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 by: Alan - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 03:43 UTC

....it's just too bad so many of you don't.

'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps pressured
into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'

<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>

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 by: Bigbird - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 07:16 UTC

Alan wrote:

> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>
> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps pressured
> into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>
>
<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>

Eh? What is it that you think only you in your conceited little world
"get"?

I think perhaps you have twisted things in your silly little head.

If you are so in sync with Toto then perhaps you "get" that he blames
the RD for a bad decision and that he is not up to the job.

“Stefano [Domenicali, F1 CEO] is a real racing man and would not be
interested in intervening in the races for the entertainment factor.

“I can’t judge the pressure the race director is under at the time, but
the rules are the rules.”

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 by: texas gate - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:43 UTC

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:43:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.

go fuck your pathetic self
you fucking piece of shit

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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:43:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> ...it's just too bad

please take care of yourself during this difficult
do not do anything stupid
you stupid cunt

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 by: Alan - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 18:12 UTC

On 2022-01-05 11:16 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>>
>> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps pressured
>> into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>>
>>
> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>
>
> Eh? What is it that you think only you in your conceited little world
> "get"?
>
> I think perhaps you have twisted things in your silly little head.
>
> If you are so in sync with Toto then perhaps you "get" that he blames
> the RD for a bad decision and that he is not up to the job.
>
> “Stefano [Domenicali, F1 CEO] is a real racing man and would not be
> interested in intervening in the races for the entertainment factor.
>
> “I can’t judge the pressure the race director is under at the time, but
> the rules are the rules.”

You get that those comments confirm what I was saying, right?

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 by: texas gate - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 18:34 UTC

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:12:41 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> You get that those comments confirm what I was saying, right?

you are a confirmed fucking moron

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 by: alister - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 22:06 UTC

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:

> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>
> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps pressured
> into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>
> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>

I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race fizzle
out under a safety car"
Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message was
brodcast so there is no doubt about that)

and Wolf was doing his own pressurizing earlier on (also Broadcast)
as other said previously that needs to stop.

--
Oh this age! How tasteless and ill-bred it is.
-- Gaius Valerius Catullus

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 by: Alan - Thu, 6 Jan 2022 22:17 UTC

On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
>
>> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>>
>> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps pressured
>> into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>>
>> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>
> I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race fizzle
> out under a safety car"
> Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message was
> brodcast so there is no doubt about that)

Did you read what was in the article?

Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.

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 by: Alan LeHun - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 01:24 UTC

In article <sr7pqi$ng$2@gioia.aioe.org>, nope@nope.com says...
> Did you read what was in the article?
>
> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
>

What? He was?

I think you're reading something that isn't there.

The pressure that Toto was referring to inesho, came from the team
directors against the background (not mentioned) of a Team Directors
meeting previously where it was agreed that where possible, races should
finish under race conditions.

In the article quoted, Toto says "The whole decision-making system must
be improved". As Masi was at the very top of this decision-making system
it is difficult to infer how he could be referring to pressure 'from
above' Masi.

In other articles, Toto has suggested that Teams should no longer be
allowed to converse with the RD directly during races so any clarity as
to where Toto thinks the pressure is coming from can be inferred from
that.

There is absolutely nothing in the article that suggests Toto was
referring to pressure 'from above'.

--
Alan LeHun

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 by: texas gate - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 01:30 UTC

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 3:17:56 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Did you read what was in the article?

none of your fucking business
you weird ass fucking cock sucker

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 by: texas gate - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 01:33 UTC

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 6:24:40 PM UTC-7, Alan LeHun wrote:

> I think you're reading something that isn't there.

yup, he's just trolling

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 by: Bigbird - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:22 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-01-05 11:16 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > >
> > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
> > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
> > >
> > >
> >
<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
> >
> >
> > Eh? What is it that you think only you in your conceited little
> > world "get"?
> >
> > I think perhaps you have twisted things in your silly little head.
> >
> > If you are so in sync with Toto then perhaps you "get" that he
> > blames the RD for a bad decision and that he is not up to the job.
> >
> > “Stefano [Domenicali, F1 CEO] is a real racing man and would not be
> > interested in intervening in the races for the entertainment factor.
> >
> > “I can’t judge the pressure the race director is under at the time,
> > but the rules are the rules.”
>
> You get that those comments confirm what I was saying, right?

I don't know what you are trying to say... perhaps "water is wet".

As always you are mealy mouthed and vague.

What I do know is that I quoted Toto; who did you quote?

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 by: Bigbird - Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >
> > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > >
> > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
> > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
> > >
> > >
<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
> >
> > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race
> > fizzle out under a safety car"
> > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio
> > message was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
>
> Did you read what was in the article?
>
> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.

Toto?

Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".

