On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 3:22:15 PM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:46:33 PM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 5:37:52 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 01:40:00 UTC, Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 8:24:39 AM UTC-7, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > For me this GA144 was a test for Chuck's design system.
> > > > > Brilliant design and independent of commercial CAD software.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who else has achieved this?
> > > > > Design and have manufactured a working multiprocessor and do the related software.
> > > > John Hart did this with the MiniForth processor in 1994 --- and, unlike the GA144,
> > > > the MiniForth had a practical application (the laser-etcher machine) --- also, unlike the GA144,
> > > > the MiniForth was tightly-coupled parallelism rather than loosely-coupled parallelism.
> > > >
> > > > John Hart is gone now --- most likely riding his pro-life hobby-horse at a gallop towards his own death.
> > > > Now we have Tom Hart impersonating John Hart using a fake gmail address --- grossly disrespectful!
> > > > The MiniForth was pretty cool in its day (late 1990s), but that day has passed.
> > > Typical Hugh Aguilar BULLSHIT again.
> > >
> > > He does not have a clue about the subject.
> > > With GA144 we are talking about silicon design - not writing code for an FPGA / CPLD..
> > >
> > > Anybody can use an FPGA as a basis. And have a CPU even.
> > >
> > > I convinced my colleagues in 1997 to write a little CPU for a a Lattice CPLD
> > > - it was a nice running demo at exhibitions.
> > >
> > > The design made it via FH Nuremberg into a student's final work
> > > - and was then manufactured at AMS into silicon.
> > >
> > > So, in this project there were both aspects.
> > Which processor was that?
> >
> > Now, why pick on High? Let him live out past glories and what happened. You filling up the place with negative rubbish. He's been done wrong, you having a go at home is not going make it better.
> Whoa!!! If you think Hugh has been done wrong, you have not been here long. Hugh has done some interesting things, but he has morphed into someone who is barely functional and insists on spending his time posting attacks on anyone and everyone. He doesn't just debate technical issues, he turns them into imagined personal assaults by everyone who disagrees with him. When he is called on his rantings he makes you an enemy for life.

Yes, I'm aware of these sorts of things. But reframe things from his perspective. He is wronged, he has something going, he has a bunch of people with something also going on keeping him going. This just pushes things further along. It's progressed from years ago, when they should have cared and reformed the situation, and it would have been a lot more functional. I've never seen anything like this forum (not that I get around a lot these days). It's close to a minimal level. There is a lot of dysfunction with the advancing decades here, which probably has a lot to do with the physiological type of people attracted to forth programming and the forth 'alternative'. There is a bit of illness related progressive decline with these physiological types, with people contributing not much but wasting time being negative, as they see fit, spiralling around others. It's not obvious to them due to functional decline, as logic unrelated to their internal logic becomes less obvious, as their cognitive function declines. But, at the same time, vaccines can aggravate certain people (time wherever the decline comes after a vaccine. I have a relative who has been emergency hospitalized and nearly died a little time after each vaccine, so it was not obvious it might be aggravating the undying condition, requiring a blood transfusion. But now they are before booster shots, the transfusion is holding). These are just two types of things, that could be at work lately, as I've never seen it go this far. These narrowing viewpoints, also hold, to a lesser degree, in stable businesses of types of people who are stuck in their ways, progressing as the decades go on.

> > Time dims the memory and skills, but he could be designing open misc FPGA (with the licensed excluding certain people from using it), or some other useful thing around here in his spare are time.

However Hugh strikes me as somebody who had higher intellect. There are levels of intellect, where a lower level might not perceive a higher level, as the thinking is beyond their own level and experience. As such, it's a great loss.

> What makes you think he will ever do anything technically useful again? Every time he is challenged to do something he claims it is a plot to set him up for attacks. No, Hugh will never again do anything useful with Forth and certainly nothing useful with FPGAs which he doesn't understand.

I think I might have been referring to he could be at the moment (infer in the context of not being treated poorly in the past). At the moment, everything is up in the air, but that doesn't mean it can't settle down and improve, especially if there is any physical age related health that can be treated. But again, you say according to your technical FPGA knowledge, he doesn't, but according to his ability maybe good, despite not keeping up with things. Knowledge, is knowledge, but you got to have ability, and design abilities, to use it well.

> > There are a lot of people hanging around here doing nothing, who could do something constructive. Work with mindfkex, work on forth os, work on a forth editor or development system, work on base application frame works, services, integration with common hardware or software, such as using common embedded systems and interfaces, the Linux universal driver system,window and Mac driver system. Os boot systems for PC. Somebody has to make the infrastructure for the next generation to pick up and succeed.

