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 by: milivella - Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:42 UTC

GK
RB
CB/SW [name at least two]
LB
DM
CM
RW/RM
AM/SS
LW/LM
CF

Name, for each position, the player or players who you are most
confident that, provided they are healthy, will be the best in the world
at their position by January 1 *OF NEXT YEAR*.

You can only vote a player under his main position according to
www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten
highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on
Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
point to each in any case.

A week to vote.

Shortlist
=========

GK
Alisson
Diogo Costa
Courtois
Donnarumma
Ederson
Maignan
Oblak
Ramsdale
Robert Sanchez
ter Stegen

RB
Alexander-Arnold
Cancelo
Calabria
Castagne
Dalot
Di Lorenzo
Emerson Royal
Foyth
Frimpong
Hakimi
Justin
Livramento
Mazraoui
Reece James
Pavard
Porro
Tomiyasu
Walker-Peters

CB/SW [name at least two]
Alaba
Araujo
Bastoni
Dias
van Dijk
Fofana
Gvardiol
Lucas Hernandez
Kounde
de Ligt
Marquinhos
Lisandro Martinez
Militao
Romero
Saliba
Skriniar
Timber
Pau Torres
Tomori
Upamecano
White

LB
Chilwell
Cucurella
Davies
Gaya
Theo Hernandez
Mendes
Ferland Mendy
Robertson
Tierney
Zinchenko

DM
Bennacer
Casemiro
Guimaraes
Fabinho
Kimmich
Ndidi
Ruben Neves
Phillips
Rice
Rodri
Soucek
Tchouameni
Tonali
Zubimendi

CM
Barella
Bellingham
Camavinga
Enzo Fernandez
Foden
Gavi
Goretzka
Frenkie de Jong
Merino
Milinkovic-Savic
Pedri
Valverde
Verratti

RW/RM
Antony
Chiesa
Coman
Dembele
Gnabry
Kulusevski
Messi
Raphinha
Rodrygo
Saka
Salah

AM/SS
De Bruyne
Bruno Fernandes
Havertz
Maddison
Mount
Musiala
Nkunku
Odegaard
Bernardo Silva
Wirtz

LW/LM
Gakpo
Grealish
Kvaratskhelia
Luis Diaz
Leao
Mane
Martinelli
Neymar
Oyarzabal
Sancho
Sane
Son
Sterling
Vinicius Junior

CF
Gabriel Jesus
Haaland
Kane
Lukaku
Lautaro Martinez
Darwin Nunez
Mbappe
Osimhen
Richarlison
Vlahovic

Past editions
=============

April 2011

GK Neuer
RD Bosingwa / Maicon
CD Vidic
CD Alex / Carvalho
LD Cole
DM Busquets
CM Xavi
RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
CAM van der Vaart
LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
ST Rooney / Tevez

Poll:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
Results:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/

---

January 2012

GK Neuer
RD Puyol
CD Pique
CD Kompany / Thiago Silva
LD Lahm
DM Busquets
CM Xavi
RAM Messi
CAM Iniesta
LAM Silva
ST Cristiano Ronaldo

Poll:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/
Results:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/

---

January 2013

GK Hart
RD Lahm
CD Thiago Silva
CD Pique
LD Alba
DM Busquets
CM Pirlo / Xavi
RAM Goetze
CAM Messi
LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
ST Falcao

If one could clone players:
GK Hart
RD Lahm
CD Thiago Silva
CD Pique
LD Alba
DM Busquets
CM Pirlo / Xavi
* RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
CAM Messi
LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
* ST Messi

Poll:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M

---

January 2014

GK Neuer
RD Lahm
CD Thiago Silva
CD Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
LD Alaba
DM Yaya Toure
CM Schweinsteiger
RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
CAM Rooney
LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
ST Messi / Suarez

If one could clone players:

GK Neuer
RD Lahm
CD Thiago Silva
CD Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
LD Alaba
DM Yaya Toure
* CM Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
* RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
CAM Rooney
LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
ST Messi or Suarez

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc

---

January 2015

GK Neuer
RD Lahm
CD Boateng
CD Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
LD Alaba
DM Matic
CM Kroos
RAM Di Maria / Robben
CAM James Rodriguez
LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
ST Messi

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w

Experimental edition:
- Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
- Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8

---

January 2016

GK Neuer
RB Lahm
CD Pique
CD Boateng
LB Alaba
WM Bale
CM Iniesta
WM De Bruyne
FW Messi
FW Suarez
FW Neymar

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU

---

January 2017

GK de Gea
RB Carvajal
CB/SW Bonucci
CB/SW Ramos
LB Alaba
DM Kante
CM Kroos / Modric
RW/LM Messi
AM/SS De Bruyne
LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
CF Suarez

