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* Audi & Porsche 'decide to enter F1'Brian Lawrence
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 by: Brian Lawrence - Mon, 2 May 2022 15:37 UTC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61300470

"Porsche is said by F1 insiders to be preparing an alliance with Red Bull.

Porsche would partner with the team's new engine division, which has
been set up to design and build the drinks brand's own power-unit for
the new engine regulations due in F1 in 2026, and the team would run as
Red Bull-Porsche.

Audi will come in as a team and has been linked with buying out an
existing entrant."

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From: nom...@hotmail.com (Edmund)
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 by: Edmund - Mon, 2 May 2022 16:12 UTC

On 5/2/22 17:37, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>
>     https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61300470
>
> "Porsche is said by F1 insiders to be preparing an alliance with Red Bull.
>
> Porsche would partner with the team's new engine division, which has
> been set up to design and build the drinks brand's own power-unit for
> the new engine regulations due in F1 in 2026, and the team would run as
> Red Bull-Porsche.
>
> Audi will come in as a team and has been linked with buying out an
> existing entrant."

I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
and engines.
As we speak they taxed the Diesel to 2.2 Euro per liter and going.

The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it daily
about 20 times and now most people just believe it is true.
Pretty amazing.

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

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 by: Alan - Mon, 2 May 2022 16:35 UTC

On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
> On 5/2/22 17:37, Brian Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61300470
>>
>> "Porsche is said by F1 insiders to be preparing an alliance with Red
>> Bull.
>>
>> Porsche would partner with the team's new engine division, which has
>> been set up to design and build the drinks brand's own power-unit for
>> the new engine regulations due in F1 in 2026, and the team would run
>> as Red Bull-Porsche.
>>
>> Audi will come in as a team and has been linked with buying out an
>> existing entrant."
>
> I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
> and engines.
> As we speak they taxed the Diesel to 2.2 Euro per liter and going.
>
> The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it daily
> about 20 times and now most people just believe it is true.
> Pretty amazing.

"Made up something"?

Seriously?

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vphz0HbbQVo>

That's more than 40 years of trend.

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 by: texas gate - Mon, 2 May 2022 17:00 UTC

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:36:00 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> "Made up something"?
>
> Seriously?

Fuck off troll.
Take your link and fuck off back to rec.sport.golf.
You fucking dumb cunt.

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 by: Bob Latham - Mon, 2 May 2022 18:19 UTC

In article <t4p19e$cmr$1@dont-email.me>,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:

> > I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
> > fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
> > 2.2 Euro per liter and going.
> >
> > The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
> > daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
> > true. Pretty amazing.

> "Made up something"?

> Seriously?

Oh yes. the biggest load of propaganda in history.

The slight warming has happened before and will happen again with or
without man.

Governments do not care about the poverty and death their policies
will bring, they only care about their naive religion.

Key facts
=========
70% of solar energy (not reflected by particles) gets to the
atmosphere and the
Earth's surface. The atmosphere radiates back to space 58% of
incoming solar
energy:-
23% absorbed by atmosphere
25% evaporation
5% convection
5% of radiation from the surface is absorbed by green house gases.
12% balance is radiated directly from surface to space.

Of the 5% absorbed by green house gases, 95% are absorbed by water
vapour and
3.97% by CO2.
Thus 0.1985% of solar radiation is absorbed by CO2, if not already
saturated.

CO2 forms 0.0412% of atmosphere.
56% comes from the oceans
38% from breath exhalations.
6% from fossil fuels.
CO2 is released by the oceans following a rise in temperature.
CO2 from human combustion creates 0.00244% of the atmosphere.
For the last 5 million years, CO2 has been lower than the previous
550M years, except possibly for a trough in the permian epoch 250M
years ago.

CO2 did not cause the Holocene optimum, Minoan warming, Roman
warming, Medieval warming or Modern warming.

CERES satellite data shows outgoing longwave radiation from the earth
has *increased* (not been trapped by a mythical man-blanket) and
outgoing solar shortwave radiation (reflected off cloud tops) has
reduced. More sun past less cloud = global warming.

CO2 is a trace gas essential to life and is nearly the lowest it has
ever been. It is definitely not pollution. We had an ice age with 10
times the CO2 we have now.

