For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
race itself.

In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.

The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
season's races.

Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
didn't call it a day.

Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
extra round of golf in?

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 10/04/2022 21:09, AnthonyL wrote:
> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
> race itself.
>
> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>
> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
> season's races.
>
> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>
> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
> didn't call it a day.
>
> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
> extra round of golf in?

It was a good race.

Cheers

Geoff

On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>
> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
> season's races.

As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...

> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.

This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races,
whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.

> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
> didn't call it a day.
>
> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
> extra round of golf in?

I'm turning 41 soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like
entertainment than a true sport nowadays, but what I've always enjoyed
the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.

As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
the drivers.

A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
you did. I understand him, but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
the same here.

--
Vasco Costa

AKA gluon. Enthusiastic about computers, motorsports, science,
technology, travelling and TV series. Yes I'm a bit of a geek.

Gemini: gemini://gluonspace.com/

Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:09:15 GMT, w
<6253375c.647792828@news.eternal-september.org>, nospam@please.invalid
(AnthonyL) napisał(-a):

> I still
> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
> season's races.

I have rarely looked at F1 since this year. I didn't give up on the F1 channel
just because they lowered my price 3x (to 1.5USD / month). I learn that there
is a race when Google gives me the qualifying results in the Discovery tab.
Well, they deserved ...

On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
> race itself.
>
> In recent years --- I was getting frustrated.
>
Understandable. The last two years seemed 'intense'
rather than enjoyable.

> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>

That is to some extent a financial fact of life.

I particularly did not like the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
Constant turning between jersey barriers at night
is not something I would want to do, nor enjoy watching.

> --- I have not watch any of this
> season's races.
> ---
> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
> extra round of golf in?
>

In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.

This year passing is possible.
This year most drivers have been careful to
not collide or horribly block.
Emotions seem in safe check.

On 11/04/2022 10:56 am, a425couple wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>> race itself.
>>
>> In recent years --- I was getting frustrated.
>>
> Understandable.  The last two years seemed 'intense'
> rather than enjoyable.
>
> > Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> > landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
> >
>
> That is to some extent a financial fact of life.
>
> I particularly did not like the  Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
> Constant turning between jersey barriers at night
> is not something I would want to do, nor enjoy watching.
>
>
>> --- I have not watch any of this
>> season's races.
>> ---
>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>> positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or should I get an
>> extra round of golf in?
>>
>
> In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
> without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
> today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.
>
> This year passing is possible.
> This year most drivers have been careful to
> not collide or horribly block.
> Emotions seem in safe check.

Better cars, and some tracks are better (ie Oz just now).

Agree about the flat, barrier-bound, boring track/s. More like slot cars
all on the same rail.

geoff

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:20:40 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> Agree about the flat, barrier-bound, boring track/s.

like Oz

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:42:25 -0000 (UTC), Vasco Costa
<vasco.costa@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>
>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>> season's races.
>
>As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
>with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
>during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
>29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...
>
>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>
>This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
>seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
>now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
>Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races,
>whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.
>
>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>> didn't call it a day.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
>> extra round of golf in?
>
>I'm turning 41

New kid on the block ::

>soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
>proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
>hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like
>entertainment than a true sport nowadays,

Soap drama rather than entertainment.

>but what I've always enjoyed
>the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
>above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.
>

Yes, I've seen your profile from other sources and your passion and
knowledge for racing is clear.

>As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
>enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
>opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
>F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
>finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
>the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
>the drivers.
>
>A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
>you did. I understand him,

Sounds as if I'm in good company. Doubt that it will be enough though
to hit revenues and cause some re-thinking.

>but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
>back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
>the same here.
>

Your efforts are appreciated. My interest in F1, though not highly
passionate, go back to the '60s. Perhaps I've been spoilt.

As an aside in the 60s I was lucky enough to be in a position to get
the early racing films from Shell to show in one of the University
lecture halls. They became so popular that we had to move to the main
hall to accommodate the demand.

I presume you are familiar with "The Bugatti Queen"? Another great
piece of history and the book written by an acquaintance of mine.

--
AnthonyL

Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?

On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
> race itself.
>
> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>
> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
> season's races.
>
> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>
> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
> didn't call it a day.
>
> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
> extra round of golf in?
>
>

El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.

AnthonyL wrote:

> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
> race itself.
>
> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>
> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
> season's races.
>
> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>
> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
> didn't call it a day.
>
> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
> extra round of golf in?

I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
latest seasons.

