On 12/15/2023 12:02 PM, Tom Furie wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 12/15/2023 8:38 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> "Effective Feb 15 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>>> Usenet content.  Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
>>> content from Usenet peers will not appear.  Viewing and searching of
>>> historical data will still be supported as it is done today."
>>
>> No new content from any source what-so-ever seems worse.
>
> Google Groups will still exist, usenet will still exist. Google are
> simply closing the gg<->usenet gateway. Frankly, it's likely to be a
> relief to many usenet admins. If you access usenet via Google Groups,
> you simply have to find an alternate route, of which there are many.

This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
every USENET message. 90% of the population doesn't even know what
USENET is thus cannot find and install a newsreader and join a USENET
provider.

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olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:

> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
> every USENET message.

https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26

> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.

Life will find a way!

But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.

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On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>> every USENET message.
>
> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>
>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>
> Life will find a way!
>
> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>

I need a consistent web interface that can access
and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
groups stops being updated this will prevent
access to new messages by their web interface.

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hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

[...]

>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>
> Life will find a way!

That's right. If the USENET shrinks quite a lot, say, it will also be
easy to maintain it, so we can likely do it all ourselves. People will
discover us when they need us. Right now, they're enjoying themselves.
When a crisis bursts out, they'll suddenly say --- omg, we need
something with properties USENET(1), USENET(2), ..., USENET(n). That's
when they'll discover it right under their noses.

We need to consider as well that perhaps the USENET can only function
while small. In the past, the USENET was filled with researchers and
skilled people. Where are they now? They could come back now that
Google is finally going away. Let's wait.

olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>>> every USENET message.
>>
>> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>>
>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>
>> Life will find a way!
>>
>> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>>
>
>I need a consistent web interface that can access
>and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
>is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
>groups stops being updated this will prevent
>access to new messages by their web interface.

https://www.easynews.com/features/

On 12/15/2023 3:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>>>> every USENET message.
>>>
>>> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>>>
>>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>>
>>> Life will find a way!
>>>
>>> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>>>
>>
>> I need a consistent web interface that can access
>> and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
>> is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
>> groups stops being updated this will prevent
>> access to new messages by their web interface.
>
> https://www.easynews.com/features/

I need a way that users can click on a link and get to my
USENET post. Google Groups has always been my way.

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Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>On 12/15/2023 3:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>>>>> every USENET message.
>>>>
>>>> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>>>>
>>>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>>>
>>>> Life will find a way!
>>>>
>>>> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I need a consistent web interface that can access
>>> and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
>>> is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
>>> groups stops being updated this will prevent
>>> access to new messages by their web interface.
>>
>> https://www.easynews.com/features/
>
>I need a way that users can click on a link and get to my
>USENET post. Google Groups has always been my way.

I suspect most of us will be happier if you don't find
a new way...

On 12/15/2023 4:43 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/15/2023 3:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>>>>>> every USENET message.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>>>>>
>>>>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>>>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>>>>
>>>>> Life will find a way!
>>>>>
>>>>> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need a consistent web interface that can access
>>>> and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
>>>> is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
>>>> groups stops being updated this will prevent
>>>> access to new messages by their web interface.
>>>
>>> https://www.easynews.com/features/
>>
>> I need a way that users can click on a link and get to my
>> USENET post. Google Groups has always been my way.
>
> I suspect most of us will be happier if you don't find
> a new way...

The same thing effects everyone.
With the changes no one can ever refer anyone to a USENET post.

--
Copyright 2023 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

On 15/12/2023 22:50, olcott wrote:
>
> The same thing effects everyone.
> With the changes no one can ever refer anyone to a USENET post.
>

Er, Message-ID?

On 12/16/23 01:03, Richard Harnden wrote:
>>
>> The same thing effects everyone.
>> With the changes no one can ever refer anyone to a USENET post.
>>
>
> Er, Message-ID?

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=170268633500

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On 12/15/2023 2:43 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 12/15/2023 3:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 12/15/2023 1:00 PM, yeti wrote:
>>>>> olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This means that there will no longer be any way that everyone can see
>>>>>> every USENET message.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://comp.lang.c.narkive.com/n2nNrNEq/comp-lang-c-more-musings-on-the-spam-problem#post26
>>>>>
>>>>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>>>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>>>>
>>>>> Life will find a way!
>>>>>
>>>>> But if they don't ask, we will not know who needs/wants which help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I need a consistent web interface that can access
>>>> and USENET message / conversation. Google groups
>>>> is the only one that I am aware of. When Google
>>>> groups stops being updated this will prevent
>>>> access to new messages by their web interface.
>>>
>>> https://www.easynews.com/features/
>>
>> I need a way that users can click on a link and get to my
>> USENET post. Google Groups has always been my way.
>
> I suspect most of us will be happier if you don't find
> a new way...

No shit.

On 12/15/2023 12:06 PM, Julieta Shem wrote:
> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>>> 90% of the population doesn't even know what USENET is thus cannot
>>> find and install a newsreader and join a USENET provider.
>>
>> Life will find a way!
>
> That's right. If the USENET shrinks quite a lot, say, it will also be
> easy to maintain it, so we can likely do it all ourselves. People will
> discover us when they need us. Right now, they're enjoying themselves.
> When a crisis bursts out, they'll suddenly say --- omg, we need
> something with properties USENET(1), USENET(2), ..., USENET(n). That's
> when they'll discover it right under their noses.
>
> We need to consider as well that perhaps the USENET can only function
> while small. In the past, the USENET was filled with researchers and
> skilled people. Where are they now? They could come back now that
> Google is finally going away. Let's wait.

Most interesting thoughts indeed! :^)

On 15.12.2023 21:06, Julieta Shem wrote:
>
> [...] In the past, the USENET was filled with researchers and
> skilled people. Where are they now?

In StackExchange and StackOverflow and in various web-based
specific forums.

There are still a lot of enthusiastic experts here in Usenet,
though. But I don't think that it will stay that way; time
works against it. - The newer generations would need to jump
on the bandwagon. Do they?

> They could come back now that
> Google is finally going away. Let's wait.

Don't count on that. :-) And I don't think that waiting will
turn anything to good account.

One thing to also consider is that ISPs have shut down their
NNTP servers/services; happened to me twice. Can we count on
the persistence of non-commercial free Usenet services?

Janis