Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.

My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.

On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
<gregkaney53@gmail.com> wrote:

>Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
>
>My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.

A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
still sitting there.

On Thu, 06 May 2021 23:21:58 -0400, *ernie
<alreadydeleted9@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
><gregkaney53@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
>>
>>My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
>
>
>A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
>a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
>draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
>still sitting there.

I understand he has a knee issue that scared some teams away. But he
has been playing with it for years.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:49:14 AM UTC-4, TomB...@agent.com wrote:
> On Thu, 06 May 2021 23:21:58 -0400, *ernie
> <already...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> ><gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> >>
> >>My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> >
> >
> >A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> >a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> >draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> >still sitting there.
> I understand he has a knee issue that scared some teams away. But he
> has been playing with it for years.

Thats exactly it Tom, its been called an "Arthritic knee" that scared a lot of teams but not the Giants.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:22:01 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> <gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> >
> >My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> still sitting there.

I'm a true believer that i'd rather have several good pass rushers then just one star guy. Why? so you can't just double the star guy. Same can be said about WR, just one aint enough.....and in a different way same can be said about CB's.....if you have just one teams will just avoid throwing at him, you have to remove the weak link and hopefully we have with Jackson....plus Williams can be considered our star now, he is being payed like one, who cares if he comes from the edge or the middle.....he is a hybrid who can man handle olineman.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:22:01 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> > <gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated.....the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> > >
> > >My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> > A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> > a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> > draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> > still sitting there.
> I'm a true believer that i'd rather have several good pass rushers then just one star guy. Why? so you can't just double the star guy. Same can be said about WR, just one aint enough.....and in a different way same can be said about CB's.....if you have just one teams will just avoid throwing at him, you have to remove the weak link and hopefully we have with Jackson....plus Williams can be considered our star now, he is being payed like one, who cares if he comes from the edge or the middle.....he is a hybrid who can man handle olineman.

Agreed, who cares where the pressure comes from as long as it comes. Like I said, they are already a good D but if you can add one elite guy to that unit, they become dominant. Let the opposition key on that one guy; the rest of the unit has shown that they can step up.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:22:01 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> > > <gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated......the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> > > >
> > > >My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> > > A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> > > a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> > > draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> > > still sitting there.
> > I'm a true believer that i'd rather have several good pass rushers then just one star guy. Why? so you can't just double the star guy. Same can be said about WR, just one aint enough.....and in a different way same can be said about CB's.....if you have just one teams will just avoid throwing at him, you have to remove the weak link and hopefully we have with Jackson.....plus Williams can be considered our star now, he is being payed like one, who cares if he comes from the edge or the middle.....he is a hybrid who can man handle olineman.
> Agreed, who cares where the pressure comes from as long as it comes. Like I said, they are already a good D but if you can add one elite guy to that unit, they become dominant. Let the opposition key on that one guy; the rest of the unit has shown that they can step up.

Remember we are still young, people concentrate on who we drafted but what about young guys who jury is still out? Its not just DJ. Carter. Xman. Big dex. Took 5 years for Williams to break thru....good call by DG even tho we all laughed at him.....I liked Williams even if he never blossomed aint like we gave up a Kings Ransom, just thought it was bizarre how DG went about it. It was like he was a rental for a good team trade like you see in MLB with impending FA's.....but we sucked at the time!!!

