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Subject: Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He's Trying To Rule
From: retrobbs2@retrobbs.rocksolidbbs.com (Anonymous)
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 10:56 UTC
Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He's Trying To Rule

"Guess what the best planet is in this solar system?" asked Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos at a recent media event on his Blue Origin space program.

"It's easy to know the answer to that question," he continued. "We've sent robotic probes like this one to all of the planets in our solar system. Now, some of them have been fly-bys, but we've examined them all. Earth is the best planet. It is not close. This one is really good."

Bezos then went on to discuss his plan to ship humans off of the best planet in the solar system and send them to live in floating cylinders in space.

Bezos claimed that the growing human population and growing energy consumption will force us to make a choice between "stasis and rationing" and "dynamism and growth", and claimed that the latter item in his dichotomy is possible only by moving humans off the planet.

"If we're out in the solar system, we can have a trillion humans in the solar system, which means we'd have a thousand Mozarts and a thousand Einsteins," Bezos said. "This would be an incredible civilization. What would this future look like? Where would a trillion humans live? Well it's very interesting, someone named Gerry O'Neill, a physics professor, looked at this question very carefully and he asked a very precise question that nobody had ever asked before, and it was, 'Is a planetary surface the best place for humans to expand into the solar system?' And he and his students set to work on answering that question, and they came to a very surprisingfor themcounterintuitive answer: No."

Bezos went on to describe how the limited surface areas, distance, and gravitational forces of the other planets in our solar system make settling on those planets impractical and cost-prohibitive, while constructing giant space cylinders closer to Earth which can hold a million people is far more practical. These cylinders would spin to replicate Earth's gravitational pull with centrifugal force.

Here are some illustrations Bezos used in his presentation to show us what these "O'Neill colonies" might look like:

"These are really pleasant places to live," Bezos said. "Some of these O'Neill colonies might choose to replicate Earth cities. They might pick historical cities and mimic them in some way. There'd be whole new types of architecture. These are ideal climates. These are short-sleeve environments. This is Maui on its best day, no rain, no storms, no earthquakes."

No rain? No weather? Just big, spinning cylinders floating monotonously in space? A trillion divided by a million is one million, which means that the best idea the richest man in the world can come up with for the future of our species is to fill our solar system with a million of these floating homogenized space malls.

"If we build this vision, these O'Neill colonies, where does it take us? What does it mean for Earth?" Bezos asked. "Earth ends up zoned, residential, and light industry. It'll be a beautiful place to live, it'll be a beautiful place to visit, it'll be a beautiful place to go to college, and to do some light industry. But heavy industry, polluting industry, all the things that are damaging our planet, those will be done off Earth. We get to have both. We get to keep this unique gem of a planet, which is completely irreplaceablethere is no Plan B. We have to save this planet. And we shouldn't give up a future of our grandchildren's grandchildren of dynamism and growth. We can have both."

Now, if you look at the behavior of Jeff Bezos, who exploits his employees and destroys his competitors, and who some experts say is trying to take over the underlying infrastructure of our entire economy, you can feel reasonably confident that this man has no intention of leaving "this unique gem of a planet", nor of having the heirs to his empire leave either. When you see this Pentagon advisory board member and CIA contractor planning to ship humans off the Earth's surface so the planet can thrive, you may be certain that he's talking about other humans. The unworthy ones. The ones who weren't sociopathic enough to climb the capitalist ladder by stepping on the backs of everyone else.

And make no mistake, when Bezos talks about saving the planet for "our grandchildren's grandchildren", he's not just talking about his heirs, he's talking about himself. Bezos has invested large amounts of wealth in biotech aimed at reversing the aging process and cracking the secret of immortality.

This is the sort of guiding wisdom that is controlling the fate of our species, everyone. The world's most ambitious plutocrat envisions a world in which, rather than evolving beyond our destructive tendencies and learning to live in collaboration with each other and our environment, we are simply shipped off into space so that he can stretch out and enjoy our beautiful planet. That's his best idea.

Our plutocratic overlords aren't just sociopaths. They're morons.

Bezos' incredibly shallow vision for humanity reminds me of something Julian Assange said at a 2017 London festival via video link about the way Silicon Valley plutocrats are trying to become immortal by finding a way to upload their brains onto computers.

