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Subject: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: anon
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:34 UTC
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Who would have thought ?

https://apnews.com/828aefab64d4411bac257a07c1af0ecb/AP-Exclusive:-Google-tracks-your-movements,-like-it-or-not



SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Google wants to know where you go so badly that it records your movements even when you explicitly tell it not to.

An Associated Press investigation found that many Google services on Android devices and iPhones store your location data even if you've used a privacy setting that says it will prevent Google from doing so.

Computer-science researchers at Princeton confirmed these findings at the AP's request.

For the most part, Google is upfront about asking permission to use your location information. An app like Google Maps will remind you to allow access to location if you use it for navigating. If you agree to let it record your location over time, Google Maps will display that history for you in a "timeline" that maps out your daily movements.

Storing your minute-by-minute travels carries privacy risks and has been used by police to determine the location of suspects — such as a warrant that police in Raleigh, North Carolina, served on Google last year to find devices near a murder scene. So the company will let you "pause" a setting called Location History.

Google says that will prevent the company from remembering where you've been. Google's support page on the subject states: "You can turn off Location History at any time. With Location History off, the places you go are no longer stored."

That isn't true. Even with Location History paused, some Google apps automatically store time-stamped location data without asking.

For example, Google stores a snapshot of where you are when you merely open its Maps app. Automatic daily weather updates on Android phones pinpoint roughly where you are. And some searches that have nothing to do with location, like "chocolate chip cookies," or "kids science kits," pinpoint your precise latitude and longitude — accurate to the square foot — and save it to your Google account.

The privacy issue affects some two billion users of devices that run Google's Android operating software and hundreds of millions of worldwide iPhone users who rely on Google for maps or search.

Storing location data in violation of a user's preferences is wrong, said Jonathan Mayer, a Princeton computer scientist and former chief technologist for the Federal Communications Commission's enforcement bureau. A researcher from Mayer's lab confirmed the AP's findings on multiple Android devices; the AP conducted its own tests on several iPhones that found the same behavior.

"If you're going to allow users to turn off something called 'Location History,' then all the places where you maintain location history should be turned off," Mayer said. "That seems like a pretty straightforward position to have."

Google says it is being perfectly clear.

"There are a number of different ways that Google may use location to improve people's experience, including: Location History, Web and App Activity, and through device-level Location Services," a Google spokesperson said in a statement to the AP. "We provide clear descriptions of these tools, and robust controls so people can turn them on or off, and delete their histories at any time."

To stop Google from saving these location markers, the company says, users can turn off another setting, one that does not specifically reference location information. Called "Web and App Activity" and enabled by default, that setting stores a variety of information from Google apps and websites to your Google account.

When paused, it will prevent activity on any device from being saved to your account. But leaving "Web & App Activity" on and turning "Location History" off only prevents Google from adding your movements to the "timeline," its visualization of your daily travels. It does not stop Google's collection of other location markers.

You can delete these location markers by hand, but it's a painstaking process since you have to select them individually, unless you want to delete all of your stored activit

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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: AnonUser
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From another article:

"If you want to prevent Google from storing location markers, disabling “Web & App Activity” will do the trick. But it also prevents the company from storing search information, which limits Google Assistant’s effectiveness."

A common method to get people to not disable things. Break something else, intentionally, so they finally give in and allow what they really wanted to disable.

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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
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A common method to get people to not disable things. Break
something else, intentionally, so they finally give in and
allow what they really wanted to disable.

oldie but goldie...it is a bit like this quote from the snatch:
"once he has you in the sack, you will never get out"
many ppl are just to dependent on these "free" services

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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: anon
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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
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if you don't do anything with your phone, it is still tracking you (340 times per day):

https://digitalcontentnext.org/blog/2018/08/21/google-data-collection-research/

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/21/technology/google-data-collection/index.html

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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: anon
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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:43 UTC
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and now everybody:
be a little more evil every day...

https://mobile.twitter.com/lmjabreu/status/1037234756235223040


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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: AnonUser
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Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 19:37 UTC
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anon wrote:

and now everybody:
be a little more evil every day...

https://mobile.twitter.com/lmjabreu/status/1037234756235223040

creepy. i'm guessing as replies note that they opted in at some point maybe not intentionally, but still creepy.

Google: thanks for the pictures of your wife, we rate her a 7. congrats!


Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
From: anon
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 05:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: Now this is surprising: Google tracks you even if you tell it not to
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fits nicely to this thread:

https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2018/09/23/why-im-leaving-chrome/

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