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On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-6, build wrote:

> While I rarely listen to the commentators during the race,

what a crock of shit
fuck off moron

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 3:14:49 AM UTC+10, Phil Carmody wrote:
> geoff <ge...@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
> > On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
> >>>>> Gotta be George.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
> >>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Got to be Russell.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
> >>> yet again.
> >>
> >> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
> >
> > He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
> > to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
> > that part at least) ?
> There was a message from RUS to the pits a few laps before the incident
> that was along the lines of ~"Should we just stay on the hards in case
> there's a safety car?", to which the pit concurred with a simple "affirm",
> or similar.
>
> So yes, he was very much in full control of his tyre strategy at that
> point, and that investment paid off handsomely.
>
> Which contrasts him against Lewis' ~"I don't know, that's your job"
> in response to a question about whether he wanted to change tyres
> several laps into the safety car period.
>
> However, much as I think his strategic smarts, and subsequent overtake
> of a 7 time world champion in the same car are a strong argument for
> RUS, my DotD has to go to the guy who caused a couple of Italians in the
> pub to be wailing and swearing and hand-waving and generally getting
> their nappies in a twist, good old double-Ferrai-beater VER.
>
> Phil
> --
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Phil,
It is worth noting both drivers had limited tyre options under the new tyre usage rules.
For the race they only had these tyres:
Lewis had: 3 "used" Soft, 1 new Medium (he started on those), 2 new Hard. Total 6 sets.
George had: 2 new Soft, 2 used Soft, 1 new Medium, 2 new Hard (he started on those). Total 7 sets.
George had 7 sets left, one more than Lewis because he did not get to Q3.
(that's all on the FIA site. Someone might like to post the link)

So Lewis could not stop for new 'Soft' or any 'Med' tyres. His only choice was new 'Hard' or 'Used Soft'. I thought about that at the time. Lewis can come alive with "adverse changes", he becomes that extraordinary driver we love. The new hard option was not an option because they took 2-3 laps to 'come in', or to warm through. He'd lose too much time. The used soft simply would not last to the end. If they had a new set of Mediums I reckon they would not have stopped either. Look at his times in the first stint on mediums. Even taking into account fuel loads.

There is a site where you can replay the "live timing" and see how it all panned out but there was nothing "wrong" with Lewis's strategy apart from, maybe he should have started on hard. BUT, that may well have cost him positions at the start.
NOTE# George did start on the hard tyre knowing he'd possibly lose places and indeed he did, he dropped from 13th to 15th. They would have put that into their race plan.
The fact is Lewis's lap times were not there. George was faster on the hard when Lewis on the medium. And, George was faster on the medium when Lewis was on the Hard. On another track, on another day those could easily be reversed or be equal.
---
George is one of those extraordinary drivers. I think he is better than all the others at this time, but we will see, I may well be wrong (that's the good bit). The great thing about this period of time in F1 is that there are so many "great" drivers, not just one or two. We have Lewis, Max, Charles, George and Nando (Seb?), all exceptionally "great" drivers. All of them could be 7 times champions in a car like "that Merc" the one that took 8 titles. And, backing up those are possibly great drivers are Checo, Carlos, Lando, Dan. On a good day we have Esteban, Valtteri, KMag and Pierre, possAlex, to entertain us with occasional exception drives. Think of Estebans drive last year. KMag, Alex and Valtteri were very good and very entertaining in Miami.

build

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On 10/05/2022 4:23 pm, build wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:32:46 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>> On 9/05/2022 8:59 pm, build wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:25:03 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Gotta be George.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
>>>>>>>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got to be Russell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Who "caused the SC" ??? Not George !
>>> build
>> Never suggested he did. But did did a huge benefit from it.
>> geoff
>
> You did. It's above but here you go.
> [QUOTE]
>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>> that part at least) ?
>>> geoff
>> There was no red flag during the race.
> Safety-car sorry.
> geoff
> [END QUOTE]

Ever heard of a rhetorical question ? Generally means the assertion is
opposite to the question at face-value. A bit complicated, eh.

