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 by: geoff - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:31 UTC

....hollow.

Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.

LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

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 by: texas gate - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:04 UTC

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 6:32:00 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
> ...hollow.
>
> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
> you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>
> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

speak english asshole

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 05:00 UTC

On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> ...hollow.
>
> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
> you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>
> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....

Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

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 by: geoff - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 05:11 UTC

On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> ...hollow.
>>
>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
>> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
>> you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>
>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>
> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

'One' ????

Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
starting on even-par with points.

geoff

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:07 UTC

On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
> On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> ...hollow.
>>>
>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
>>> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4
>>> if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>>
>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>
>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>
>
> 'One' ????

Yes. "One." As in:

"very WDC ever was one (a WDC).

>
> Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
> conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
> starting on even-par with points.

But there's a fallacy in there.

The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
wins the championship.

If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed
without much comment at all.

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 by: Bigbird - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:42 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > ...hollow.
> >
> > Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
> > car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
> > RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
> >
> > LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>
> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.

Define "other factors".

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 by: Bigbird - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:47 UTC

geoff wrote:

> ...hollow.
>
> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,

He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither
deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:49 UTC

On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> ...hollow.
>>>
>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>> car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
>>> RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>>
>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>
>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>
> Define "other factors".
>

Other contenders being crashed out.

Bad luck on safety car deployment

To pretend that the ONLY reasons that Hamilton isn't WDC is what
happened in the last race is absurd.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 15:50 UTC

On 2021-12-18 10:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>
>> ...hollow.
>>
>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
>
> He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
> a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
> While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
> far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither
> deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.
>
>

And I'd completely agree with that.

Both drivers had a great season.

Both drivers screwed up occasionally.

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 by: Bigbird - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:07 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > ...hollow.
> > > >
> > > > Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
> > > > car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
> > > > and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
> > > > position.
> > > >
> > > > LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
> > >
> > > Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
> >
> > Define "other factors".
> >
>
> Other contenders being crashed out.
>
> Bad luck on safety car deployment
>

"Every WDC ever"
Complete nonsense.
You are utterly clueless.

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:01 UTC

On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>>>> car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
>>>>> and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
>>>>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>>
>>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>>
>>> Define "other factors".
>>>
>>
>> Other contenders being crashed out.
>>
>> Bad luck on safety car deployment
>>
>
> "Every WDC ever"
> Complete nonsense.
> You are utterly clueless.
>

You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't have
outside factors help him win?

Name one.

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 by: Bigbird - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 17:25 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > > > ...hollow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes
> > > > > > of my car, but only because the actions of 3 other people.
> > > > > > LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs
> > > > > > and track position.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
> > > > >
> > > > > Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
> > > >
> > > > Define "other factors".
> > > >
> > >
> > > Other contenders being crashed out.
> > >
> > > Bad luck on safety car deployment
> > >
> >
> > "Every WDC ever"
> > Complete nonsense.
> > You are utterly clueless.
> >
>
> You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
> have outside factors help him win?
>
> Name one.

Most of MS's WDC. Try 2004.

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 by: alister - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:05 UTC

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 10:07:51 -0500, Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>
>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
>>>> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4
>>>> if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>>>
>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>
>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>
>>
>> 'One' ????
>
> Yes. "One." As in:
>
> "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).
>
>
>> Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
>> conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
>> starting on even-par with points.
>
> But there's a fallacy in there.
>
> The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
> wins the championship.
>
> If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed
> without much comment at all.

We both know there would have been lots of comment, but we would have
eventually move on.

I do agree that one race is no more important than any other though.

In my opinion the real event that cost lewis the champion ship was his
"Brake Magic" error & Baku, so I accept Max is a worthy champion.

this does not excuse Masi's mistake in interpreting the rules

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 by: leonard hofstatder - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:26 UTC

On 12/18/2021 11:01 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>>>>> car,  but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
>>>>>> and RD. 4 if  you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>>>
>>>> Define "other factors".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Other contenders being crashed out.
>>>
>>> Bad luck on safety car deployment
>>>
>>
>> "Every WDC ever"
>> Complete nonsense.
>> You are utterly clueless.
>>
>
> You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't have
> outside factors help him win?
>
> Name one.

Maybe every one clinched before the final race ?

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 by: Alan - Sat, 18 Dec 2021 20:31 UTC

On 2021-12-18 2:26 p.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 11:01 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>>>>>> car,  but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER,
>>>>>>> and RD. 4 if  you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track
>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "other factors".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other contenders being crashed out.
>>>>
>>>> Bad luck on safety car deployment
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Every WDC ever"
>>> Complete nonsense.
>>> You are utterly clueless.
>>>
>>
>> You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
>> have outside factors help him win?
>>
>> Name one.
>
>
> Maybe every one clinched before the final race ?
>

You think there weren't unusual incidents in those that led to the
eventual WDC gaining points or his rival failing too?

