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 by: Sir Tim - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05 UTC

Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
extract more performance from his car than Lewis.

The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
plausible.

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 by: texas gate - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:18 UTC

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 12:05:30 PM UTC-6, Sir Tim wrote:

> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
> of last year’s fiasco.

lol

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 by: build - Sun, 24 Apr 2022 20:36 UTC

On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 4:05:30 AM UTC+10, Sir Tim wrote:
> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
> of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>
> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
> plausible.
>
>
> --
> Sir Tim

Hmmm. Seems your memory is weakening.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 03:52 UTC

On 2022-04-24 11:05 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
> of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>
> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
> plausible.
>
>

I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound plausible to me.

Every driver is always struggling ALL THE TIME to extract every bit of
performance from EVERY car they drive.

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 by: geoff - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 04:16 UTC

On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
> of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>
> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
> plausible.
>
>

I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
remained in the train that most the race was ?

geoff

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 04:42 UTC

On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>> and,
>> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after
>> effects
>> of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is
>> managing to
>> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>>
>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
>> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
>> plausible.
>>
>>
>
> I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
> apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
> end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
> remained in the train that most the race was ?

Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.

If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't overcooked
it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is still 5
passes for position.

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 by: Mark Jackson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 04:49 UTC

On 4/25/2022 12:42 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:

>> I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching),
>> but apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he
>> otherwise end up where he was by default, and like everybody else
>> pretty much remained in the train that most the race was ?
>
> Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.
>
> If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't
> overcooked it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is
> still 5 passes for position.

He picked up 4 of those on the first lap (not counting Sainz crashing
out). His only pass after that was on Magnussen.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 05:06 UTC

On 2022-04-24 9:49 p.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 4/25/2022 12:42 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-24 9:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
>
>>> I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching),
>>>  but apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he
>>>  otherwise end up where he was by default, and like everybody else
>>>  pretty much remained in the train that most the race was ?
>>
>> Russell started the race 11th on the grid, and finished in 4th.
>>
>> If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't
>> overcooked it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is
>> still 5 passes for position.
>
> He picked up 4 of those on the first lap (not counting Sainz crashing
> out).  His only pass after that was on Magnussen.
>

So?

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 by: Bigbird - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 10:41 UTC

Sir Tim wrote:

> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
> Lewis.
>
> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
> car. Sounds plausible.

It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
remotely like a straight...
....and part of that might be because he is better motivated.

Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.

It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.

Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
difficult to assess how he really compares.

--
Bozo Bin
Alan Baker
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:16:27 +1200, geoff wrote:

> On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>> Lewis.
>>
>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car.
>> Sounds plausible.
>>
>>
>>
> I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
> apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
> end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
> remained in the train that most the race was ?
>
> geoff

I think Ham made a tactical error it continuing to hound Gasley.
had he backed off Gasley may have been able to pass Albon, instead of
defending & then the DRS chain would have been broken, making both Albon &
Gaasley considerably easier

--
Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
-- Don Marquis

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 9:52:06 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound plausible to me.

Sorry is for pussys.
You fucking pussy.

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 10:42:47 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> If Ricciardo hadn't had contact with Sainz and Leclerc hadn't overcooked
> it in one chicane, he would have finished 6th, and that is still 5
> passes for position.

fuck you

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On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:06:04 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> So?

go fuck yourself

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 by: Darryl Johnson - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:01 UTC

On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
> Sir Tim wrote:
>
>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>> Lewis.
>>
>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
>> car. Sounds plausible.
>
> It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
> feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
> remotely like a straight...
> ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.
>
> Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
> accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
> Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
> motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
> might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
> pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
> mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.
>
> It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
> the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
> different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.
>
> Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
> what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
> difficult to assess how he really compares.
>

The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.

I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
as Russell does.

Perhaps the Mercedes handles more like the Williams that Russell had
gotten to grips with, he is more comfortable and can coax more speed out
of the car than Hamilton (who is trying to cope with a car that doesn't
handle the way he likes.)

It certainly is an interesting development, whatever the underlying
reason, that Russell is doing comparatively better than Hamilton.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:05 UTC

On 2022-04-25 3:41 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Sir Tim wrote:
>
>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>> Lewis.
>>
>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
>> car. Sounds plausible.
>
> It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
> feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
> remotely like a straight...
> ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.
>
> Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
> accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
> Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
> motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
> might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
> pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
> mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.
>
> It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
> the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
> different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.
>
> Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
> what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
> difficult to assess how he really compares.
>

The 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix, where he drove Hamilton's car despite barely
being able to fit into it and was instantly as much faster than Bottas
as Hamilton typically was shows there is no "might" about it.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:07 UTC

On 2022-04-25 5:39 a.m., alister wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:16:27 +1200, geoff wrote:
>
>> On 25/04/2022 6:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>>> Lewis.
>>>
>>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car.
>>> Sounds plausible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I might have missed something (it was 1AM-3AM when I was watching), but
>> apart from a good passing manoeuvre (or maybe two), didn't he otherwise
>> end up where he was by default, and like everybody else pretty much
>> remained in the train that most the race was ?
>>
>> geoff
>
>
>
> I think Ham made a tactical error it continuing to hound Gasley.
> had he backed off Gasley may have been able to pass Albon, instead of
> defending & then the DRS chain would have been broken, making both Albon &
> Gaasley considerably easier

That is very possible. At the very least, it would have been worth
trying rather than attempting the same thing over and over again with no
success.

