
and the fetch would clutter up the notation
and increase execution time .

> I have explained the problem [ i have ] with data-typing in Forth.
Yes, you've made that very clear.

I don't have a problem with data-typing in Forth or any computer language.
The reason I chose Forth is because it's extensible.
Not extending it would be like putting on a straight jacket.

jhrh

Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God (the Supreme Being).
Quantum Mechanics and Relativity prove this conjecture as well as anything has ever been proved.
<clip>

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 8:09:29 PM UTC-7, dxforth wrote:
> On 26/05/2023 6:22 am, John Hart wrote:
> > ...
> > Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> > Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
> > until we sink.

Just wondering. Are comments on a signature, good forum etiquette?

jrh

Reality is an information process, designed by God to produce living beings..

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 9:18:49 PM UTC-7, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:29:07 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:

<<content clipped by responder without notation>>

> > Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> > Discovering the purpose is what life's all about.

If commenting on a signature is bad etiquette, what is a dissertation?

<clip interesting but off topic book review>

<clip ad hominem remark>

> "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."
Some have splinters in their eyes. others have logs.

> I believe in God, but I don't pray or otherwise try to make contact ith God,
> because this is the path to self-destruction --- it is best to just accept your limitations.

Have you ever considered that could be your problem, not others?

On Thu, 25 May 2023 23:13:23 -0700 (PDT)
John Hart <johnrogerhart@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just wondering. Are comments on a signature, good forum etiquette?
>
> jrh

Perhaps better after the formal prefix '/n-- /n'?
>
> Reality is an information process, designed by God to produce living beings.

Jan Coombs
--
Old conspiracy theorist's books?
'Icons of Evolution' Jonathan Wells 2000
'The Edge of Evolution...' Michael Behe 2007
'Evolution: A Theory in Crisis' Michael Denton 1985

In article <95e36cc2-e925-4e80-888b-ff0ace3ad59fn@googlegroups.com>,
Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:29:07 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
>> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God
>for a purpose.
>> Discovering the purpose is what life's all about.
>
>In the book, "A Scanner Darkly," we were told the story of Joe, the man
>who saw God.

<SNIP>
Marvelous story. Who was the writer?

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -

jan4comp.lang.forth@murray-microft.co.uk writes:

> Perhaps better after the formal prefix '/n-- /n'?

Without '/n-- /n' it is not a signature and then its contents in most
cases is off topic.

--
Take Back Control! -- Mesh The Planet!
Do you GNUS too? -- Stop worrying about spam and start to score.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5, John Hart wrote:
> But for some reason, I keep trying.

Less is more.

--
me

On Fri, 26 May 2023 12:19:18 albert wrote:
> In article <95e36cc2-e925-4e80-888b-ff0ace3ad59fn@googlegroups.com>,
> Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:29:07???PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
>>> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God
>>for a purpose.
>>> Discovering the purpose is what life's all about.
>>
>>In the book, "A Scanner Darkly," we were told the story of Joe, the man
>>who saw God.
>
> <SNIP>
> Marvelous story. Who was the writer?

From the title I would guess P.K.D.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scanner_Darkly

--
M.O.

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, John Hart wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:29:33 AM UTC-7, none albert wrote:
> > In article <3663e030-61a0-4f61...@googlegroups.com>,
> > John Hart <johnro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Is a leading number (2) a good way to signify the local is a double?
> > I think it is not a good idea to start any word that it is not
> > a denotation of some number with a digit.
> > Pair then are designated with a P.
> > So in designing an new language I would
> > 2SWAP --> PSWAP
> > 2NIP --> PNIP
> > 2DROP --> PDROP
> <clip>
>
> Thank's for the input.
> Using 2 to indicate doubles was probably a bad idea,
> but its embedded in so much code, the transition to something else would be difficult
> and impossible to impose on the Forth community. And mistaking the type designating letter
> for part of the label could cause problems.

John Hart, you are doing this wrong.
If you want to be a big leader in Forth, you have to join the Forth-200x mailing list.
You present your big idea as an RfD for Forth-200x. Much meaningless debate will follow,
then eventually Stephen Pelc will say 'Yay' or 'Nay' and everybody will agree with Stephen Pelc
whether they had argued pro or con previously. To succeed as a big leader in Forth you have to
brown-nose Stephen Pelc because he alone decides on every big idea presented.

Stephen Pelc's salesman Juergen Pintaske demanded that Testra attack me on comp.lang.forth
saying that I had been fired from Testra and that MFX was written long before I showed up.
Tom Hart did what Juergen Pintaske demanded. Tom Hart has never backed down from this.
Tom Hart is the president of Testra --- you are a mere vice-president --- Stephen Pelc doesn't need
you because he already has Tom Hart in his pocket and Tom Hart has you in his pocket.
Stephen Pelc will say 'Nay' to your big idea of data-types for local variables because you are
useless to him. Tom Hart is also useless to him because Tom Hart has already done the job
that Juergen Pintaske demanded of him and Stephen Pelc doesn't have another job for him to do.

