On 2022-03-22 11:02 a.m., News wrote:
> On 3/22/2022 11:27 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
>> On 3/22/2022 10:02 AM, Slang wrote:
>>> Il 22/03/2022 10:28, keithr0 ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Or he may do well in a less stressful position that doesn't require
>>>> real time decision making. Some people do not perform well under
>>>> those circumstances but are perfectly OK doing day to day stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you.
>>> Masi need to work slowly: like in Silverstone (?), where  LH received
>>> an ammonition "only" after the 29th time he violated track limits ;-).
>>> S
>>
>>
>> Track "limits" are a goddamned joke. They ruined all the tracks when
>> they started paving runoffs. There needs to be "real" consequence for
>> going off track, not a judgment call.
>>
>
>
> Tilkedromes

Times change.

The world is no longer willing to see F1 drivers die.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:05:33 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Times change.
>
> The world is no longer willing to see F1 drivers die.

fuck off pussy

On 3/22/2022 2:05 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-03-22 11:02 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 3/22/2022 11:27 AM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2022 10:02 AM, Slang wrote:
>>>> Il 22/03/2022 10:28, keithr0 ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> Or he may do well in a less stressful position that doesn't require
>>>>> real time decision making. Some people do not perform well under
>>>>> those circumstances but are perfectly OK doing day to day stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you.
>>>> Masi need to work slowly: like in Silverstone (?), where  LH
>>>> received an ammonition "only" after the 29th time he violated track
>>>> limits ;-).
>>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> Track "limits" are a goddamned joke. They ruined all the tracks when
>>> they started paving runoffs. There needs to be "real" consequence for
>>> going off track, not a judgment call.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Tilkedromes
>
> Times change.
>
> The world is no longer willing to see F1 drivers die.

Strawman makes strawman claim.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 2:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-20 3:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-19 6:24 p.m., Paul Babiak wrote:
> > > > > > On 03/19/2022 08:58 PM, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
<https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
> > > > > > > single-seat racing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of
> > > > > > > whomever was his boss last year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you getting it yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Alan the document in your link is dated January 2021. It's
> > > > > > 2022 now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_organigrammes_-_january_
> > > > > > 2022.pdf Michael Masi Not Named on FIA Organisation
> > > > > > Chart for January 2022
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > https://www.formulanerds.com/news/michael-masi-not-named-on-fia-orga
> > > > > > nisation-chart-for-january-2022/
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry...
> > > >
> > > > LOL,
> > > >
> > > > oh Alan...
> > > >
> > > > You could have just finished there.
> > > >
> > >
> > > But I didn't...
> > >
> > > ...and you carefully snipped the salient points.
> >
> > No. I didn't.
>
> Liar.

Did you or did you not claim Masi got a promotion by citing a
misleading organisation chart from over a year ago?

Let me help; you did.

Nothing I snipped was salient to that attempted
deception/misrepresentation.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> >
<https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
> > > > > single-seat racing.
> > > > >
> > > > > So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
> > > > > was his boss last year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you getting it yet?
> > > >
> > > > The Peter principle in action
> > > > Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
> > > > damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > And buy his silence.
> > >
> > > Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
> > > not to tell his side of the story.
> > >
> >
> > Never heard of an NDA.
>
> Ah!
>
> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>

Not at all.

As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.

So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?

> >
> > > You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
> > > journalists?
> > >
> > > Do you see any quotes from Masi?
> > >
> > > Don't you think that's odd?
> >
> > No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
> > Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
> > effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
> > to that.
>
> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?

Quote where you think it does.

>
> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.

Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.

--
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Enjoy!

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 10:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> >On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:51:10 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
<https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
> > > > > > > single-seat racing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of
> > > > > > > whomever was his boss last year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you getting it yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Peter principle in action
> > > > > > Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too
> > > > > > much damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And buy his silence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no
> > > > > incentive not to tell his side of the story.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Never heard of an NDA.
> > >
> > > Ah!
> > >
> > > And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
> >
> > Irony meters have just exploded all over the world.
>
> Not really.
>
> I've provided support and reasonable inferences.

Liar.

