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* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Kerr-Mudd,John
+* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes -Rod Pemberton
|`* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Kerr-Mudd,John
| `* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes -Rod Pemberton
|  `* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Kerr-Mudd,John
|   `* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes -Rod Pemberton
|    `* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Kerr-Mudd,John
|     `- Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes -Rod Pemberton
`* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Bernhard Schornak
 `* Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes -wolfgang kern
  `- Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)Bernhard Schornak

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Subject: Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)
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On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:15:37 GMT, Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de>
wrote:

Rod Pemberton wrote:


On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:41:11 +0100
Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> wrote:

According to Mr. Trump, global warming is a Chinese invention to
bring the USA down.

Coal is one of the most abundant fuel source on the planet, especially
if you exclude hydrogen trapped in water molecules.  Coal is capable
of
powering the planet for centuries, much like the sun, when or if the
emissions issue of burning coal can be solved.  While I doubt that
clean
coal combustion will be developed any time soon, entering into
financial
agreements which tax the U.S. - a major coal polluter - for green
house
gas emissions, but which completely exempt China - an even greater
coal
polluter - would clearly be unwise financially.  I.e., the U.S. would
be paying China to burn coal.  Banning the combustion of coal would be
premature given that researchers are working on clean coal technology.

While the world is upset with President Trump's decision to back out
of
the Paris accord, I believe it to be the correct choice, given that
China was not held to the same standards.  Clearly, it was a mistake
for the U.S. to halt building of nuclear power plants in the past at
the request of environmentalists, as that forced the U.S. to burn more
coal.  Now, environmentalists want the U.S. to ban coal as well. 
Until
there is a form of energy production on Earth which is of sufficient
magnitude to power the world without pollution, environmentalists will
complain about whatever is in use.


There's a similar discussion over here: Because industries make
huge profits with coal and some thousand jobs are menaced, they
start(ed) campaigns to 'save our future power supply' - even if
coal is not the main source of electrical power, and the annual
contingent of fossile sources is decreasing since decades (40.3
percent in 2012).

One more important aspect was the count of casualties caused by
air pollution emitted by burning of fossile material - everyone
praying we have to burn fossile sources should also admit these
profits / earnings cost deaths of thousands of people per year.
So the true story is:

"Thousands of people have to die to help us earn money with the
pollution of Earth's athmosphere!"

I wouldn't call myself 'environmentalist'. I love to drive fast
cars and trucks, I burn coal because it is cheaper than heating
my room with electrical energy - surely not a typical behaviour
for environment fanatics on crusade... ;)

Regarding the current President of the USA: He managed to smash
the international reputation of the USA in less than one year -
let's have a look if he can top it in his second year.


How did he do?


--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.


Subject: Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:00:20 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:15:37 GMT, Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de>
wrote:
Rod Pemberton wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:41:11 +0100
Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> wrote:

According to Mr. Trump, global warming is a Chinese invention to
bring the USA down.

Coal is one of the most abundant fuel source on the planet,
especially if you exclude hydrogen trapped in water molecules.
Coal is capable
of
powering the planet for centuries, much like the sun, when or if
the emissions issue of burning coal can be solved.  While I doubt
that
clean
coal combustion will be developed any time soon, entering into
financial
agreements which tax the U.S. - a major coal polluter - for green
house
gas emissions, but which completely exempt China - an even greater
coal
polluter - would clearly be unwise financially.  I.e., the U.S.
would be paying China to burn coal.  Banning the combustion of
coal would be premature given that researchers are working on
clean coal technology.

While the world is upset with President Trump's decision to back
out
of
the Paris accord, I believe it to be the correct choice, given that
China was not held to the same standards.  Clearly, it was a
mistake for the U.S. to halt building of nuclear power plants in
the past at the request of environmentalists, as that forced the
U.S. to burn more coal.  Now, environmentalists want the U.S. to
ban coal as well. 
Until
there is a form of energy production on Earth which is of
sufficient magnitude to power the world without pollution,
environmentalists will complain about whatever is in use.


