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Re: Ann: HAC v.0.1 (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

thank you.

Re: Ann: HAC v.0.1 (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Gautier write-only a

Quoting from ./doc/hac.txt (section "Language subset"): "The available Ada language subset supported by HAC is so far, roughly, the "Pascal subset", plus tasking, plus packages, less pointers. From a different perspective, HAC support

Re: Ann: HAC v.0.1 (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 14 Hours ago by: Bill Findlay

You beat me to it by an hour! Ditto.

Re: Ann: HAC v.0.1 (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 15 Hours ago by: Leo Brewin

I just tested this on MacOS Monterey 12.3.1 and it works perfectly out of the box (as expected for Ada code :). Great work Gautier! Cheers, Leo

Re: Ann: HAC v.0.1 (thread)

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Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

which subset of the Ada language is covered?

Re: Aspect location in expression function. (thread)

comp.lang.ada

Posted: 2 Days ago by: J-P. Rosen

What you say is logical if you think of an expression function as a body; however, it is more like a specification (it can appear in a package spec, although it can complete a specification), so the place where the aspect appears makes

Re: Ruby and Ada (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Robin Vowels

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 6:46:08 PM UTC+10, mockturtle wrote:

Re: Ruby and Ada (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Gautier write-only a

BTW: for the small things you describe, you could be tempted by HAC (see the post about HAC a few hours later) :-)...

Ann: HAC v.0.1

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Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Gautier write-only a

HAC (HAC Ada Compiler) is a quick, small, open-source Ada compiler, covering a subset of the Ada language. HAC is itself fully programmed in Ada. Web site: http://hacadacompiler.sf.net/ From there, links to sources and an executable for W

Aspect location in expression function.

comp.lang.ada

Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Blady

Hello, I'm puzzled when I want to changed a function body with aspects to an expression function, for instance: function Length (S : Some_Tagged_Tyoe) return Natural with Pre => S.Valid is begin return S.Length; end; hav

Ruby and Ada

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: mockturtle

As you can guess, my language of choice is Ada, but for small things (often "fast and dirty") or to extract stuff from text files, I use Ruby which I prefer over its direct competitor (much more popular) Python. Then I read this [1] This

Re: Web Assembly community (thread)

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Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: mockturtle

Yes,

Re: CFP: ACM SIGAda HILT 2022 Workshop at ASE '22, October 14, 2022 (thread)

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tucker Taft

Website is: https://conf.researchr.org/home/hilt-2022

CFP: ACM SIGAda HILT 2022 Workshop at ASE '22, October 14, 2022

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Posted: 3 Days 14 Hours ago by: Tucker Taft

HILT-2022 - Supporting a Rigorous Approach to Software Development This is the seventh in the HILT series of conferences and workshops focused on the use of High Integrity Language Technology to address challenging issues in the engineer

ANN: SweetAda 0.10

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Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Gabriele Galeotti

Hi all, I've just released SweetAda 0.10. SweetAda is a lightweight development framework to create Ada systems on a wide range of machines. Please refer to https://www.sweetada.org. Release notes @ https://www.sweetada.org/releas

ANN: GCC 12.1.0

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Posted: 4 Days 22 Hours ago by: Simon Wright

Find GCC 12.1.0 & tools for Intel silicon (will run on M1 silicon under Rosetta) at https://github.com/simonjwright/distributing-gcc/releases/tag/gcc-12.1.0-x86_64 Built on High Sierra with Python 3.8 (because Apple have withdrawn 2.7 in M

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

It is a totally unrealistic scenario. If there exist a way to close a handle from outside then only in the system kernel.

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 6 Days 11 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:t57vgs$4su$1@gioia.aioe.org...

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Yes, all this fully applies to local disks and filesystems. Just look how writing an SSD works. I think you could get better chances with magnetic drums from 60's. (:-))

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

we are talking about files, in a local disk right?

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

A bad idea. First it is an unnecessary overhead, because ultimately the check will be repeated. Secondly it is technically impossible to do for a huge number of reasons: 1. Too complex to do. The modern hardware and software does a l

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

if you do a check before write there is no need to rise and propagate an exception.

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 6 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

That is another design flaw that Finalize overrides rather than extends. Sure, in a typical program you always have a snowball effect caused by an abnormal condition. It is the programmer's duty to sort the things out and the language

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 7 Hours ago by: Niklas Holsti

That might work if the scope that is being left has only one local object that needs finalization. But what if there are several, and the first Finalize propagates an expection? Should the remaining finalizations be skipped? That woul

Re: Web Assembly community (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: John Perry

Are you referring to this? https://github.com/godunko/adawebpack/ On Sunday, May 8, 2022 at 4:43:01 AM UTC-5, mockturtle wrote:

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

ok

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Upon a write error an exception will propagate and Output_File will go out of the scope. The file will be closed and the exception will continue its way. This is a safe behavior. Randy's code is unsafe and requires catching and re-rai

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Doctor Who

Not in the case that your data space is exhausted, in that case Write_Output will fail, because you have no checks of free space before writing.

Web Assembly community

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Posted: 8 Days 6 Hours ago by: mockturtle

If I remember correctly, there is a project to create an Ada-to-WASM (Web Assembly) compiler (via LLVM? I am not sure). Anyway, if such project exists and someone here is involved, I would like to point out to the fairly new Web Assembly b

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 8 Days 7 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

You are talking about a very low level and tightly coupled design. Higher level object is supposed to prevent that so that there would be no need in taking several mutexes or in chains of external entry calls, at least not explicitly.

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:t5619r$10bc$1@gioia.aioe.org... That's a common fallacy. Such objects are safe only if there is exactly one in your system. If there is more than one, various forms of

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Not when other objects are tasks, protected objects, active objects, atomic objects. Surely operations can be implemented by entry calls or protected calls. The language lacks rather obvious means of delegation to ease that for the

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 9 Days 12 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:t52nd4$vj2$1@gioia.aioe.org... Irrelevant. A task can only be safe if it never interacts with no other objects outside of itself. But such a task is close to useless -

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 10 Days 7 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Because the task type is not composable. That is a pretty much trivial case. I am talking about things like implementation of extensible types of active objects. Which in many practical cases renders it unusable. Modern embedded sys

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:t4vsfi$jtb$1@gioia.aioe.org... Task objects look like a cool language feature, but use beyond the simplest patterns will get one into a load of trouble (deadlocks, err

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: R R

I finally went for the constructor function. A discriminant cannot be an array, at least that's what I understand from GNAT's error message. And I want to initialize the limited object with an array of config parameters. Thanks for all t

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Is a task component a hack? Well so long there is no tagged task types aggregation is the only way. Controlled types are hacks, yes, but there is no alternative. You admit that all tagged types (and I would say all types) should be co

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 11 Days 16 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:t4ti4a$s1u$1@gioia.aioe.org... Those cases that you worry are "unsafe" seem to me to only occur because of "hacks and workarounds". There's no good reason to do any of

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 12 Days ago by: AdaMagica

Like any record type, you can initialize a limited record by giving default values for all components: type LRT is limited record Component: Some_Type := Default; end record; You can define an Initialize procedure: type LT is limited

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

Two more ways are allocators and limited aggregates. There is no good way to safely initialize a limited object because Ada lacks proper constructors and because the initialization model is inherently unsafe with regard or exceptions,

Re: Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types (thread)

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Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Jeffrey R.Carter

Just as you can do S : String := "Hello"; you can do Obj : DLT := New_DLT (3, 5);

Discriminants or Constructor Function for Limited Types

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Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: R R

There are two ways (to my knowledge) how to initialize objects of limited types. Either the limited type has some discriminants type DLT (Width, Length : Positive) is tagged limited private; Obj : DLT (3, 5); or I can provide a cons

Ada-Europe Int.Conf. Reliable Software Technologies, AEiC 2022

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Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dirk Craeynest

----------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Participation *** PROGRAM SUMMARY *** 26th Ada-Europe International Conference on

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Fernando Oleo Blanco

Hi everybody! Thank you all for your answers :) It seems that there is some interest to have a meeting from time to time. Other communication channels where this proposal was posted did have other people who liked the idea. For this reas