No amount of making people live impoverished lives in cold homes only
to die of poverty will make any difference to the weather or the
climate. The Gods will not accept the sacrifice and save us. What
we're doing is madness close to witch burning naivety and stupidity.

Science corrupted to support political ideology again.

The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...

Bob.

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 by: Slang - Mon, 2 May 2022 19:34 UTC

Il 02/05/2022 20:19, Bob Latham ha scritto:

>
>
> Key facts
> =========
.........................
> Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
>
> The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
> penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
>
>
> Bob.
>
Key fact:
glaciers are at an all-time low.
Analysis of the ice columns obtained from the glacier perforations allow
to derive the quantity of CO2 present in the various geological eras.
And data are rather troubling.
Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on earth,
is unable to face the variations linked to climate change without
catastrophic consequences.
Then, if we really can't do anything to counter the warming, let's get
ready for such critical periods that in comparison, we will remember the
disappearance of the dinosaurs as a funny story to tell to the
grandchildren.
S

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On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:35:53 PM UTC-6, Slang wrote:

> Key fact:

Key fact: You are an idiot.

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 by: geoff - Tue, 3 May 2022 07:44 UTC

On 3/05/2022 6:19 am, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <t4p19e$cmr$1@dont-email.me>,
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>
>>> I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
>>> fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
>>> 2.2 Euro per liter and going.
>>>
>>> The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
>>> daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
>>> true. Pretty amazing.
>
>> "Made up something"?
>
>> Seriously?
>
> Oh yes. the biggest load of propaganda in history.
>
> The slight warming has happened before and will happen again with or
> without man.
>
> Governments do not care about the poverty and death their policies
> will bring, they only care about their naive religion.
>
>
> Key facts
> =========
> 70% of solar energy (not reflected by particles) gets to the
> atmosphere and the
> Earth's surface. The atmosphere radiates back to space 58% of
> incoming solar
> energy:-
> 23% absorbed by atmosphere
> 25% evaporation
> 5% convection
> 5% of radiation from the surface is absorbed by green house gases.
> 12% balance is radiated directly from surface to space.
>
> Of the 5% absorbed by green house gases, 95% are absorbed by water
> vapour and
> 3.97% by CO2.
> Thus 0.1985% of solar radiation is absorbed by CO2, if not already
> saturated.
>
> CO2 forms 0.0412% of atmosphere.
> 56% comes from the oceans
> 38% from breath exhalations.
> 6% from fossil fuels.
> CO2 is released by the oceans following a rise in temperature.
> CO2 from human combustion creates 0.00244% of the atmosphere.
> For the last 5 million years, CO2 has been lower than the previous
> 550M years, except possibly for a trough in the permian epoch 250M
> years ago.
>
> CO2 did not cause the Holocene optimum, Minoan warming, Roman
> warming, Medieval warming or Modern warming.
>
> CERES satellite data shows outgoing longwave radiation from the earth
> has *increased* (not been trapped by a mythical man-blanket) and
> outgoing solar shortwave radiation (reflected off cloud tops) has
> reduced. More sun past less cloud = global warming.
>
> CO2 is a trace gas essential to life and is nearly the lowest it has
> ever been. It is definitely not pollution. We had an ice age with 10
> times the CO2 we have now.
>
> No amount of making people live impoverished lives in cold homes only
> to die of poverty will make any difference to the weather or the
> climate. The Gods will not accept the sacrifice and save us. What
> we're doing is madness close to witch burning naivety and stupidity.
>
> Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
>
> The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
> penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
>
>
> Bob.
>

Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.

geoff

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 May 2022 08:55 UTC

In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
> apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.

It looks like you've not actually seen the breakdown of what
scientists actually thought when asked specific questions. The
problem is the lying media as usual.

The media don't tell you facts anymore, they tell you what you should
believe.

Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that disagree
with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh" proclaimed by
loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come to nothing. Even
prince Charles - his prediction came and went just like all the
others. In the 70s we were told daily how we were heading for another
ice age as temperatures had fallen since 1940. 30 years of cooling
whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post war world.

I quote David Bellamy:

"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."

And Richard Feynman.
"I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
can't be questioned."

Science works by debate if you shut down one side of the debate with
statements like " The science is settled" or "the majority of
scientists agree" etc. you are being anti science and proving this is
a politics and religion and nothing to do with fact.