There's a similar discussion over here: Because industries make
huge profits with coal and some thousand jobs are menaced, they
start(ed) campaigns to 'save our future power supply' - even if
coal is not the main source of electrical power, and the annual
contingent of fossile sources is decreasing since decades (40.3
percent in 2012).

One more important aspect was the count of casualties caused by
air pollution emitted by burning of fossile material - everyone
praying we have to burn fossile sources should also admit these
profits / earnings cost deaths of thousands of people per year.
So the true story is:

"Thousands of people have to die to help us earn money with the
pollution of Earth's athmosphere!"

I wouldn't call myself 'environmentalist'. I love to drive fast
cars and trucks, I burn coal because it is cheaper than heating
my room with electrical energy - surely not a typical behaviour
for environment fanatics on crusade... ;)

Regarding the current President of the USA: He managed to smash
the international reputation of the USA in less than one year -
let's have a look if he can top it in his second year.


How did he do?


Even though you're a persistent Usenet troll from the U.K., and even
though you responded to Bernard here, it seems as if your comment was
directed at me.  Was it?  Maybe, you can learn something or gain some
insights into the U.S. by reading my response below.  I'm sure it's
radically different from what you were taught to believe by biased
media in the U.K. and E.U., and even leftist media in the U.S.


Trump still has a narrow chance for a second term, as nearly 74 million
people voted for him the second time.  That's the second highest vote
for any U.S. President, except Joe Biden who had roughly 81 million
people vote for him.  That's enough to virtually guarantee Trump a win
against anyone else, should he be able to maintain his momentum while
being out of office over the next four years.  Biden also said he's not
running for a second term, which is probably a lie.

Trump's ability to easily insult people, allowed him to quickly
determine where people stood on critical issues.  This politically
incorrect behavior is not something which politically correct people
understand, such as other politicians.  Unfortunately, this also made
many people angry with Trump.  Anarchists, liberals, progressives, and
socialists were consistently upset with Trump.  Of course, there is a
larger abundance of such people in the E.U. on a percentage basis, than
in the U.S., which is more well-balanced between liberal and
conservative thought.  The stench of liberal group think in Europe
doesn't exist here.

So, despite the fact that Trump was hated by half our country, which
was mostly an extreme negative emotional reaction to Hillary Clinton
losing, I have no problem stating that Donald Trump was the greatest
President of my entire lifetime (but I admit that I only remember as
far back as Jimmy Carter ...). No other Presidents have accomplished as
much of what they claimed to do. No other Presidents have done the
things they promised. By comparison, all other Presidents - both
Republican and Democrat - qualify as milquetoasts.

So, let's look at some of Trump's accomplishments, from the perspective
of many millions of Americans, of course:

a) Trump selected three respectable conservative justices for U.S.
Supreme Court, ensuring that legislation-from-the-bench, an illegal
activity which resulted in the Roe v. Wade decision, is unlikely to
occur anytime in the near future.

b) Trump reduced illegal border crossing by over 50% after erecting 453
miles of new primary border wall with Mexico, according to Customs and
Border Protection. (Biden halted further border wall for 60 day review.)

c) Trump established a new framework for peace in the middle east with
Israel and other Arabic countries, which was signed by Bahrain, United
Arab Emirates, and Sudan.  This is called the Abraham Accords.

d) Trump rebuilt our ailing military, reduced U.S. presence in
conflicts abroad, and fixed problems with the Department of Veterans
Affairs.

e) Trump halted imminent and persistent threats of nuclear attacks by
both North Korea and Iran, through diplomacy and rescinding of a
nuclear agreement.

f) Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris Agreement, which was an
underhanded method of the United Nations, that granted foreign nations
the illegal authority to tax the U.S. via carbon emission credits.  The
Paris Agreement does little to nothing to reduce actual carbon
emissions, nor would it reduce global warming.  It's toothless and
ineffective except to engage in income theft and wealth redistribution
via indirect taxation.

g) Trump renegotiated NAFTA which resulted in unfair (and
uncorrectable) trade imbalances with Mexico and Canada. The result was
the USMCA, which helps to protect American automotive jobs, opens up
competitive free-trade markets in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico such as
dairy, encourages unions in Mexico to help reduce endemic poverty,
increases and coordinates intellectual property protections for
innovative companies, and provides a mechanism to resolve disputes
which eliminated numerous costly tariffs due to unresolved issues with
NAFTA.

