Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/

build

On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>
> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>
> build

Indeed.

"It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."

Or to put it in fuller context:

"It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has a
habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal with
them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do what he
felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was no-one’s
fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear Max complain
again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want Christian Horner to
learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the FIA Stewards event
later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with grace and style. Toto and
his cohorts reacted as one would expect them to react, but is appealing
the various decisions going to help F1? No, probably not. It was the
sporting gods having their say. Losing with grace is better than losing
with lawyers. But I feel their pain. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right,
but it was the way the rules are."

Alan wrote:

>
> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
>

As rewritten retrospectively ignoring normal English usage.

Nothing is "not within the rules" when they are prepared to do that.

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On 12/18/2021 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>
>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>
>>
>> build
>
> Indeed.
>
> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
>
> Or to put it in fuller context:
>
> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has a
> habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal with
> them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do what he
> felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was no-one’s
> fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear Max complain
> again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want Christian Horner to
> learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the FIA Stewards event
> later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with grace and style. Toto and
> his cohorts reacted as one would expect them to react, but is appealing
> the various decisions going to help F1? No, probably not. It was the
> sporting gods having their say. Losing with grace is better than losing
> with lawyers. But I feel their pain. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right,
> but it was the way the rules are."

No, the rule changed with one lap to go. EOS

On 2021-12-18 11:14 a.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
> On 12/18/2021 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
>>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>>
>>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>>
>>>
>>> build
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
>>
>> Or to put it in fuller context:
>>
>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has a
>> habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal
>> with them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do
>> what he felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was
>> no-one’s fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear Max
>> complain again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want
>> Christian Horner to learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the
>> FIA Stewards event later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with grace
>> and style. Toto and his cohorts reacted as one would expect them to
>> react, but is appealing the various decisions going to help F1? No,
>> probably not. It was the sporting gods having their say. Losing with
>> grace is better than losing with lawyers. But I feel their pain. It
>> wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, but it was the way the rules are."
>
>
> No, the rule changed with one lap to go. EOS

Who to believe:

The F1 journalist who's been covering the sport since 1988...

....or you?

:-)

Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 11:14 a.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
> > On 12/18/2021 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:
> > > On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
> > > > Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi
> > > > race.
> > > >
> > > > https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a
> > > > -quiet-forest-in-normandy/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > build
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > > "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
> > >
> > > Or to put it in fuller context:
> > >
> > > "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport
> > > has a habit of creating such insane situations and referees have
> > > to deal with them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he
> > > has to do what he felt was best was the World Championship. What
> > > happened was no-one’s fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I
> > > never want to hear Max complain again that the FIA has got it in
> > > for him, and I want Christian Horner to learn a lot about
> > > stewarding when he attends the FIA Stewards event later this
> > > winter. Lewis took his defeat with grace and style. Toto and his
> > > cohorts reacted as one would expect them to react, but is
> > > appealing the various decisions going to help F1? No, probably
> > > not. It was the sporting gods having their say. Losing with
> > > grace is better than losing with lawyers. But I feel their pain.
> > > It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, but it was the way the rules
> > > are."
> >
> >
> > No, the rule changed with one lap to go. EOS
>
> Who to believe:
>
> The F1 journalist who's been covering the sport since 1988...
>
> ...or you?
>

Ignoring the dozens of other journalists in favour of one who has not
even acknowledged that it is not just "normal practice" but the regs
that overtly state procedures that were not followed.

When you go weak and low there is no scraping you up of the tarmac.

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Sat, 18 Dec 2021 12:00:27 -0500, w <spl43b$t7l$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan
<nope@nope.com> napisał(-a):

> Who to believe:
>
> The F1 journalist who's been covering the sport since 1988...
>
> ...or you?
>
> :-)

Journalist are now experts? :D

build <buildy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>
> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>
> build
>

“It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules”

No it wasn’t. The rules are quite clear and Masi chose to disregard them.
In many ways the rules protect the Race Director, all he has to do is to
follow them and he cannot be blamed for the outcome. As it was Masi chose
to change them and thus brought down massive opprobrium on

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On 2021-12-18 1:20 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> build <buildy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>
>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>
>> build
>>
>
> “It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules”
>
> No it wasn’t. The rules are quite clear and Masi chose to disregard them.
> In many ways the rules protect the Race Director, all he has to do is to
> follow them and he cannot be blamed for the outcome. As it was Masi chose
> to change them and thus brought down massive opprobrium on
>

The FIA disagrees with you as Mercedes protests were dismissed.

On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> The FIA disagrees with you as Mercedes protests were dismissed.