>
> Your infatuation with Lewis is not healthy. Others are celebrating a great battle between Lewis and George while you are stuck in your own tunnel vision. This is the start of what may be one of the best battles we will ever see between team mates and indeed between teams with RedBull, Ferrari and Merc and their great drivers, Max, Checo, Charles, Carlos, Lewis and George. All great teams and great drivers battling for the title. We are being spoilt right now. Enjoy it, celebrate it. We are watching history being made.
>
> I know my boys will talk about their dads obsession with motorsport, driving and watching it on TV. And, in particular "his excitement about the 2022 season."

Also would love to see a good competition, preferably in even circumstances.

geoff

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 by: build - Tue, 10 May 2022 11:13 UTC

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:45:14 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
> On 10/05/2022 4:23 pm, build wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:32:46 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
> >> On 9/05/2022 8:59 pm, build wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:25:03 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
> >>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Gotta be George.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
> >>>>>>>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Got to be Russell.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
> >>>>>>>> yet again.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
> >>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
> >>>>>> that part at least) ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> geoff
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
> >>>> Safety-car sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> geoff
> >>>
> >>> Who "caused the SC" ??? Not George !
> >>> build
> >> Never suggested he did. But did did a huge benefit from it.
> >> geoff
> >
> > You did. It's above but here you go.
> > [QUOTE]
> >>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
> >>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
> >>> that part at least) ?
> >>> geoff
> >> There was no red flag during the race.
> > Safety-car sorry.
> > geoff
> > [END QUOTE]
> Ever heard of a rhetorical question ? Generally means the assertion is
> opposite to the question at face-value. A bit complicated, eh.

Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
build.

> >
> > Your infatuation with Lewis is not healthy. Others are celebrating a great battle between Lewis and George while you are stuck in your own tunnel vision. This is the start of what may be one of the best battles we will ever see between team mates and indeed between teams with RedBull, Ferrari and Merc and their great drivers, Max, Checo, Charles, Carlos, Lewis and George. All great teams and great drivers battling for the title. We are being spoilt right now. Enjoy it, celebrate it. We are watching history being made.
> >
> > I know my boys will talk about their dads obsession with motorsport, driving and watching it on TV. And, in particular "his excitement about the 2022 season."
> Also would love to see a good competition, preferably in even circumstances.
>
> geoff

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 by: geoff - Tue, 10 May 2022 22:40 UTC

On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:45:14 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/05/2022 4:23 pm, build wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:32:46 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 9/05/2022 8:59 pm, build wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:25:03 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gotta be George.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
>>>>>>>>>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Got to be Russell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>>>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Who "caused the SC" ??? Not George !
>>>>> build
>>>> Never suggested he did. But did did a huge benefit from it.
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> You did. It's above but here you go.
>>> [QUOTE]
>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>> geoff
>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>> geoff
>>> [END QUOTE]
>> Ever heard of a rhetorical question ? Generally means the assertion is
>> opposite to the question at face-value. A bit complicated, eh.
>
> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.

Statements are not generally ended with a question-mark.

geoff

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On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:40:24 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> Statements are not generally ended with a question-mark.

cant say you dont have a life

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 by: geoff - Fri, 13 May 2022 02:19 UTC

On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:

>
> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
> build.

I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
stint ?

Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.

geoff

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:19:40 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
> stint ?

fuck off with the excessive punctuation
form a sentence
you do need help

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 by: build - Fri, 13 May 2022 09:04 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
> > You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
> > If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
> > build.
> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
> stint ?
>
> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>
> geoff

Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>> yet again.
>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>> that part at least) ?
>>
>> geoff
>
> There was no red flag during the race.
Safety-car sorry.
geoff
END QUOTE.

