On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>
>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>
>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>> but I don't.
>>>
>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>> for them?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>
>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>
>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>
>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>
>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>
>>> How, you say?
>>>
>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>
>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>> getting into those cars.
>
>I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>
>Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.

Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.

On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>
>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>
>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>> for them?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>
>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>
>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>
>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>
>>>> How, you say?
>>>>
>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>
>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>> getting into those cars.
>>
>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>
>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>
> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.

Dude, seriously?

How hard is it to know that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
the steering wheel you get...

....and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
for Yuki Tsunoda...

....who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?

How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
their height than men's hips...

....men are generally larger overall?

If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:

Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"

Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"

<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>

So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?

The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:

That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"

And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.

And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.

This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.

I don't know better than everyone...

....but I clearly did what you did not:

THINK ABOUT IT!

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>> for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>
>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>
>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>
>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>
>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>
>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>
>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>
>Dude, seriously?
>
>How hard is it to know

Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
of Jamie Chadwick.

>that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>the steering wheel you get...
>
>...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>for Yuki Tsunoda...
>
>...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>
>
>How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>their height than men's hips...
>
>...men are generally larger overall?
>
>If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>
>Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>
>Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>
><https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>
>So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>
>The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>
>That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>
>And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>
>And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>
>This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>
>I don't know better than everyone...
>
>...but I clearly did what you did not:
>
>THINK ABOUT IT!

On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>
>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>
>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>
>> Dude, seriously?
>>
>> How hard is it to know
>
> Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
> of Jamie Chadwick.

Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?

>
>
>> that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>> the steering wheel you get...
>>
>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>
>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>
>>
>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>> their height than men's hips...
>>
>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>
>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>
>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>
>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>
>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>
>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>
>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>
>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>
>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>
>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>
>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>
>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>
>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>
>> THINK ABOUT IT!

You simply ignored all this, huh?

The difference in hip width between males and females of the same height
is less than ONE PERCENT.

And Yuki Tsunoda is the SAME HEIGHT as Jamie Chadwick.

You're committing a classic error of logic by assuming that her success
as a racer makes her particularly knowledgeable about ergonomics...

....and you're doing so in the face of actual data that contradicts her
claims.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:26:01 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>>
>>> Dude, seriously?
>>>
>>> How hard is it to know
>>
>> Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
>> of Jamie Chadwick.
>
>Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?

Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?

>
>>
>>
>>> that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>>> the steering wheel you get...
>>>
>>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>>
>>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>>
>>>
>>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>>> their height than men's hips...
>>>
>>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>>
>>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>>
>>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>>
>>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>>
>>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>>
>>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>>
>>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>>
>>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>>
>>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>>
>>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>>
>>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>>
>>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>>
>>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>>
>>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>
>You simply ignored all this, huh?

Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
impressed the second time.

>
>The difference in hip width between males and females of the same height
>is less than ONE PERCENT.
>
>And Yuki Tsunoda is the SAME HEIGHT as Jamie Chadwick.
>
>You're committing a classic error of logic by assuming that her success
>as a racer makes her particularly knowledgeable about ergonomics...

And you are committing the classic offence commonly known as the
Kruger Dunning effect.

>
>...and you're doing so in the face of actual data that contradicts her
>claims.

On 2022-11-30 14:08, Martin Harran wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:26:01 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>>>
>>>> Dude, seriously?
>>>>
>>>> How hard is it to know
>>>
>>> Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
>>> of Jamie Chadwick.
>>
>> Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
>
> Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?

Compared to JUST LOOKING UP THE FACTS.

You're the one claiming her statements are smarter than the facts.

>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>>>> the steering wheel you get...
>>>>
>>>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>>>
>>>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>>>> their height than men's hips...
>>>>
>>>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>>>
>>>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>>>
>>>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>>>
>>>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>>>
>>>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>>>
>>>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>>>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>>>
>>>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>>>
>>>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>>>
>>>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>>>
>>>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>>>
>>>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>>>
>>>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>>
>> You simply ignored all this, huh?
>
> Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
> impressed the second time.

And yet you cannot refute a word of it.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 3:14:31 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> And yet you cannot refute a word of it.

you trolling pussy
fuck off back to rec.sport.golf

On 1/12/2022 4:57 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>
>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>
>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>> but I don't.
>>>
>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>> for them?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>
>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>
>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>
>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>
>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>
>>> How, you say?
>>>
>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>
>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>> getting into those cars.
>
> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>
> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.

