Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
has a chance to open ?

Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.

geoff

On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?
>
> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>
> geoff

Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

To me it seems more that they had some kind of Ferrari, fuel measurement distortion set that caused the failure
but what do I know. If they say it is the weight of the car..... :-)

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the more it will hate those who speak it”

George Orwell

On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:

> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
> has a chance to open ?
>
> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>
> geoff

I call B******T on the double press idea.

As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
THE SAME BUTTON!

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On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
> On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:
>
>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
>> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
>> has a chance to open ?
>>
>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>>
>> geoff
>
> I call B******T on the double press idea.

Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.

>
> As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
> why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
> THE SAME BUTTON!

I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
push-on/push-off.

geoff

Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?
>>
>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>
> Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
> That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.

Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe
they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the
unreliability.

On Wed, 25 May 2022 22:32:44 +1200, geoff wrote:

> On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:
>>
>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
>>> state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even
>>> before it has a chance to open ?
>>>
>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
>>> easily.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> I call B******T on the double press idea.
>
> Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.
>
but is was a suggestion I herd during the race as well

>
>> As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
>> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
>> why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
>> THE SAME BUTTON!
>
> I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
> push-on/push-off.
>
> geoff

yes,but you would not use that sort of design for a system that you did
not want the risk of accidental switch off.
if it is designed in that way then the designer needs re-educating

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my PAJAMA POCKET??

On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
> On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:
>>
>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state
>>> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
>>> has a chance to open ?
>>>
>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>>>
>>> geoff
>>
>> I call B******T on the double press idea.
>
> Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.
>
>>
>> As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
>> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
>> why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
>> THE SAME BUTTON!
>
> I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
> push-on/push-off.

Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.

I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.

On 2022-05-25 4:37 a.m., Mark wrote:
> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it has a chance to open ?
>>>
>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>>
>> Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment, they provided Max with a lighter car.
>> That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.
>
> Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
> that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
> re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe
> they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the
> unreliability.

All it would take would be for whatever mechanism triggers the closing
of the DRS (presumably one or more sensors in the brake system) to get a
false positive; presumably by the vibrations of running over the kerbs.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 3:57:05 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> bouncy nature

you sound queer

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 3:58:19 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> presumably
> presumably

lol

On 26/05/2022 9:57 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
>>>> state
>>>> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
>>>> has a chance to open ?
>>>>
>>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very easily.
>>>>
>>>> geoff
>>>
>>> I call B******T on the double press idea.
>>
>> Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.
>>
>>>
>>> As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
>>> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
>>> why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
>>> THE SAME BUTTON!
>>
>> I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
>> push-on/push-off.
>
> Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
> CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.
>
> I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.

Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
you're not pushing it twice ?" ?

geoff

On 2022-05-25 9:52 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 26/05/2022 9:57 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-25 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 25/05/2022 9:08 pm, alister wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:01:51 +1200, geoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
>>>>> state
>>>>> of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even before it
>>>>> has a chance to open ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> geoff
>>>>
>>>> I call B******T on the double press idea.
>>>
>>> Not bullshit unless it's a statement, rather than a question.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I understood things with DRS, it opens on the press of the button &
>>>> closes when the driver first applys the breaks,
>>>> why would anyone design a system where it could be manually closed WITH
>>>> THE SAME BUTTON!
>>>
>>> I actually don't know wrt DRS, but plenty of other things are
>>> push-on/push-off.
>>
>> Yes... ...but given the bouncy nature of a racing cockpit, making the
>> CHOICE to do it that way would be really dumb.
>>
>> I don't think Adrian Newey, or anyone on his team is that dumb.
>
> Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
> you're not pushing it twice ?" ?

I don't think so, but I'll be honest and say I'm far from certain.

I know they were telling him not to press it over and over...

....but that would suggest he knows that it can't close the DRS normall.

On Wed, 25 May 2022 14:58:17 -0700, Alan wrote:

> On 2022-05-25 4:37 a.m., Mark wrote:
>> Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/24/22 23:01, geoff wrote:
>>>> Could it have been simply him pressing frantically in his elevated
>>>> state of mind, double-pressing it, closing it prematurely or even
>>>> before it has a chance to open ?
>>>>
>>>> Hard to imagine, but he does appear to get really 'het up' very
>>>> easily.
>>>
>>> Well I heard some ""explanation"" something about equal treatment,
>>> they provided Max with a lighter car.
>>> That??? somehow caused the DRS problem.
>>
>> Related to this, I read a piece (referencing Scarbs) which suggested
>> that in their quest to slim down, the DRS mechanism had been
>> re-engineered to reduce its complexity and (hence) weight. They believe
>> they've simply got the tolerances wrong, and that is what led to the
>> unreliability.
>
> All it would take would be for whatever mechanism triggers the closing
> of the DRS (presumably one or more sensors in the brake system) to get a
> false positive; presumably by the vibrations of running over the kerbs.

That is certainly more plausible than the 2nd button push theory & would
indicate that there is insufficient debouncing in the sensor circuit (a
term all electronics firmware engineers working with switches should be
aware of)

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-- Bill Peterson, former Houston Oiler football coach

In article <YNqdnRd8WYLmmhL_nZ2dnUU7-YGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
> Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
> you're not pushing it twice ?" ?
>
>

Lap 21

Lambiase Max I think you may have closed it last time around.
Verstappen Because I?m pressing it 50 fucking times before it opens.
Lambiase Just try one button press after the kerb.

--
Alan LeHun

Alan LeHun <try@reply.to> wrote:
> In article <YNqdnRd8WYLmmhL_nZ2dnUU7-YGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
>> Did I hear team radio asking something to the effect of "Are you sure
>> you're not pushing it twice ?" ?
>
> Lap 21
>
> Lambiase Max I think you may have closed it last time around.
> Verstappen Because I?m pressing it 50 fucking times before it opens.
> Lambiase Just try one button press after the kerb.

That sounds as though they are concerned that the repeated pushing is
confusing the logic. It wouldn't shock me if the system was designed to
filter out electrical noise and could misinterpret multiple quick
presses - particularly if the signal was weak - as an error not an
instruction.

I can't explain the closing comment. Like someone else said, I am sure
they're designed to open when the button is pressed and close when the
brake is applied.

Only the team will know, though.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:51:30 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

> I'll be honest

Thank you for being honest.
Are you going to be alright?
You fucking idiot.