All of this come from watermelons, people who are green on the
outside and red on the inside, they see it as a way to destroy
capitalism and they're being very successful. The gullible masses are
buying it. But when we have world communist government and the
weather is still the same, don't say I didn't tell you.

Bob.

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 by: Bob Latham - Tue, 3 May 2022 09:23 UTC

In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:

> Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
> apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.

Be open minded, give this video a chance see what you think. It is a
few years old now but that doesn't matter as you'll see...

https://youtu.be/xSgCsb34Bfs

Bob.

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 by: geoff - Tue, 3 May 2022 10:10 UTC

On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
>> apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
>
> It looks like you've not actually seen the breakdown of what
> scientists actually thought when asked specific questions. The
> problem is the lying media as usual.
>
> The media don't tell you facts anymore, they tell you what you should
> believe.

Cynical and an insult to journalists.But of course they are all in the
pay of Q. Donald would be proud of you.

> Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that disagree
> with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh" proclaimed by
> loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come to nothing. Even
> prince Charles - his prediction came and went just like all the
> others. In the 70s we were told daily how we were heading for another
> ice age as temperatures had fallen since 1940. 30 years of cooling
> whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post war world.

And what has happened since then - the 'natural' factors have suddenly
changed ?

> I quote David Bellamy:
>
> "Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
> do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
> amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."

Must be getting senile, or hoping for a Lordship. Certainly can't stop
the natural cycles, and nobody suggesting they should be. But there is
plenty we can do to EXACERBATE 'these cycles', which is what has been
happening in the last hundred years and is comprehensively demonstrated.
What you gloss over is the RATE of change that has never occurred before
naturally, apart from maybe the odd asteroid-strike or huge volcanic
activity period.

>
> And Richard Feynman.
> "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
> can't be questioned."

And they are questioned and answered, comprehensively in both directions.
> Science works by debate if you shut down one side of the debate with
> statements like " The science is settled" or "the majority of
> scientists agree" etc. you are being anti science and proving this is
> a politics and religion and nothing to do with fact.

No such assertions made by people who understand.

>
> All of this come from watermelons, people who are green on the
> outside and red on the inside, they see it as a way to destroy
> capitalism and they're being very successful. The gullible masses are
> buying it. But when we have world communist government and the
> weather is still the same, don't say I didn't tell you.

Jeeze - you make Ayn Rand sound like some sort of trendy lefty !
geoff

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In article <SImdnXkoatQXYu3_nZ2dnUU7-VHNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
> > In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,

> > Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that
> > disagree with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh"
> > proclaimed by loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come
> > to nothing. Even prince Charles - his prediction came and went
> > just like all the others. In the 70s we were told daily how we
> > were heading for another ice age as temperatures had fallen since
> > 1940. 30 years of cooling whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post
> > war world.

> And what has happened since then - the 'natural' factors have
> suddenly changed ?

Watch the video and it will show you !

Bob.

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 by: CS - Tue, 3 May 2022 10:23 UTC

CO2 is a distraction.

Read the 1972 MIT paper "Limits to Growth"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth#:~:text=The%20Limits%20to%20Growth%20(LTG,the%20earth%20and%20human%20systems.

In 2020, an analysis by Gaya Herrington (Sustainability and Dynamic System Analysis Lead at KPMG in the United States but in a personal capacity) was published in Yale's Journal of Industrial Ecology.The study assessed whether, given key data known in 2020 about factors important for the "Limits to Growth" report, the original report's conclusions are supported.
The study found that current empirical data is broadly consistent with the 1972 projections, and that if major changes to the consumption of resources are not undertaken, economic growth will peak and then rapidly decline by around 2040.

Luckily I'll be pushing up daisies!!

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 by: Edmund - Tue, 3 May 2022 10:53 UTC

On 5/2/22 21:34, Slang wrote:
> Il 02/05/2022 20:19, Bob Latham ha scritto:
>
>>
>>
>> Key facts
>> =========
> ........................
>> Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
>>
>> The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
>> penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
>>
>>
>> Bob.
>>
> Key fact:
> glaciers are at an all-time low.

Oh really? Show us a graph of the last 4.5 billion years so we can see
for ourselves.

Fun fact : there are trees found in melted glaciers, do you really think
these trees have grown under the ice?

