....at least, until AFTER he was behind:

Lewis Hamilton.

Alan wrote:

> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>
> Lewis Hamilton.

Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few days.
You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times over already you
can stop now, TOTY.

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In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>
> Lewis Hamilton.
>

Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?

Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the situation
until /after/ he was overtaken?

I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete fuckwit.

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On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton.
>
> Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few days.
> You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times over already you
> can stop now, TOTY.
>

Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.

Hamilton showed the predilection to complain about things.

Made his unhappiness that the incident happened while at racing speed.

Complained (repeatedly) while behind the safety car, but not about this
incident.

And then suddenly, it becomes "manipulated" only after he lost his lead
and his last realistic opportunity to pass.

When it was happening—when he was being told that 5 cars would be
allowed to unlap themselves, there wasn't any response at all.

When he was told the safety car was coming in on the same lap: nothing.

So fact:

When this all went down, Hamilton made no complaint at all.

On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>
>
> Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
>
> Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the situation
> until /after/ he was overtaken?

He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by Verstappen, but he
was probably pretty focused until his last overtaking opportunity went
away, wouldn't you agree?

>
> I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete fuckwit.

I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other things.

But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars would unlap
themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.

I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game was played
and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in part because he
thought he could win anyway.

But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all along...

....why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation was
actually happening?

Can you answer that?

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > >
> > > Lewis Hamilton.
> >
> > Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few
> > days. You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times over
> > already you can stop now, TOTY.
> >
>
> Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.
>

No, TOTY, you are just shit stirring making all sorts of unwarranted
and inane inferences.

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On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>
> Lewis Hamilton.
True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not getting new tires?
HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.

Dan

On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>> In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>
>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>
>>>
>> Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
>>
>> Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the situation
>> until /after/ he was overtaken?
>
> He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by Verstappen, but he
> was probably pretty focused until his last overtaking opportunity went
> away, wouldn't you agree?
>
Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on his radio
I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things

>
>> I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete fuckwit.
>
> I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other things.
>
> But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars would unlap
> themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
>
> I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game was played
> and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in part because he
> thought he could win anyway.
>
> But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all along...
>
> ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation was
> actually happening?
>
>
> Can you answer that?

no need - you did at the beginging of your post
he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
bullet meet foot :-)

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On 16/12/2021 3:04 am, Dan the Man wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton.
> True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not getting new tires?
> HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.
>
> Dan

Though he would have been OK from where he was with the 12 sec lead.

geoff

On 2021-12-15 9:04 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>
>> Lewis Hamilton.
> True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not getting new tires?
> HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.

If that's the case...

....why would he wait to say so?

On 2021-12-15 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>
>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>
>>> Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few
>>> days. You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times over
>>> already you can stop now, TOTY.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.
>>
>
> No, TOTY, you are just shit stirring making all sorts of unwarranted
> and inane inferences.

I've made no inferences at all, sunshine.

I've noted what actually happened.

Hamilton was chatty and complaining about everything except what you say
was such a terribly unfair thing.

He only complained that it was unfair after he failed to prevent
Verstappen from passing him and failed to retake the lead in the only
places on the last lap where it was possible.

Those are just facts.

On 2021-12-15 9:55 a.m., alister wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>> In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>
>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
>>>
>>> Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the situation
>>> until /after/ he was overtaken?
>>
>> He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by Verstappen, but he
>> was probably pretty focused until his last overtaking opportunity went
>> away, wouldn't you agree?
>>
> Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on his radio
> I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things

But that's my point.

When the situation change, he was still behind the pace car in a
situation that didn't yet require high levels of focus.

>
>
>>
>>> I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete fuckwit.
>>
>> I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other things.
>>
>> But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars would unlap
>> themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
>>
>> I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game was played
>> and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in part because he
>> thought he could win anyway.
>>
>> But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all along...
>>
>> ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation was
>> actually happening?
>>
>>
>> Can you answer that?
>
> no need - you did at the beginging of your post
> he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
> your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
> bullet meet foot :-)

And before the pace car pulled away...