"I know from our sources deep inside those Silicon Valley institutions, they genuinely believe that they are going to produce artificial intelligences that are so powerful, relatively soon, that people will have their brains digitized, uploaded on these artificial intelligences, and live forever in a simulation, therefore will have eternal life," Assange said. "It's a religion for atheists. They'll have eternal life, and given that you're in a simulation, why not program the simulation to have endless drug and sex orgy parties all around you. It's like the 72 virgins, but it's like the Silicon Valley equivalent."

I mean, damn. First of all, how stupid do you have to be to overlook the fact that science has virtually no understanding of consciousness and doesn't even really know what it is? Even if these idiots find a way to upload their neurological patternings onto some AI's virtual simulation, it's not like they'd be there to experience it. It would just be a bunch of data running in a computer somewhere, mimicking the personality of a dead person and experienced by no one. People who believe that all there is to them is their dopey mental patterns have not spent any time whatsoever exploring what they are, and have no idea what it is to be human. The fact that anyone would think they could become immortal by digitizing their churning, repetitive personality patterns is crazy, and the fact that they'd want to is even crazier.

People who think this way should shut up and learn about life, not rule the world in a plutocratic system where money translates directly to political influence. People who think that humans can be happily unplugged from the ecosystemic context in which they evolved, the ecosystemic context of which they are an inseparable part, and people who think they can become immortal by uploading their wanky personalities onto a computer should shut the fuck up, spend some time alone with themselves, maybe try some psilocybin mushrooms, and learn a bit about what it means to be human. They certainly shouldn't be calling the shots.

Earth is our home. It's what we're made for. The earth went through a lot to give you life. Sparks had to catch, oceans had to freeze, billions of cells had to survive endless disease, all of these amazing things had to happen just right to give you life. You belong here. You are as much a creation of the earth as the air you breathe. You may feel like a singular organism but you're actually as much a singular organism as one of the many billions of organisms that make up your body. You and earth are one. And because you evolved on earth, you are perfectly adapted to earth and it is perfectly adapted to you. It yearns for your breath as you yearn for its breeze on your face.

We absolutely have the ability to transcend our unhealthy tendencies as a species which, when you really look at them, are merely creations of a mind that feels alone and separate and like it is in a constant fight for its life. If we just put down our mental swords for a hot second and learned to channel our creativity into the thriving of our society and our ecosystem instead of into killing and out-competing one another then we will be okay. The way out of this is the way towards health. For example, once women have been given back even the most basic rights of sexual sovereignty such as birth control and access to terminations as they have in most western countries, birth rates fall below replication levels. Women's own internal bodily wisdom makes the problem of overpopulation moot if given half a chance just to make decisions on behalf of her own body.

Another example. People lament the lack of jobs due to AI and automation but we actually desperately need people to do less. We need a whole lot of people doing nothing, not using the roads every morning and evening, not producing widgets that no one needs and creating advertising campaigns to brainwash people into buying them anyway, just to have them end up in the ocean or leaching heavy metals into the earth. Having a whole lot of people doing nothing for more of their week would take the strain off of our health systems as the single biggest factor in disease is stress. Studies show that stress also shrinks your brain and lessens your creativity and innovation too, so all the punitive-minded libertarians out there who are worried that we won't progress as a species if we start sharing resources around to people who aren't doing things that traditionally made money because we'll be too relaxed can chill too. We don't need to crack the whip to get people to make beautiful innovations. Humans are at their best when feeling playful and relaxed. Nearly all the technological advances of the past came from people who had a lot of leisure time due to their privileged status. Releasing

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Subject: Re: Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He's Trying To Rule
From: AnonUser
Newsgroups: rocksolid.shared.offtopic
Organization: RetroBBS
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 00:01 UTC
The description and graphics in the article for the cylinders is straight out of 'Rendezvous with Rama' by Arthur C. Clarke. Pretty much exactly the same idea.


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Subject: Re: Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He's Trying To Rule
From: Retro Guy@example.com (Retro Guy)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.shared.offtopic
Organization: New rslight site
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 23:02 UTC
Anonymous wrote:

Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He's Trying To Rule

"Guess what the best planet is in this solar system?" asked Amazon CEO Jeff
Bezos at a recent media event on his Blue Origin space program.

