Not a good day for them at Paul Ricard. Could that be anything to do with
the new tyre checks?

--
Sir Tim

On 21/06/2021 4:41 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> Not a good day for them at Paul Ricard. Could that be anything to do with
> the new tyre checks?

I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.

Russell in his Williams was 4 places ahead of Leclerc (who pitted twice) and wasn't far behind
Sainz on the same pit strategy.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
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On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>

Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.

FWIW
DLM

Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>
>
> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>
> FWIW
> DLM
>
All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
S

On 2021-06-21 7:10 a.m., Slang wrote:
> Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than
>>> that this year Ferrari's
>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>
>>
>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>>
>> FWIW
>> DLM
>>
> All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
> S

Correct.

On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 15:11:19 UTC+1, Slang wrote:
> Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
> > On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
> >
> >> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
> >> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
> >>
> >
> > Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
> >
> > FWIW
> > DLM
> >
> All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
> S
I think the bit Mercedes were keen to see addressed was not on their car
nor on the McLaren (and one other team if memory serves).

So yes, they all have some bendy wings to a degree, but some had been engineered
in a specific way this year that the new load test was intended to address
specifically.

On 2021-06-21 8:30 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 15:11:19 UTC+1, Slang wrote:
>> Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
>>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>>>
>>> FWIW
>>> DLM
>>>
>> All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
>> S
> I think the bit Mercedes were keen to see addressed was not on their car
> nor on the McLaren (and one other team if memory serves).
>
> So yes, they all have some bendy wings to a degree, but some had been engineered
> in a specific way this year that the new load test was intended to address
> specifically.

All the wings...

In fact, the entire cars.

....of all the teams are engineered to take advantage of every limit the
rules allow.

On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 16:47:12 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-21 8:30 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
> > On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 15:11:19 UTC+1, Slang wrote:
> >> Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
> >>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
> >>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
> >>>
> >>> FWIW
> >>> DLM
> >>>
> >> All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
> >> S
> > I think the bit Mercedes were keen to see addressed was not on their car
> > nor on the McLaren (and one other team if memory serves).
> >
> > So yes, they all have some bendy wings to a degree, but some had been engineered
> > in a specific way this year that the new load test was intended to address
> > specifically.
> All the wings...
>
> In fact, the entire cars.
>
> ...of all the teams are engineered to take advantage of every limit the
> rules allow.
Yes, I don't disagree with that.

But the FIA decided that a particular direction of movement had been over-
exploited or engineered into a number of cars in a way which they thought did
not fit with the rules, but wasn't detected by the existing load tests.

Rightly or wrongly.

If the teams weren't engineering everything to maximise performance within the
limit of the rules they'd be doing something wrong!!

On 2021-06-21 8:57 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 16:47:12 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-21 8:30 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
>>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 15:11:19 UTC+1, Slang wrote:
>>>> Il 21/06/2021 15:01, D Munz ha scritto:
>>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
>>>>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too? I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW
>>>>> DLM
>>>>>
>>>> All (top teams), more or less, have bending wings.
>>>> S
>>> I think the bit Mercedes were keen to see addressed was not on their car
>>> nor on the McLaren (and one other team if memory serves).
>>>
>>> So yes, they all have some bendy wings to a degree, but some had been engineered
>>> in a specific way this year that the new load test was intended to address
>>> specifically.
>> All the wings...
>>
>> In fact, the entire cars.
>>
>> ...of all the teams are engineered to take advantage of every limit the
>> rules allow.
> Yes, I don't disagree with that.

I realize that...

....but others might interpret what you said as if this was something
that was confined to a few teams, when in fact, every team is trying
their best to do precisely the same thing.

>
> But the FIA decided that a particular direction of movement had been over-
> exploited or engineered into a number of cars in a way which they thought did
> not fit with the rules, but wasn't detected by the existing load tests.
>
> Rightly or wrongly.
>
> If the teams weren't engineering everything to maximise performance within the
> limit of the rules they'd be doing something wrong!!
>

On 22/06/2021 1:01 am, D Munz wrote:
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>
>
> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too?

Yes.

> I thought that was just the Red Bulls.

No it was over half of the field including Ferrari, Haas and of Course Alpha Tauri. Red Bull's
version was more obvious / extreme though, partly due to the airtime they were getting.

Ferrari's was almost as extreme - and needed as their 2021 car doesn't do well on the faster parts
of tracks without it.
--
Shaun.