h) Trump terminated our relationship with the WHO because it covered up
the COVID-19 pandemic on behalf of China.

i) Trump criticized NATO because other members weren't paying their
fair share, as it seems that they had lost interest in the group and
fulfilling their duties.

j) Trump restarted the Keystone pipeline which is needed for U.S.
energy independence. (Obama, Biden halted for environmental reasons.)
The next Republican president will likely restart it ...

etc


By comparison, Barack Obama's legacy is and will be much like that of
the pharaoh Akhenaten, who was chiseled from the walls ...

--
Microsoft:"You can't fix it."
Linux:"You can't compile it."



Subject: Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)
From: Bernhard Schornak
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Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:


On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:15:37 GMT, Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de>
wrote:

Rod Pemberton wrote:


On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:41:11 +0100
Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> wrote:

According to Mr. Trump, global warming is a Chinese invention to
bring the USA down.

Coal is one of the most abundant fuel source on the planet, especially
if you exclude hydrogen trapped in water molecules.  Coal is capable
of
powering the planet for centuries, much like the sun, when or if the
emissions issue of burning coal can be solved.  While I doubt that
clean
coal combustion will be developed any time soon, entering into
financial
agreements which tax the U.S. - a major coal polluter - for green
house
gas emissions, but which completely exempt China - an even greater
coal
polluter - would clearly be unwise financially.  I.e., the U.S. would
be paying China to burn coal.  Banning the combustion of coal would be
premature given that researchers are working on clean coal technology.

While the world is upset with President Trump's decision to back out
of
the Paris accord, I believe it to be the correct choice, given that
China was not held to the same standards.  Clearly, it was a mistake
for the U.S. to halt building of nuclear power plants in the past at
the request of environmentalists, as that forced the U.S. to burn more
coal.  Now, environmentalists want the U.S. to ban coal as well.
Until
there is a form of energy production on Earth which is of sufficient
magnitude to power the world without pollution, environmentalists will
complain about whatever is in use.


There's a similar discussion over here: Because industries make
huge profits with coal and some thousand jobs are menaced, they
start(ed) campaigns to 'save our future power supply' - even if
coal is not the main source of electrical power, and the annual
contingent of fossile sources is decreasing since decades (40.3
percent in 2012).

One more important aspect was the count of casualties caused by
air pollution emitted by burning of fossile material - everyone
praying we have to burn fossile sources should also admit these
profits / earnings cost deaths of thousands of people per year.
So the true story is:

"Thousands of people have to die to help us earn money with the
pollution of Earth's athmosphere!"

I wouldn't call myself 'environmentalist'. I love to drive fast
cars and trucks, I burn coal because it is cheaper than heating
my room with electrical energy - surely not a typical behaviour
for environment fanatics on crusade... ;)

Regarding the current President of the USA: He managed to smash
the international reputation of the USA in less than one year -
let's have a look if he can top it in his second year.


How did he do?


He delivered a persistent performance, didn't he? ;)


Greetings from Augsburg

Bernhard Schornak


Subject: Re: OT: Fast cars (was Re: More UTF-8 woes - UTF-8 to "\uN" RTF)
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On 08.02.2021 03:42, Bernhard Schornak wrote:

[Mr.Trump ...]

He delivered a persistent performance, didn't he? ;)

and after his lawyers fled he have to resign twice yet :)
__
wolfgang


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On Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:30:12 GMT, Rod Pemberton
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:00:20 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:15:37 GMT, Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de>
wrote:
Rod Pemberton wrote:
[something he felt I was challenging]

Regarding the current President of the USA: He managed to smash
the international reputation of the USA in less than one year -
let's have a look if he can top it in his second year.


How did he do?


