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by: News - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:55 UTC

On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> alister wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave absolutely no room at all for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misinterpretation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn’t that what the revision does?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to
>>>>>>>>>>> mean "all".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And the new rule says ALL - that was the change
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
>>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the
>>>>>>>> original rule that anyone with a basic understanding of
>>>>>>>> English would have found confusing. it was a smoke screen
>>>>>>>> for a stupid F**k up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to
>>>>>>> obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly but
>>>>>>> rather used in their favour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FIA remains FUBAR.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not going to disagree.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.
>>>
>>> ...which was a non-sequitur.
>>>
>>
>> Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.
>
> I would not want to deprive you of the honour.
>
> There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.
>
> This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
> ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
> ...so go ahead and take that bow now.
>
>

Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.

But go ahead...

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by: Bigbird - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:01 UTC

News wrote:

> On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> > News wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
> > > > News wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > News wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > alister wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave absolutely no room at all for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > misinterpretation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn’t that what the revision does?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended
> > > > > > > > > > > > to mean "all".
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And the new rule says ALL - that was the change
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the
> > > > > > > > > > '22.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
> > > > > > > > > > bit.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > geoff
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with
> > > > > > > > > the original rule that anyone with a basic
> > > > > > > > > understanding of English would have found confusing.
> > > > > > > > > it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it
> > > > > > > > to obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly
> > > > > > > > but rather used in their favour.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha
> > > > > > > Tauri?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > FIA remains FUBAR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not going to disagree.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.
> > > >
> > > > ...which was a non-sequitur.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.
> >
> > I would not want to deprive you of the honour.
> >
> > There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.
> >
> > This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
> > ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
> > ...so go ahead and take that bow now.
> >
> >
>
> Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.
>
> But go ahead...

Well what a comprehensive rebuttal...

....not quite as gracious as capitulation but close enough.

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by: News - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 19:44 UTC

On 3/22/2022 3:01 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> News wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> News wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> News wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave absolutely no room at all for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misinterpretation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn’t that what the revision does?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to mean "all".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the new rule says ALL - that was the change
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the
>>>>>>>>>>> '22.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
>>>>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with
>>>>>>>>>> the original rule that anyone with a basic
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of English would have found confusing.
>>>>>>>>>> it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it
>>>>>>>>> to obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly
>>>>>>>>> but rather used in their favour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha
>>>>>>>> Tauri?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FIA remains FUBAR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not going to disagree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...which was a non-sequitur.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.
>>>
>>> I would not want to deprive you of the honour.
>>>
>>> There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.
>>>
>>> This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
>>> ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
>>> ...so go ahead and take that bow now.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.
>>
>> But go ahead...
>
> Well what a comprehensive rebuttal...
>
> ...not quite as gracious as capitulation but close enough.

Yes, and thanks for capitulating.

Subject	Author
Well, that's cleared that up then	Geoff May
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Mark Jackson
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	XYXPDQ
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	geoff
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Sir Tim
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	geoff
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	alister
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	geoff
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	alister
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	alister
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	AnthonyL
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	geoff
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Alan LeHun
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	geoff
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Sir Tim
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	News
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	Bigbird
Re: Well, that's cleared that up then	alister