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w

---

January 2018

GK de Gea
RB Carvajal / Kimmich
CB/SW Ramos
CB/SW Varane
LB Marcelo
DM Kante
CM Kroos / Modric / Pogba
RW/RM Messi
AM/SS De Bruyne
LW/LM Neymar
CF Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg

---

January 2019

GK de Gea
RB Kimmich
CB/SW van Dijk
CB/SW Varane
LB Marcelo / Mendy
DM Busquets
CM Kante
RW/RM Messi
AM/SS De Bruyne
LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
CF Kane

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ

---

February 2020

GK Alisson
RB Alexander-Arnold
CB/SW van Dijk
CB/SW de Ligt
LB Robertson
DM Casemiro
CM Kante
RW/RM Messi
AM/SS De Bruyne
LW/LM Mane
CF Lewandowski

Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8
Results:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng

---

February 2021

GK Oblak
RB Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
CB/SW Dias
CB/SW van Dijk
LB Robertson
DM Kimmich
CM Gundogan
RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
AM/SS Bruno Fernades
LW/LM Neymar
CF Haaland

Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI

---

January 2022

GK Donnarumma
RB Alexander-Arnold
CB/SW Dias
CB/SW van Dijk
LB Davies
DM Kimmich
CM Foden / Pedri
RW/RM Salah
AM/SS De Bruyne
LW/LM Vinicius Junior
CF Haaland

Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/EbwOunmSrWs
Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/mh25Cr1j4Gc

--
Cheers
milivella

Re: RSS World Class XI [13th edition] - Vote!

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 by: milivella - Fri, 27 Jan 2023 01:49 UTC

> GK

Courtois

> RB

Alexander-Arnold

> CB/SW [name at least two]

Alaba, Dias, van Dijk, Marquinhos

> LB

Theo Hernandez, Robertson

> DM

Kimmich, Rodri

> CM

Gavi, Pedri

> RW/RM

Messi

> AM/SS

De Bruyne

> LW/LM

Kvaratskhelia, Neymar

> CF

Haaland, Mbappe

I should be in the FIFPro World XI picking team.

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 by: milivella - Sun, 5 Feb 2023 01:50 UTC