You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed about
the culpability of the RD, right?

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 by: alister - Sun, 9 Jan 2022 10:45 UTC

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:

> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
>> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
>> >
>> > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>> > >
>> > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
>> > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>> > >
>> > >
> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
>> > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>> >
>> > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race
>> > fizzle out under a safety car"
>> > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message
>> > was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
>>
>> Did you read what was in the article?
>>
>> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
>
> Toto?
>
> Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
>
> You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed about
> the culpability of the RD, right?

Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes (or in
this case days) after he has lost the argument

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 by: Alan - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:56 UTC

On 2022-01-09 2:45 a.m., alister wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
>
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
>>>>> pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
>>>> Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>>>>
>>>> I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race
>>>> fizzle out under a safety car"
>>>> Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message
>>>> was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
>>>
>>> Did you read what was in the article?
>>>
>>> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
>>
>> Toto?
>>
>> Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
>>
>> You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed about
>> the culpability of the RD, right?
>
> Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes (or in
> this case days) after he has lost the argument
>
>
>
>

I don't see how pointing out the obvious that you all seem to miss is
saying "another thing".

:-)

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 by: Bigbird - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:35 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-01-09 2:45 a.m., alister wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
> >
> > > Alan wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
> > > > > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> > > > > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
> > > > >
> > > > > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the
> > > > > race fizzle out under a safety car"
> > > > > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio
> > > > > message was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
> > > >
> > > > Did you read what was in the article?
> > > >
> > > > Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
> > >
> > > Toto?
> > >
> > > Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
> > >
> > > You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed
> > > about the culpability of the RD, right?
> >
> > Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes
> > (or in this case days) after he has lost the argument
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't see how pointing out the obvious that you all seem to miss is
> saying "another thing".
>

Yet that is not what you have done, is it.

If you thought you had you wouldn't continue to be so mealy mouthed.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 10 Jan 2022 22:11 UTC

On 2022-01-10 5:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-01-09 2:45 a.m., alister wrote:
>>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
>>>>>>> pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
>>>>>> Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the
>>>>>> race fizzle out under a safety car"
>>>>>> Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio
>>>>>> message was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you read what was in the article?
>>>>>
>>>>> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
>>>>
>>>> Toto?
>>>>
>>>> Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
>>>>
>>>> You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed
>>>> about the culpability of the RD, right?
>>>
>>> Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes
>>> (or in this case days) after he has lost the argument
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't see how pointing out the obvious that you all seem to miss is
>> saying "another thing".
>>
>
> Yet that is not what you have done, is it.
>
> If you thought you had you wouldn't continue to be so mealy mouthed.
>

How is what I said, "mealy mouthed"?

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 by: Bigbird - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:44 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-01-10 5:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-01-09 2:45 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was
> > > > > > > > perhaps pressured into stopping the race fizzling out
> > > > > > > > via race car.'
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
<https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> > > > > > > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-dr
> > > > > > > ama>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let
> > > > > > > the race fizzle out under a safety car"
> > > > > > > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners
> > > > > > > radio message was brodcast so there is no doubt about
> > > > > > > that)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did you read what was in the article?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
> > > > >
> > > > > Toto?
> > > > >
> > > > > Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
> > > > >
> > > > > You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you
> > > > > claimed about the culpability of the RD, right?
> > > >
> > > > Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes
> > > > (or in this case days) after he has lost the argument
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't see how pointing out the obvious that you all seem to
> > > miss is saying "another thing".
> > >
> >
> > Yet that is not what you have done, is it.
> >
> > If you thought you had you wouldn't continue to be so mealy mouthed.
> >
>
> How is what I said, "mealy mouthed"?

....because you have said nothing lucid or rational and you refuse to
answer any questions which seek to clarify your comments.

You have posted one falsely attributed quote and an unsupported
nonsensical claim.

Indeed you have referenced an article that contradicts your previous
position claiming it does the opposite.

If you disagree you are mealy mouthed then state clearly what you are
attempting to convey by your confused and inaccurate OP.

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 by: Bigbird - Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:48 UTC

Bigbird wrote:

> Alan wrote:
>
> > On 2022-01-10 5:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > Alan wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-01-09 2:45 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was
> > > > > > > > > perhaps pressured into stopping the race fizzling out
> > > > > > > > > via race car.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> > > > > > > > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-
> > > > > > > > dr ama>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let
> > > > > > > > the race fizzle out under a safety car"
> > > > > > > > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners
> > > > > > > > radio message was brodcast so there is no doubt about
> > > > > > > > that)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you read what was in the article?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Toto?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you
> > > > > > claimed about the culpability of the RD, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30
> > > > > minutes (or in this case days) after he has lost the argument
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't see how pointing out the obvious that you all seem to
> > > > miss is saying "another thing".
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yet that is not what you have done, is it.
> > >
> > > If you thought you had you wouldn't continue to be so mealy
> > > mouthed.
> > >
> >
> > How is what I said, "mealy mouthed"?
>
> ...because you have said nothing lucid or rational and you refuse to
> answer any questions which seek to clarify your comments.
>
> You have posted one falsely attributed quote and an unsupported
> nonsensical claim.
>
> Indeed you have referenced an article that contradicts your previous
> position claiming it does the opposite.
>
> If you disagree you are mealy mouthed then state clearly what you are
> attempting to convey by your confused and inaccurate OP.

