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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:33:09 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-23 5:47 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> > Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-04-22 1:53 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-04-22 1:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
> >>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2022-04-21 6:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>> ?Whereas for both of us, there isn?t that because Lewis has been here
> >>>>>>> for so long; I?m the new kid within the team and I?m not going to go out
> >>>>>>> there trying to be the leader of the team when I?m going up against the
> >>>>>>> greatest of all time who?s been here for 10 years. He is like the
> >>>>>>> captain of the team and that?s how it should be.?? - George Russell, Apr
> >>>>>>> 2022
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just being polite I guess.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Pol"... ...something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Politic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Confirmation...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ...bias.
> >>>>
> >>>> Really? Why?
> >>>>
> >>>> The simple fact is that Russell is pretty much as fast as Hamilton in
> >>>> the same car. So if Russell is correct, then doesn't that make him the
> >>>> second "greatest of all time"?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we should decide that when George has done 15 seasons and won 8
> >>> (sorry 7) world championships.
> >>
> >> You get that if George had been around in as dominant a car he would
> >> probably have one just as many championships...
> >>
> > Quite possibly, but he wasn’t and he hasn’t.
> >
> > Given that the concept of GOAT is almost entirely subjective, the time to
> > compare the acknowledged greats of the sport is when their careers are over
> > (as we must assume Hamilton’s nearly is).
> >
> > It is entirely possible that Leclerc, Verstappen and/or Russell will join
> > the pantheon of acknowledged greats but it is much too early to say.
> >
> > The number of WDCs won is a rather unreliable measure (compare Vettel and
> > Alonso) but, if one were to use it, Schumacher and Hamilton would be the
> > two standout drivers. Both had dominant cars for much of their careers,
> > both won WDCs for two different teams but, whereas Michael usually had
> > No.1. status and a compliant team mate, Lewis didn’t.
> >
> This is my problem, Tim.
>
> Championships do not actually define who is great.
>
> I'm sorry, but they just do not.
>
> The greats usually win them, but that is because their talent is seen
> and they end up getting the rides they want in the best cars.
>
> Put simply:
>
> Would Hamilton be any less a great driver (and I agree: he IS A GREAT
> DRIVER) if for some reason he had been locked into a long-term contract
> with... ...Williams for the last decade?

fuck off troll

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:34:07 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 9:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Slang wrote:
> >
> >> Il 23/04/2022 20:02, Mark ha scritto:
> >>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Are you here to contradict the words of Hamilton himself?
> >>
> >> "If I hadn't put my ass on MB I would still have only one world
> >> title".
> >>
> >> He knows it better than all of you put together, i think.
> >>
> >
> > You can't be one of the GOAT without making the right decisions... or
> > even getting lucky now and again.
> So you're seriously saying that Hamilton's talent AS A DRIVER depends on
> which team he chooses do drive for?

fuck off troll

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 by: build - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:30 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:51:54 AM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> > On 2022-04-24 9:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> >> Slang wrote:
> >>
> >>> Il 23/04/2022 20:02, Mark ha scritto:
> >>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you here to contradict the words of Hamilton himself?
> >>>
> >>> "If I hadn't put my ass on MB I would still have only one world
> >>> title".
> >>>
> >>> He knows it better than all of you put together, i think.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You can't be one of the GOAT without making the right decisions... or
> >> even getting lucky now and again.
> >
> > So you're seriously saying that Hamilton's talent AS A DRIVER depends on
> > which team he chooses do drive for?
> >
> Surely the point is that Hamilton’s talent was so obvious that several
> teams were keen to sign him. Not many drivers are in that situation.
>
> --
> Sir Tim

There are no GOATS.

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 by: texas gate - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:03 UTC

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 2:30:07 PM UTC-6, build wrote:
> On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 3:51:54 AM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
> > Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> > > On 2022-04-24 9:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > >> Slang wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Il 23/04/2022 20:02, Mark ha scritto:
> > >>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Are you here to contradict the words of Hamilton himself?
> > >>>
> > >>> "If I hadn't put my ass on MB I would still have only one world
> > >>> title".
> > >>>
> > >>> He knows it better than all of you put together, i think.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> You can't be one of the GOAT without making the right decisions... or
> > >> even getting lucky now and again.
> > >
> > > So you're seriously saying that Hamilton's talent AS A DRIVER depends on
> > > which team he chooses do drive for?
> > >
> > Surely the point is that Hamilton’s talent was so obvious that several
> > teams were keen to sign him. Not many drivers are in that situation.
> >
> > --
> > Sir Tim
> There are no GOATS.