Nobody replied, so this poll is officially cancelled forever. Thanks to
everyone who vote in the past 12 years. Here is the definitive list of
the XIs through the years:
> April 2011
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Bosingwa / Maicon
> CD  Vidic
> CD  Alex / Carvalho
> LD  Cole
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Xavi
> RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
> CAM van der Vaart
> LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
> ST  Rooney / Tevez
>
> Poll:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
> Results:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/
>
> ---
>
> January 2012
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Puyol
> CD  Pique
> CD  Kompany / Thiago Silva
> LD  Lahm
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Xavi
> RAM Messi
> CAM Iniesta
> LAM Silva
> ST  Cristiano Ronaldo
>
> Poll:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/
> Results:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/
>
> ---
>
> January 2013
>
> GK  Hart
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Thiago Silva
> CD  Pique
> LD  Alba
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Pirlo / Xavi
> RAM Goetze
> CAM Messi
> LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Falcao
>
> If one could clone players:
>   GK  Hart
>   RD  Lahm
>   CD  Thiago Silva
>   CD  Pique
>   LD  Alba
>   DM  Busquets
>   CM  Pirlo / Xavi
> * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
>   CAM Messi
>   LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> * ST  Messi
>
> Poll:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M
>
> ---
>
> January 2014
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Thiago Silva
> CD  Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
> LD  Alaba
> DM  Yaya Toure
> CM  Schweinsteiger
> RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
> CAM Rooney
> LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Messi / Suarez
>
> If one could clone players:
>
>   GK  Neuer
>   RD  Lahm
>   CD  Thiago Silva
>   CD  Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
>   LD  Alaba
>   DM  Yaya Toure
> * CM  Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
> * RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
>   CAM Rooney
>   LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
>   ST  Messi or Suarez
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc
>
> ---
>
> January 2015
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Boateng
> CD  Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
> LD  Alaba
> DM  Matic
> CM  Kroos
> RAM Di Maria / Robben
> CAM James Rodriguez
> LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Messi
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w
>
> Experimental edition:
> - Poll:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
> - Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8
>
> ---
>
> January 2016
>
> GK Neuer
> RB Lahm
> CD Pique
> CD Boateng
> LB Alaba
> WM Bale
> CM Iniesta
> WM De Bruyne
> FW Messi
> FW Suarez
> FW Neymar
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU
>
>
> ---
>
> January 2017
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Carvajal
> CB/SW Bonucci
> CB/SW Ramos
> LB    Alaba
> DM    Kante
> CM    Kroos / Modric
> RW/LM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
> CF    Suarez
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w
>
> ---
>
> January 2018
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Carvajal / Kimmich
> CB/SW Ramos
> CB/SW Varane
> LB    Marcelo
> DM    Kante
> CM    Kroos / Modric / Pogba
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Neymar
> CF    Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg
>
> ---
>
> January 2019
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Kimmich
> CB/SW van Dijk
> CB/SW Varane
> LB    Marcelo / Mendy
> DM    Busquets
> CM    Kante
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
> CF    Kane
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ
>
> ---
>
> February 2020
>
> GK    Alisson
> RB    Alexander-Arnold
> CB/SW van Dijk
> CB/SW de Ligt
> LB    Robertson
> DM    Casemiro
> CM    Kante
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Mane
> CF    Lewandowski
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng
>
> ---
>
> February 2021
>
> GK    Oblak
> RB    Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
> CB/SW Dias
> CB/SW van Dijk
> LB    Robertson
> DM    Kimmich
> CM    Gundogan
> RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
> AM/SS Bruno Fernades
> LW/LM Neymar
> CF    Haaland
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
> Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI
>
> ---
>
> January 2022
>
> GK    Donnarumma
> RB    Alexander-Arnold
> CB/SW Dias
> CB/SW van Dijk
> LB    Davies
> DM    Kimmich
> CM    Foden / Pedri
> RW/RM Salah
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Vinicius Junior
> CF    Haaland
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/EbwOunmSrWs
> Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/mh25Cr1j4Gc
Some more stats:
Most represented...
...nation:
Year Pls. Leader
2011 2.25 Spain
2012 6.00 Spain
2013 3.50 Spain
2014 3.33 Germany
2015 4.33 Germany
2016 4.00 Germany
2017 3.00 Spain
2018 2.50 Spain
2019 3.00 France
2020 2.00 Brazil,France,Netherlands
2021 2.50 Portugal
2022 1.50 England
...club:
Year Pls. Leader
2011 2.75 Barcelona
2012 6.00 Barcelona
2013 3.50 Barcelona
2014 3.33 Bayern
2015 5.08 Bayern
2016 5.00 Barcelona
2017 4.00 Real Madrid
2018 4.66 Real Madrid
2019 2.00 Barcelona
2020 5.00 Liverpool
2021 2.50 Liverpool,Manchester City
2022 3.00 Liverpool
...league:
Year Pls. Leader
2011 5.50 England
2012 7.00 Spain
2013 6.50 Spain
2014 4.33 Germany
2015 5.08 Germany
2016 6.00 Spain
2017 6.00 Spain
2018 5.66 Spain
2019 6.00 England
2020 7.00 England
2021 6.50 England
2022 5.50 England
Players who have featured more than once:
Player 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
Neuer GK GK - GK GK GK - - - - - -
Busquets DM DM DM - - - - - DM - - -
Xavi CM CM CM - - - - - - - - -
C.Ronaldo RAM ST LAM LAM LAM - LW CF LW - - -
Messi RAM RAM CAM ST ST FW RW RW RW RW RW -
Iniesta LAM CAM - - - CM - - - - - -
Modric LAM - - - - - CM CM - - - -
Rooney ST - - CAM - - - - - - - -
Pique - CD CD CD - CD - - - - - -
T.Silva - CD CD CD - - - - - - - -
Silva - LAM - RAM - - - - - - - -
Lahm - LD RD RD RD RB - - - - - -
Marquinhos - - - CD CD - - - - - - -
Alaba - - - LD LD LB LB - - - - -
Bale - - - LAM LAM WM - - - - - -
T.Mueller - - - RAM LAM - - - - - - -
Suarez - - - FW - FW CF - - - - -
Boateng - - - - CD CD - - - - - -
Ramos - - - - CD - CB CB - - - -
Kroos - - - - CM - CM CM - - - -
De Bruyne - - - - - WM AM AM AM AM - AM
Varane - - - - CB - - CB CB - - -
Neymar - - - - - FW - LW - - LW -
de Gea - - - - - - GK GK GK - - -
Carvajal - - - - - - RB RB - - - -
Kante - - - - - - DM DM CM CM - -
Kimmich - - - - - - - RB RB - DM DM
Marcelo - - - - - - - LB LB - - -
Kane - - - - - - - CF CF - - -
van Dijk - - - - - - - - CB CB CB CB
A.-Arnold - - - - - - - - - RB RB RB
Robertson - - - - - - - - - LB LB -
Dias - - - - - - - - - - CB CB
Haaland - - - - - - - - - - CF CF

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On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:50:40 AM UTC, milivella wrote:
> Nobody replied, so this poll is officially cancelled forever.

A sign of the ongoing demise of rss? :(

Sorry I didn’t participate, for my part I’ve never been that attuned to who the best players in the World are / will be. I'm more interested in teams, tournaments and the social experience of following football.