<crickets>

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On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 1:48:30 PM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:

> <crickets>

fuck off stupid

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 by: build - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 00:29 UTC

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 9:45:26 PM UTC+11, alister wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
>
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> >> > >
> >> > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
> >> > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
> >> > >
> >> > >
> > <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
> >> > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
> >> >
> >> > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race
> >> > fizzle out under a safety car"
> >> > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message
> >> > was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
> >>
> >> Did you read what was in the article?
> >>
> >> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
> >
> > Toto?
> >
> > Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
> >
> > You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed about
> > the culpability of the RD, right?
> Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes (or in
> this case days) after he has lost the argument

No he has not lost the argument. He has been drowned out by the HamFans.
If you have not noticed, it seems he is the only non-HamFan here.

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On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 5:29:32 PM UTC-7, build wrote:

> No he has not lost the argument. He has been drowned out by the HamFans.
> If you have not noticed, it seems he is the only non-HamFan here.

holy fucking troll
alan is waiting for your sweet asshole

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 by: Alan - Sat, 15 Jan 2022 04:14 UTC

On 2022-01-14 4:29 p.m., build wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 9:45:26 PM UTC+11, alister wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
>>
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
>>>>>> pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilton-
>>>>> Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the race
>>>>> fizzle out under a safety car"
>>>>> Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio message
>>>>> was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
>>>>
>>>> Did you read what was in the article?
>>>>
>>>> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
>>>
>>> Toto?
>>>
>>> Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
>>>
>>> You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed about
>>> the culpability of the RD, right?
>> Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes (or in
>> this case days) after he has lost the argument
>
> No he has not lost the argument. He has been drowned out by the HamFans.
> If you have not noticed, it seems he is the only non-HamFan here.
>

I'm not particularly a Hamilton fan...

....but I don't hate him or even dislike him.

I just recognize that his success has been hugely driven by being in the
best car (often by a good margin) in pretty much every championship he's
won.

It's going to be very interesting to see how next season unfolds, when
Russell is in the second Mercedes.

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In article <ec51e0f7-fcf5-46c3-83e4-1ed8631c5026n@googlegroups.com>,
buildy@gmail.com says...
> No he has not lost the argument.
>

Then perhaps you would care to show us all exactly where Toto supports
Bakers assertions by claiming 'pressure from above' in the article
linked to.

Because that /is/ the argument here.

--
Alan LeHun
Not a Hamfan.

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 by: Bigbird - Sun, 16 Jan 2022 01:18 UTC

build wrote:

> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 9:45:26 PM UTC+11, alister wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:24:19 -0000 (UTC), Bigbird wrote:
> >
> > > Alan wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2022-01-06 2:06 p.m., alister wrote:
> > >> > On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 19:43:32 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > ...it's just too bad so many of you don't.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 'Wolff refutes this, although he believes Masi was perhaps
> > >> > > pressured into stopping the race fizzling out via race car.'
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > > <https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1545056/Lewis-Hamilt
> > > on-
> > >> > Max-Verstappen-Toto-Wolff-Michael-Masi-latest-Abu-Dhabi-drama>
> > >> >
> > >> > I would agree that Masi was being pressured to "not let the
> > race >> > fizzle out under a safety car"
> > >> > Red bull were doing a lot of that pressurizing (Horners radio
> > message >> > was brodcast so there is no doubt about that)
> > >>
> > >> Did you read what was in the article?
> > >>
> > >> Toto was clearly referring to pressure from above.
> > >
> > > Toto?
> > >
> > > Quote what Toto said that makes that "clear".
> > >
> > > You understand that Toto was contradicting everything you claimed
> > > about the culpability of the RD, right?
> > Baker is simply an old man saying "And another thing" 30 minutes
> > (or in this case days) after he has lost the argument
>
> No he has not lost the argument. He has been drowned out by the
> HamFans. If you have not noticed, it seems he is the only non-HamFan
> here.

You're wrong.

He had plenty of opportunity to respond to arguments but chose to run
away instead, He has then raised his head again with the nonsensical
OP, making invalid claims and has again run away without responding to
requests that he make his case instead of being mealy mouthed.

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