Even if it didn't work directly after (say) 5 laps of trying, backing
off from immediately behind Gasly would probably have been kinder to his
tires for another attempt at getting by later on.

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 by: Alan - Mon, 25 Apr 2022 16:08 UTC

On 2022-04-25 6:01 a.m., Darryl Johnson wrote:
> On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>> Sir Tim wrote:
>>
>>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>>> Lewis.
>>>
>>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
>>> car. Sounds plausible.
>>
>> It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
>> feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
>> remotely like a straight...
>> ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.
>>
>> Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
>> accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
>> Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
>> motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
>> might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
>> pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
>> mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
>> the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
>> different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.
>>
>> Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
>> what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
>> difficult to assess how he really compares.
>>
>
> The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
> a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.
>
> I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
> their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
> as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
> as Russell does.

That's certainly possible in a purely theoretical sense...

....but when it comes to handling balance, the teams can tune it to suit
a driver fairly easily.

And you'd better believe they're tuning it to suit Hamilton.

>
> Perhaps the Mercedes handles more like the Williams that Russell had
> gotten to grips with, he is more comfortable and can coax more speed out
> of the car than Hamilton (who is trying to cope with a car that doesn't
> handle the way he likes.)
>
> It certainly is an interesting development, whatever the underlying
> reason, that Russell is doing comparatively better than Hamilton.

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:07:16 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> That is very possible.

fuck off

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On Monday, April 25, 2022 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> That's certainly possible in a purely theoretical sense...

lol. fuck off buffoon

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 07:29 UTC

On 25/04/2022 4:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
> of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>
> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
> plausible.
>
>
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 by: Edmund - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 07:54 UTC

On 4/25/22 15:01, Darryl Johnson wrote:
> On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>> Sir Tim wrote:
>>
>>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>>> Lewis.
>>>
>>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because
>>> George has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive
>>> car. Sounds plausible.
>>
>> It might partially be because he has better been able to adapt to a key
>> feature of the Mercedes design i.e. the way it bunny hops down anything
>> remotely like a straight...
>> ...and part of that might be because he is better motivated.
>>
>> Hamilton is out there to win number eight. He seems to have already
>> accepted this cannot happen this year and is de-energised.
>> Russell, is in his ascendency. While disappointed he is still highly
>> motivated by being in a championship winning team, with what still
>> might be a decent car if they can find a way to mitigate the asphalt
>> pounding. He is in a car capable of fighting at the front of the
>> mid-field that is still quite a step forward from the Williams.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see an overlay of their laps to see where
>> the time differences are and to know if Hamilton has done anything
>> different, perhaps to go towards driveability over performance.
>>
>> Russell might be good enough to take the fight to Hamilton no matter
>> what the car but the porpoising is a rather unique handicap so it's
>> difficult to assess how he really compares.
>>
>
> The Sky commentators have mentioned several times that Verstappen likes
> a "pointy" car setup and that Perez prefers a stable rear end.
>
> I don't recall hearing anything about how Hamilton and Russell like
> their respective setups, but I do wonder if Hamilton just doesn't feel
> as comfortable with the Mercedes -- whatever its characteristics are --
> as Russell does.

I don't think any of them Rus/ham is very happy with their car, it bumps
way too much. Just like Ferrari BTW, the RB seems much more stable and
way easier to drive.

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

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 by: Mark - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 08:25 UTC

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 25/04/2022 4:05 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver and,
>> of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological after effects
>> of last year?s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that Russell is managing to
>> extract more performance from his car than Lewis.
>>
>> The 5 Live commentators were suggesting that this might be because George
>> has had a couple of years struggling with an uncompetitive car. Sounds
>> plausible.
>>
>>
> ?The true measure of a man is not how he behaves in moments of comfort
> and convenience but how he stands at times of controversy and challenges.?
>
> ? Martin Luther King Jr.

Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
(no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
(of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative
performances considerably.

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 by: geoff - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 10:23 UTC

On 26/04/2022 7:54 pm, Edmund wrote:
> On 4/25/22 15:01, Darryl Johnson wrote:
>> On 2022-04-25 6:41 AM, Bigbird wrote:
>>> Sir Tim wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of us have always acknowledged that GR is a very talented driver
>>>> and, of course, Hamilton must still be suffering the psychological
>>>> after effects of last year’s fiasco. Nevertheless it is clear that
>>>> Russell is managing to extract more performance from his car than
>>>> Lewis.
>
>
> I don't think any of them Rus/ham is very happy with their car, it bumps
> way too much. Just like Ferrari BTW, the RB seems much more stable and
> way easier to drive.
>

Other cars appear able to accelerate safely out of corners earlier too.

geoff

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 by: Slang - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 17:25 UTC

Il 26/04/2022 10:25, Mark ha scritto:

> Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
> second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
> youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
> (no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
> (of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative

So... better if LH retires.
We could have a better rememberance of him... when he was on the
missile! ;-)
S

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 by: Mark - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:04 UTC

Slang <cippalippa@cippalippa.com> wrote:
> Il 26/04/2022 10:25, Mark ha scritto:
>
>> Alternatively, consider the physical demands on Hamilton (at 37, the
>> second oldest driver) compared with Russell (at 24, the seventh
>> youngest). That level of vibration is not going to suit an older person
>> (no matter how fit) compared with a younger person. It won't suit either
>> (of course), but fixing the porpoising may well change the relative
>
> So... better if LH retires.

Really? You don't think better that Mercedes (and the other teams) fix
the porpoising?

This is supposed to be a test of driving skill not (solely) endurance.

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