....when he was informed that the lapped traffic would be let by, and he
saw it happening—all while behind the pace car...

....where was the need for his focus at that point?

On 2021-12-15 3:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 3:04 am, Dan the Man wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>
>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>> True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not
>> getting new tires?
>> HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got
>> the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Though he would have been OK from where he was with the 12 sec lead.

But while still behind the pace car, he knew that he wouldn't HAVE a 12
second lead.

On 16/12/2021 1:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-15 3:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 16/12/2021 3:04 am, Dan the Man wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>
>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>> True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not
>>> getting new tires?
>>> HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got
>>> the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
>> Though he would have been OK from where he was with the 12 sec lead.
>
> But while still behind the pace car, he knew that he wouldn't HAVE a 12
> second lead.

Yes, but expected to have a whatever-second lead with the lapped cars in
between, which would have been tenable for him - and *was* the call,
prior to the RD's subsequent change of heart.

Or would have expected to have the lapped cars let through and the SC to
pull in after the next lap as per the regs, or finish under the SC.

geoff

On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:10:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> sunshine.

that sounds like a queer term

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-15 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > > > >
> > > > > Lewis Hamilton.
> > > >
> > > > Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few
> > > > days. You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times
> > > > over already you can stop now, TOTY.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.
> > >
> >
> > No, TOTY, you are just shit stirring making all sorts of unwarranted
> > and inane inferences.
>
> I've made no inferences at all, sunshine.
>

Liar. If you had not come to some inane conclusion you would not be
making such a ridiculous post.

You have made inferences about why he wasn't more vocal... if he
wasn't; that has not been established.

Neither have you established that he knew the regs were being ignored
in those few seconds between the lapped cars passing and the SC lights
going out.

What you have established is the known fact that you will grasp at
anything no matter how vacuous other than the irregular actions of the
RD in not following the SC regulations as he has strictly done
previously.

> I've noted what actually happened.
>
> Hamilton was chatty and complaining about everything except what you
> say was such a terribly unfair thing.
>
> He only complained that it was unfair after he failed to prevent
> Verstappen from passing him and failed to retake the lead in the only
> places on the last lap where it was possible.
>
> Those are just facts.

And you posted it because?

Remember, you concluded nothing...

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Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-15 9:55 a.m., alister wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
> > > > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > > > >
> > > > > Lewis Hamilton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
> > > >
> > > > Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the
> > > > situation until after he was overtaken?
> > >
> > > He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by Verstappen,
> > > but he was probably pretty focused until his last overtaking
> > > opportunity went away, wouldn't you agree?
> > >
> > Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on
> > his radio I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things
>
> But that's my point.
>
> When the situation change, he was still behind the pace car in a
> situation that didn't yet require high levels of focus.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete
> > > > fuckwit.
> > >
> > > I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other
> > > things.
> > >
> > > But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars would
> > > unlap themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
> > >
> > > I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game was
> > > played and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in part
> > > because he thought he could win anyway.
> > >
> > > But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all
> > > along...
> > >
> > > ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation was
> > > actually happening?
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you answer that?
> >
> > no need - you did at the beginging of your post
> > he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
> > your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
> > bullet meet foot :-)
>
> And before the pace car pulled away...
>
> ...when he was informed that the lapped traffic would be let by, and
> he saw it happening—all while behind the pace car...
>
> ...where was the need for his focus at that point?

....and you conclude what exactly?

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On 2021-12-15 8:08 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 16/12/2021 1:12 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-12-15 3:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2021 3:04 am, Dan the Man wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
>>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>>
>>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>> True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about not
>>>> getting new tires?
>>>> HAM probably felt in his gut that he was a sitting duck once VER got
>>>> the new softs while he was sitting on old hards.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Though he would have been OK from where he was with the 12 sec lead.
>>
>> But while still behind the pace car, he knew that he wouldn't HAVE a
>> 12 second lead.
>
> Yes, but expected to have a whatever-second lead with the lapped cars in
> between, which would have been tenable for him  - and *was* the call,
> prior to the RD's subsequent change of heart.
>
> Or would have expected to have the lapped cars let through and the SC to
> pull in after the next lap as per the regs, or finish under the SC.