There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Bye,
build

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 by: Alan - Fri, 13 May 2022 16:22 UTC

On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>> build.
>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
>> stint ?
>>
>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>
>> geoff
>
> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>> yet again.
>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>> that part at least) ?
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> There was no red flag during the race.
> Safety-car sorry.
> geoff
> END QUOTE.
>
> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 10:22:57 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...

fag

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 10:22:57 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...

you are a fucking joke

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 by: geoff - Sat, 14 May 2022 01:35 UTC

On 14/05/2022 4:22 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement.
>>>> Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
>>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest
>>>> you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to
>>>> get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>>> build.
>>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
>>> stint ?
>>>
>>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>> Safety-car sorry.
>> geoff
>> END QUOTE.
>>
>> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
>
> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...

How could it remotely be considered to not have been ?!!

geoff

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On 2022-05-13 6:35 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 4:22 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement.
>>>>> Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
>>>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest
>>>>> you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to
>>>>> get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>>>> build.
>>>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>>>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>>>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>>>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
>>>> stint ?
>>>>
>>>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>> geoff
>>> END QUOTE.
>>>
>>> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
>>
>> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...
>
> How could it remotely be considered to not have been ?!!
>
> geoff
>

Text is a terrible medium for humour.

Take it as a given that I have a reasonable sense of humour...

....and I completely missed what you were going for the first time I read it.

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 by: texas gate - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:31 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:56:13 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Take it as a given that I have a reasonable sense of humour...

oh ok dullard

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 by: build - Sun, 15 May 2022 01:59 UTC

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 2:22:57 AM UTC+10, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
> > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
> >> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
> >>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
> >>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
> >>> build.
> >> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
> >> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
> >> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
> >> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
> >> stint ?
> >>
> >> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
> >>
> >> geoff
> >
> > Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
> > On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> >>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
> >>>>> yet again.
> >>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
> >>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
> >>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
> >>> that part at least) ?
> >>>
> >>> geoff
> >>
> >> There was no red flag during the race.
> > Safety-car sorry.
> > geoff
> > END QUOTE.
> >
> > There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...

Reread the thread. He stated GR caused the red flag.
Then when corrected he repeated his "joke".
Nah, he was serious. Sadly.
Good of you though.

build

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 7:59:25 PM UTC-6, build wrote:

> Reread the thread.

fuck off bozo

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 by: Alan - Sun, 15 May 2022 04:00 UTC

On 2022-05-14 6:59 p.m., build wrote:
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 2:22:57 AM UTC+10, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
>>>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>>>> build.
>>>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>>>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>>>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>>>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the final
>>>> stint ?
>>>>
>>>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy leading up
>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>> geoff
>>> END QUOTE.
>>>
>>> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
>> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...
>
> Reread the thread. He stated GR caused the red flag.
> Then when corrected he repeated his "joke".
> Nah, he was serious. Sadly.
> Good of you though.

No, I don't think he was.

He was playing off my statement that that "you make your own luck".

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:00:53 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> No, I don't think he was.

there you go thinking again
you numb cunt

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 by: geoff - Sun, 15 May 2022 05:05 UTC

On 15/05/2022 4:00 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-14 6:59 p.m., build wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 2:22:57 AM UTC+10, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
>>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a
>>>>>> statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>>>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do you?
>>>>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly
>>>>>> suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and need
>>>>>> help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>>>>> build.
>>>>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>>>>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>>>>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>>>>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the
>>>>> final
>>>>> stint ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
>>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy
>>>>>> leading up
>>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>>> geoff
>>>> END QUOTE.
>>>>
>>>> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing
>>>> yourself.
>>> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...
>>
>> Reread the thread. He stated GR caused the red flag.
>> Then when corrected he repeated his "joke".
>> Nah, he was serious. Sadly.
>> Good of you though.
>
> No, I don't think he was.
>
> He was playing off my statement that that "you make your own luck".

For once Alan is right.