You're an idiot.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:22:30 -0500, Alan wrote:

> On 2021-12-18 1:20 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>> build <buildy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>>
>>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-
quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>>
>>> build
>>>
>>>
>> “It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules”
>>
>> No it wasn’t. The rules are quite clear and Masi chose to disregard
>> them.
>> In many ways the rules protect the Race Director, all he has to do is
>> to follow them and he cannot be blamed for the outcome. As it was Masi
>> chose to change them and thus brought down massive opprobrium on
>>
>>
> The FIA disagrees with you as Mercedes protests were dismissed.

only with a dubious interpretation of 48.13
"When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car
the message "SAFETY CAR
IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging
system and the car's orange
lights will be extinguished. This will be the signal to the Competitors
and drivers that it will be
entering the pit lane at the end of that lap."
& suggesting that this superceeds 48.12's "Following lap" stipulation.

to anyone with half a brain it is ovbvious that this has been miss-used as
a means to cover up the mistake Masi made whilst trying to get a racing
finish.

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alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:22:30 -0500, Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2021-12-18 1:20 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>> build <buildy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>>>
>>>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-
> quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>>>
>>>> build
>>>>
>>>>
>>> “It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules”
>>>
>>> No it wasn’t. The rules are quite clear and Masi chose to disregard
>>> them.
>>> In many ways the rules protect the Race Director, all he has to do is
>>> to follow them and he cannot be blamed for the outcome. As it was Masi
>>> chose to change them and thus brought down massive opprobrium on
>>>
>>>
>> The FIA disagrees with you as Mercedes protests were dismissed.
>
>
> only with a dubious interpretation of 48.13
> "When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car
> the message "SAFETY CAR
> IN THIS LAP" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging
> system and the car's orange
> lights will be extinguished. This will be the signal to the Competitors
> and drivers that it will be
> entering the pit lane at the end of that lap."
> & suggesting that this superceeds 48.12's "Following lap" stipulation.
>
> to anyone with half a brain it is ovbvious that this has been miss-used as
> a means to cover up the mistake Masi made whilst trying to get a racing
> finish.
>
Exactly.

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On 19/12/2021 6:00 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2021-12-18 11:14 a.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
>> On 12/18/2021 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
>>>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race.
>>>>
>>>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> build
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
>>>
>>> Or to put it in fuller context:
>>>
>>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has
>>> a habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal
>>> with them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do
>>> what he felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was
>>> no-one’s fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear
>>> Max complain again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want
>>> Christian Horner to learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the
>>> FIA Stewards event later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with
>>> grace and style. Toto and his cohorts reacted as one would expect
>>> them to react, but is appealing the various decisions going to help
>>> F1? No, probably not. It was the sporting gods having their say.
>>> Losing with grace is better than losing with lawyers. But I feel
>>> their pain. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, but it was the way
>>> the rules are."
>>
>>
>> No, the rule changed with one lap to go. EOS
>
> Who to believe:
>
> The F1 journalist who's been covering the sport since 1988...
>
> ...or you?
>
> :-)

You are quite happy to disbelieve other similarly-experienced journos
who don't happen to push the same barrow as you ....

geoff

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 7:48:59 AM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
> On 19/12/2021 6:00 am, Alan wrote:
> > On 2021-12-18 11:14 a.m., leonard hofstatder wrote:
> >> On 12/18/2021 9:47 AM, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2021-12-18 5:17 a.m., build wrote:
> >>>> Joe as usual does an excellent job of summarising the Abu Dhabi race..
> >>>>
> >>>> https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2021/12/14/green-notebook-from-a-quiet-forest-in-normandy/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> build
> >>>
> >>> Indeed.
> >>>
> >>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules."
> >>>
> >>> Or to put it in fuller context:
> >>>
> >>> "It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has
> >>> a habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal
> >>> with them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do
> >>> what he felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was
> >>> no-one’s fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear
> >>> Max complain again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want
> >>> Christian Horner to learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the
> >>> FIA Stewards event later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with
> >>> grace and style. Toto and his cohorts reacted as one would expect
> >>> them to react, but is appealing the various decisions going to help
> >>> F1? No, probably not. It was the sporting gods having their say.
> >>> Losing with grace is better than losing with lawyers. But I feel
> >>> their pain. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, but it was the way
> >>> the rules are."
> >>
> >>
> >> No, the rule changed with one lap to go. EOS
> >
> > Who to believe:
> >
> > The F1 journalist who's been covering the sport since 1988...
> >
> > ...or you?
> >
> > :-)
> You are quite happy to disbelieve other similarly-experienced journos
> who don't happen to push the same barrow as you ....
>
> geoff

Who are these journos ? Let's look at them and what they say.

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