> "Somebody has to"??? Why?

Because things are withering away, as talked about.

>What are you doing?

A lot more than others by the look of it. Have I seen any progressive contribution from you (except for the old desire to do a software radio). This is an community architectural thing, "somebody" metaphorically referring to the community body, from which people may come out of to do something. I've talked about architectural, technological and structural improvements, which is the thing in all these things, and hardly anybody has said anything of the like. People may debate a "jot or a tittle" in ANS now, but these architectural things are major reforms to the ship. For example, people complain there is not instruction set and structural performance analysis being done on new misc designs. But, there is probably grants in the EU or the US (even China) to do instructions set performance analysis, so they can go out and apply for it instead of sitting around winging about it. It's not going between until you start a dialogue and then make it better. Frankly, on a small architecture like these, those performance analysis are going be complimented a lot by people with talent, simply sitting down and designing a better/best way to do things. I used to be able to do that, and it gets mind bending, but like exercise/gym work, you get better at it. But, rarely do you have those people. I was trying to work through a humdinger of a change, but unfortunately, as explained the cognitive decline limits what I can do these days. I'm seeking an easier profession, and Hugh's candle making (or was that, candle holder) sounds interesting, but I'm aiming a bit higher. But, what a great fall back profession. :) ("Yes, this candle goes forth, with its green in white swirl and conquers"... Pun intended.)

> > I had planned on making an alternative to Forth. And misc, but got too sick. Now. I can't do what is used to by far. I just went to the kitchen filled the jug and put it in the wrong place, even though I can still debate people. To me, forth is what's inside the jug unit now, and though I can still do architecture, the details are more hidden than before, and my design more linear, but I still remember some of the old stuff. I've gone from an Steve Wozniak to a Steve Jobs in some of that. However, I had previously identified that forth and misc were lacking, and there is still a lot of gain the community could design in. We all getting old, what are we going leave behind. Because, after we go, is forth going die? It needs an open source effort, to make it a mainstream alternative. I am also taking about modelling the best instruction type and flow, and make a simpler forth with libraries, to do big things, in a simpler version than ANS. (This is ironically going in a direction which sounds like a misc spirited forth). The two aims, is to target an ideal forth processor and to target work flow to normal processors (maybe a dynamic switch in compiled code and action depending on what processor it loads in on, transparent to the user and programmer).
> Wow! Your jug analogy went over my head.

It's very simple. The other stuff there was important. Before one could do the detailed technical design "inside the jug", which there is hundreds of years of accumulated technology history in there, if working from scratch from funding different raw materials in ancient history), now it's more murky inside, and you can see and design the jug outside, but you can do less of the insides of the jug. The jug becomes less of a series of technologies and component design, and more of an enclosure that contains such things, you no longer are fully onto. Not that I don't have a lot of left over stuff I could direct, but we normal people, are all approaching a "hello world" level of programming as we decline.

> What are the requirements for an "ideal forth processor"??? What makes you think a Forth processor isn't just any MCU or CPU available today?

They don't have forth instruction sets! The point was to try to find the best forth processor architecture and adopt that as standard, but also the best compilation to normal processors (the mcu CPU being a forth processor, as you said). Such a compile might entail some instruction reordering and programming in such a way that suits both targets from the start. But, let's face it, the real future lays in the best forth instruction set in hardware. Like it or not, a common example that comes up, is how forth fitted in the smallest or lowest energy space, which makes it a very good target among conventional CPU's (compared to next level quantum processing units) and, ironically, for highest performance, as thermal barrier is the limiting factor in current performance density, and lower transistor counts, and more overclockability counts, with smaller memory footprints, and shorter accumulative line lengths in all cases, able to go into simpler dram processes, which offer great performance density, but seeking out a CPU which can fit into their cheap limited layer processes. A lot of the work in the age of custom asic cells for high performance areas, becomes administrative and time switching. The CPU becomes decision maker directing cells and interacting between them and the user/front end. It actual brings up the question, of forth misc processor on mobile and desktop and server memory, with asic cells offering performance acceleration services. This is potentially a big thing on servers and mobile chips, and if there is memory on insulator potential there, even higher local memory performance for any cores. Even if you have to find a Chinese memory factory effort, they would be interested. You keep your tech rights and trade secrets seperate, offer good service, and if they got any business sense, they should respect that, and if you thru don't, you finish up your contracts and search for another partner, which by the time you already have shown advantage on the market, shouldn't be as difficult as before. Seeing a way out of the forest, is what your ceo, and technical staff should do.

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