alister wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>
> > On 2022-03-04 1:31 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> >> Alan wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2022-03-04 9:11 a.m., Mark wrote:
> >>>> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
> >>>>> rtr <rtr@haraya.invalid> writes:
> >>>>>> It's stupid to not let the lapped cars through in the first
> place.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> It's stupid to let the lapped cars through in the first place.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> IF any dicking about with track positions should be done, the
> far >>>>> more sensible thing would be to force the lapped cars to
> drop to the >>>>> back, which could be done very quickly, rather than
> the idiotic >>>>> process of overtaking, speeding around the circuit,
> and catching up >>>>> to the back. That would have the effect of
> being all the blue flag >>>>> overtakes for the foreseeable future
> being done preemtpively in one >>>>> go.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Arbitrarily half-implementing a stupid thing is nett worse than
> >>>>> fully implementing a stupid thing, as it draws attention to the
> >>>>> stupidity.
> > > > >
> >>>> There isn't a "fair" way to do any of this, but sending them to
> the >>>> back is definitely not one, and certainly bound to create as
> many >>>> issues.
> > > > >
> >>>> Suppose the safety car is called when the leader has just passed
> the >>>> 7th placed driver:
> > > > >
> >>>> 4-5-6 1-7-8-9-2-10-3-11-12...19-20
> > > > >
> >>>> The gap between 6th and 7th is (say) 2s at this stage. Send the
> >>>> lapped cars to the back and you end up with the same delay
> because >>>> 2-6 have to catch up and 7th has to fall back behind
> 6th...but is now >>>> a whole lap down.
> > > > >
> >>>> 1-2-3-4-5-6 7-8-9-10-11-12...19-20
> >>>> ^ a whole lap behind the cars in front
> > > > >
> >>>> You have just killed all meaning racing between 1-6 and the rest
> of >>>> the pack and created two wholly separate races by separating
> them by >>>> a lap.
> > > > >
> >>>> Even if you said that the lapped cars didn't have to let the
> unlapped >>>> cars through at the end of the train:
> > > > >
> >>>> 1-2-3 7-8-9-10-11-12 19-20-4-5-6
> >>>> ^ a whole lap behind the cars in front
> >>>> ^ almost a lap ahead of the cars
> just >>>> in front
> > > > >
> >>>> you'd still have complaints.
> > > > >
> >>>> I don't see why you need to unlap the cars necessarily, though I
> >>>> suspect 4-6 would be a bit unhappy about the gap that now
> stretches >>>> out to car 20 which could have been negligible before.
> > > > >
> >>>> Accept that there's no "zero complaint" solution to this. At
> least >>>> unlapping has the attraction that every car is now in a
> position to >>>> race once the SC goes in.
> > > >
> >>> I think you're over-complicating this.
> > > >
> >>> Whether you send the cars all the way around or just have them
> drop >>> back, you can achieve the same position of cars relative to
> each >>> other.
> > > >
> >>> The only difference is that if you let the cars drop back, they
> will >>> have completed one less lap by count of the times across the
> finish >>> line.
> > > >
> >>> But that's just bookkeeping.
> >>
> >> So you are suggesting crediting those cars who drop back with an
> extra >> lap.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel

That doesn't have to be a problem... I think they will struggle with
crediting the lap from a sporting perspective but then they do seem
more ready to accept or even suggest an number of non-sport like
solutions nowadays. It could save a couple of laps behind the SC (they
would not have to wait for a clear track to re-order the cars and that
is attractive).

I think what they need to do is run a few thousand computer simulations
and see how the race, race result are affected by the various
solutions. There are always winners and losers from SC. Might this be
better or worse?

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On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 7:12:21 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>
> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.

yawn

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 7:12:21 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...

and the biggest cunt in the paddock

On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
>>>
>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
>>>
>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they are
>>> irrelevant.
>>>
>>
>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
>
> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>
> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
>
> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
>
> ...but it was actually pretty lame.

You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
class ?!!!

geoff

geoff

On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
>>>>
>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
>>>>
>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they are
>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
>>
>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>>
>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
>>
>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
>>
>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
>
>
> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
> class ?!!!

Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...

....doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
"Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
1.5 litre engine) in racing is.

Emerson Fittipaldi

Ayrton Senna

Michael Andretti

Michael Schumacher

Gilles Villeneuve

Jacques Villeneuve

Heard of them?

Also:

Tim Schenken

Jody Scheckter

Jenson Button

David Coulthard

Allan McNish

And:

Kimi Raikkonen

Mika Hakkinen

Damon Hill

Nigel Mansell

On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
>>>>>
>>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they
>>>>> are irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
>>>
>>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>>>
>>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
>>>
>>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
>>>
>>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
>>
>>
>> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
>> class ?!!!
>
> Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
>
> ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
> "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
> 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
>
> Emerson Fittipaldi
>
> Ayrton Senna
>
> Michael Andretti
>
> Michael Schumacher
>
> Gilles Villeneuve
>
> Jacques Villeneuve
>
> Heard of them?
>
>
> Also:
>
> Tim Schenken
>
> Jody Scheckter
>
> Jenson Button
>
> David Coulthard
>
> Allan McNish
>
>
> And:
>
> Kimi Raikkonen
>
> Mika Hakkinen
>
> Damon Hill
>
> Nigel Mansell

Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and you
were 2nd fastest !

geoff

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:21:15 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
> >>>>
> >>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
> >>>>
> >>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they are
> >>>> irrelevant.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
> >>
> >> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
> >>
> >> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
> >>
> >> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
> >>
> >> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
> >
> >
> > You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
> > class ?!!!
> Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
>
> ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
> "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
> 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
>
> Emerson Fittipaldi
>
> Ayrton Senna
>
> Michael Andretti
>
> Michael Schumacher
>
> Gilles Villeneuve
>
> Jacques Villeneuve
>
> Heard of them?
>
>
> Also:
>
> Tim Schenken
>
> Jody Scheckter
>
> Jenson Button
>
> David Coulthard
>
> Allan McNish
>
>
> And:
>
> Kimi Raikkonen
>
> Mika Hakkinen
>
> Damon Hill
>
> Nigel Mansell

lol

On 2022-03-07 1:34 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they
>>>>>> are irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>>>>
>>>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
>>>>
>>>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
>>>>
>>>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
>>>
>>>
>>> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
>>> class ?!!!
>>
>> Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
>>
>> ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
>> "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
>> 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
>>
>> Emerson Fittipaldi
>>
>> Ayrton Senna
>>
>> Michael Andretti
>>
>> Michael Schumacher
>>
>> Gilles Villeneuve
>>
>> Jacques Villeneuve
>>
>> Heard of them?
>>
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> Tim Schenken
>>
>> Jody Scheckter
>>
>> Jenson Button
>>
>> David Coulthard
>>
>> Allan McNish
>>
>>
>> And:
>>
>> Kimi Raikkonen
>>
>> Mika Hakkinen
>>
>> Damon Hill
>>
>> Nigel Mansell
>
>
> Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and you
> were 2nd fastest  !

You're good at missing the point.

The SCCA Runoffs is a collection of the very best amateur road racers in
North America. In 2015, a member from our club won the Formula F class.

And I'm faster at our track than him.

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:34:20 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
> > On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they
> >>>>> are irrelevant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
> >>>
> >>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
> >>>
> >>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
> >>>
> >>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
> >>
> >>
> >> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
> >> class ?!!!
> >
> > Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
> >
> > ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
> > "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
> > 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
> >
> > Emerson Fittipaldi
> >
> > Ayrton Senna
> >
> > Michael Andretti
> >
> > Michael Schumacher
> >
> > Gilles Villeneuve
> >
> > Jacques Villeneuve
> >
> > Heard of them?
> >
> >
> > Also:
> >
> > Tim Schenken
> >
> > Jody Scheckter
> >
> > Jenson Button
> >
> > David Coulthard
> >
> > Allan McNish
> >
> >
> > And:
> >
> > Kimi Raikkonen
> >
> > Mika Hakkinen
> >
> > Damon Hill
> >
> > Nigel Mansell
> Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and you
> were 2nd fastest !