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:38:55 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:22:01 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> > > > <gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated......the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> > > > >
> > > > >My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> > > > A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> > > > a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> > > > draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> > > > still sitting there.
> > > I'm a true believer that i'd rather have several good pass rushers then just one star guy. Why? so you can't just double the star guy. Same can be said about WR, just one aint enough.....and in a different way same can be said about CB's.....if you have just one teams will just avoid throwing at him, you have to remove the weak link and hopefully we have with Jackson.....plus Williams can be considered our star now, he is being payed like one, who cares if he comes from the edge or the middle.....he is a hybrid who can man handle olineman.
> > Agreed, who cares where the pressure comes from as long as it comes. Like I said, they are already a good D but if you can add one elite guy to that unit, they become dominant. Let the opposition key on that one guy; the rest of the unit has shown that they can step up.
> Remember we are still young, people concentrate on who we drafted but what about young guys who jury is still out? Its not just DJ. Carter. Xman. Big dex. Took 5 years for Williams to break thru....good call by DG even tho we all laughed at him.....I liked Williams even if he never blossomed aint like we gave up a Kings Ransom, just thought it was bizarre how DG went about it. It was like he was a rental for a good team trade like you see in MLB with impending FA's.....but we sucked at the time!!!
Just think about it for a minute....i believe it was a #3 and a #5 we traded for Williams? To keep with the baseball analogy thats like trading a "C" level minor league prospect (#3) and just a throw in prospect (#5) for an allstar, a steal if there ever was one since we signed him now, and even if Williams just stayed at his "semi-bust" level thats STILL a good trade, as turned out it was a GREAT trade. Can't bitch about how much it cost, it was excellent business by Williams for not signing til he was all-Pro (I think the term pro bowler is a joke now, after all Engram is one!).

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 12:59:55 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:38:55 PM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:58:38 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-4, iommiRULES wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:22:01 PM UTC-4, *ernie wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 6 May 2021 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT), iommiRULES
> > > > > <gregk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Frankly i think the Giants need for a pass rusher was over rated......the pass rush by committee, lead by the head of the committee Williams was TWELFTH. And thats with the 2 guys, Carter and Xman, who were supposed to be the best edge rushers on the team, out most the year, but scheduled to come back next year. Dont get me wrong im not bemoaning the fact they got 2 more potential guys in the draft, including Osi's brother who some say may be a steal, because you cant have to many in this age of rotating fresh defensive guys in. Its not all just for depth as it once was not long ago, these guys will get important first team snaps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My point is just that it was never as BAD as some had us believe, Especially when you consider what Graham had to work with after Golden was traded and the 2 starters went down, he had street LB's making plays. So wouldnt surprise me at all, as long as Williams keeps up his all pro play and earns his hefty paycheck.... that the Giants will be once again become a feared pass rushing D.
> > > > > A dominant edge rush on the D turns them into an elite unit, not just
> > > > > a good one (which they are now). When a player drops to 50 in the
> > > > > draft, who had been predicted as a first rounder, I wonder why he was
> > > > > still sitting there.
> > > > I'm a true believer that i'd rather have several good pass rushers then just one star guy. Why? so you can't just double the star guy. Same can be said about WR, just one aint enough.....and in a different way same can be said about CB's.....if you have just one teams will just avoid throwing at him, you have to remove the weak link and hopefully we have with Jackson....plus Williams can be considered our star now, he is being payed like one, who cares if he comes from the edge or the middle.....he is a hybrid who can man handle olineman.
> > > Agreed, who cares where the pressure comes from as long as it comes. Like I said, they are already a good D but if you can add one elite guy to that unit, they become dominant. Let the opposition key on that one guy; the rest of the unit has shown that they can step up.
> > Remember we are still young, people concentrate on who we drafted but what about young guys who jury is still out? Its not just DJ. Carter. Xman. Big dex. Took 5 years for Williams to break thru....good call by DG even tho we all laughed at him.....I liked Williams even if he never blossomed aint like we gave up a Kings Ransom, just thought it was bizarre how DG went about it. It was like he was a rental for a good team trade like you see in MLB with impending FA's.....but we sucked at the time!!!
> Just think about it for a minute....i believe it was a #3 and a #5 we traded for Williams? To keep with the baseball analogy thats like trading a "C" level minor league prospect (#3) and just a throw in prospect (#5) for an allstar, a steal if there ever was one since we signed him now, and even if Williams just stayed at his "semi-bust" level thats STILL a good trade, as turned out it was a GREAT trade. Can't bitch about how much it cost, it was excellent business by Williams for not signing til he was all-Pro (I think the term pro bowler is a joke now, after all Engram is one!).

And i just checked , somehow Williams didnt even make second team All-Pro......i think lot had do with Giants play a 3-4 and DE's in 3-4 are kinda like hybrid DT-DE, and also the Giants as a team havent got much ink or national talking head time last 4 years.