"It's easy to know the answer to that question," he continued. "We've sent
robotic probes like this one to all of the planets in our solar system.
Now, some of them have been fly-bys, but we've examined them all. Earth is
the best planet. It is not close. This one is really good."

Bezos then went on to discuss his plan to ship humans off of the best
planet in the solar system and send them to live in floating cylinders in
space.

Bezos claimed that the growing human population and growing energy
consumption will force us to make a choice between "stasis and rationing"
and "dynamism and growth", and claimed that the latter item in his
dichotomy is possible only by moving humans off the planet.

"If we're out in the solar system, we can have a trillion humans in the
solar system, which means we'd have a thousand Mozarts and a thousand
Einsteins," Bezos said. "This would be an incredible civilization. What
would this future look like? Where would a trillion humans live? Well it's
very interesting, someone named Gerry O'Neill, a physics professor, looked
at this question very carefully and he asked a very precise question that
nobody had ever asked before, and it was, 'Is a planetary surface the best
place for humans to expand into the solar system?' And he and his students
set to work on answering that question, and they came to a very
surprisingfor themcounterintuitive answer: No."

Bezos went on to describe how the limited surface areas, distance, and
gravitational forces of the other planets in our solar system make settling
on those planets impractical and cost-prohibitive, while constructing giant
space cylinders closer to Earth which can hold a million people is far more
practical. These cylinders would spin to replicate Earth's gravitational
pull with centrifugal force.

Here are some illustrations Bezos used in his presentation to show us what
these "O'Neill colonies" might look like:

"These are really pleasant places to live," Bezos said. "Some of these
O'Neill colonies might choose to replicate Earth cities. They might pick
historical cities and mimic them in some way. There'd be whole new types of
architecture. These are ideal climates. These are short-sleeve
environments. This is Maui on its best day, no rain, no storms, no
earthquakes."

No rain? No weather? Just big, spinning cylinders floating monotonously in
space? A trillion divided by a million is one million, which means that the
best idea the richest man in the world can come up with for the future of
our species is to fill our solar system with a million of these floating
homogenized space malls.

"If we build this vision, these O'Neill colonies, where does it take us?
What does it mean for Earth?" Bezos asked. "Earth ends up zoned,
residential, and light industry. It'll be a beautiful place to live, it'll
be a beautiful place to visit, it'll be a beautiful place to go to college,
and to do some light industry. But heavy industry, polluting industry, all
the things that are damaging our planet, those will be done off Earth. We
get to have both. We get to keep this unique gem of a planet, which is
completely irreplaceablethere is no Plan B. We have to save this planet.
And we shouldn't give up a future of our grandchildren's grandchildren of
dynamism and growth. We can have both."

Now, if you look at the behavior of Jeff Bezos, who exploits his employees
and destroys his competitors, and who some experts say is trying to take
over the underlying infrastructure of our entire economy, you can feel
reasonably confident that this man has no intention of leaving "this unique
gem of a planet", nor of having the heirs to his empire leave either. When
you see this Pentagon advisory board member and CIA contractor planning to
ship humans off the Earth's surface so the planet can thrive, you may be
certain that he's talking about other humans. The unworthy ones. The ones
who weren't sociopathic enough to climb the capitalist ladder by stepping
on the backs of everyone else.

And make no mistake, when Bezos talks about saving the planet for "our
grandchildren's grandchildren", he's not just talking about his heirs, he's
talking about himself. Bezos has invested large amounts of wealth in
biotech aimed at reversing the aging process and cracking the secret of
immortality.

This is the sort of guiding wisdom that is controlling the fate of our
species, everyone. The world's most ambitious plutocrat envisions a world
in which, rather than evolving beyond our destructive tendencies and
learning to live in collaboration with each other and our environment, we
are simply shipped off into space so that he can stretch out and enjoy our
beautiful planet. That's his best idea.

Our plutocratic overlords aren't just sociopaths. They're morons.