alan is very old now
dementia is obviously setting in

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-07 1:34 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth of fuel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than race pace?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race, they
> >>>>>> are irrelevant.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with ....
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
> >>>>
> >>>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in your
> >>> class ?!!!
> >>
> >> Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
> >>
> >> ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
> >> "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda Fit
> >> 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
> >>
> >> Emerson Fittipaldi
> >>
> >> Ayrton Senna
> >>
> >> Michael Andretti
> >>
> >> Michael Schumacher
> >>
> >> Gilles Villeneuve
> >>
> >> Jacques Villeneuve
> >>
> >> Heard of them?
> >>
> >>
> >> Also:
> >>
> >> Tim Schenken
> >>
> >> Jody Scheckter
> >>
> >> Jenson Button
> >>
> >> David Coulthard
> >>
> >> Allan McNish
> >>
> >>
> >> And:
> >>
> >> Kimi Raikkonen
> >>
> >> Mika Hakkinen
> >>
> >> Damon Hill
> >>
> >> Nigel Mansell
> >
> >
> > Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and you
> > were 2nd fastest !
> You're good at missing the point.
>
> The SCCA Runoffs is a collection of the very best amateur road racers in
> North America. In 2015, a member from our club won the Formula F class.
>
> And I'm faster at our track than him.

thanks grandpa

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> You're good at missing the point.

you're good at being a piece of shit

On 2022-03-07 2:32 p.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>
>> You're good at missing the point.
>
> you're good at being a piece of shit

You're so bad at being at all interesting.

You'd think from shear repetition you'd occasionally say something that
wasn't earth-shatteringly dull...

....just like infinite monkeys.

geoff wrote:

> On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
> > On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
> > > > On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > > On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth
> > > > > > > of fuel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the usage of running around the track at far less than
> > > > > > race pace?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race,
> > > > > > they are irrelevant.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with
> > > > > ....
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
> > > >
> > > > ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
> > > >
> > > > So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
> > > >
> > > > ...but it was actually pretty lame.
> > >
> > >
> > > You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in
> > > your class ?!!!
> >
> > Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
> >
> > ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
> > "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda
> > Fit 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
> >
> > Emerson Fittipaldi
> >
> > Ayrton Senna
> >
> > Michael Andretti
> >
> > Michael Schumacher
> >
> > Gilles Villeneuve
> >
> > Jacques Villeneuve
> >
> > Heard of them?
> >
> >
> > Also:
> >
> > Tim Schenken
> >
> > Jody Scheckter
> >
> > Jenson Button
> >
> > David Coulthard
> >
> > Allan McNish
> >
> >
> > And:
> >
> > Kimi Raikkonen
> >
> > Mika Hakkinen
> >
> > Damon Hill
> >
> > Nigel Mansell
>
>
> Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and
> you were 2nd fastest !
>
> geoff

It's called deflection. There was something about your comment that hit
too close to home.

--
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Felicity
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Irving S
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Enjoy!

On 2022-03-08 3:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>
>> On 8/03/2022 10:21 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-07 12:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 7/03/2022 3:12 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-03-06 12:39 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 5:53 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-06 6:20 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 17:39:22 -0800, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuel usuage, you have just given them an extra laps worth
>>>>>>>> of fuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the usage of running around the track at far less than
>>>>>>> race pace?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the LAPPED cars. In the grand scheme of the race,
>>>>>>> they are irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A situation that I am sure you are extremely familiar with
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, I am the second fastest FF driver at our track...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and that includes a former winner of the SCCA Runoffs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So... ...I'd say, "Nice try"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but it was actually pretty lame.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean that there is actually more than just the one racers in
>>>> your class ?!!!
>>>
>>> Amazing that someone who claims to be a racing fan (implicitly)...
>>>
>>> ...doesn't know the importance of the Formula Ford (now actually
>>> "Formula F" in North America due to the homologation of the Honda
>>> Fit 1.5 litre engine) in racing is.
>>>
>>> Emerson Fittipaldi
>>>
>>> Ayrton Senna
>>>
>>> Michael Andretti
>>>
>>> Michael Schumacher
>>>
>>> Gilles Villeneuve
>>>
>>> Jacques Villeneuve
>>>
>>> Heard of them?
>>>
>>>
>>> Also:
>>>
>>> Tim Schenken
>>>
>>> Jody Scheckter
>>>
>>> Jenson Button
>>>
>>> David Coulthard
>>>
>>> Allan McNish
>>>
>>>
>>> And:
>>>
>>> Kimi Raikkonen
>>>
>>> Mika Hakkinen
>>>
>>> Damon Hill
>>>
>>> Nigel Mansell
>>
>>
>> Jeepers - they've all been involved in races against you in FF, and
>> you were 2nd fastest !
>>
>> geoff
>
> It's called deflection. There was something about your comment that hit
> too close to home.
>