RM

> Thanks to
> everyone who vote in the past 12 years. Here is the definitive list of
> the XIs through the years:
> > April 2011
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RD Bosingwa / Maicon
> > CD Vidic
> > CD Alex / Carvalho
> > LD Cole
> > DM Busquets
> > CM Xavi
> > RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
> > CAM van der Vaart
> > LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
> > ST Rooney / Tevez
> >
> > Poll:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
> > Results:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2012
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RD Puyol
> > CD Pique
> > CD Kompany / Thiago Silva
> > LD Lahm
> > DM Busquets
> > CM Xavi
> > RAM Messi
> > CAM Iniesta
> > LAM Silva
> > ST Cristiano Ronaldo
> >
> > Poll:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/
> > Results:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2013
> >
> > GK Hart
> > RD Lahm
> > CD Thiago Silva
> > CD Pique
> > LD Alba
> > DM Busquets
> > CM Pirlo / Xavi
> > RAM Goetze
> > CAM Messi
> > LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> > ST Falcao
> >
> > If one could clone players:
> > GK Hart
> > RD Lahm
> > CD Thiago Silva
> > CD Pique
> > LD Alba
> > DM Busquets
> > CM Pirlo / Xavi
> > * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
> > CAM Messi
> > LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> > * ST Messi
> >
> > Poll:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2014
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RD Lahm
> > CD Thiago Silva
> > CD Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
> > LD Alaba
> > DM Yaya Toure
> > CM Schweinsteiger
> > RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
> > CAM Rooney
> > LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
> > ST Messi / Suarez
> >
> > If one could clone players:
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RD Lahm
> > CD Thiago Silva
> > CD Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
> > LD Alaba
> > DM Yaya Toure
> > * CM Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
> > * RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
> > CAM Rooney
> > LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
> > ST Messi or Suarez
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2015
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RD Lahm
> > CD Boateng
> > CD Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
> > LD Alaba
> > DM Matic
> > CM Kroos
> > RAM Di Maria / Robben
> > CAM James Rodriguez
> > LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
> > ST Messi
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w
> >
> > Experimental edition:
> > - Poll:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
> > - Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2016
> >
> > GK Neuer
> > RB Lahm
> > CD Pique
> > CD Boateng
> > LB Alaba
> > WM Bale
> > CM Iniesta
> > WM De Bruyne
> > FW Messi
> > FW Suarez
> > FW Neymar
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2017
> >
> > GK de Gea
> > RB Carvajal
> > CB/SW Bonucci
> > CB/SW Ramos
> > LB Alaba
> > DM Kante
> > CM Kroos / Modric
> > RW/LM Messi
> > AM/SS De Bruyne
> > LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
> > CF Suarez
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2018
> >
> > GK de Gea
> > RB Carvajal / Kimmich
> > CB/SW Ramos
> > CB/SW Varane
> > LB Marcelo
> > DM Kante
> > CM Kroos / Modric / Pogba
> > RW/RM Messi
> > AM/SS De Bruyne
> > LW/LM Neymar
> > CF Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2019
> >
> > GK de Gea
> > RB Kimmich
> > CB/SW van Dijk
> > CB/SW Varane
> > LB Marcelo / Mendy
> > DM Busquets
> > CM Kante
> > RW/RM Messi
> > AM/SS De Bruyne
> > LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
> > CF Kane
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ
> >
> > ---
> >
> > February 2020
> >
> > GK Alisson
> > RB Alexander-Arnold
> > CB/SW van Dijk
> > CB/SW de Ligt
> > LB Robertson
> > DM Casemiro
> > CM Kante
> > RW/RM Messi
> > AM/SS De Bruyne
> > LW/LM Mane
> > CF Lewandowski
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8
> > Results:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng
> >
> > ---
> >
> > February 2021
> >
> > GK Oblak
> > RB Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
> > CB/SW Dias
> > CB/SW van Dijk
> > LB Robertson
> > DM Kimmich
> > CM Gundogan
> > RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
> > AM/SS Bruno Fernades
> > LW/LM Neymar
> > CF Haaland
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
> > Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI
> >
> > ---
> >
> > January 2022
> >
> > GK Donnarumma
> > RB Alexander-Arnold
> > CB/SW Dias
> > CB/SW van Dijk
> > LB Davies
> > DM Kimmich
> > CM Foden / Pedri
> > RW/RM Salah
> > AM/SS De Bruyne
> > LW/LM Vinicius Junior
> > CF Haaland
> >
> > Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/EbwOunmSrWs
> > Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/mh25Cr1j4Gc
> Some more stats:
>
> Most represented...
>
> ...nation:
> Year Pls. Leader
> 2011 2.25 Spain
> 2012 6.00 Spain
> 2013 3.50 Spain
> 2014 3.33 Germany
> 2015 4.33 Germany
> 2016 4.00 Germany
> 2017 3.00 Spain
> 2018 2.50 Spain
> 2019 3.00 France
> 2020 2.00 Brazil,France,Netherlands
> 2021 2.50 Portugal
> 2022 1.50 England
>
> ...club:
> Year Pls. Leader
> 2011 2.75 Barcelona
> 2012 6.00 Barcelona
> 2013 3.50 Barcelona
> 2014 3.33 Bayern
> 2015 5.08 Bayern
> 2016 5.00 Barcelona
> 2017 4.00 Real Madrid
> 2018 4.66 Real Madrid
> 2019 2.00 Barcelona
> 2020 5.00 Liverpool
> 2021 2.50 Liverpool,Manchester City
> 2022 3.00 Liverpool
>
> ...league:
> Year Pls. Leader
> 2011 5.50 England
> 2012 7.00 Spain
> 2013 6.50 Spain
> 2014 4.33 Germany
> 2015 5.08 Germany
> 2016 6.00 Spain
> 2017 6.00 Spain
> 2018 5.66 Spain
> 2019 6.00 England
> 2020 7.00 England
> 2021 6.50 England
> 2022 5.50 England
>
> Players who have featured more than once:
>
> Player 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22
> Neuer GK GK - GK GK GK - - - - - -
> Busquets DM DM DM - - - - - DM - - -
> Xavi CM CM CM - - - - - - - - -
> C.Ronaldo RAM ST LAM LAM LAM - LW CF LW - - -
> Messi RAM RAM CAM ST ST FW RW RW RW RW RW -
> Iniesta LAM CAM - - - CM - - - - - -
> Modric LAM - - - - - CM CM - - - -
> Rooney ST - - CAM - - - - - - - -
> Pique - CD CD CD - CD - - - - - -
> T.Silva - CD CD CD - - - - - - - -
> Silva - LAM - RAM - - - - - - - -
> Lahm - LD RD RD RD RB - - - - - -
> Marquinhos - - - CD CD - - - - - - -
> Alaba - - - LD LD LB LB - - - - -
> Bale - - - LAM LAM WM - - - - - -
> T.Mueller - - - RAM LAM - - - - - - -
> Suarez - - - FW - FW CF - - - - -
> Boateng - - - - CD CD - - - - - -
> Ramos - - - - CD - CB CB - - - -
> Kroos - - - - CM - CM CM - - - -
> De Bruyne - - - - - WM AM AM AM AM - AM
> Varane - - - - CB - - CB CB - - -
> Neymar - - - - - FW - LW - - LW -
> de Gea - - - - - - GK GK GK - - -
> Carvajal - - - - - - RB RB - - - -
> Kante - - - - - - DM DM CM CM - -
> Kimmich - - - - - - - RB RB - DM DM
> Marcelo - - - - - - - LB LB - - -
> Kane - - - - - - - CF CF - - -
> van Dijk - - - - - - - - CB CB CB CB
> A.-Arnold - - - - - - - - - RB RB RB
> Robertson - - - - - - - - - LB LB -
> Dias - - - - - - - - - - CB CB
> Haaland - - - - - - - - - - CF CF
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella


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Real Mardin:
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 1:50:40 AM UTC, milivella wrote:
>> Nobody replied, so this poll is officially cancelled forever.
>
> A sign of the ongoing demise of rss? :(
I hope not!
> Sorry I didn’t participate, for my part I’ve never been that attuned to who the best players in the World are / will be. I'm more interested in teams, tournaments and the social experience of following football.
Yours is a better perspective IMO, and if this is the reason why the
poll failed, I am quite happy. The reason why I launched the poll is
because I thought that, *if* we want to discuss who the best players
are, it would be interesting (a) to consider not only seasonal
performances (as in the POTS poll), but also quality in a more permanent
sense, and (b) to treat all positions equally (this is partially done in
the POTS poll as well) [1]. But if we don't want to discuss who the best
players are, it's fine!
If the reason why the poll failed is, instead, that I didn't manage to
fix the issues with the format that have been identified through the
year (particularly by MH)... well, in this case I'm sorry I wasn't able
to do it, and I hope that someone else will launch a poll with a better
format.
Anyway, thanks for replying! :)
[1] There were also more reasons, e.g.:
- keeping the tradition of Benny's world class list alive, but
expressing the collective opinion
- asking people to make hard choices (e.g. if the two best players are
both right wingers, you can only choose one)
- having an archive of the best players in any given year (could be
useful e.g. to check who picked the best players in Fantasy Scout)
--
Cheers
milivella

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On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:42:46 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:
> GK

Alisson

> RB

Reece James

> CB/SW [name at least two]

Marquinhos
Dias

> LB

Robertson

> DM

Kimmich

> CM

Tchouameni

> RW/RM

Saka

> AM/SS

Bruno Fernandes

> LW/LM

Vinicius

> CF

Mbappe
Haaland

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Al Kamista:

> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:42:46 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:
>> GK

Thanks for voting! I guess two of us is too few to have an official
result, but these are the players we have in common:

>> CB/SW [name at least two]
>
> Marquinhos
> Dias
>
>> LB
>
> Robertson
>
>> DM
>
> Kimmich

>> CF
>
> Mbappe
> Haaland

--
Cheers
milivella

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On 2023-01-26 18:42, milivella wrote:
> GK

Courtois

> RB

Hakimi

> CB/SW [name at least two]

Van Dijk
Kimpembe

> LB

Davies

> DM

Rice

> CM

Pedri, Gavi

> RW/RM

Saka

> AM/SS

Odegard
> LW/LM

Kvaratskhelia

> CF

Haaland

>
> Name, for each position, the player or players who you are most
> confident that, provided they are healthy, will be the best in the world
> at their position by January 1 *OF NEXT YEAR*.
>
> You can only vote a player under his main position according to
> www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten
> highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
> vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on
> Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
> be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.
>
> For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
> point to each in any case.
>
> A week to vote.
>
> Shortlist
> =========
>
> GK
> Alisson
> Diogo Costa
> Courtois
> Donnarumma
> Ederson
> Maignan
> Oblak
> Ramsdale
> Robert Sanchez
> ter Stegen
>
> RB
> Alexander-Arnold
> Cancelo
> Calabria
> Castagne
> Dalot
> Di Lorenzo
> Emerson Royal
> Foyth
> Frimpong
> Hakimi
> Justin
> Livramento
> Mazraoui
> Reece James
> Pavard
> Porro
> Tomiyasu
> Walker-Peters
>
> CB/SW [name at least two]
> Alaba
> Araujo
> Bastoni
> Dias
> van Dijk
> Fofana
> Gvardiol
> Lucas Hernandez
> Kounde
> de Ligt
> Marquinhos
> Lisandro Martinez
> Militao
> Romero
> Saliba
> Skriniar
> Timber
> Pau Torres
> Tomori
> Upamecano
> White
>
> LB
> Chilwell
> Cucurella
> Davies
> Gaya
> Theo Hernandez
> Mendes
> Ferland Mendy
> Robertson
> Tierney
> Zinchenko
>
> DM
> Bennacer
> Casemiro
> Guimaraes
> Fabinho
> Kimmich
> Ndidi
> Ruben Neves
> Phillips
> Rice
> Rodri
> Soucek
> Tchouameni
> Tonali
> Zubimendi
>
> CM
> Barella
> Bellingham
> Camavinga
> Enzo Fernandez
> Foden
> Gavi
> Goretzka
> Frenkie de Jong
> Merino
> Milinkovic-Savic
> Pedri
> Valverde
> Verratti
>
> RW/RM
> Antony
> Chiesa
> Coman
> Dembele
> Gnabry
> Kulusevski
> Messi
> Raphinha
> Rodrygo
> Saka
> Salah
>
> AM/SS
> De Bruyne
> Bruno Fernandes
> Havertz
> Maddison
> Mount
> Musiala
> Nkunku
> Odegaard
> Bernardo Silva
> Wirtz
>
> LW/LM
> Gakpo
> Grealish
> Kvaratskhelia
> Luis Diaz
> Leao
> Mane
> Martinelli
> Neymar
> Oyarzabal
> Sancho
> Sane
> Son
> Sterling
> Vinicius Junior
>
> CF
> Gabriel Jesus
> Haaland
> Kane
> Lukaku
> Lautaro Martinez
> Darwin Nunez
> Mbappe
> Osimhen
> Richarlison
> Vlahovic
>
> Past editions
> =============
>
> April 2011
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Bosingwa / Maicon
> CD  Vidic
> CD  Alex / Carvalho
> LD  Cole
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Xavi
> RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
> CAM van der Vaart
> LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
> ST  Rooney / Tevez
>
> Poll:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
> Results:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/
>
> ---
>
> January 2012
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Puyol
> CD  Pique
> CD  Kompany / Thiago Silva
> LD  Lahm
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Xavi
> RAM Messi
> CAM Iniesta
> LAM Silva
> ST  Cristiano Ronaldo
>
> Poll:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/
> Results:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/
>
> ---
>
> January 2013
>
> GK  Hart
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Thiago Silva
> CD  Pique
> LD  Alba
> DM  Busquets
> CM  Pirlo / Xavi
> RAM Goetze
> CAM Messi
> LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Falcao
>
> If one could clone players:
>   GK  Hart
>   RD  Lahm
>   CD  Thiago Silva
>   CD  Pique
>   LD  Alba
>   DM  Busquets
>   CM  Pirlo / Xavi
> * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
>   CAM Messi
>   LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
> * ST  Messi
>
> Poll:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M
>
> ---
>
> January 2014
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Thiago Silva
> CD  Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
> LD  Alaba
> DM  Yaya Toure
> CM  Schweinsteiger
> RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
> CAM Rooney
> LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Messi / Suarez
>
> If one could clone players:
>
>   GK  Neuer
>   RD  Lahm
>   CD  Thiago Silva
>   CD  Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
>   LD  Alaba
>   DM  Yaya Toure
> * CM  Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
> * RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
>   CAM Rooney
>   LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
>   ST  Messi or Suarez
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc
>
> ---
>
> January 2015
>
> GK  Neuer
> RD  Lahm
> CD  Boateng
> CD  Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
> LD  Alaba
> DM  Matic
> CM  Kroos
> RAM Di Maria / Robben
> CAM James Rodriguez
> LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
> ST  Messi
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w
>
> Experimental edition:
> - Poll:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
> - Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8
>
> ---
>
> January 2016
>
> GK Neuer
> RB Lahm
> CD Pique
> CD Boateng
> LB Alaba
> WM Bale
> CM Iniesta
> WM De Bruyne
> FW Messi
> FW Suarez
> FW Neymar
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU
>
>
> ---
>
> January 2017
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Carvajal
> CB/SW Bonucci
> CB/SW Ramos
> LB    Alaba
> DM    Kante
> CM    Kroos / Modric
> RW/LM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
> CF    Suarez
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w
>
> ---
>
> January 2018
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Carvajal / Kimmich
> CB/SW Ramos
> CB/SW Varane
> LB    Marcelo
> DM    Kante
> CM    Kroos / Modric / Pogba
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Neymar
> CF    Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg
>
> ---
>
> January 2019
>
> GK    de Gea
> RB    Kimmich
> CB/SW van Dijk
> CB/SW Varane
> LB    Marcelo / Mendy
> DM    Busquets
> CM    Kante
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
> CF    Kane
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ
>
> ---
>
> February 2020
>
> GK    Alisson
> RB    Alexander-Arnold
> CB/SW van Dijk
> CB/SW de Ligt
> LB    Robertson
> DM    Casemiro
> CM    Kante
> RW/RM Messi
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Mane
> CF    Lewandowski
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8
> Results:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng
>
> ---
>
> February 2021
>
> GK    Oblak
> RB    Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
> CB/SW Dias
> CB/SW van Dijk
> LB    Robertson
> DM    Kimmich
> CM    Gundogan
> RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
> AM/SS Bruno Fernades
> LW/LM Neymar
> CF    Haaland
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
> Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI
>
> ---
>
> January 2022
>
> GK    Donnarumma
> RB    Alexander-Arnold
> CB/SW Dias
> CB/SW van Dijk
> LB    Davies
> DM    Kimmich
> CM    Foden / Pedri
> RW/RM Salah
> AM/SS De Bruyne
> LW/LM Vinicius Junior
> CF    Haaland
>
> Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/EbwOunmSrWs
> Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/mh25Cr1j4Gc
>
> --
> Cheers
> milivella