Il 22/03/2022 16:27, leonard hofstatder ha scritto:

> Track "limits" are a goddamned joke. They ruined all the tracks when
> they started paving runoffs. There needs to be "real" consequence for
> going off track, not a judgment call.
>
The simple real consequence is gain advantage in lap time.
If not, why go beyond?
It is enough to go slowly in corners.....
S

Il 22/03/2022 16:27, leonard hofstatder ha scritto:

> Track "limits" are a goddamned joke. They ruined all the tracks when
> they started paving runoffs. There needs to be "real" consequence for
> going off track, not a judgment call.
>
I agree, but this could be a safety question?
S

On 2022-03-22 11:27 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 2:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-20 3:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-19 6:24 p.m., Paul Babiak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/19/2022 08:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>>>>>>>> single-seat racing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of
>>>>>>>> whomever was his boss last year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan the document in your link is dated January 2021. It's
>>>>>>> 2022 now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_organigrammes_-_january_
>>>>>>> 2022.pdf Michael Masi Not Named on FIA Organisation
>>>>>>> Chart for January 2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.formulanerds.com/news/michael-masi-not-named-on-fia-orga
>>>>>>> nisation-chart-for-january-2022/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry...
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>
>>>>> oh Alan...
>>>>>
>>>>> You could have just finished there.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I didn't...
>>>>
>>>> ...and you carefully snipped the salient points.
>>>
>>> No. I didn't.
>>
>> Liar.
>
> Did you or did you not claim Masi got a promotion by citing a
> misleading organisation chart from over a year ago?
>
> Let me help; you did.
>
> Nothing I snipped was salient to that attempted
> deception/misrepresentation.

Liar.

On 2022-03-22 11:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>>>>>> single-seat racing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
>>>>>> was his boss last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Peter principle in action
>>>>> Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>>>>> damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And buy his silence.
>>>>
>>>> Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
>>>> not to tell his side of the story.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Never heard of an NDA.
>>
>> Ah!
>>
>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>
>
> Not at all.
>
> As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
>
> So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
> that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?

You are implying that an NDA is involved...

....without any support for that at all...

....liar.

>
>>>
>>>> You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
>>>> journalists?
>>>>
>>>> Do you see any quotes from Masi?
>>>>
>>>> Don't you think that's odd?
>>>
>>> No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
>>> Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
>>> effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
>>> to that.
>>
>> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
>
> Quote where you think it does.

Right after your quote showing that there is an NDA involved, Liar.

>
>>
>> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
>> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
>
> Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.

'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
when safe to do so.'

Is the "F1 SAC" a part of the "F1 Team Managers"...

....or part of the FIA?

Same question about the F1 Commission.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-22 11:27 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-03-22 2:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-03-20 3:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-03-19 6:24 p.m., Paul Babiak wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 03/19/2022 08:58 PM, Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
<https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
> > > > > > > > > single-seat racing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of
> > > > > > > > > whomever was his boss last year.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Are you getting it yet?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alan the document in your link is dated January 2021.
> > > > > > > > It's 2022 now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_organigrammes_-_january_
> > > > > > > > 2022.pdf Michael Masi Not Named on FIA Organisation
> > > > > > > > Chart for January 2022
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
https://www.formulanerds.com/news/michael-masi-not-named-on-fia-orga
> > > > > > > > nisation-chart-for-january-2022/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > LOL,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oh Alan...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You could have just finished there.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But I didn't...
> > > > >
> > > > > ...and you carefully snipped the salient points.
> > > >
> > > > No. I didn't.
> > >
> > > Liar.
> >
> > Did you or did you not claim Masi got a promotion by citing a
> > misleading organisation chart from over a year ago?
> >
> > Let me help; you did.
> >
> > Nothing I snipped was salient to that attempted
> > deception/misrepresentation.
>
> Liar.

LOL.

Your dishonesty is your word.

Alan wrote:

This thread is just Baker proving that deep down he is simply a
dishonest little prick.

> On 2022-03-22 11:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > > > >
> > > > > And buy his silence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
> > > > > not to tell his side of the story.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Never heard of an NDA.
> > >
> > > Ah!
> > >
> > > And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
> > >
> >
> > Not at all.
> >
> > As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
> >
> > So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
> > that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being
> > sacked?
>
> You are implying that an NDA is involved...

No, that is yet another LIE.

As he was not booted out of the FIA so there was no need for an NDA but
that option was there if as you claim they needed to "buy his silence";
I asked you whether you had ever heard of one... clearly refuting you
rather unintelligent claim.

Now you appear to be dishonestly pretending not to understand English.