LOL!

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:29:33 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> LOL!

moron

On 2022-03-08 10:12 a.m., texas gate wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:29:33 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>
>> LOL!
>
> moron

Boron.

rtr <rtr@balaraw.invalid> writes:
> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> writes:
>> rtr <rtr@haraya.invalid> writes:
>>> It's stupid to not let the lapped cars through in the first place.
>>
>> It's stupid to let the lapped cars through in the first place.
>>
>> *IF* any dicking about with track positions should be done, the far more
>> sensible thing would be to force the lapped cars to drop to the back,
>> which could be done very quickly, rather than the idiotic process of
>> overtaking, speeding around the circuit, and catching up to the back.
>> That would have the effect of being all the blue flag overtakes for the
>> foreseeable future being done preemtpively in one go.
>>
>> Arbitrarily half-implementing a stupid thing is nett worse than fully
>> implementing a stupid thing, as it draws attention to the stupidity.
>>
>> Phil
>
> I think Vettel have suggested this ages ago but I've heard that it can't
> be done because there's something to do with how doing that will mess up
> something in the transponders of the cars which determine the overall
> information that race control receives.

If that's true, then they are twice as stupid, as they're doing a stupid
thing for a stupid reason, and not addressing the stupid reason that
would permit them to not do the stupid thing if they destupidified it.

My bank just refused to let me buy some penny stock with a listed share
price of $0.035 with a limit bid of 0.035 because "'0.035' is not the
right format for a limit bid". I could have put the bid in at 0.04, but
then I might have to pay 14% more then I'm willing.

Stupid is everywhere. And the stupid don't seem to realise that. Worse,
after they've had it brought to their attention, they do nothing to fix
it.

Eventually, people will simply expect stupid, and they won't be
disappointed.

Phil
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Mark <mpconmy@gmail.com> writes:
> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>> rtr <rtr@haraya.invalid> writes:
>>> It's stupid to not let the lapped cars through in the first place.
>>
>> It's stupid to let the lapped cars through in the first place.
>>
>> *IF* any dicking about with track positions should be done, the far more
>> sensible thing would be to force the lapped cars to drop to the back,
>> which could be done very quickly, rather than the idiotic process of
>> overtaking, speeding around the circuit, and catching up to the back.
>> That would have the effect of being all the blue flag overtakes for the
>> foreseeable future being done preemtpively in one go.
>>
>> Arbitrarily half-implementing a stupid thing is nett worse than fully
>> implementing a stupid thing, as it draws attention to the stupidity.
>
> There isn't a "fair" way to do any of this, but sending them to the back
> is definitely not one, and certainly bound to create as many issues.
>
> Suppose the safety car is called when the leader has just passed the 7th
> placed driver:
>
> 4-5-6 1-7-8-9-2-10-3-11-12...19-20
>
> The gap between 6th and 7th is (say) 2s at this stage. Send the lapped
> cars to the back and you end up with the same delay because 2-6 have to
> catch up and 7th has to fall back behind 6th...but is now a whole lap
> down.

Nope, you've misunderstood - there's no "catch up" in what I specified.
Just think in terms of blue flags, that might simplify it.

Phil
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