Right. And he got the news that all those "expected"s weren't what was
going to happen...

....and he made no complaint. He didn't even question it.

That's what makes me wonder what precisely the teams and Race Director
had agreed beforehand.

Hamilton got the news that you say he wouldn't have expected to get
while he was still behind the safety car.

While behind the safety car, he'd been grousing about safety car speed
and asking about his situation with respect to Verstappen. He was even
told it might finish under safety car. Then that all changes and he has
nothing to say on the subject?

Come on.

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 12:25:08 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Come on.

fuck off troll asshole

On 2021-12-16 2:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-15 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last few
>>>>> days. You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many times
>>>>> over already you can stop now, TOTY.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, TOTY, you are just shit stirring making all sorts of unwarranted
>>> and inane inferences.
>>
>> I've made no inferences at all, sunshine.
>>
>
> Liar. If you had not come to some inane conclusion you would not be
> making such a ridiculous post.
>
> You have made inferences about why he wasn't more vocal... if he
> wasn't; that has not been established.

That has been established. I watched the entire sequence from Latifi's
crash to the end of the racing from Hamilton's in-car feed...

....which includes all his radio messages.

>
> Neither have you established that he knew the regs were being ignored
> in those few seconds between the lapped cars passing and the SC lights
> going out.

Hamilton was informed that the 5 lapped cars would be let through at
1:37:50, and he sees the last go by at 1:38:06.

So now he knows (because his engineer just told him) that Verstappen
will be right behind him. Surely you're not arguing that Hamilton didn't
know just letting 5 cars through was unusual, right?

So why didn't he raise a question then?

Then the safety car coming in is told to him at 1:38:22, so he now knows
that he will be in a one lap race against Verstappen.

From the time he's told the safety car is coming in, he doesn't
actually begin racing until 30 seconds later, and still he makes no comment.

>
> What you have established is the known fact that you will grasp at
> anything no matter how vacuous other than the irregular actions of the
> RD in not following the SC regulations as he has strictly done
> previously.

I've noted that the one person must affected by the unusual calls was
Hamilton and he knew about the calls at a time when it would have been
EASY for him to comment.

>
>> I've noted what actually happened.
>>
>> Hamilton was chatty and complaining about everything except what you
>> say was such a terribly unfair thing.
>>
>> He only complained that it was unfair after he failed to prevent
>> Verstappen from passing him and failed to retake the lead in the only
>> places on the last lap where it was possible.
>>
>> Those are just facts.
>
> And you posted it because?
>
> Remember, you concluded nothing...

Yes. I draw attention to an unusual silence.

On 2021-12-16 2:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-15 9:55 a.m., alister wrote:
>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>> In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the
>>>>> situation until after he was overtaken?
>>>>
>>>> He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by Verstappen,
>>>> but he was probably pretty focused until his last overtaking
>>>> opportunity went away, wouldn't you agree?
>>>>
>>> Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on
>>> his radio I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things
>>
>> But that's my point.
>>
>> When the situation change, he was still behind the pace car in a
>> situation that didn't yet require high levels of focus.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete
>>>>> fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars would
>>>> unlap themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
>>>>
>>>> I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game was
>>>> played and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in part
>>>> because he thought he could win anyway.
>>>>
>>>> But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all
>>>> along...
>>>>
>>>> ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation was
>>>> actually happening?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you answer that?
>>>
>>> no need - you did at the beginging of your post
>>> he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
>>> your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
>>> bullet meet foot :-)
>>
>> And before the pace car pulled away...
>>
>> ...when he was informed that the lapped traffic would be let by, and
>> he saw it happening—all while behind the pace car...
>>
>> ...where was the need for his focus at that point?
>
> ...and you conclude what exactly?
>

Answer my question first.