>
> ...without any support for that at all...
>
> ...liar.
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > You don't think he's been approached multiple times by
> > > > > motorsports journalists?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you see any quotes from Masi?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't you think that's odd?
> > > >
> > > > No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the
> > > > carpet. Doing anything else would be an overt admission that
> > > > Masi effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no
> > > > remedy to that.
> > >
> > > And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
> >
> > Quote where you think it does.
>
> Right after your quote showing that there is an NDA involved, Liar.
>

No, of course you can't.

Ps. I never claimed there was an NDA involved.

That is just another of your LIES

> >
> > >
> > > What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it,
> > > so they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
> >
> > Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that
> > lie.
>
> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
> at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
> and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end
> races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety
> car, when safe to do so.'
>
> Is the "F1 SAC" a part of the "F1 Team Managers"...
>
> ...or part of the FIA?
>
> Same question about the F1 Commission.

It's irrelevant. What that says is that "the F1 teams" said ending
races under a green flag was desirable. This is something that we
already knew and has no bearing on the gross incompetence Masi
demonstrated in misapplication of the regulations.

Your dishonest attempt to misrepresent that paragraph has already been
debunked.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:31:00 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 10:28 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:51:10 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL single-seat
>>>>>>> racing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever was
>>>>>>> his boss last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Peter principle in action
>>>>>> Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>>>>>> damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And buy his silence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive not to
>>>>> tell his side of the story.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never heard of an NDA.
>>>
>>> Ah!
>>>
>>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>
>> Irony meters have just exploded all over the world.
>
>Not really.

Yes, really. You regularly post stuff you can't support.

>
>I've provided support and reasonable inferences.

Nope, you haven't provided support, you've supplied what *you* regard
as "reasonable inferences" which nobody else in F1 sees for some weird
reason (weird in your eyes that is)..

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:31:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> > Alan wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>> > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> >
><https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>> > > > > single-seat racing.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
>> > > > > was his boss last year.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Are you getting it yet?
>> > > >
>> > > > The Peter principle in action
>> > > > Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>> > > > damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > And buy his silence.
>> > >
>> > > Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
>> > > not to tell his side of the story.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Never heard of an NDA.
>>
>> Ah!
>>
>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>
>
>Not at all.
>
>As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
>
>So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
>that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?
>
>> >
>> > > You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
>> > > journalists?
>> > >
>> > > Do you see any quotes from Masi?
>> > >
>> > > Don't you think that's odd?
>> >
>> > No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
>> > Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
>> > effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
>> > to that.
>>
>> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
>
>Quote where you think it does.

Now, now, you should know well that Alan is a great exponent of the
'prove a negative' challenge.

>
>>
>> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
>> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
>
>Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:33:38 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-22 11:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>>>>>>> single-seat racing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
>>>>>>> was his boss last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Peter principle in action
>>>>>> Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>>>>>> damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And buy his silence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
>>>>> not to tell his side of the story.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never heard of an NDA.
>>>
>>> Ah!
>>>
>>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>>
>>
>> Not at all.
>>
>> As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
>>
>> So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
>> that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?
>
>You are implying that an NDA is involved...
>
>...without any support for that at all...
>
>...liar.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
>>>>> journalists?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see any quotes from Masi?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you think that's odd?
>>>>
>>>> No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
>>>> Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
>>>> effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
>>>> to that.
>>>
>>> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
>>
>> Quote where you think it does.
>
>Right after your quote showing that there is an NDA involved, Liar.
>
>>
>>>
>>> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
>>> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
>>
>> Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.
>
>'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
>the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
>F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
>under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
>when safe to do so.'
>

How does that pressurise a RD into breaking rules as they have been
consistently applied in the past?

>Is the "F1 SAC" a part of the "F1 Team Managers"...
>
>...or part of the FIA?
>
>Same question about the F1 Commission.