> Analysis of the ice columns obtained from the glacier perforations allow
> to derive the quantity of CO2 present in the various geological eras.
> And data are rather troubling.

Show it and tell us what is the problem.

> Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on earth,
> is unable to face the variations linked to climate change without
> catastrophic consequences.

Amazing, our ancestors walked around 6 million years ago and the
obviously coped very well with every change in the weather but now we can't?
Or are you try to tell us the climate was exactly the same the last 6
million years

> S

Edmund

--
“The further a society drift from the truth,
the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

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On 5/3/2022 6:23 AM, CS wrote:
> CO2 is a distraction.
>
> Read the 1972 MIT paper "Limits to Growth"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth#:~:text=The%20Limits%20to%20Growth%20(LTG,the%20earth%20and%20human%20systems.
>
> In 2020, an analysis by Gaya Herrington (Sustainability and Dynamic System Analysis Lead at KPMG in the United States but in a personal capacity) was published in Yale's Journal of Industrial Ecology.The study assessed whether, given key data known in 2020 about factors important for the "Limits to Growth" report, the original report's conclusions are supported.
> The study found that current empirical data is broadly consistent with the 1972 projections, and that if major changes to the consumption of resources are not undertaken, economic growth will peak and then rapidly decline by around 2040.
>
> Luckily I'll be pushing up daisies!!

Forrester pioneered the concept of system dynamics in the social realm.

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:10:24 AM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> Jeeze - you make Ayn Rand sound like some sort of trendy lefty !

and you sound like a fucking moron

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:23:22 AM UTC-6, CS wrote:

> Luckily I'll be pushing up daisies!!

Off yourself now.
Then no more bullshit posts.

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 by: Phil Carmody - Tue, 3 May 2022 14:54 UTC

Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> writes:
> In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
>> apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
>
> Be open minded, give this video a chance see what you think. It is a
> few years old now but that doesn't matter as you'll see...
>
> https://youtu.be/xSgCsb34Bfs

Not a climate scientist, shouldn't be taken as an authority.
He's also notorious for doing *bad science* in this field.
Flaws such as cherry picking, which is basically almost as
bad as just falsifying data.
https://skepticalscience.com/flaws_of_ludecke_and_weiss.html

However, that presentation is pure bullshit, his first clearly-
stated conclusion in the 10th minute is absolutely false and
not derivable from the data that he presented.

If you're naive enough to be sucked in by that vid, then a
formal disproof will almost certainly not convince you, as
you simply wouldn't understand it. But I'll throw you a bone:
1) Take the raw source data he's using.
2) Add your own made up "industrial influence" to it.
3) Perform his spectral analysis.
4) Reconstruct a smoothed curve from that spectral analysis.
5) Notice this periodic pattern is a good match for the data.
6) Pat yourself on the back, because you're just like like him, and
7) Conclude there's no industial influence on the data.
8) Look up at step (2) and realise you've been duped.

TL;DR: No matter *what* the input is, his methods will conclude
the same thing, namely "it's just periodic". More explicitly:
his conclusion tells you *nothing* about the actual data, and
the reality that caused the data.

It's just bad science.

Phil

--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

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In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:

> It's just bad science.

Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.

Bob.

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 by: Mark Jackson - Tue, 3 May 2022 15:51 UTC

On 5/3/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
> Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>
>> It's just bad science.
>
> Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
> science it's propaganda.

Phil watched your oh-so-convincing video, and debunked it. Perhaps you
should begin questioning your own propaganda.

Earlier, Bob Latham wrote:

> And Richard Feynman.
> "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
> can't be questioned."

Feynman knew when questioning the answer turns delusional. You could
learn from him.

--
Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
COBOL could be here forever. Thus, Y2K+N problems are
likely to recur for all nonnegative integer values of N.
- Peter G. Neumann

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On 5/3/2022 11:51 AM, Mark Jackson wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
>> In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
>>     Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It's just bad science.
>>
>> Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
>> science it's propaganda.
>
> Phil watched your oh-so-convincing video, and debunked it.  Perhaps you
> should begin questioning your own propaganda.
>
> Earlier, Bob Latham wrote:
>
>> And Richard Feynman.
>> "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
>> can't be questioned."
>
> Feynman knew when questioning the answer turns delusional.  You could
> learn from him.
>