Even though you're a persistent Usenet troll from the U.K., and even

Well I'm a persistent poster who indeed is in the UK, so 2 out of 3 ain't
bad. I recently "trolled" by posting an assembler program (gasp!), but I
got little interest:
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though you responded to Bernard here, it seems as if your comment was
directed at me.  Was it?  Maybe, you can learn something or gain some

No, Mr Sensitive. I was looking at some old posts and idly wondered if
people's views had changed with time. Sorry.

insights into the U.S. by reading my response below.  I'm sure it's
radically different from what you were taught to believe by biased
media in the U.K. and E.U., and even leftist media in the U.S.
[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

Darn it, I can see this is just more flame-bait.



--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.


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wolfgang kern wrote:


On 08.02.2021 03:42, Bernhard Schornak wrote:

[Mr.Trump ...]

He delivered a persistent performance, didn't he? ;)

and after his lawyers fled he have to resign twice yet :)


Yep. As compensation, the fiscal authorities are after him... ;)


Pfüat'Di!

Bernhard


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On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

I'm not rightist.  Try again.

--
Microsoft:"You can't fix it."
Linux:"You can't compile it."





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On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

I'm not rightist.  Try again.


Depends where you stand;
*I'm* a moderate, *you are* an extremist, *he is* a complete loon.

But enough talk of C; let's get some asm going here;

256 byte tetris anyone?

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.


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"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:39:19 GMT, Rod Pemberton
<nomailings@trgzxcqvbe.cpm> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

I'm not rightist.  Try again.


Depends where you stand;
*I'm* a moderate, *you are* an extremist, *he is* a complete loon.

Yes, it does "depend upon where you stand".

FYI, *I'm* a moderate, at least, by American standards.

We - U.S. citizens - outnumber all of you in the U.K. by 263 million or
thereabouts ...  We also rival the E.U. in terms of population (330 vs.
447).  Our economy exceeds that of the E.U. and U.K. combined by a few
trillion.  So, our viewpoints really shouldn't be dismissed so readily
by someone in the U.K. or E.U., as was done by your political leaders
and citizens during Trump's presidency.  The immense disrespect shown to
the our country, the U.S. president, and the people who elected him,
won't be forgotten any time soon.  For every action, there is an equal
and opposite reaction.  In the future, the winds will blow in a
different direction.

Why or how am I a moderate?  I have an equal mix of U.S. leftist and
rightist political beliefs, which are further to the right than U.K.
and E.U. My entire life, leftists were to the left of me and
conservatives were to the right of me, until Hillary Clinton lost.
Then, leftists went ape shit, triggered from the loss of their
emotional investment, and headed far off to the left, and starting
calling everyone -ist and -ic, e.g., homophobic, racist, misogynist
etc.  Technically, I'm a libertarian according to political scientists,
but in the U.S. people confuse that with the Libertarian Party, a
political party with similar but different viewpoints, and in the U.K.
they seem to confuse that with the radical leftist ideology of anarchy,
e.g., libertarian anarchism.

But enough talk of C;

?

let's get some asm going here;

256 byte tetris anyone?


No.

Why would you want this coded in assembly instead of a "portable"
high-level language like C?  Seems pointless.  Even Brainfuck would be
a better choice:

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck

--
Biden is just as one-sided and divisive as Trump.  Bad President!
No unity for you.  Come back 4 years!



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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:35:10 GMT, Rod Pemberton
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:23:48 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:39:19 GMT, Rod Pemberton
<nomailings@trgzxcqvbe.cpm> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

I'm not rightist.  Try again.


Depends where you stand;
*I'm* a moderate, *you are* an extremist, *he is* a complete loon.

Yes, it does "depend upon where you stand".

FYI, *I'm* a moderate, at least, by American standards.

We - U.S. citizens - outnumber all of you in the U.K. by 263 million or
thereabouts ...  We also rival the E.U. in terms of population (330 vs.
447).  Our economy exceeds that of the E.U. and U.K. combined by a few
trillion.  So, our viewpoints really shouldn't be dismissed so readily

Ah might=right; watch out for China.

by someone in the U.K. or E.U., as was done by your political leaders
and citizens during Trump's presidency.  The immense disrespect shown
to
the our country, the U.S. president, and the people who elected him,
won't be forgotten any time soon.  For every action, there is an equal
and opposite reaction.  In the future, the winds will blow in a
different direction.

Trump was/is certifiable; why people were desperate enough to want a
"leader" with his lack of grasp of reality was incredible. That they
*still* couldn't wouldn't see that 4 years later shows some form of mass
psychosis.
 You (US) have a big repair job ahead. People there seem to just want
"the good old days" back, without putting any effort in.
[]

No asm then.

Enough from me about the US's problems.
--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.


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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:35:10 GMT, Rod Pemberton
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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:39:19 GMT, Rod Pemberton
<nomailings@trgzxcqvbe.cpm> wrote:
On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:33:49 -0000 (UTC)
"Kerr-Mudd,John" <notsaying@127.0.0.1> wrote:

[crazy rightist US view on what is 'leftist' snipped].

I'm not rightist.  Try again.


Depends where you stand;
*I'm* a moderate, *you are* an extremist, *he is* a complete loon.

Yes, it does "depend upon where you stand".

FYI, *I'm* a moderate, at least, by American standards.

We - U.S. citizens - outnumber all of you in the U.K. by 263
million or thereabouts ...  We also rival the E.U. in terms of
population (330 vs. 447).  Our economy exceeds that of the E.U. and
U.K. combined by a few trillion.  So, our viewpoints really
shouldn't be dismissed so readily

Ah might=right; watch out for China.

China will implode.  Nothing for us to do.  Their policies, beliefs,
and practices are simply unsustainable.  E.g., population peak and
crash about 2050 due to their one-child policy, their economy has
been fueled by debt since year 2007, China's currency manipulation of
the yuan is causing capital flight, their large trade imbalances with
other countries, their aggression in South China sea, their extreme
environmental damage due to rapid economic growth harming agriculture,
and their strong economy driving China away from communism, socialism,
and authoritarianism towards democracy and freedom, etc.

by someone in the U.K. or E.U., as was done by your political
leaders and citizens during Trump's presidency.  The immense
disrespect shown
to
the our country, the U.S. president, and the people who elected him,
won't be forgotten any time soon.  For every action, there is an
equal and opposite reaction.  In the future, the winds will blow in
a different direction.

Trump was/is certifiable; why people were desperate enough to want a
"leader" with his lack of grasp of reality was incredible. That they
*still* couldn't wouldn't see that 4 years later shows some form of
mass psychosis.

Well, that's typical liberal bullshit.  Isn't it?

Personal opinions.
Baseless claims.
No specifics.
No explanation.

I.e., I don't understand why you claim, without justification or
explanation of any sort, "certifiably [insane]", "desperate people",
"lack of grasp of reality", "mass psychosis", etc.

mass psychosis.

As I stated previously, U.S. liberals were always to the left of me, and
U.S. conservatives were always to the right of me.  I'm still in
the middle, conservatives are still to the right, and liberals are
nowhere to be found, so it was liberals went off the deep end.  I.e.,
"mass psychosis" is the reaction by liberals, progressives, Democrats
and anyone who disliked Trump.  Trump was very literal and simplistic in
what he said, which is one reason why 78 million people voted for him,
i.e., they saw him as truthful, not dishonest like politicians, nor
dishonest like urban liberals.  Unfortunately, he was too simplistic,
terse, which resulted in ambiguity.  The liberal media, liberals and
progressives pounced this ambiguity to read into or between the lines
to concoct negative connotations, like racism.  E.g., Donald Trump
didn't know who David Duke was - unmentioned by the media for over 25
years now - so liberals incorrectly perceived that as Trump "not
denouncing racism".  E.g., media reported that mainly drug traffickers
and MS-13 gang members were the immigrants crossing our southern
border, but when Trump states this, and mentions some good people cross
too, liberals and media call it "racism" (Mexicans are an ethnicity)
against innocent Mexican immigrants, families, children.

Trump was/is certifiable;

In what way?  (i.e., without specifics that's a baseless claim)

lack of grasp of reality

In what way?  (i.e., without specifics that's a baseless claim)



My guess is you really don't understand America, nor Americans, nor the
actual issues, as they're viewed by Americans, that happened during
recent elections.

why people were desperate enough to want a "leader"

Donald Trump was only known by most Americans to be a successful
businessman and a reality television star.  All the other negative press
about him was only known to New Yorkers (and non-Americans apparently).
He was viewed as a political outsider, who would clean up the perceived
corruption in Washington DC, and negotiate good deals.  Donald Trump
used the **exact** same tactics to become elected that Bill Clinton
used, i.e., appeal to men, appeal to the heartland, appeal to union and
blue-collar workers, embrace the populist issues.  No one ever
criticized Bill Clinton for that.  Hillary chose not to do that, which
is likely a factor in why she lost.  Maybe, if she had done just a
little bit of that, and she hadn't lost votes by offending coal miners
and unions in the process (more on that below), maybe she'd have won as
the election vote was close.  Unfortunately, Hillary didn't have much
of a political message, after Obama's "success," other than "More of
the same everybody."  That message fell flat for people who wanted
change.

As for Hillary Clinton,

a) Young people were only familiar with Hillary Clinton's more recent
work on women's rights, perhaps the Benghazi attack or her email
scandal, and the fact that she'd be the first female U.S. President.

b) Older people were familiar with all of Hillary Clinton's scandals.
Hillary Clinton was a walking scandal machine with over 22 documented
scandals, where everyone around her was either arrested or died
mysteriously soon thereafter.  Many people view Hillary Clinton as a
perpetual liar, as she is very easy to read when she lies, which she
does incessantly.  American Christians notice this because they are
very truthful due to their Christian values.  Hillary Clinton expressed
extreme anti-Russian aggression too.  Many older Americans didn't want
Hillary Clinton to have the nuclear codes - which was her complaint
about Trump - because of her perceived anger towards Russia.  Hillary
Clinton lost the support of many people in the mid-west just prior to
the election after she said the Democrats would put coal miners
out-of-work in favor of green energy.  This affected the jobs of many
blue-collar workers, union members in steel and auto-work, and
descendants of coal miners.  Coal miners are the reason that labor
unions exist in the U.S.  The many millions of descendants of coal
miners occupy the mid-west, which were the states that flipped for
Trump as well as some surrounding states.  Now, why do you think they
flipped? Did your U.K. media write anything about unions and coal
miners as a factor in Hillary Clinton's loss?  No, they didn't ...
Ours hasn't either, neither the left or the right, as I read numerous
sources from both sides.

 You (US) have a big repair job ahead.

Yes, we do.  Biden is not just ripping out all the things the liberals
perceive to be "racist," but is also attempting to rip out all the good
things Trump did for this country, that no other president even
attempted, nor will ever achieve again.  How can you achieve something
when there is nothing left for you to achieve?  ...  Claim your
predecessor was a nincompoop.  Destroy something.  Destroy
everything.  Start over.  Now, Biden can claim to achieve something ...
My father calls this, "Flipping the table over, so you can take credit
for righting it."  You can re-read my list that you snipped for some of
those things that Trump accomplished.

People there seem to just want "the good old days" back, without
putting any effort in.

Many of the people who voted for Trump were the exact same people who
voted for Barack Obama.  If people "wanted the good old days back", none
of them would've voted for Obama.  Everyone knew he was a radical
leftist or at least a liberal.  So, I don't know what that means.
There was a large overlap of the voters, especially of white voters,
who voted for Obama since African-Americans (blacks) never voted white
prior to Joe Biden.  Isn't that racist?  In both elections of Obama and
Trump, large swaths of the U.S. population were neglected by prior U.S.
Presidents.  Blacks (African-Americans) were ignored by U.S. Presidents
(prior to Biden) by both parties, and so blacks voted for Obama, for
obvious racial reasons, along with many whites.  A significant
percentage of the white population and regions of the U.S. was ignored
by Obama for eight years, so white union members, conservatives,
Christians, rural whites, and white men voted for Trump.  Also, those
who disliked Hillary Clinton because of her numerous scandals, and
her perception as a perpetual liar, voted for Trump too.

No asm then.

Asm in a pandemic? ...  I'm sure that people are just not in the mood.

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