I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
race commentary etc so I must have missed something.

But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
countback for positions etc.

Has that changed?

It certainly produced an exciting two laps unlike finishing under safety car or just calling it.

On 7/06/2021 9:46 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
> countback for positions etc.
>
> Has that changed?
>

Why restart ? Why not ?

geoff

On 6/6/2021 5:46 PM, Matt Larkin wrote:
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had
> completed that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some
> sort of lap countback for positions etc.

Section 42 of the F1 sporting regs makes it clear that the race will be
restarted if at all possible and with as little delay as possible. No
mention of a minimum number of laps remaining. Shortened race with
countback applies only if the race "cannot be resumed."

> Has that changed?

Not since 2006. Prior to that a race that had reached 75% distance was
not restarted.

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On 7/06/2021 9:46 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
> countback for positions etc.
>
> Has that changed?

IIRC that only applies if the race isn't to be restarted (due to weather conditions, low light
conditions or the 2 hour race time limit among other reasons).
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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On 06/06/2021 22:46, Matt Larkin wrote:
> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
> countback for positions etc.
>
> Has that changed?
>

Red Bull request to the racing director? They said there was no
indication of tyre failure beforehand, same with Stroll. So get everyone
in to do a tyre change.

Was much more entertaining than finishing under a safety car.

Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote:
> On 06/06/2021 22:46, Matt Larkin wrote:
>> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
>> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>>
>> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
>> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
>> countback for positions etc.
>>
>> Has that changed?
>
> Red Bull request to the racing director? They said there was no
> indication of tyre failure beforehand, same with Stroll. So get everyone
> in to do a tyre change.
>
> Was much more entertaining than finishing under a safety car.

I think this is a key reason.

While there was no reason not to restart - light was fine, time was
fine, lots of teams willing and able to restart - it would have looked
dodgy that Red Bull initiated the call to red flag the race rather than
use a full safety car. Clearly they were worried about their second car
blowing out, though I'm sure they'd say they were worried about the
whole field. If they then benefited from that call too - because of
countback - it would have looked too self-serving.

As it was - particularly with Hamilton's mistake - it was an
entertaining end. Just a shame it wasn't a few laps more.

Il 06/06/2021 23:46, Matt Larkin ha scritto:
> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
> countback for positions etc.
>
> Has that changed?
>
Because MASI knows it has to decide so that LH can win, always.
A conclusion under SC would have frozen the order of arrival with Perez
winning.
But this time it went really bad.
;-)
S

On 6/7/2021 3:16 AM, Mark wrote:
> Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote:
>> On 06/06/2021 22:46, Matt Larkin wrote:
>>> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
>>> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>>>
>>> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
>>> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
>>> countback for positions etc.
>>>
>>> Has that changed?
>>
>> Red Bull request to the racing director? They said there was no
>> indication of tyre failure beforehand, same with Stroll. So get everyone
>> in to do a tyre change.
>>
>> Was much more entertaining than finishing under a safety car.
>
> I think this is a key reason.
>
> While there was no reason not to restart - light was fine, time was
> fine, lots of teams willing and able to restart - it would have looked
> dodgy that Red Bull initiated the call to red flag the race rather than
> use a full safety car. Clearly they were worried about their second car
> blowing out, though I'm sure they'd say they were worried about the
> whole field. If they then benefited from that call too - because of
> countback - it would have looked too self-serving.
>
> As it was - particularly with Hamilton's mistake - it was an
> entertaining end. Just a shame it wasn't a few laps more.
>

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a36641502/blame-the-americans-for-pivotal-standing-restart-in-f1-azerbaijan-grand-prix/

On 8/06/2021 11:27 am, leonard hofstatder wrote:
> On 6/7/2021 3:16 AM, Mark wrote:
>> Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote:
>>> On 06/06/2021 22:46, Matt Larkin wrote:
>>>> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
>>>> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>>>>
>>>> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
>>>> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
>>>> countback for positions etc.
>>>>
>>>> Has that changed?
>>>
>>> Red Bull request to the racing director? They said there was no
>>> indication of tyre failure beforehand, same with Stroll. So get everyone
>>> in to do a tyre change.
>>>
>>> Was much more entertaining than finishing under a safety car.
>>
>> I think this is a key reason.
>>
>> While there was no reason not to restart - light was fine, time was
>> fine, lots of teams willing and able to restart - it would have looked
>> dodgy that Red Bull initiated the call to red flag the race rather than
>> use a full safety car. Clearly they were worried about their second car
>> blowing out, though I'm sure they'd say they were worried about the
>> whole field. If they then benefited from that call too - because of
>> countback - it would have looked too self-serving.
>>
>> As it was - particularly with Hamilton's mistake - it was an
>> entertaining end. Just a shame it wasn't a few laps more.
>>
>
>
> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a36641502/blame-the-americans-for-pivotal-standing-restart-in-f1-azerbaijan-grand-prix/

Yep. I remember when Liberty changed the red flag re-start from a safety car start to a standing start.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
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On 2021-06-07 5:37 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 8/06/2021 11:27 am, leonard hofstatder wrote:
>> On 6/7/2021 3:16 AM, Mark wrote:
>>> Dex <vaidam@nospam.today> wrote:
>>>> On 06/06/2021 22:46, Matt Larkin wrote:
>>>>> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
>>>>> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
>>>>> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of
>>>>> lap
>>>>> countback for positions etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has that changed?
>>>>
>>>> Red Bull request to the racing director? They said there was no
>>>> indication of tyre failure beforehand, same with Stroll. So get
>>>> everyone
>>>> in to do a tyre change.
>>>>
>>>> Was much more entertaining than finishing under a safety car.
>>>
>>> I think this is a key reason.
>>>
>>> While there was no reason not to restart - light was fine, time was
>>> fine, lots of teams willing and able to restart - it would have looked
>>> dodgy that Red Bull initiated the call to red flag the race rather than
>>> use a full safety car. Clearly they were worried about their second car
>>> blowing out, though I'm sure they'd say they were worried about the
>>> whole field. If they then benefited from that call too - because of
>>> countback - it would have looked too self-serving.
>>>
>>> As it was - particularly with Hamilton's mistake - it was an
>>> entertaining end. Just a shame it wasn't a few laps more.
>>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a36641502/blame-the-americans-for-pivotal-standing-restart-in-f1-azerbaijan-grand-prix/
>
>
> Yep. I remember when Liberty changed the red flag re-start from a safety
> car start to a standing start.

Liberty did NOT do that.

Certainly, they could influence the FIA, but Liberty Media does NOT make
the rules.

On 6/7/2021 12:46 AM, Matt Larkin wrote:
> I only watched the highlights and didn't hang around to watch post
> race commentary etc so I must have missed something.
>
> But I thought when a certain percentage of race distance had completed
> that a red flag brought about the end of the race with some sort of lap
> countback for positions etc.
>
> Has that changed?
>

Only way for Verstappen to maybe nab points...

i think the autoweek article is correct - just more imported nascar type gimmickry.