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-16 2:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-15 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2021-12-14 12:48 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lewis Hamilton.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haven't you made enough of a twat of yourself over the last
> > > > > > few days. You've done enough to win Twat of the Year many
> > > > > > times over already you can stop now, TOTY.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but I'm reporting the facts.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No, TOTY, you are just shit stirring making all sorts of
> > > > unwarranted and inane inferences.
> > >
> > > I've made no inferences at all, sunshine.
> > >
> >
> > Liar. If you had not come to some inane conclusion you would not be
> > making such a ridiculous post.
> >
> > You have made inferences about why he wasn't more vocal... if he
> > wasn't; that has not been established.
>
> That has been established. I watched the entire sequence from
> Latifi's crash to the end of the racing from Hamilton's in-car feed...
>
> ...which includes all his radio messages.
>

Prove it.

You have proven yourself dishonest and unreliable.

> >
> > Neither have you established that he knew the regs were being
> > ignored in those few seconds between the lapped cars passing and
> > the SC lights going out.
>
> Hamilton was informed that the 5 lapped cars would be let through at
> 1:37:50, and he sees the last go by at 1:38:06.
>
> So now he knows (because his engineer just told him) that Verstappen
> will be right behind him. Surely you're not arguing that Hamilton
> didn't know just letting 5 cars through was unusual, right?
>

Why would he know whether it was unusual or not?

If the regs were followed he and Verstappen would cross the line under
the SC.
If anything the cars unlapping should not have concerned him. Rather
they should have confirmed him as the winner.

> So why didn't he raise a question then?
>

Moot. First you have to establish whether he knew something unusual was
happening that would affect the result.

> Then the safety car coming in is told to him at 1:38:22, so he now
> knows that he will be in a one lap race against Verstappen.

So this is when he might really start thinking something is amiss...
but he would also be a little busy.

Do you remember some asshole inappropriately using the word omniscient
earlier; funny how such things come back to bite you.

>
> From the time he's told the safety car is coming in, he doesn't
> actually begin racing until 30 seconds later, and still he makes no
> comment.
>
> >
> > What you have established is the known fact that you will grasp at
> > anything no matter how vacuous other than the irregular actions of
> > the RD in not following the SC regulations as he has strictly done
> > previously.
>
> I've noted that the one person must affected by the unusual calls was
> Hamilton and he knew about the calls at a time when it would have
> been EASY for him to comment.
>
> >
> > > I've noted what actually happened.
> > >
> > > Hamilton was chatty and complaining about everything except what
> > > you say was such a terribly unfair thing.
> > >
> > > He only complained that it was unfair after he failed to prevent
> > > Verstappen from passing him and failed to retake the lead in the
> > > only places on the last lap where it was possible.
> > >
> > > Those are just facts.
> >
> > And you posted it because?
> >
> > Remember, you concluded nothing...
>
> Yes. I draw attention to an unusual silence.

Why? If you have no conclusion it is just worthless speculation.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-16 2:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-15 9:55 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
> > > > > > In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lewis Hamilton.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the
> > > > > > situation until after he was overtaken?
> > > > >
> > > > > He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by
> > > > > Verstappen, but he was probably pretty focused until his last
> > > > > overtaking opportunity went away, wouldn't you agree?
> > > > >
> > > > Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on
> > > > his radio I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things
> > >
> > > But that's my point.
> > >
> > > When the situation change, he was still behind the pace car in a
> > > situation that didn't yet require high levels of focus.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete
> > > > > > fuckwit.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars
> > > > > would unlap themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game
> > > > > was played and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in
> > > > > part because he thought he could win anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all
> > > > > along...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation
> > > > > was actually happening?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you answer that?
> > > >
> > > > no need - you did at the beginging of your post
> > > > he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
> > > > your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
> > > > bullet meet foot :-)
> > >
> > > And before the pace car pulled away...
> > >
> > > ...when he was informed that the lapped traffic would be let by,
> > > and he saw it happening—all while behind the pace car...
> > >
> > > ...where was the need for his focus at that point?
> >
> > ...and you conclude what exactly?
> >
>
> Answer my question first.