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On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 1:31:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> You think there weren't unusual incidents in those that led to the
> eventual WDC gaining points or his rival failing too?

speaking of unusual

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On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 8:07:54 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:

> >> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
> >
> >
> > 'One' ????

> Yes. "One." As in:
>
> "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).

you are a fucking moron

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 by: geoff - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:42 UTC

On 19/12/2021 4:07 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>
>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>>> car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
>>>> RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>>>
>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>
>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>
>>
>> 'One' ????
>
> Yes. "One." As in:
>
> "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).
>
>>
>> Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
>> conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
>> starting on even-par with points.
>
> But there's a fallacy in there.
>
> The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of who
> wins the championship.
>
> If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have passed
> without much comment at all.

I'm sure it would not have. The bizarre twist of the rules was bizarre
and would have been an issue in any race.

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:43 UTC

On 19/12/2021 4:49 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> ...hollow.
>>>>
>>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my
>>>> car,  but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and
>>>> RD. 4 if  you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>>>>
>>>> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>>>
>>> Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
>>
>> Define "other factors".
>>
>
> Other contenders being crashed out.
>
> Bad luck on safety car deployment
>
> To pretend that the ONLY reasons that Hamilton isn't WDC is what
> happened in the last race is absurd.

Every ? To quote you again "prove it".

geoff

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 by: geoff - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 10:45 UTC

On 19/12/2021 4:50 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 10:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> geoff wrote:
>>
>>> ...hollow.
>>>
>>> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
>>
>> He kind of did though didn't he. Those were the main reasons he was in
>> a position to be gifted the WDC by the RD.
>> While he did not do enough to win the race without FIA assistance, as
>> far as the WDC and the season goes, the solid consensus is that neither
>> deserved it more than the other based on their performances alone.
>>
>>
>
> And I'd completely agree with that.
>
> Both drivers had a great season.
>
> Both drivers screwed up occasionally.

And only one driver was gifted the WDC.

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 by: Bigbird - Sun, 19 Dec 2021 13:59 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 12:11 a.m., geoff wrote:
> > On 18/12/2021 6:00 pm, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > ...hollow.
> > > >
> > > > Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of
> > > > my car, but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT,
> > > > PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and
> > > > track position.
> > > >
> > > > LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
> > >
> > > Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
> >
> >
> > 'One' ????
>
> Yes. "One." As in:
>
> "very WDC ever was one (a WDC).
>
> >
> > Few (any ?) with so many conspiring (not using the term in a
> > conspirational sense) external factors in a last race with leaders
> > starting on even-par with points.
>
> But there's a fallacy in there.
>
> The last race is no more important than the first race in terms of
> who wins the championship.
>

That in itself is a fallacious argument. These are not independent
events and when the last race becomes the championship decider then it
is all important.
The first race will never be considered the championship decider in
advance.

> If this had happened earlier in the season, I think it would have
> passed without much comment at all.

Just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

It goes without saying that the importance would not be as obvious to
many a casual viewers nor someone like yourself with an inability to
grasp the meaning of regulations written in clear English and similarly
would be less newsworthy but those with an interest in the sport and
consistent implementation of the regulations would be commenting on
this abuse of procedure at least as much as they do for more subjective
implementations.

IOW it would be as controversial a decision at any time of the year.

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 by: Bigbird - Mon, 20 Dec 2021 09:49 UTC

Bigbird wrote:

> Alan wrote:
>
> > On 2021-12-18 11:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > Alan wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2021-12-18 10:42 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2021-12-17 8:31 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > ...hollow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes
> > > > > > > of my car, but only because the actions of 3 other
> > > > > > > people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if you include Merc's bad
> > > > > > > luck wrt SCs and track position.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Every WDC ever was one because of other factors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Define "other factors".
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Other contenders being crashed out.
> > > >
> > > > Bad luck on safety car deployment
> > > >
> > >
> > > "Every WDC ever"
> > > Complete nonsense.
> > > You are utterly clueless.
> > >
> >
> > You think there was a single WDC decided where the champion didn't
> > have outside factors help him win?
> >
> > Name one.
>
> Most of MS's WDC. Try 2004.

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 by: rtr - Wed, 26 Jan 2022 13:39 UTC

On 2021-12-18, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> ...hollow.
>
> Winning the WDC not because of my skill and the attributes of my car,
> but only because the actions of 3 other people. LAT, PER, and RD. 4 if
> you include Merc's bad luck wrt SCs and track position.
>
> LAT unfortunate, PER epic, and RD ....
>
> geoff

I don't think so. He's done what he could to be in the right moment.
He's been pulling PBs up until the LAT crash.

He's earned it. He's also very stellar last season.

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