No, same height. That's different.

geoff

On 1/12/2022 6:13 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
>>>>> systems.
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
>>>>> redesigned
>>>>> for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the
>>>>> pedals
>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>
>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the
>>>>> pedals can
>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
>>>>> identical
>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
>>>>> women's
>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>
>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>
>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>
>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>
>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>
>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>
>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>
> Dude, seriously?
>
> How hard is it to know that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
> the steering wheel you get...
>
> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>
> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>
>
> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
> their height than men's hips...
>
> ...men are generally larger overall?
>
> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>
> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>
> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>
> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>
> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>
> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>
> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>
> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>
> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>
> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world
> know.
>
> I don't know better than everyone...
>
> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>
> THINK ABOUT IT!

Think harder. Tits can also get in the way. But I guess you dwell more
on the likes of Gasly's (etc) hips rather than females' tits.

geoff

On 2022-11-30 16:49, geoff wrote:
> On 1/12/2022 4:57 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>
>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>
>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>
>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
>>>> systems.
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
>>>> redesigned
>>>> for them?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>
>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>
>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals
>>>> can
>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>
>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>
>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
>>>> identical
>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
>>>> women's
>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>
>>>> How, you say?
>>>>
>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>
>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>> getting into those cars.
>>
>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>
>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>
> No, same height. That's different.

You think that makes her hands a significantly different size, sunshine?

Tsunoda is 5'3" and that's 1st percentile for males.

Chadwick is 5'3" and that's 35th percentile for females.

The 1st percentile for male hand length is 6.8"

The 35th percentile for female hands is 6.95"

I'll say it again:

This information is easily found.

<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>

Are there differences in proportion between men and women of the same
height?

Obviously.

Are they large enough to matter?

Nope.

On 2022-11-30 16:54, geoff wrote:
> On 1/12/2022 6:13 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be
>>>>>> redesigned
>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the
>>>>>> pedals
>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the
>>>>>> pedals can
>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to
>>>>>> manage
>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all
>>>>>> identical
>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because
>>>>>> women's
>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>
>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>
>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>
>> Dude, seriously?
>>
>> How hard is it to know that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you
>> get the steering wheel you get...
>>
>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would
>> work for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>
>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>
>>
>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation
>> to their height than men's hips...
>>
>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>
>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>
>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>
>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>
>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>
>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>
>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>
>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>
>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>
>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>
>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world
>> know.
>>
>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>
>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>
>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>
> Think harder. Tits can also get in the way. But I guess you dwell more
> on the likes of Gasly's (etc) hips rather than females' tits.

Suddenly you're relying on something that Chadwick doesn't even mention.

Her arguments are nonsense, Geoff.

They're easily shown to be nonsense.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 14:14:28 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-11-30 14:08, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 11:26:01 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-11-30 11:00, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 09:13:46 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-11-30 08:26, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 07:57:31 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-11-30 04:25, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:36:25 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-11-29 11:20, bra wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know a few women racing drivers and I think they'd call most of
>>>>>>>>>>> that Chadwick said nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "plane angles" at which arms and legs operate? Please.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pedal pivot heights are at the floor, and I'm sure every F1 team
>>>>>>>>>>> places the footpad ON the pedal at varying height depending on the
>>>>>>>>>>> preferences of their individual driver.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, I'd like to see where she is supposed to have said any of
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was printed, and though she is wrong in your view, it was said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK. If that's true WHERE was it said?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, seriously?
>>>>>
>>>>> How hard is it to know
>>>>
>>>> Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
>>>> of Jamie Chadwick.
>>>
>>> Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
>>
>> Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?
>
>Compared to JUST LOOKING UP THE FACTS.

Your opinions are not necessarily facts especially when have
previously shown that you are happy to source stuff from the Daily
Mail. I'm not interested enough in the subject to do in-depth research
just to perpetuate one of your silly arguments; regarding the physical
problems for a woman in an F1 car, I'm quite happy to accept the
judgement of a woman who has won international championships at senior
level and has been a development drive for an F1 team against the
opinion of a man whose only experience has been at club level.

>
>You're the one claiming her statements are smarter than the facts.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>>>>> the steering wheel you get...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>>>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>>>>> their height than men's hips...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>>>>
>>>>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>>>>
>>>>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>>>>
>>>>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>>>>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>>>>
>>>>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>>>>
>>>>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>>>>
>>>>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>
>>> You simply ignored all this, huh?
>>
>> Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
>> impressed the second time.
>
>And yet you cannot refute a word of it.

I'm not particularly interested in debating your hypothetical
calculations based on rough approximations. I'm happy to accept the
judgement of someone who has actually been there and done it.