So you have no conclusions; just inane and irrelevant speculation.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-15 8:08 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > On 16/12/2021 1:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2021-12-15 3:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > On 16/12/2021 3:04 am, Dan the Man wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lewis Hamilton.
> > > > > True, though there was a lot of chatter with his crew about
> > > > > not getting new tires? HAM probably felt in his gut that he
> > > > > was a sitting duck once VER got the new softs while he was
> > > > > sitting on old hards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > Though he would have been OK from where he was with the 12 sec
> > > > lead.
> > >
> > > But while still behind the pace car, he knew that he wouldn't
> > > HAVE a 12 second lead.
> >
> > Yes, but expected to have a whatever-second lead with the lapped
> > cars in between, which would have been tenable for him  - and was
> > the call, prior to the RD's subsequent change of heart.
> >
> > Or would have expected to have the lapped cars let through and the
> > SC to pull in after the next lap as per the regs, or finish under
> > the SC.
>
> Right. And he got the news that all those "expected"s weren't what
> was going to happen...
>
> ...and he made no complaint. He didn't even question it.
>
> That's what makes me wonder what precisely the teams and Race
> Director had agreed beforehand.

No inferences, huh?

One stupid lie follows another.

Fuck me, I never had you down as one of these conspiracy theory
fuckwits but you are doing an excellent job of proving otherwise.

So what is the sum total of your evidence that Hamilton knew the
regulations were being abused?

>
> Hamilton got the news that you say he wouldn't have expected to get
> while he was still behind the safety car.
>
> While behind the safety car, he'd been grousing about safety car
> speed and asking about his situation with respect to Verstappen. He
> was even told it might finish under safety car. Then that all changes
> and he has nothing to say on the subject?
>
> Come on.

Come on what? What have you inferred?

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On 2021-12-17 4:19 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-16 2:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-15 9:55 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 14:44:35 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-14 2:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <spav8m$oep$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>> ...at least, until AFTER he was behind:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lewis Hamilton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you repeatedly make such a tit of yourself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you really suggesting that LH was quite happy with the
>>>>>>> situation until after he was overtaken?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He certainly wasn't happy after he was overtaken by
>>>>>> Verstappen, but he was probably pretty focused until his last
>>>>>> overtaking opportunity went away, wouldn't you agree?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, as sugested earlier far to focused to be making calls on
>>>>> his radio I am glad to see you are beining to comprehend things
>>>>
>>>> But that's my point.
>>>>
>>>> When the situation change, he was still behind the pace car in a
>>>> situation that didn't yet require high levels of focus.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can believe you believe that. You really are a complete
>>>>>>> fuckwit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that he was complaining over the radio about other
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But when he received the very late call that those 5 cars
>>>>>> would unlap themselves, he didn't so much as grunt in disgust.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm suggesting that he understood perfectly the way the game
>>>>>> was played and accepted the Race Director's call—probably in
>>>>>> part because he thought he could win anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if he thought the situation was being "manipulated" all
>>>>>> along...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...why was there no complaint when that supposed manipulation
>>>>>> was actually happening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you answer that?
>>>>>
>>>>> no need - you did at the beginging of your post
>>>>> he was focused on defending & then regaining his position
>>>>> your own statements demonstrate the stupidity of your claim
>>>>> bullet meet foot :-)
>>>>
>>>> And before the pace car pulled away...
>>>>
>>>> ...when he was informed that the lapped traffic would be let by,
>>>> and he saw it happening—all while behind the pace car...
>>>>
>>>> ...where was the need for his focus at that point?
>>>
>>> ...and you conclude what exactly?
>>>
>>
>> Answer my question first.
>
> So you have no conclusions; just inane and irrelevant speculation.
>

Why are you afraid to answer my question?