In general, Stephen Pelc only says 'Yay' to big ideas that can be implemented in VFX in
less than five minutes of his time. Your big idea of data-types for locals would take more than
five minutes of Stephen Pelc's valuable time to implement, so that is an automatic 'Nay' for you.

Stephen Pelc wants people such as you to join the Forth-200x mailing-list so he can list your
names as supporters. He doesn't want your big ideas and he won't spend more than five minutes
of his valuable time considering your big ideas before he says 'Nay' to crush you under his boot.
Stephen Pelc just wants you to join the Forth-200x mailing list so you can be listed as a supporter.
It was the same with ANS-Forth. Charles Moore walked out on ANS-Forth in 1987 and he
slammed the door behind him when he left, but Elizabeth Rather listed him as a supporter on
the ANS-Forth document (most likely, ANSI required his name to be listed in order for them
to ratify ANS-Forth because Charles Moore was the inventor of Forth).
Similarly, Ray Duncan walked out on ANS-Forth, but Elizabeth Rather listed him as a supporter on
the ANS-Forth document (most likely, ANSI required his name to be listed in order for them
to ratify ANS-Forth because UR/Forth was the only professional Forth system of the 1990s).
Similarly, I walked out on Forth-200x, but the Forth-200x committee listed me as a supporter
of the Paysan-faked quotations despite the fact that I had steadfastly denounced this crap code
and I had eventually written code of my own (the rquotations) that actually worked.
I had to threaten a libel lawsuit to make them remove my name from their list of supporters.

> When I was young my Grandfather told me, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
> Christ stated it differently, "Cast not pearl before swine."
> Mark Twain, "It's easier to fool people than convince them they''ve been fooled."
> My friend from high school summed it up nicely with, "You can't fix stupid."
> But for some reason, I keep trying.
> jrh
> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
> Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
> until we sink.

John Hart, you are also doing this wrong.
On comp.lang.forth the "netiquette" is that you attack me by name.
You don't just spout an insulting proverb such as: "You can't fix stupid."
You have to aim your insult directly at me, calling me stupid by name.
You don't just spout an insult such as "ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly."
You have to aim your insult directly at me, calling me a ship without a rudder by name.
The only reason why the Verklempt Worms are supporting you, is because you are
willing to insult me, but you are doing it wrong by flinging your insults at the whole
world willy-nilly. To succeed on comp.lang.forth you have to fling your insults
only at me. John Passaniti learned this lesson. Originally he was on comp.lang.forth
flinging insults at everyone willy-nilly and promoting homosexuality. He was despised
by everyone. Then he got smart and learned that to be accepted, he had to praise
Elizabeth Rather and only fling insults at Elizabeth Rather's enemies (Jeff Fox and me).
So he did this. He got to fling plenty of insults, and he got to promote homosexuality,
so he was happy. To be accepted on comp.lang.forth you have to learn the same thing.
Praise Stephen Pelc and fling your insults only at Stephen Pelc's enemies (me).
You will get to fling plenty of insults, and you will get to promote Christianity,
so you will be happy. John Passaniti succeeded on comp.lang.forth and you can too!

John Passaniti's primary job was to fling insults at Jeff Fox, so John Passaniti
no longer had any purpose after Jeff Fox died and consequently John Passaniti
was no longer accepted on comp.lang.forth and he had to leave.
Similarly, your primary job is to fling insults at me, so you will no longer have any
purpose if I were to die and consequently you will no longer be accepted on
comp.lang.forth and you will have to leave.
It is unlikely that I will die anytime soon though, so you can look forward to
many years of being accepted on comp.lang.forth.

On 26/05/2023 4:13 pm, John Hart wrote:
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 8:09:29 PM UTC-7, dxforth wrote:
>> On 26/05/2023 6:22 am, John Hart wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
>>> Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
>>> until we sink.
>
> Just wondering. Are comments on a signature, good forum etiquette?

I'm unaware of any netiquette stating signatures are one-way communications.
That would make them propaganda.

In article <u4rr6o$90tj$1@dont-email.me>, dxforth <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 26/05/2023 4:13 pm, John Hart wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 8:09:29 PM UTC-7, dxforth wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2023 6:22 am, John Hart wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Reality is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose.
>>>> Until we know the purpose, we are like ships without rudders, wandering aimlessly
>>>> until we sink.
>>
>> Just wondering. Are comments on a signature, good forum etiquette?
>
>I'm unaware of any netiquette stating signatures are one-way communications.
>That would make them propaganda.
>

I guess you could comment on signatures provided they are quotes by
'>' characters.

Groetjes Albert
--
Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -