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* int 13h & greaterHul Tytus
+* Re: int 13h & greaterR.Wieser
|+- Re: int 13h & greaterTerje Mathisen
|`* Re: int 13h & greaterHul Tytus
| `* Re: int 13h & greaterR.Wieser
|  `* Re: int 13h & greatersrc153
|   +- Re: int 13h & greaterR.Wieser
|   `* Re: int 13h & greaterTerje Mathisen
|    `* Re: int 13h & greaterFrank Kotler
|     `* Re: int 13h & greatersrc153
|      `- Re: int 13h & greaterFrank Kotler
`* Re: int 13h & greaterJJ
 `- Re: int 13h & greatersrc153

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Subject: int 13h & greater
From: Hul Tytus
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   I'm looking for the method(s) used to access disks with greater than 8 gigabytes capacity
on the IBM style computers, ie Compaq/hp, Dell, etc? I've checked interupt 13h for the
presence of "extended" capabilities but have found nothing on 4 different machines.
There is, obviously, another access path. Anyone know what or where it is.

Hul



Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: R.Wieser
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Hul,

  I'm looking for the method(s) used to access disks with greater than 8
gigabytes
capacity on the IBM style computers, ie Compaq/hp, Dell, etc? I've checked
interupt 13h for the presence of "extended" capabilities but have found
nothing on
4 different machines.

You mean like INT 0x13, AH=0x42 - EXTENDED READ ?

Suggestion: Find yourself a copy of 'Ralf Browns Interrup List'*, as it
probably contains more info than you will ever need :-)
*Drop that string into google and you will most likely find the download.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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R.Wieser wrote:
Hul,

   I'm looking for the method(s) used to access disks with greater than 8
gigabytes
capacity on the IBM style computers, ie Compaq/hp, Dell, etc? I've checked
interupt 13h for the presence of "extended" capabilities but have found
nothing on
4 different machines.

You mean like INT 0x13, AH=0x42 - EXTENDED READ ?

Suggestion: Find yourself a copy of 'Ralf Browns Interrup List'*, as it
probably contains more info than you will ever need :-)
*Drop that string into google and you will most likely find the download.

I'll second that suggestion, RB's list have been the definitive reference for PC BIOS questions for at least 3 decades now.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"



Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: JJ
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 19:51:51 +0000 (UTC), Hul Tytus wrote:
   I'm looking for the method(s) used to access disks with greater than 8 gigabytes capacity
on the IBM style computers, ie Compaq/hp, Dell, etc? I've checked interupt 13h for the
presence of "extended" capabilities but have found nothing on 4 different machines.
There is, obviously, another access path. Anyone know what or where it is.

Hul

If there's no Int 13h Extension support, then you'll have to use port I/O.
Check xtideuniversalbios project's source code to see how it implements the
Int 13h Extension.



Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: Hul Tytus
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From: ht...@nospicedham.panix.com (Hul Tytus)
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Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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Rudy - Brown shows that extended but, as stated below, there's no evidence
that it's in use.

Hul

R.Wieser <address@nospicedham.not.available> wrote:
Hul,

  I'm looking for the method(s) used to access disks with greater than 8
gigabytes
capacity on the IBM style computers, ie Compaq/hp, Dell, etc? I've checked
interupt 13h for the presence of "extended" capabilities but have found
nothing on
4 different machines.

You mean like INT 0x13, AH=0x42 - EXTENDED READ ?

Suggestion: Find yourself a copy of 'Ralf Browns Interrup List'*, as it
probably contains more info than you will ever need :-)
*Drop that string into google and you will most likely find the download.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: src153
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 14:38:40 +0700, JJ wrote:

If there's no Int 13h Extension support, then you'll have to use port I/O.
Check xtideuniversalbios project's source code to see how it implements the
Int 13h Extension.

Jacks's UHDD.SYS hooks INT 13h to provide UDMA for DOS, much faster than
PIO. Looks like XTIDE only does PIO.

UHDD.SYS also has source code. Probably not an easy read though.




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: R.Wieser
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Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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Hul,

Rudy - Brown shows that extended but, as stated below, there's
no evidence that it's in use.

No, you did not state that /at all/.   You mentioned that you could not find
any extended capabilities in four computers.  Full stop.

No indication to the 'motherboards and the involved drives ages - which
certainly plays a role in those extended capabilities being avialable or
not.  And also no indication to /how/ you checked for those capabilities.
For all I know your checking method is flawed ...

In short, you failed to present the most basic information - which as of yet
you still do not seem to realize. :-(

Nonetheless I gave you a starting point - which you now reject without even
a reason.  For all I know you just threw it aside without even trying ("too
hard" or something like that).  :-((

What do you expect from us ?    (and do yourself a favour: Do /not/ ask for
full-fledged code.  Not in this newsgroup anyway)

And by the way:

1) That that INT 0x13, AH=0x42 is in Ralf Browns list is ample "evidence
that it's in use".   (if its in use on /your/ 'puter(s) depends ofcourse)

2) I've used those calls succesfully myself.  To me thats certainly
"evidence that it's in use"

Bottom line: /think/ before you reject help.   And for the record: Writing a
good question is /hard/.   Funny fact: A lot of questions answer themselves
in the process of trying to write a good one (experience talking here).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 20:34:36 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

Bottom line: /think/ before you reject help.

Pointing to RBIL is help?


What do you expect from us ? (and do yourself a favour: Do /not/ ask for
full-fledged code.  Not in this newsgroup anyway)

Why not. Maybe someone already has it. Like Jacks's UHDD.SYS




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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src153,

Pointing to RBIL is help?

You are being disingenious there.

Do /not/ ask for full-fledged code.

Why not.

And again.

Hint: Making it look as if you have no clue about in which context something
has been said just makes you look like someone out for an argument.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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src153 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 20:34:36 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

Bottom line: /think/ before you reject help.

Pointing to RBIL is help?


What do you expect from us ? (and do yourself a favour: Do /not/ ask for
full-fledged code.  Not in this newsgroup anyway)

Why not. Maybe someone already has it. Like Jacks's UHDD.SYS


clax.86 is a MODERATED newsgroup, this means that it is eminently possible to be blocked if you abuse other posters.

I am not the moderator, but you could still consider this to be a warning to stay polite.

Terje

--
- <Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"



Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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On 09/06/2019 04:06 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote:
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I am not the moderator, but you could still consider this to be a warning to stay polite.

Terje


What Terje said!

I am tolerant of off-topic, but please do be nice! This topic us bot in danger... yet...

Best,
Frank
[moderator]



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On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 17:13:23 -0400, Frank Kotler wrote:

What Terje said!

I am tolerant of off-topic, but please do be nice! This topic us bot in
danger... yet...

Is Wieser a moderator? Why don't you tell him to stop scolding people.
Why do you let him misbehave?

Ban me if you like. I don't give a hoot about your little clique or its
anal rules. Moderated NGs are deplorable.




Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
From: Frank Kotler
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From: fbkot...@nospicedham.myfairpoint.net (Frank Kotler)
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Subject: Re: int 13h & greater
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On 09/06/2019 06:15 PM, src153 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 17:13:23 -0400, Frank Kotler wrote:

What Terje said!

I am tolerant of off-topic, but please do be nice! This topic us bot in
danger... yet...

Is Wieser a moderator? Why don't you tell him to stop scolding people.

Kinda thought Terje just did...

Why do you let him misbehave?

Ban me if you like.

Nobody gets "banned".

I don't give a hoot about your little clique or its
anal rules. Moderated NGs are deplorable.

See ya...

Best,
Frank




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