On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> AnthonyL wrote:
>
>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>> race itself.
>>
>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>
>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>> season's races.
>>
>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>>
>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>> didn't call it a day.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
>> extra round of golf in?
>
> I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
> though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
> surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
> love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
> eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
> me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
> watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
> like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
> latest seasons.

Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the Matra
V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters only, now.

On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>> race itself.
>>
>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>
>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I still
>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>> season's races.
>>
>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>>
>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>> didn't call it a day.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>> positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or should I get an
>> extra round of golf in?
>>
>>
>
> El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.

Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and Masi
DO NOT make the final decisions.

Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.

On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
> On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>> AnthonyL wrote:
>>
>>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>>> race itself.
>>>
>>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>>
>>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I still
>>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>>> season's races.
>>>
>>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>>>
>>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>>> didn't call it a day.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>>> positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or should I get an
>>> extra round of golf in?
>>
>> I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday. Even
>> though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I was
>> surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I was in
>> love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1 has slowly
>> eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will ever quite win
>> me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I don't feel the need to
>> watch every lap anymore or care as much about what I am watching. It's
>> like your favourite TV being written for a different audience in it's
>> latest seasons.
>
> Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the Matra
> V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters only, now.

Yes.

The world changes.

This is not news.

Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?

How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
Would that satisfy?

There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.

On 2022-04-10 1:42 p.m., Vasco Costa wrote:
> On 10/04/2022, AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>
>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw. I still
>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>> season's races.
>
> As a fan of F1 and in particular of Mercedes and Hamilton I empathise
> with you. There have been many atypical mistakes lately, especially
> during the 2021 season, culminating with the title decider. 2021 was my
> 29th full F1 season and for the first time I pondered stop watching...

Why would you be a fan "in particular" of Mercedes or Hamilton?

What is so special about them that makes that your thing?

>
>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>
> This is sadly true as well. Covid somehow created the false hope of
> seeing different tracks back on the calendar. The reality is that we're
> now getting back to where the higher money bids are, with more Middle
> Eastern tracks than ever and with some countries hosting multiple races,
> whereas other countries with better tracks are left out.
>
>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>> didn't call it a day.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>> positions of today's race. Is it worth watching or should I get an
>> extra round of golf in?
>
> I'm turning 41 soon and despite my first paragraph above, 2022 is
> proudly my 30th full F1 season. There's something stronger that still
> hooks me, despite the recent disappointments. F1 feels more like
> entertainment than a true sport nowadays, but what I've always enjoyed
> the most was the technical innovation of the cars anyway. I love F1
> above any team, driver or race director, hence I'm still around.
>
> As for today's race, it wasn't super interesting, but I can't stress
> enough how much I urge you to watch Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. The
> opening two rounds were some of the best races I can remember in recent
> F1 history, with multiple direct fights for the win from start to
> finish. Perhaps the drivers or teams involved aren't of your liking, but
> the spectacle was of high quality and surprisingly fair, given one of
> the drivers.
>
> A German friend stopped watching F1 after Abu Dhabi for the same reason
> you did. I understand him, but just like I've subtly tried to bring him
> back, because he's missing quite some good races, I can't help but do
> the same here.
>

On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 9:11:19 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Why would you be a fan "in particular" of Mercedes or Hamilton?

You creepy fucking weirdo.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
> > On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
> > > AnthonyL wrote:
> > >
> > > > For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the
> > > > news and this forum until I've watched the highlights of
> > > > qualifying and the race itself.
> > > >
> > > > In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions
> > > > regarding safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances
> > > > that I now can't off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
> > > >
> > > > The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I
> > > > still have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch
> > > > any of this season's races.
> > > >
> > > > Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the
> > > > boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle
> > > > Eastern tracks.
> > > >
> > > > No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised
> > > > that HAM didn't call it a day.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the
> > > > final positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or
> > > > should I get an extra round of golf in?
> > >
> > > I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday.
> > > Even though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I
> > > was surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I
> > > was in love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1
> > > has slowly eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will
> > > ever quite win me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I
> > > don't feel the need to watch every lap anymore or care as much
> > > about what I am watching. It's like your favourite TV being
> > > written for a different audience in it's latest seasons.
> >
> > Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the
> > Matra V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters
> > only, now.
>
> Yes.
>
> The world changes.
>
> This is not news.
>
> Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?
>
> How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
> Would that satisfy?
>
> There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
> computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
> Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.

Another example of how easily you miss the point in your rush to be a
contrary little twit.