Alan is the goat moron.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:32 UTC

On 2022-04-24 10:51 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-24 9:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Slang wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il 23/04/2022 20:02, Mark ha scritto:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you here to contradict the words of Hamilton himself?
>>>>
>>>> "If I hadn't put my ass on MB I would still have only one world
>>>> title".
>>>>
>>>> He knows it better than all of you put together, i think.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can't be one of the GOAT without making the right decisions... or
>>> even getting lucky now and again.
>>
>> So you're seriously saying that Hamilton's talent AS A DRIVER depends on
>> which team he chooses do drive for?
>>
>
> Surely the point is that Hamilton’s talent was so obvious that several
> teams were keen to sign him. Not many drivers are in that situation.
>

You've missed the point of what I'm saying.

Would his abilities have been any less if by some chance he'd ended up
on a team that was utterly un-competitive? And the question is
rhetorical and the answer is (obviously): "Of course not".

Well the reverse applies as well.

One cannot point to 7 championships as "proof" of his abilities either.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:33 UTC

On 2022-04-24 12:50 p.m., build wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:47:44 PM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-22 1:53 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-22 1:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
>>>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-21 6:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> ?Whereas for both of us, there isn?t that because Lewis has been here
>>>>>>>> for so long; I?m the new kid within the team and I?m not going to go out
>>>>>>>> there trying to be the leader of the team when I?m going up against the
>>>>>>>> greatest of all time who?s been here for 10 years. He is like the
>>>>>>>> captain of the team and that?s how it should be.?? - George Russell, Apr
>>>>>>>> 2022
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just being polite I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Pol"... ...something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Politic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Confirmation...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...bias.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really? Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> The simple fact is that Russell is pretty much as fast as Hamilton in
>>>>> the same car. So if Russell is correct, then doesn't that make him the
>>>>> second "greatest of all time"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should decide that when George has done 15 seasons and won 8
>>>> (sorry 7) world championships.
>>>
>>> You get that if George had been around in as dominant a car he would
>>> probably have one just as many championships...
>>>
>> Quite possibly, but he wasn’t and he hasn’t.
>>
>> Given that the concept of GOAT is almost entirely subjective, the time to
>> compare the acknowledged greats of the sport is when their careers are over
>> (as we must assume Hamilton’s nearly is).
>>
>> It is entirely possible that Leclerc, Verstappen and/or Russell will join
>> the pantheon of acknowledged greats but it is much too early to say.
>>
>> The number of WDCs won is a rather unreliable measure (compare Vettel and
>> Alonso) but, if one were to use it, Schumacher and Hamilton would be the
>> two standout drivers. Both had dominant cars for much of their careers,
>> both won WDCs for two different teams but, whereas Michael usually had
>> No.1. status and a compliant team mate, Lewis didn’t.
>>
>> --
>> Sir Tim
>
> Lewis has had "No 1" status. By hook or by crook.
> Only a fool would doubt that.

Correct.

Absolutely, indisputably correct.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:32:44 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 10:51 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> > Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-04-24 9:51 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> >>> Slang wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Il 23/04/2022 20:02, Mark ha scritto:
> >>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you here to contradict the words of Hamilton himself?
> >>>>
> >>>> "If I hadn't put my ass on MB I would still have only one world
> >>>> title".
> >>>>
> >>>> He knows it better than all of you put together, i think.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You can't be one of the GOAT without making the right decisions... or
> >>> even getting lucky now and again.
> >>
> >> So you're seriously saying that Hamilton's talent AS A DRIVER depends on
> >> which team he chooses do drive for?
> >>
> >
> > Surely the point is that Hamilton’s talent was so obvious that several
> > teams were keen to sign him. Not many drivers are in that situation.
> >
> You've missed the point of what I'm saying.
>
> Would his abilities have been any less if by some chance he'd ended up
> on a team that was utterly un-competitive? And the question is
> rhetorical and the answer is (obviously): "Of course not".
>
> Well the reverse applies as well.
>
> One cannot point to 7 championships as "proof" of his abilities either.