Bezos' incredibly shallow vision for humanity reminds me of something
Julian Assange said at a 2017 London festival via video link about the way
Silicon Valley plutocrats are trying to become immortal by finding a way to
upload their brains onto computers.

"I know from our sources deep inside those Silicon Valley institutions,
they genuinely believe that they are going to produce artificial
intelligences that are so powerful, relatively soon, that people will have
their brains digitized, uploaded on these artificial intelligences, and
live forever in a simulation, therefore will have eternal life," Assange
said. "It's a religion for atheists. They'll have eternal life, and given
that you're in a simulation, why not program the simulation to have endless
drug and sex orgy parties all around you. It's like the 72 virgins, but
it's like the Silicon Valley equivalent."

I mean, damn. First of all, how stupid do you have to be to overlook the
fact that science has virtually no understanding of consciousness and
doesn't even really know what it is? Even if these idiots find a way to
upload their neurological patternings onto some AI's virtual simulation,
it's not like they'd be there to experience it. It would just be a bunch of
data running in a computer somewhere, mimicking the personality of a dead
person and experienced by no one. People who believe that all there is to
them is their dopey mental patterns have not spent any time whatsoever
exploring what they are, and have no idea what it is to be human. The fact
that anyone would think they could become immortal by digitizing their
churning, repetitive personality patterns is crazy, and the fact that
they'd want to is even crazier.

People who think this way should shut up and learn about life, not rule the
world in a plutocratic system where money translates directly to political
influence. People who think that humans can be happily unplugged from the
ecosystemic context in which they evolved, the ecosystemic context of which
they are an inseparable part, and people who think they can become immortal
by uploading their wanky personalities onto a computer should shut the fuck
up, spend some time alone with themselves, maybe try some psilocybin
mushrooms, and learn a bit about what it means to be human. They certainly
shouldn't be calling the shots.

Earth is our home. It's what we're made for. The earth went through a lot
to give you life. Sparks had to catch, oceans had to freeze, billions of
cells had to survive endless disease, all of these amazing things had to
happen just right to give you life. You belong here. You are as much a
creation of the earth as the air you breathe. You may feel like a singular
organism but you're actually as much a singular organism as one of the many
billions of organisms that make up your body. You and earth are one. And
because you evolved on earth, you are perfectly adapted to earth and it is
perfectly adapted to you. It yearns for your breath as you yearn for its
breeze on your face.

We absolutely have the ability to transcend our unhealthy tendencies as a
species which, when you really look at them, are merely creations of a mind
that feels alone and separate and like it is in a constant fight for its
life. If we just put down our mental swords for a hot second and learned to
channel our creativity into the thriving of our society and our ecosystem
instead of into killing and out-competing one another then we will be okay.
The way out of this is the way towards health. For example, once women have
been given back even the most basic rights of sexual sovereignty such as
birth control and access to terminations as they have in most western
countries, birth rates fall below replication levels. Women's own internal
bodily wisdom makes the problem of overpopulation moot if given half a
chance just to make decisions on behalf of her own body.

Another example. People lament the lack of jobs due to AI and automation
but we actually desperately need people to do less. We need a whole lot of
people doing nothing, not using the roads every morning and evening, not
producing widgets that no one needs and creating advertising campaigns to
brainwash people into buying them anyway, just to have them end up in the
ocean or leaching heavy metals into the earth. Having a whole lot of people
doing nothing for more of their week would take the strain off of our

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Subject: Re: Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He?s Trying To Rule
From: guest@retrobbs.rocksolidbbs.com (Guest)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.shared.offtopic
Organization: Dancing elephants
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 21:12 UTC
This is all crap.  The guy is an outsourcer.  He re-did the Sears (Neckerman in Germany) catalogs with products from China.  In the US he got a deal for the Post Office and Government Cloud Services (hackers still outsourced).  I stay away from this kind of shit as much as I can with the exceptions of Whole Foods.
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Subject: Re: Bezos Reveals His Ugly Vision For The World He?s Trying To Rule
From: anon@anon.com (anon)
Newsgroups: rocksolid.shared.offtopic
Organization: def5
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 00:39 UTC

This is all crap.
+1
anyone telling me that humanity can find a happy new home in space just wants to distract you from the reality on earth.

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