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in the DSM"
David Melville

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On 2021-06-21 5:00 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 22/06/2021 1:01 am, D Munz wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>
>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than
>>> that this year Ferrari's
>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>
>>
>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too?
>
> Yes.
>
>> I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>
> No it was over half of the field including Ferrari, Haas and of Course
> Alpha Tauri. Red Bull's version was more obvious / extreme though,
> partly due to the airtime they were getting.
>
> Ferrari's was almost as extreme - and needed as their 2021 car doesn't
> do well on the faster parts of tracks without it.

It wasn't "half the field".

It was every single car out there.

The only difference is how far some teams went.

On Tuesday, 22 June 2021 at 01:00:52 UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 22/06/2021 1:01 am, D Munz wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
> >
> >> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
> >> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
> >>
> >
> > Did Ferrari have bendy wings too?
> Yes.
> > I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
> No it was over half of the field including Ferrari, Haas and of Course Alpha Tauri. Red Bull's
> version was more obvious / extreme though, partly due to the airtime they were getting.
>
> Ferrari's was almost as extreme - and needed as their 2021 car doesn't do well on the faster parts
> of tracks without it.
> --
> Shaun.
>
> "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
> in the DSM"
> David Melville
>
> This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
Are there any videos / snaps of the actual engineering which was in place for the key
teams in this clarification?

On 22/06/2021 11:05 pm, Matt Larkin wrote:
> On Tuesday, 22 June 2021 at 01:00:52 UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> On 22/06/2021 1:01 am, D Munz wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than that this year Ferrari's
>>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too?
>> Yes.
>>> I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>> No it was over half of the field including Ferrari, Haas and of Course Alpha Tauri. Red Bull's
>> version was more obvious / extreme though, partly due to the airtime they were getting.
>>
>> Ferrari's was almost as extreme - and needed as their 2021 car doesn't do well on the faster parts
>> of tracks without it.
>>
> Are there any videos / snaps of the actual engineering which was in place for the key
> teams in this clarification?

Not that I know of - though I stopped watching all of Sky's coverage of practice, pre-qually and
pre-race etc. a while back. While there was sometimes good info in it (especially about this kind
of thing) there was also a lot of biased opinion.

The FIA said they were going to require teams to have 'dots' on their rear wings (perhaps only in
practice sessions?) that were visible from the rear-facing camera and would serve as a reference
against the shark's fin for wing flexing. They were also bringing in more strenuous static tests
(but only if the visual evidence showed it was required?).

There's probably a technical directive out there somewhere. I'm happy enough knowing that it's
being clamped down on and that certain teams aren't stretching the rules *too much*.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville

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On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:24:21 AM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

> I stopped watching all of Sky's coverage of practice, pre-qually and
> pre-race etc.

oh fuck off
you pirating piece of shit

On 2021-06-22 4:24 a.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
> On 22/06/2021 11:05 pm, Matt Larkin wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 22 June 2021 at 01:00:52 UTC+1, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> On 22/06/2021 1:01 am, D Munz wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:15:26 PM UTC-5, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think a combination of tyre checks and no bendy wings. Other than
>>>>> that this year Ferrari's
>>>>> strength seems to be in the slow stuff and low speed traction.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did Ferrari have bendy wings too?
>>> Yes.
>>>> I thought that was just the Red Bulls.
>>> No it was over half of the field including Ferrari, Haas and of
>>> Course Alpha Tauri. Red Bull's
>>> version was more obvious / extreme though, partly due to the airtime
>>> they were getting.
>>>
>>> Ferrari's was almost as extreme - and needed as their 2021 car
>>> doesn't do well on the faster parts
>>> of tracks without it.
>>>
>> Are there any videos / snaps of the actual engineering which was in
>> place for the key
>> teams in this clarification?
>
> Not that I know of - though I stopped watching all of Sky's coverage of
> practice, pre-qually and pre-race etc. a while back. While there was
> sometimes good info in it (especially about this kind of thing) there
> was also a lot of biased opinion.
>
> The FIA said they were going to require teams to have 'dots' on their
> rear wings (perhaps only in practice sessions?) that were visible from
> the rear-facing camera and would serve as a reference against the
> shark's fin for wing flexing. They were also bringing in more strenuous
> static tests (but only if the visual evidence showed it was required?).
>
> There's probably a technical directive out there somewhere. I'm happy
> enough knowing that it's being clamped down on and that certain teams
> aren't stretching the rules *too much*.

Why does that make you happy?

Why should you care?