+1

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On 2022-05-02 11:19 a.m., Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <t4p19e$cmr$1@dont-email.me>,
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
>
>>> I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
>>> fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
>>> 2.2 Euro per liter and going.
>>>
>>> The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
>>> daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
>>> true. Pretty amazing.
>
>> "Made up something"?
>
>> Seriously?
>
> Oh yes. the biggest load of propaganda in history.
>
> The slight warming has happened before and will happen again with or
> without man.
>
> Governments do not care about the poverty and death their policies
> will bring, they only care about their naive religion.
>
>
> Key facts
> =========
> 70% of solar energy (not reflected by particles) gets to the
> atmosphere and the
> Earth's surface. The atmosphere radiates back to space 58% of
> incoming solar
> energy:-
> 23% absorbed by atmosphere
> 25% evaporation
> 5% convection
> 5% of radiation from the surface is absorbed by green house gases.
> 12% balance is radiated directly from surface to space.
>
> Of the 5% absorbed by green house gases, 95% are absorbed by water
> vapour and
> 3.97% by CO2.
> Thus 0.1985% of solar radiation is absorbed by CO2, if not already
> saturated.
>
> CO2 forms 0.0412% of atmosphere.
> 56% comes from the oceans
> 38% from breath exhalations.
> 6% from fossil fuels.
> CO2 is released by the oceans following a rise in temperature.
> CO2 from human combustion creates 0.00244% of the atmosphere.
> For the last 5 million years, CO2 has been lower than the previous
> 550M years, except possibly for a trough in the permian epoch 250M
> years ago.
>
> CO2 did not cause the Holocene optimum, Minoan warming, Roman
> warming, Medieval warming or Modern warming.
>
> CERES satellite data shows outgoing longwave radiation from the earth
> has *increased* (not been trapped by a mythical man-blanket) and
> outgoing solar shortwave radiation (reflected off cloud tops) has
> reduced. More sun past less cloud = global warming.
>
> CO2 is a trace gas essential to life and is nearly the lowest it has
> ever been. It is definitely not pollution. We had an ice age with 10
> times the CO2 we have now.
>
> No amount of making people live impoverished lives in cold homes only
> to die of poverty will make any difference to the weather or the
> climate. The Gods will not accept the sacrifice and save us. What
> we're doing is madness close to witch burning naivety and stupidity.
>
> Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
>
> The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
> penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
>
>
> Bob.
>

Your source for all of that please?

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On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:55:55 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Your source for all of that please?

Here comes numbnuts from rec.sport.golf.
Useless as tits on a bull.

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 by: Slang - Tue, 3 May 2022 18:13 UTC

Il 03/05/2022 12:53, Edmund ha scritto:

>> Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on
>> earth, is unable to face the variations linked to climate change
>> without catastrophic consequences.
>
> Amazing, our ancestors walked around 6 million years ago and the
> obviously coped very well with every change in the weather but now we
> can't?
> Or are you try to tell us the climate was exactly the same the last 6
> million years
>
>
>> S
>
> Edmund
>
>
Do you really want to live like our ancestors? I'd like to see you kill
animals with your club for food.
But, before reaching this situation, millions of migrants from submerged
or no longer habitable lands could represent a big problem.
Think if someone came in front of our houses and camped there.
And most likely they wouldn't have money, jobs and food ... hummmm, big
problems on the horizon.
And we are not talking about a few hundred thousand people, who are
already creating considerable problems in this way.
We are talking about tens of millions.
And in any case it would be a tremendous shock to the economy: we will
smile as we remember past crises.
But maybe a higher wall could be enough, right?
S.

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 by: texas gate - Tue, 3 May 2022 18:18 UTC

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-6, Slang wrote:

> Do you really want to live like our ancestors? I'd like to see you kill
> animals with your club for food.
> But, before reaching this situation, millions of migrants from submerged
> or no longer habitable lands could represent a big problem.
> Think if someone came in front of our houses and camped there.
> And most likely they wouldn't have money, jobs and food ... hummmm, big
> problems on the horizon.
> And we are not talking about a few hundred thousand people, who are
> already creating considerable problems in this way.
> We are talking about tens of millions.
> And in any case it would be a tremendous shock to the economy: we will
> smile as we remember past crises.
> But maybe a higher wall could be enough, right?
> S.

Got anything on Porsche F1?
Fucking troll.

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