On 2022-12-02 05:40, Martin Harran wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly most successful sports coaches now recognize and work with
>>>>>>>>>>> the the differences between men's and women's muscular and skeletal
>>>>>>>>>>> formation. I frequently wish I noted and saved and cited everything,
>>>>>>>>>>> but I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are differences between men's and women's musculoskeletal systems.
>>>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are those differences large enough to require an F1 car to be redesigned
>>>>>>>>>> for them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I found some of her quotes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'How can we make sure there are no restrictions on how close the pedals
>>>>>>>>>> are so you can get the right leverage?'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There aren't any. There are restrictions on how far AHEAD the pedals can
>>>>>>>>>> be placed for safety, but there is no restriction on how far back the
>>>>>>>>>> pedals can be placed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunonda and Jamie Chadwick are both 5'3" and they seem to manage
>>>>>>>>>> to put the pedals where he can reach them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In Formula Two and Formula Three, the steering wheels are all identical
>>>>>>>>>> and they have a thick grip. How can we make them thinner because women's
>>>>>>>>>> hands are not necessarily that big?"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How, you say?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about because every F1 steering wheel is a bespoke piece, not an
>>>>>>>>>> identical piece in an identical car?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again, Alan knows better than the woman who has been a champion
>>>>>>>>> racing driver at a senior level and is the best placed woman to be
>>>>>>>>> getting into those cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I "know better" than obvious bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yuki Tsunoda and she are the SAME SIZE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, as I said, Alan knows best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dude, seriously?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How hard is it to know
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly too hard for somebody with the track record (no pun intended)
>>>>> of Jamie Chadwick.
>>>>
>>>> Why would her track record make her any kind of expert on physiology?
>>>
>>> Compared to you who are an expert on physiology?
>>
>> Compared to JUST LOOKING UP THE FACTS.
>
> Your opinions are not necessarily facts especially when have
> previously shown that you are happy to source stuff from the Daily
> Mail. I'm not interested enough in the subject to do in-depth research
> just to perpetuate one of your silly arguments; regarding the physical
> problems for a woman in an F1 car, I'm quite happy to accept the
> judgement of a woman who has won international championships at senior
> level and has been a development drive for an F1 team against the
> opinion of a man whose only experience has been at club level.

Dude:

I provided a REFERENCE from The Ergonomics Center of North Caroline
State University:

<https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>

<https://www.ergocenter.ncsu.edu>

>
>>
>> You're the one claiming her statements are smarter than the facts.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> that F2 and F3 cars are one-design and so you get
>>>>>> the steering wheel you get...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and that somehow Alpha Tauri managed to build a wheel that would work
>>>>>> for Yuki Tsunoda...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...who is no taller than Jamie Chadwick?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How hard is it to know that while women's hips are larger in relation to
>>>>>> their height than men's hips...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...men are generally larger overall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's not sufficient argument simply based on logic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Women's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.41"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Men's 85th percentile hip breadth: 14.28"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://multisite.eos.ncsu.edu/www-ergocenter-ncsu-edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/18/2016/06/Anthropometric-Detailed-Data-Tables.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you really think that 0.13" is going to be a problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>>>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>>>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>>>>>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>>
>>>> You simply ignored all this, huh?
>>>
>>> Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
>>> impressed the second time.
>>
>> And yet you cannot refute a word of it.
>
> I'm not particularly interested in debating your hypothetical
> calculations based on rough approximations. I'm happy to accept the
> judgement of someone who has actually been there and done it.

Again:

Jamie Chadwick and Yuki Tsunoda are the SAME SIZE.

If anything, males of his size have smaller hands that women of the same
size and somehow they've managed to make a steering wheel he can use.

Just as an example.

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:49:14 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Dude:

Hey Pencil Neck
Dude someone to their face and get your ass handed to you.
You fucking dumb cunt.

On 2022-12-02 05:40, Martin Harran wrote:
>>>>>> The tallest F1 drivers this year were Alex Albon, George Russsell,
>>>>>> Estaban Ocon, and Nicolas Latifi, all at 6'1" tall. That's somewhere
>>>>>> between the 90th and 95th percentiles for height. So for a rough
>>>>>> approximation, their hip measurements would be in that area too:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's something greater than 14.5" and 14.82"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And somehow, they manage to fit those hips into an F1 cockpit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And those numbers are above the 98th percentile for women.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not some secret of driving that only a few people in the world know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know better than everyone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...but I clearly did what you did not:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THINK ABOUT IT!
>>>> You simply ignored all this, huh?
>>> Wasn't impressed with it the first time around, was even less
>>> impressed the second time.
>> And yet you cannot refute a word of it.
> I'm not particularly interested in debating your hypothetical
> calculations based on rough approximations. I'm happy to accept the
> judgement of someone who has actually been there and done it.

Even when she contradicts herself:

"Jamie Chadwick: Physically nothing limits women from succeeding in F1 –
it’s not sprinting"

<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jamie-chadwick-physically-nothing-limits-women-from-succeeding-in-f1-its-not-sprinting-q6gsb59lz>

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 12:52:51 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Even when she contradicts herself:

fuck off