fuck you
you trolling cock sucker
fuck of asshole

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:33:06 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 12:50 p.m., build wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:47:44 PM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
> >> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2022-04-22 1:53 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-04-22 1:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
> >>>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-04-21 6:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ?Whereas for both of us, there isn?t that because Lewis has been here
> >>>>>>>> for so long; I?m the new kid within the team and I?m not going to go out
> >>>>>>>> there trying to be the leader of the team when I?m going up against the
> >>>>>>>> greatest of all time who?s been here for 10 years. He is like the
> >>>>>>>> captain of the team and that?s how it should be.?? - George Russell, Apr
> >>>>>>>> 2022
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just being polite I guess.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Pol"... ...something.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Politic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Confirmation...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...bias.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Really? Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The simple fact is that Russell is pretty much as fast as Hamilton in
> >>>>> the same car. So if Russell is correct, then doesn't that make him the
> >>>>> second "greatest of all time"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps we should decide that when George has done 15 seasons and won 8
> >>>> (sorry 7) world championships.
> >>>
> >>> You get that if George had been around in as dominant a car he would
> >>> probably have one just as many championships...
> >>>
> >> Quite possibly, but he wasn’t and he hasn’t.
> >>
> >> Given that the concept of GOAT is almost entirely subjective, the time to
> >> compare the acknowledged greats of the sport is when their careers are over
> >> (as we must assume Hamilton’s nearly is).
> >>
> >> It is entirely possible that Leclerc, Verstappen and/or Russell will join
> >> the pantheon of acknowledged greats but it is much too early to say.
> >>
> >> The number of WDCs won is a rather unreliable measure (compare Vettel and
> >> Alonso) but, if one were to use it, Schumacher and Hamilton would be the
> >> two standout drivers. Both had dominant cars for much of their careers,
> >> both won WDCs for two different teams but, whereas Michael usually had
> >> No.1. status and a compliant team mate, Lewis didn’t.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sir Tim
> >
> > Lewis has had "No 1" status. By hook or by crook.
> > Only a fool would doubt that.
> Correct.
>
> Absolutely, indisputably correct.

you stupid trolling fucking idiot

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:33:06 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 12:50 p.m., build wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 10:47:44 PM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
> >> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2022-04-22 1:53 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-04-22 1:06 a.m., Mark wrote:
> >>>>>> Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-04-21 6:36 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ?Whereas for both of us, there isn?t that because Lewis has been here
> >>>>>>>> for so long; I?m the new kid within the team and I?m not going to go out
> >>>>>>>> there trying to be the leader of the team when I?m going up against the
> >>>>>>>> greatest of all time who?s been here for 10 years. He is like the
> >>>>>>>> captain of the team and that?s how it should be.?? - George Russell, Apr
> >>>>>>>> 2022
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just being polite I guess.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Pol"... ...something.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Politic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Confirmation...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...bias.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Really? Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The simple fact is that Russell is pretty much as fast as Hamilton in
> >>>>> the same car. So if Russell is correct, then doesn't that make him the
> >>>>> second "greatest of all time"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps we should decide that when George has done 15 seasons and won 8
> >>>> (sorry 7) world championships.
> >>>
> >>> You get that if George had been around in as dominant a car he would
> >>> probably have one just as many championships...
> >>>
> >> Quite possibly, but he wasn’t and he hasn’t.
> >>
> >> Given that the concept of GOAT is almost entirely subjective, the time to
> >> compare the acknowledged greats of the sport is when their careers are over
> >> (as we must assume Hamilton’s nearly is).
> >>
> >> It is entirely possible that Leclerc, Verstappen and/or Russell will join
> >> the pantheon of acknowledged greats but it is much too early to say.
> >>
> >> The number of WDCs won is a rather unreliable measure (compare Vettel and
> >> Alonso) but, if one were to use it, Schumacher and Hamilton would be the
> >> two standout drivers. Both had dominant cars for much of their careers,
> >> both won WDCs for two different teams but, whereas Michael usually had
> >> No.1. status and a compliant team mate, Lewis didn’t.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sir Tim
> >
> > Lewis has had "No 1" status. By hook or by crook.
> > Only a fool would doubt that.
> Correct.
>
> Absolutely, indisputably correct.

you know fuck all.
you dumb cunt.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:33:06 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Correct.
>
> Absolutely, indisputably correct.

fuck off
you fucking moron

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> You've missed the point of what I'm saying.

Thats because you are a trolling fucking idiot.
Logoff you stupid cunt.
And go fuck yourself.
You numb fuck.

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 by: Geoff May - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:55 UTC

On 24/04/2022 21:30, build wrote:
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> There are no GOATS.

Of course there is:
https://static.secure.website/wscfus/7825299/uploads/Mad_Dash_Butt.jpg

Cheers

Geoff

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