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Re: Question on in/out parameters (thread)

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Posted: 13 Days 18 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"reinert" <reinkor@gmail.com> wrote in message news:85d12db3-e308-46bc-9be6-20b48ebe4fd2n@googlegroups.com... It depends on the data type; there is a complex series of rules about what is passed in for an out parameter. The basic idea is

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Re: How to associate a simple menu with a window in GtkAda (thread)

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Posted: 14 Days 9 Hours ago by: Stephen Merrony

I agree that it's hard to find readable examples. I have a an Ada GUI program on Github using GtkAda: https://github.com/SMerrony/dashera I'm not holding up as great code, but take a look at Src/gui.adb - starting maybe woth the Create_

Re: How to associate a simple menu with a window in GtkAda (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

1. Always post complete code. 2. Never call Initialize on objects created Gtk_New or equivalent. 3. GtkAda examples contains a sample code for menus.

Re: Question on in/out parameters (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: J-P. Rosen

"in" is read only, so there is a difference. The difference between "in out" and "out" is not for the compiler (in this case), but for the reader: if you declare a parameter as "out", you promise that you won't use the previous value of

How to associate a simple menu with a window in GtkAda

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Posted: 15 Days 10 Hours ago by: andrew...@gmail.com

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Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Luke A. Guest

Oh, I suppose I'll have to attend given I have experience with those.

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Ada Forge

Great ! Thanks for the tip :-) William

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Rod Kay

Agree. Count me in Fer :). If by 'OS system usage' you mean using Ada to write shell-like scripts then you may be interested in aShell. It builds on Florist to allow Ada applets to more easily call and interact with OS comman

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ada Forge

Nice initiative ! Take me into account ;-) Some subjects I’d love to debate with connoisseurs : * UTF8-Unicode-UCS : a lot of libraries are offering strings manipulation.. State of the art ? (Gnat extensions, GnatColl, Matreska, Gno

Re: Question on in/out parameters (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: reinert

Thanks for sorting out my confusion. So there is no difference between "in", "in out" and "out" for Vectors except that the compiler protests if I try to change an "in parameter" in the actual subroutine/function? reinert lørdag 30.

Re: Question on in/out parameters (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 6 Hours ago by: Jeffrey R.Carter

Parameters in Ada are either passed by copy or passed by reference, regardless of parameter mode. The rules are * Scalar types are always passed by copy * Tagged types are always passed by reference * Limited types are always passed by

Question on in/out parameters

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Posted: 16 Days 7 Hours ago by: reinert

Hello, I expected an "out" parameter in a procedure to be like declaring the parameter "from scratch" (with actual initial default value). For my compiler (GNAT Community Edition, May 2021) it seems like the out parameters brings in conten

Re: Trouble building with gnatcoll (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: John Perry

I found the answer, and it's a bit embarrassing, but looking in the gnatcoll examples would have done it: add with "gnatcoll"; to the beginning of the gpr file.

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: Maxim Reznik

I have a bot in Ada for Telegram. It is a bridge between Telegram, Jabber, IRC channel. It also checks telegram newcomers if they are not bot. I can write another one for announcements, but I'm not sure if announcing once a month worth

Trouble building with gnatcoll

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Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: John Perry

Hello I tried to build something with GnatColl from GPS Community 2021 on Fedora 35. The linker failed, saying ld: /home/cantanima/common/Ada/Quoter/obj/gnatcoll-refcount.o: in function `gnatcoll__refcount__sync_bool_compare_and_swap

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 16 Days 21 Hours ago by: Stephen Leake

Sounds interesting. I maintain Emacs Ada mode; this might be a good forum to get less formal feedback than the ada-mode mailing list provides, and to hear what other IDEs are doing for Ada. This sounds like a job for a bot; post the sa

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Stéphane Rivière

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Re: [Ada95] Private non-generic children of generics not allowed (thread)

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Posted: 18 Days 15 Hours ago by: Thomas

isn't it possible to consider that when a child is called from within the generic parent, it must be called from an instantiation of it, and then it's not needed to re-do the instantiation within the generic parent? it could be a rule

Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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ANN: SparForte 2.5

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Posted: 19 Days 2 Hours ago by: Ken Burtch

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Re: Ada Monthly Meeting proposal (thread)

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Ada Monthly Meeting proposal

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Posted: 19 Days 19 Hours ago by: Fernando Oleo Blanco

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Gtk_Event_Box / Gtk_Fixed

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Posted: 22 Days 16 Hours ago by: Thomas

hi :-) it seems that, when i add several widgets that overlap in a Gtk_Fixed, if some of them are Gtk_Event_Box, they are always at the foreground of those that are not (for example Gtk_Button), even when they are added before. (I have

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Re: max line length

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Posted: 24 Days 8 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Stephen Leake" <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org> wrote in message news:86r15qxb83.fsf@stephe-leake.org... The diff program I use can scroll sideways if necessary, and so can every editor I've used since 1985, so this isn't generally an i

Re: max line length (thread)

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I prefer top/bottom diff, partly for this reason. But my monitor can easily display 240 characters across. And I have good glasses. --

Re: max line length (thread)

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Posted: 24 Days 16 Hours ago by: Stephen Leake

120 chars; I assume readers have a big display like mine. --

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Re: [ANN] GCC 12.0.1/Apple silicon (thread)

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Re: max line length (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dmitry A. Kazakov

72. I used to program in FORTRAN on punched cards. (:-)) These days I use 3 split GPS windows side by side. Then I am using the "use" clause, so I do not need a thousand of characters to just write Z := X + Y; (:-)) Refactor the cod

Re: max line length (thread)

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Posted: 26 Days 20 Hours ago by: Jeffrey R.Carter

I use the Preferences menu selection in my editor. But that's probably not what you intended to ask. I set mine to 132 characters. When I started out, source lines were limited to 80 columns because that was the length of punched card

Re: max line length (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 9 Hours ago by: Niklas Holsti

I limit lines to 80 characters, because I very often want to use a side-by-side diff of file versions, which means having a window wider than two line-lengths. Text in a 170-character-wide window is still readable, but wider ones are

Re: use clauses (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 9 Hours ago by: Randy Brukardt

"Thomas" <fantome.forums.tDeContes@free.fr.invalid> wrote in message news:625e324c$0$18369$426a34cc@news.free.fr... No, I was thinking more about typical ADTs (abstract data types), which usually come with most of their operations in a

Re: use clauses (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 12 Hours ago by: Thomas

are you speaking about a case like Ada.Text_IO.Unbounded_IO? i would say that these subprograms are not primitives, since they are not declared in the same package, and i don't see in which case we could get a type visible but not its

max line length

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Posted: 27 Days 17 Hours ago by: Thomas

hi :-) how do you set your max line length? using indentations a lot, i find that 80 is short. but I don't realize how many people I'm going to disturb if I set a greater length, because I don't know all your uses.

Re: Adacore joins with Ferrous Systems to support Rust (thread)

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Posted: 27 Days 23 Hours ago by: Rene

Don't forget the curly brackets.

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Re: Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 9 Hours ago by: Niklas Holsti

He is Tucker Taft, one of the designers and maintainers of the Ada language. An "AI" is an "Ada Issue", an entry in discussions about Ada features and the Ada standard. The AIs are collected in a public, searchable database at http://

Re: Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 10 Hours ago by: Thomas

who is Tucker, and where can i read him, please? :-) i feel that: 1) afaik, non-pool-specific access-to-variable types, which should point on aliased objects, are not dangerous, as long as neither new nor Unchecked_Deallocation are

Re: Unchecked_Deallocation with tagged types (thread)

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Posted: 28 Days 14 Hours ago by: Thomas

i like "the nice wide-spectrum nature of Ada" :-) If I got it right, it is the thickness*, that is, it goes both far in low level and far in high level. * Natacha Porte, https://www.youtube.com/watch?vµlRyBRk0d8&tC0s (during 1:10 - s

Ann: Generic Image Decoder v.10

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Posted: 29 Days 5 Hours ago by: Gautier write-only a

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