On 2022-03-23 11:57 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:33:38 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-22 11:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>>>>>>>> single-seat racing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
>>>>>>>> was his boss last year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Peter principle in action
>>>>>>> Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>>>>>>> damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And buy his silence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
>>>>>> not to tell his side of the story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of an NDA.
>>>>
>>>> Ah!
>>>>
>>>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all.
>>>
>>> As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
>>>
>>> So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
>>> that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?
>>
>> You are implying that an NDA is involved...
>>
>> ...without any support for that at all...
>>
>> ...liar.
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
>>>>>> journalists?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you see any quotes from Masi?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't you think that's odd?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
>>>>> Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
>>>>> effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
>>>>> to that.
>>>>
>>>> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
>>>
>>> Quote where you think it does.
>>
>> Right after your quote showing that there is an NDA involved, Liar.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
>>>> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
>>>
>>> Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.
>>
>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
>> the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
>> under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
>> when safe to do so.'
>>
>
> How does that pressurise a RD into breaking rules as they have been
> consistently applied in the past?

The FIA report says they had an effect.

Do you deny that?

If they had an effect, isn't there a reasonable inference that Masi
acted in the way he believed his superiors wanted?

>
>> Is the "F1 SAC" a part of the "F1 Team Managers"...
>>
>> ...or part of the FIA?
>>
>> Same question about the F1 Commission.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-03-23 11:57 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
> > >
> > > 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
> > > car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
> > > previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
> > > Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’
> > > preference to end races under green flag racing conditions,
> > > rather than behind a safety car, when safe to do so.'
> > >
> >
> > How does that pressurise a RD into breaking rules as they have been
> > consistently applied in the past?
>
> The FIA report says they had an effect.
>
> Do you deny that?
>
> If they had an effect, isn't there a reasonable inference that Masi
> acted in the way he believed his superiors wanted?
>

No; that is a rather inane non-sequitur.

It suggests he was not up to the task of doing his job properly.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:48:17 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-03-23 11:57 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:33:38 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-22 11:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-03-22 2:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-03-20 4:02 a.m., alister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:58:11 -0700, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/organigrammes_-_01_2021_0.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi is now head of "Sporting Matters" for ALL
>>>>>>>>> single-seat racing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So he was so much the sole actor of last year...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...that the FIA has made him (at least) the boss of whomever
>>>>>>>>> was his boss last year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you getting it yet?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Peter principle in action
>>>>>>>> Promote him into a position where he cant actually do too much
>>>>>>>> damage thus avoiding any claims for unfair dismissal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And buy his silence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if you actually sacked him, he'd have had no incentive
>>>>>>> not to tell his side of the story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never heard of an NDA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah!
>>>>>
>>>>> And suddenly you want to depend on something you can't support!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> As usual you are dishonestly trying to misrepresent my comment.
>>>>
>>>> So have you or have you not heard of an NDA? and would or would not
>>>> that be a way of keeping someone from speaking out after being sacked?
>>>
>>> You are implying that an NDA is involved...
>>>
>>> ...without any support for that at all...
>>>
>>> ...liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't think he's been approached multiple times by motorsports
>>>>>>> journalists?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you see any quotes from Masi?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you think that's odd?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. They clearly are trying to sweep their errors under the carpet.
>>>>>> Doing anything else would be an overt admission that Masi
>>>>>> effectively changed the result of the WDC and they have no remedy
>>>>>> to that.
>>>>>
>>>>> And how does the report they released NOT admit that?
>>>>
>>>> Quote where you think it does.
>>>
>>> Right after your quote showing that there is an NDA involved, Liar.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What they DON'T want to admit is the part that they played in it, so
>>>>> they talk about it only in the most oblique way.
>>>>
>>>> Well, let us know when you have an iota of evidence to support that lie.
>>>
>>> 'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
>>> the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
>>> discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
>>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teams’ preference to end races
>>> under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
>>> when safe to do so.'
>>>
>>
>> How does that pressurise a RD into breaking rules as they have been
>> consistently applied in the past?
>
>The FIA report says they had an effect.
>
>Do you deny that?
>
>If they had an effect, isn't there a reasonable inference that Masi
>acted in the way he believed his superiors wanted?

Your claims all along have been that Masi was *directly instructed* by
"someone" above him to do what he did and the FIA have tried to cover
it up by buying him off with another job. Are you now dropping those
claims?

>
>>
>>> Is the "F1 SAC" a part of the "F1 Team Managers"...
>>>
>>> ...or part of the FIA?
>>>
>>> Same question about the F1 Commission.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:58:10 AM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Your claims all along have been that Masi was *directly instructed* by
> "someone" above him to do what he did and the FIA have tried to cover
> it up by buying him off with another job. Are you now dropping those
> claims?

Hey Harry Martin.
Are you the new bigturd?
Humping alans leg.
Have some pride ffs