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 by: milivella - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 01:46 UTC

MH:

> On 2023-01-26 18:42, milivella wrote:
>> GK
>
> Courtois

Thanks for voting!

Let's check the results after three voters:

GK

2 Courtois
1 Alisson

RB

1 Alexander-Arnold
1 Hakimi
1 Reece James

CB/SW [name at least two]

2 Dias
2 van Dijk
2 Marquinhos
1 Alaba
1 Kimpembe

LB

2 Robertson
1 Davies
1 Theo Hernandez

DM

2 Kimmich
1 Rice
1 Rodri

CM

2 Gavi
2 Pedri
1 Tchouameni

RW/RM

2 Saka
1 Messi

AM/SS

1 Bruno Fernandes
1 De Bruyne
1 Odegard

LW/LM

2 Kvaratskhelia
1 Neymar
1 Vinicius

CF

3 Haaland
2 Mbappe

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 by: Futbolmetrix - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:50 UTC

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:42:46 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:
> GK
> RB
> CB/SW [name at least two]
> LB
> DM
> CM
> RW/RM
> AM/SS
> LW/LM
> CF
>
> Name, for each position, the player or players who you are most
> confident that, provided they are healthy, will be the best in the world
> at their position by January 1 *OF NEXT YEAR*.

One reason I did not vote on this (other than the usual excuses about lack of time, inattention, etc.), is that there are *a lot* of these polls, and sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference. What exactly are we voting on here?

