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Subject: Why you must stop using windows
From: anon
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Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:38 UTC
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If you have not done it already, this is the final straw (the famous one, that breaks the camels back):

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With Windows 10, a clean install stays that way for about two minutes, because the second you hit the desktop, the Microsoft Store immediately starts trying to download third-party apps and games. And these apps keep trying to install themselves even after you cancel the downloads.

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lmao. In the past, malware could infect your fresh windows install if you did not patch immediately. Today, windows opens the doors actively even if you try to prevent this.
Thanks Microsoft, for the best argument you could ever give to Linux/BSD advocates.

Full article: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-please-stop-trying-install-third-party-apps-my-clean-windows-10-install

Hey, Microsoft, stop installing third-party apps on clean Windows 10 installs!
Microsoft automatically installs six bloatware apps onto every Windows 10 PC, even after a clean install. This needs to stop.
Zac Bowden
14 Feb 2018

Before Windows 10, a clean install of Windows only included the bare essentials a user would need to get started using their PC. That included software built by Microsoft, such as Mail, Paint, and its web browser, and it never included "bloatware" or "trialware" that one might find on hardware purchased from a third-party OEM that preloaded all kinds of crapware.

The clean install process was simple. With Windows 7, you'd do the install, and once you hit the desktop, that was it. All the programs that were preinstalled were Microsoft-made and were often considered essentials. This changed with Windows 8, with the addition of auto-updating apps such as Travel, News and more. Still, these were acceptable, preinstalled Windows apps and were not really classed as bloatware.

With Windows 10, a clean install stays that way for about two minutes, because the second you hit the desktop, the Microsoft Store immediately starts trying to download third-party apps and games. And these apps keep trying to install themselves even after you cancel the downloads.

Six too many

There are six such apps, which is six too many. These apps are often random, but right now they include things like Candy Crush, Spotify, and Disney Magic Kingdoms. You should not see any of these apps on a fresh install of Windows 10, yet they are there every single time.

There are policies you can set that disable these apps from automatically installing, but that's not the point. On a fresh, untouched, clean install of Windows 10, these apps will download themselves onto your PC. Even if you cancel the installation of these apps before they manage to complete the download, they will retry at a later date, without you even noticing.

The only way I've found that gets rid of them permanently is to let them install initially, without canceling the download, and then uninstall the apps from the Start menu. If you cancel the initial download of the bloatware apps before they complete their first install, the Microsoft Store will just attempt to redownload them later and will keep doing so until that initial install is complete.

This is not a good user experience, Microsoft.

In the past, bloatware issues were usually the fault of third-party OEMs, but with Windows 10, bloatware is just as much Microsoft's fault. It may only be six apps that are installing themselves, but that's more than what Apple automatically installs on Macs.

For comparison, I recently did a clean install of macOS High Sierra on a Mac, and that experience was sublime. Once I hit the desktop, I didn't need to go in and start uninstalling extra bloatware that was automatically trying to install itself. All the apps that show up on the OS are Apple-made and not considered bloatware.
This is a new problem for Windows

This never used to be a problem. A clean install of Windows 7 was exactly that. But with Windows 10, a clean install includes apps from third parties, even if I don't want them. This also happens on the Windows 10 Pro edition, not just Home.

Microsoft uses a couple of the Live Posted on rst


Subject: Re: Why you must stop using windows
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There are better reasons than what you describe but if that is your only bother you can buy Windows from a store for
$300.  I personally have bad experiences with many OSes but Windows tops the list followed by OSX.  Your best choice if
you are not a computer person is Mint (that is what I replace the 2 above for chalenged people).
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Subject: Re: Why you must stop using windows
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yes there are many many reasons to stop using M$, this is just the latest one.

btw, have another 0day (for windows jet engine this time):

https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2018/9/20/zdi-can-6135-a-remote-code-execution-vulnerability-in-the-microsoft-windows-jet-database-engine

and yes, mint is nice for new switchers w/o a lot of experience.

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Subject: Re: Why you must stop using windows
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and yes, mint is nice for new switchers w/o a lot of experience.

I have found mint a tiny bit unstable at times. Maybe a bit too far away from the source (if I understand this right, mint is based on ubuntu, which is based on debian). Posted on def4.i2p


Subject: Re: Why you must stop using windows
From: Anonymous
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Just delete the apps, that you don't want installed on your computer. Of course the producent is gonna install software on it. It is about trusting the producent.

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Subject: Re: Why you must stop using windows
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I deleted EVERY SINGLE BLOATWARE "APP" and de-crapified windows. So i had to waste 5 DAYS debloating it and then a kid came and downloaded crappy games... then my dad installed some proprietary JUNK like adobe reader (i uninstalled all of that CRAP but took another 5 days)

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