On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> You're not just a liar..
>
> ...you're a bad liar.
>
> <su3qk8$10g3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>
>
> That's the message ID.
>
> If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on that,
> then show me the message ID of your reply.

get help ffs
and they let you on the track?

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order but you thoughts on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the effect of the of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various rule changes for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is paused for now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the new season starts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be looking forward to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 2022 season began in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte Carlo. Also using new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denying it--but the one thing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “time” gets the top “position”, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is what they are interested in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against each other car-to-car with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > many passes you see; it's a race against
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the clock.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > never seem to get is that context matters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > between racing and other forms for reasons of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > safety.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > attack are "racing" against the clock.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because of that fact, the rules for the level
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of safety equipment are different than they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are for those used for the very same cars if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the
> > > > > > > > > > > rules are for racing?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
> > > > > > > > > > you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
> > > > > > > > > > assertion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
> > > > > > > > > know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes or no.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
> > > > > > > > deflecting?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
> > > > > > > whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
> > > > > > > motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
> > > > > > > between racing and time attack.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
> > > > > > one common to the context.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
> > > > > > some rules that are not common reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
> > > > > > words.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
> > > > > > has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
> > > > > > poster use of the word "race".
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes or no?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A resounding NO!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not Surprised!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
> > > > > the relevant citation.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did respond.
> > >
> > > You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
> > > sources you asked for.
> >
> > I responded above, in this branch.
> >
>
> You're not just a liar..
>
> ...you're a bad liar.
>
> <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
>
> That's the message ID.
>
> If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
> that, then show me the message ID of your reply.

On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the new season starts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be looking forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the 2022 season began in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monte Carlo. Also using new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “time” gets the top “position”, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is what they are interested in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against each other car-to-car with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many passes you see; it's a race against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never seem to get is that context matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between racing and other forms for reasons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack are "racing" against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of that fact, the rules for the level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of safety equipment are different than they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are for those used for the very same cars if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules are for racing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
>>>>>>>>>>> you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
>>>>>>>>>>> assertion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
>>>>>>>>>> know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
>>>>>>>>> deflecting?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
>>>>>>>> whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
>>>>>>>> motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
>>>>>>>> between racing and time attack.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
>>>>>>> one common to the context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
>>>>>>> some rules that are not common reference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
>>>>>>> words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
>>>>>>> has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
>>>>>>> poster use of the word "race".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A resounding NO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not Surprised!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
>>>>>> the relevant citation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did respond.
>>>>
>>>> You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
>>>> sources you asked for.
>>>
>>> I responded above, in this branch.
>>>
>>
>> You're not just a liar..
>>
>> ...you're a bad liar.
>>
>> <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
>>
>> That's the message ID.
>>
>> If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
>> that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
>
> Showing your dishonesty yet again.
>
> "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>
> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
>
> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
> relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word
> "race"."
>

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the of the various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rule changes for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > racing in the world is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paused for now. When the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new season starts I'll be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking forward to more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WRC and the 2022 season
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > began in Monte Carlo. Also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using new cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > denying it--but the one thing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compete for position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “time” gets the top “position”,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is what they are interested
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against each other car-to-car with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overtaking, draughting, weaving,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dodging, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how many passes you see; it's a race
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against the clock.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you never seem to get is that context
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between racing and other forms for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasons of safety.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attack are "racing" against the clock.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of that fact, the rules for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > level of safety equipment are different
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than they are for those used for the very
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same cars if they are competing in an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ACTUAL race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cite?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rules are for racing?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
> > > > > > > > > > > > or can you NOT provide a cite to support your
> > > > > > > > > > > > non-literal assertion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
> > > > > > > > > > > know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes or no.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
> > > > > > > > > > deflecting?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
> > > > > > > > > whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
> > > > > > > > > motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
> > > > > > > > > between racing and time attack.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
> > > > > > > > is one common to the context.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > LOL.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
> > > > > > > > of some rules that are not common reference.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The rules you may or may not be referring to are
> > > > > > > > irrelevant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
> > > > > > > > any words.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The may or may not contain their own definitions but
> > > > > > > > that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
> > > > > > > > another poster use of the word "race".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes or no?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A resounding NO!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not Surprised!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
> > > > > > > found the relevant citation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did respond.
> > > > >
> > > > > You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
> > > > > sources you asked for.
> > > >
> > > > I responded above, in this branch.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You're not just a liar..
> > >
> > > ...you're a bad liar.
> > >
> > > <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
> > >
> > > That's the message ID.
> > >
> > > If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
> > > that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
> >
> > Showing your dishonesty yet again.
> >
> > "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
> >
> > They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
> >
> > The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
> > relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
> > word "race"."
> >
>
> They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.

On 2022-02-21 3:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finishing order but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the of the various
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rule changes for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing in the world is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paused for now. When the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new season starts I'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WRC and the 2022 season
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began in Monte Carlo. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “time” gets the top “position”,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is what they are interested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against each other car-to-car with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overtaking, draughting, weaving,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how many passes you see; it's a race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you never seem to get is that context
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between racing and other forms for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons of safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attack are "racing" against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of that fact, the rules for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of safety equipment are different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than they are for those used for the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same cars if they are competing in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ACTUAL race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules are for racing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or can you NOT provide a cite to support your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-literal assertion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
>>>>>>>>>>> deflecting?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
>>>>>>>>>> whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
>>>>>>>>>> motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
>>>>>>>>>> between racing and time attack.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
>>>>>>>>> is one common to the context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
>>>>>>>>> of some rules that are not common reference.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The rules you may or may not be referring to are
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
>>>>>>>>> any words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The may or may not contain their own definitions but
>>>>>>>>> that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
>>>>>>>>> another poster use of the word "race".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A resounding NO!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not Surprised!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
>>>>>>>> found the relevant citation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did respond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
>>>>>> sources you asked for.
>>>>>
>>>>> I responded above, in this branch.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're not just a liar..
>>>>
>>>> ...you're a bad liar.
>>>>
>>>> <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
>>>>
>>>> That's the message ID.
>>>>
>>>> If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
>>>> that, then show me the message ID of your reply.
>>>
>>> Showing your dishonesty yet again.
>>>
>>> "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>>>
>>> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
>>>
>>> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
>>> relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
>>> word "race"."
>>>
>>
>> They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.
>
> ...and what they proved was how irrelevant they are as described above.