Anyway:

> GK
Alisson, Donnarumma

> RB
Hakimi

> CB/SW [name at least two]
Gvardiol, Araujo, Bremer

> LB
Davies, Theo Hernandez

> DM
Tchouameni, Rice, Rodri, Kimmich

> CM
Bellingham, Valverde, Enzo Fernandez

> RW/RM
Hmmm...pass

> AM/SS
Odegaard, De Bruyne

> LW/LM
Mbappe

> CF
Haaland, Osimhen

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 by: MH - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:41 UTC

On 2023-02-14 18:46, milivella wrote:
> MH:
>
>> On 2023-01-26 18:42, milivella wrote:
>>> GK
>>
>> Courtois
>
> Thanks for voting!
>
> Let's check the results after three voters:
>
> GK
>
> 2 Courtois
> 1 Alisson
>
> RB
>
> 1 Alexander-Arnold

Surprised based on current form that anyone thinks he will be top RB in
the world by this time next year

> 1 Hakimi

Based on yesterday's game I am no longer so sure ....

> 1 Reece James
>
> CB/SW [name at least two]
>
> 2 Dias

Weird pick given he seems completely out of favour at Man City, whereas
he was the first name on the team sheet a couple of years ago. Also
weird that Pep unceremoniously dumped Cancelo, who was one of his
biggest attacking threats only last year. Has he taken a sudden dislike
to Portugese players, because there are also rumours Silva may be on his
way soon?

> 2 van Dijk
> 2 Marquinhos
> 1 Alaba
> 1 Kimpembe
>
> LB
>
> 2 Robertson
> 1 Davies

Very conservative for Bayern yesterday compared to his swashbuckling
style for Canada, but he did lend them more attacking edge and asssisted
on the goal

> 1 Theo Hernandez
>
> DM
>
> 2 Kimmich
> 1 Rice
> 1 Rodri
>
Pretty reasonable trio.

> CM
>
> 2 Gavi
> 2 Pedri
> 1 Tchouameni
>
> RW/RM
>
> 2 Saka
> 1 Messi
>
> AM/SS
>
> 1 Bruno Fernandes
> 1 De Bruyne
> 1 Odegard
>
> LW/LM
>
> 2 Kvaratskhelia
> 1 Neymar
> 1 Vinicius
>
> CF
>
> 3 Haaland
> 2 Mbappe
>

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 by: milivella - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 02:28 UTC

Futbolmetrix:

> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 8:42:46 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:
>> GK
>> RB
>> CB/SW [name at least two]
>> LB
>> DM
>> CM
>> RW/RM
>> AM/SS
>> LW/LM
>> CF
>>
>> Name, for each position, the player or players who you are most
>> confident that, provided they are healthy, will be the best in the world
>> at their position by January 1 *OF NEXT YEAR*.
>
> One reason I did not vote on this (other than the usual excuses about lack of time, inattention, etc.), is that there are *a lot* of these polls, and sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference.

This is an interesting point of view, and it could mean that the
cancellation of this poll will benefit the other polls (I organize two
of them: player of the season once a year, and player of the quadrennium
once every four years).

This said, if I had to choose which poll to save between World Class XI
and Player of the Season, I would save the former. There are famous
awards about the player of the season (even when they were nominally
about the player of the _year_, they were usually actually about the
season anyway) that usually have similar results to our POTS, whereas I
think this is less true of our WCXI. I feel like the FIFA FIFPRO Men's
World 11 and the The Guardian 100 Best Male Footballers in the World are
quite different from our award; also, they were established later, so we
had a longer history! :)

> Anyway:
>
>> GK
> Alisson, Donnarumma

[snip]

Thanks for voting---let's update the unofficial results:

GK

2 Alisson
2 Courtois
1 Donnarumma

RB

2 Hakimi
1 Alexander-Arnold
1 Reece James

CB/SW [name at least two]

2 Dias
2 van Dijk
2 Marquinhos
1 Alaba
1 Araujo
1 Bremer
1 Gvardiol
1 Kimpembe

LB

2 Davies
2 Theo Hernandez
2 Robertson

DM

3 Kimmich
2 Rice
2 Rodri

CM

2 Gavi
2 Pedri
2 Tchouameni
1 Bellingham
1 Enzo Fernandez
1 Valverde

RW/RM

2 Saka
1 Messi

AM/SS

2 De Bruyne
2 Odegard
1 Bruno Fernandes

LW/LM

2 Kvaratskhelia
1 Neymar
1 Vinicius

CF

4 Haaland
3 Mbappe
1 Osimhen

--
Cheers
milivella

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MH:
>> RB
>>
>> 1 Alexander-Arnold
>
> Surprised based on current form that anyone thinks he will be top RB in
> the world  by this time next year
That was me. :) I may be a little biased (I picked TAA in FS) and I am
very ignorant, but I think it's reasonable to think that his is just a
momentary dip in form.
>> 1 Hakimi
>
> Based on yesterday's game I am no longer so sure ....
:)
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Cheers
milivella

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