Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>
The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:28:17 PM UTC-7, fnot wrote:

> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.

Indycar?

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be absorbed without over stressing the car.

On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
>> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>
>
> Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
> and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
> the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
> shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
> loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
> new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
> absorbed without over stressing the car.

Wow.

There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

The thing that is right is that this will have a profound effect on the
design of the suspension.

However!

"Since there are no shocks as such"

1. They're called "dampers" not "shock[ absorber]s" and there is a very
good reason for that. They never did absorb shocks. Read any serious
treatise on suspension and you'll learn that.

2. There most certainly ARE dampers in the system. The purpose of
dampers is to take energy out of the suspension (in the form of heat),
so that the suspension doesn't continue to oscillate after encountering
a bump.

3. The part about "over stressing" the car is the easiest to deal with.
The designers are more than able to calculate the forces put into the
tires, suspension components and chassis.

What the difference that new wheel/tire package will make is that the
actual suspension of the car will need to do more of the compliance over
bumps and less of it will be done in the flexing of the sidewalls (which
both act as springs and have damping in the form of hysteresis in the
compound).

The suspension engineers will have to throw out what they've understood
about how much compliance over the road irregularities comes from the
tire and learn how much more they'll need to build into the traditional
springs and dampers.

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Wow.
>
> There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
> but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

You miserable piece of shit.
Fucking cock sucking cunt.
Start your own thread on the 2022 regs.
But no. Too fucking stupid and a
useless trolling idiot.
Fuck off on and die asshole.

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Wow.

faggot

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> However!

faggot

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

fuck off you piece of shit

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
> but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

you fucking cocking sucking annoying faggot

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

you fucking asshole
someone starts a thread on the 2022 regs
and you reply like a deluxe fucking cunt
go fuck yourself
you fucking idiot

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> However!

take your gay ass exclamation mark
and shove it up
your queer ass rotten pussy

On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> >> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
> >> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> >
> >
> > Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
> > and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
> > the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
> > shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
> > loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
> > new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
> > absorbed without over stressing the car.
> Wow.
>
> There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
> but not for all the wrong reasons presented.
>
> The thing that is right is that this will have a profound effect on the
> design of the suspension.
>
> However!
> "Since there are no shocks as such"
> 1. They're called "dampers" not "shock[ absorber]s" and there is a very
> good reason for that. They never did absorb shocks. Read any serious
> treatise on suspension and you'll learn that.
>
> 2. There most certainly ARE dampers in the system. The purpose of
> dampers is to take energy out of the suspension (in the form of heat),
> so that the suspension doesn't continue to oscillate after encountering
> a bump.
>
> 3. The part about "over stressing" the car is the easiest to deal with.
> The designers are more than able to calculate the forces put into the
> tires, suspension components and chassis.
>
> What the difference that new wheel/tire package will make is that the
> actual suspension of the car will need to do more of the compliance over
> bumps and less of it will be done in the flexing of the sidewalls (which
> both act as springs and have damping in the form of hysteresis in the
> compound).
>
> The suspension engineers will have to throw out what they've understood
> about how much compliance over the road irregularities comes from the
> tire and learn how much more they'll need to build into the traditional
> springs and dampers.

As long as there is no risky passing right?
You fucking faggot

In article <srknqt$1c4b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan says...
>
> On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> >> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
> >> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> >
> >
> > Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
> > and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
> > the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
> > shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
> > loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
> > new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
> > absorbed without over stressing the car.
>
> Wow.

Proper dick response.

There's no shocks, they're called dampers.

Have a look at yourself!

On 2022-01-12 5:16 p.m., petrolcan wrote:
> In article <srknqt$1c4b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan says...
>>
>> On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
>>>> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
>>> and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
>>> the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
>>> shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
>>> loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
>>> new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
>>> absorbed without over stressing the car.
>>
>> Wow.
>
> Proper dick response.
>
> There's no shocks, they're called dampers.

Which is what I told him.

On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 8:41:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Which is what I told him.

you fucking cunt

What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at testing with a better mousetrap?

On 2022-01-14 11:07 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're
> supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car
> run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
> will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
> testing with a better mousetrap?

I think that the FIA has a bunch of clever people working for them who
understand the problem...

....but the F1 teams have the cleverest people working in motorsports,
and more of them.

Yes: the rule changes will help... ...some.

But the chances are very good that the engineering staff of the teams
will find ways to design the cars that subvert the changes at least to
some degree.

On 1/14/2022 2:07 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
> What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at testing with a better mousetrap?

Ah, yes. All hail CFD.

The vaunted CDW "Centreline Downwash Wing" was such a success!

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:22:20 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-01-14 11:07 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're
> > supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car
> > run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
> > will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
> > testing with a better mousetrap?
> I think that the FIA has a bunch of clever people working for them who
> understand the problem...
>
> ...but the F1 teams have the cleverest people working in motorsports,
> and more of them.
>
> Yes: the rule changes will help... ...some.
>
> But the chances are very good that the engineering staff of the teams
> will find ways to design the cars that subvert the changes at least to
> some degree.

And they've had an extra year to perfect the design. Can't wait to see what happens at the test days.

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero changes.

On 17/01/2022 10:02 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>
> Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero changes.
Solely increased lap times are not the objective.

geoff

On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
>> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>
> Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
> final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
> enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
> more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
> changes.

How do you figure that?

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
> >> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
> >> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> >
> > Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
> > final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
> > enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
> > more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
> > changes.
> How do you figure that?

Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.

On 2022-01-18 10:42 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
>>>> the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>
>>> Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
>>> final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
>>> enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
>>> more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
>>> changes.
>> How do you figure that?
>
>
> Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.

And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.

Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
tires off the track.