How could anybody, however insane, think that RUS somehow caused the
'red flag' incident (oops safety car, yes), and similarly imagine that
my comment was anything other than a joke ?!!

geoff

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 by: Alan - Sun, 15 May 2022 21:42 UTC

On 2022-05-14 10:05 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 4:00 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-14 6:59 p.m., build wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 2:22:57 AM UTC+10, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-13 2:04 a.m., build wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 12:19:40 PM UTC+10, geoff wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/05/2022 11:13 pm, build wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I have heard of a rhetorical question but you made a
>>>>>>> statement. Your statement was not rhetorical.
>>>>>>> You don't believe anyone else reading this would believe you, do
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>> If you do, then you are beyond help. If not then I strongly
>>>>>>> suggest you seek help. You do have a problem with reality and
>>>>>>> need help to get back to reality. I am very serious mate.
>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>> I need help because in response to the assertion that "In racing to a
>>>>>> certain extent, you make your own luck." I jokingly asked if RUS had
>>>>>> made his own luck by having an influence on the safety car happening,
>>>>>> and the team's (or HAM's - whatever) poor choice of tyres for the
>>>>>> final
>>>>>> stint ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously RUS did benefit by his suggestion to stay out longer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the full conversation. QUOTE:
>>>>> On 9/05/2022 5:23 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 9:58 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good
>>>>>>>>> luck
>>>>>>>>> yet again.
>>>>>>>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>>>>>>> He caused the red flag, or put himself on the tyre strategy
>>>>>>> leading up
>>>>>>> to the safety car (not impossible that he may have had some input in
>>>>>>> that part at least) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> geoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was no red flag during the race.
>>>>> Safety-car sorry.
>>>>> geoff
>>>>> END QUOTE.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no joke, nothing rhetorical. Please stop embarrassing
>>>>> yourself.
>>>> In hindsight, I can believe it was meant as a joke...
>>>
>>> Reread the thread. He stated GR caused the red flag.
>>> Then when corrected he repeated his "joke".
>>> Nah, he was serious. Sadly.
>>> Good of you though.
>>
>> No, I don't think he was.
>>
>> He was playing off my statement that that "you make your own luck".
>
>
> For once Alan is right.
>
> How could anybody, however insane,  think that RUS somehow caused the
> 'red flag' incident (oops safety car, yes), and similarly imagine that
> my comment was anything other than a joke ?!!

Hey...

....with the ignorance so commonly on display in this group, I thought it
was possible.

See... that was a joke.

:-)

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 by: texas gate - Sun, 15 May 2022 21:56 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 3:42:13 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> Hey...
>
> ...with the ignorance so commonly on display in this group, I thought it
> was possible.
> See... that was a joke.

hey cocksucker
you're the joke

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 by: geoff - Wed, 18 May 2022 00:40 UTC

On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
>>>> Gotta be George.
>>>>
>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Got to be Russell.
>>
>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>> yet again.
>
> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.

“You sound like a bit of a genius when things like that happen but it
was a total fluke,” was Russell’s candid opinion of his strategy call
after the race .

geoff

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 by: texas gate - Wed, 18 May 2022 00:48 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:41:03 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

> “You sound like a bit of a genius when things like that happen but it
> was a total fluke,” was Russell’s candid opinion of his strategy call
> after the race .

fuck are you a desperate troll
digging shit up from 8 days ago
get a life you fucking loser

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 by: Phil Carmody - Wed, 18 May 2022 20:31 UTC

geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> writes:
> On 9/05/2022 4:20 pm, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-08 7:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 9/05/2022 12:31 pm, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-08 2:46 p.m., build wrote:
>>>>> Gotta be George.
>>>>>
>>>>> A mention to Valtteri, Esteban and Alex who, OK had a lot of luck but
>>>>> he was there to take it. Good to see Alex finally doing well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got to be Russell.
>>>
>>> Of course, for obvious reasons. Not to mention a 'little' good luck
>>> yet again.
>>
>> In racing to a certain extent, you make your own luck.
>
> “You sound like a bit of a genius when things like that happen but it
> was a total fluke,” was Russell’s candid opinion of his strategy call
> after the race .

He's just being modest because he's not into the nitty-gritty of the
game theoretic principles that would justify his choice because it was
the weakly dominant strategy. But it was a good choice whether he
understands the game theory or not.

Phil
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