On 2022-04-12 9:47 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-11 12:32 p.m., News wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2022 2:44 PM, Bigbird wrote:
>>>> AnthonyL wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the
>>>>> news and this forum until I've watched the highlights of
>>>>> qualifying and the race itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions
>>>>> regarding safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances
>>>>> that I now can't off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I
>>>>> still have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch
>>>>> any of this season's races.
>>>>>
>>>>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the
>>>>> boringly landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle
>>>>> Eastern tracks.
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised
>>>>> that HAM didn't call it a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the
>>>>> final positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or
>>>>> should I get an extra round of golf in?
>>>>
>>>> I was lucky enough to be at Goodwood Members Meeting yesterday.
>>>> Even though I was looking forward to hearing the V10's start up I
>>>> was surprised by the huge hit of nostalgia. Nostalgia for when I
>>>> was in love with F1, when I watched every available moment. F1
>>>> has slowly eroded my love of the sport and I'm not sure they will
>>>> ever quite win me back but I still enjoy watching the races. I
>>>> don't feel the need to watch every lap anymore or care as much
>>>> about what I am watching. It's like your favourite TV being
>>>> written for a different audience in it's latest seasons.
>>>
>>> Likewise, the ubiquitous DFV, the Ferrari Flat12, the BRM V12, the
>>> Matra V12, the Tecno Flat12, and similarly rare Alfa V8. Masters
>>> only, now.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> The world changes.
>>
>> This is not news.
>>
>> Do you long for the days of the Auto Union V16 of the 1930s?
>>
>> How about the days when F1 was killing multiple drivers every year?
>> Would that satisfy?
>>
>> There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Aerodynamics and
>> computers are here, and we have to work within the world that exists.
>> Not some fantasy world of how much more perfect it was in our youth.
>
> Another example of how easily you miss the point in your rush to be a
> contrary little twit.

What do you feel the point was?

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> What do you feel the point was?

almost precisely or completely precisely?

On 12/04/2022 1:46 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
>> On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>>> race itself.
>>>
>>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>>
>>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I still
>>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>>> season's races.
>>>
>>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>>>
>>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>>> didn't call it a day.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>>> positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or should I get an
>>> extra round of golf in?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.
>
> Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and Masi
> DO NOT make the final decisions.
>
> Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.

Yeah it's a CONSPIRACY !

geoff

On 2022-04-12 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 1:46 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-11 6:18 a.m., News wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2022 4:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>>>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>>>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>>>> race itself.
>>>>
>>>> In recent years with some seemingly manipulated decisions regarding
>>>> safety cars/virtual safety cars and other instances that I now can't
>>>> off-hand recall I was getting frustrated.
>>>>
>>>> The Michael Masi incident seems to have been a final straw.  I still
>>>> have not watch the end of that race and I have not watch any of this
>>>> season's races.
>>>>
>>>> Money has taken over interesting tracks and especially the boringly
>>>> landscaped (or not as the case might be) of the Middle Eastern tracks.
>>>>
>>>> No doubt I'm merely showing my age and I was a bit surprised that HAM
>>>> didn't call it a day.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I'm still here, just, and still haven't looked at the final
>>>> positions of today's race.  Is it worth watching or should I get an
>>>> extra round of golf in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> El Supremo's 'spectacle' is long gone, thanks in part to buddy Tilke.
>>
>> Why is it you people can't figure out that people such as Tilke and
>> Masi DO NOT make the final decisions.
>>
>> Their job is to distract you from those who DO make those decisions.
>
> Yeah it's a CONSPIRACY !

In a sense, yes, it is.

The commissioner in a major sport (such as hockey) is in the same
position: he takes the heat so that people will ignore the fact that he
only does what the owners want done.

Tilke designs tracks...

....but they don't get built without the agreement of those in charge.

Masi was running the races...

....and doing so in the manner desired by those in charge.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 7:22:23 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> In a sense, yes, it is.

But you have no sense.
So that means fuck all.
You have no credibility here.
Logoff and FOAD.

a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> writes:
> On 4/10/2022 1:09 PM, AnthonyL wrote:
>> For at least the past 20 years I have studiously avoided the news and
>> this forum until I've watched the highlights of qualifying and the
>> race itself.
....
> In my opinion, if you can try to just enjoy the competition,
> without a strong feeling as to what should happen,
> today's race (and the prior two) should be enjoyable.
>
> This year passing is possible.
> This year most drivers have been careful to
> not collide or horribly block.
> Emotions seem in safe check.

In general agreement. I'm not going to let one moment of idiocy spoil
my enjoyment of watching the best in the world doing what they're
good at. And right now, the field is very strong. I almost don't have
any single team/driver preferences. I even like it when either Sainz
or Leclerc do well even though I give no fucks for Ferrari. Most of
the dross has been cleared out - I'm positive.

Phil
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